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True Initiate
10-04-2009, 02:05 AM
Early this year i came into possesion of two sets of documents that shoved in detail the Roger's Caro way to the stone.The documents were the possesion of one of his pupils and are not mented to be exposed or printed to the public... until now!

Many know Roger Caro's (Kamala Jnana) work from his famous "The Complete Great Work Photographed" which is the only book where the great work is photographed from beginning to an end.Which you can find here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/caro/caro.htm

Unfortunately the master himself has concealed the preparation of the "secret fire" and many alchemist, including Rubellus Petrinus have greatly erred because of this fact.

Rubellus Petrinus has tried the work twice with the native materials but he failed badly and he was even unable to separate the Red Dragon (Cinnabar) into his prima materia, the very first operation because of the lack of knowledge of the right measures and the canonical preparation of the "secret fire".
After i have sent him these documents he said he will try it again in the Spring(it was February) and inform me how it goes...and that was the last what i heard of him.
Soon after his website http://rubelluspetrinus.com.sapo.pt/alquimia.htm and few others like http://pwp.netcabo.pt/r.petrinus went offline.

Now for the first time ever here is the detailed explanation from the first set of document's how to make the famous "secret fire" and the Roger's Caro stone!

First Part:

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Commetar from Jean de Clairefontaine:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/chrysopee/caro/apocalypse.htm

True Puffer

solomon levi
10-04-2009, 07:32 AM
Wow. Thank you. Very interesting.

The Sacerdotal path looks incredibly simple.
Only question, the vessel must be open the whole time??
Otherwise how to add the salt during albification?
If open, the oil of saturn does not escape??


The whole method, wet or dry, and its materials, is basically utilizing
the liver of sulphur to fix and congeal mercury into the white stone.

Thanks again.

True Initiate
10-04-2009, 07:53 AM
That are two questions!

No the vessel does not stays open all the time(look at the pictures carefully).
I will post in a few days the original, unedited pictures that are not included in the Roger Caro's book(he has modified them to conceal this secret) which are shoving the wholle flask together with the top and you can clearly see when it is open or closed.

The most difficult part of the work is to got the citrine colour in the separation phase instead of redish colour, that's why i have contacted Rubellus because he had natives materials(unlike me) but he had troubles with the separation (just like me) so i thought these documents will help us to pass the Solve phase(separation of the Red dragon) which is the first crucial step of the process.

Here is the second part of the document's which in my opinion are the crowning jewel of this collection.Here the author explains "scientifically" how the transmutation actually happens.


Second part:

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memphis_mizraim
10-04-2009, 09:38 AM
no he is alive and well, running the alchemical guild forum

True Initiate
10-04-2009, 09:46 AM
Can you give me the the link to this forum?

memphis_mizraim
10-04-2009, 10:05 AM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlchemyGuild/

I did this work and had good results up to the green stage. You need plenty of good Sun light.
I know many who followed this Path but I know no-one who ever succeeded with this way even very close students of Caro.

True Initiate
10-04-2009, 10:15 AM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlchemyGuild/

I did this work and had good results up to the green stage. You need plenty of good Sun light.
I know many who followed this Path but I know no-one who ever succeeded with this way even very close students of Caro.

That's great news.
Yeah the master Caro has concealed a great deal about this path.

Well can you tell us more about the steps that you took?
Solomon asked in which stages the flask must be open or closed?
My question is did you work with native or industrial ore's?

memphis_mizraim
10-04-2009, 10:27 AM
I worked with native material, this is very important. The secret fire I got from the inner circle of Roger Caro.
Many things are not given in the books of Caro. Some advanced students have produced very detailed manuscripts of the complete process used by the F.A.R.C

True Initiate
10-04-2009, 10:36 AM
That's why i am posting this documents.

memphis_mizraim
10-04-2009, 10:52 AM
I have seen a manuscript with nearly one hundred pages very clear instructions.

Opus Magnum
10-04-2009, 10:53 AM
Hello. I'm new at alchemy, so can you explain me what is "secret fire" and Caro's stone?

memphis_mizraim
10-04-2009, 10:59 AM
The path of the Caro Stone uses Cinnabar.

Opus Magnum
10-04-2009, 11:03 AM
I have seen a manuscript with nearly one hundred pages very clear instructions.

Where have you seen it?

memphis_mizraim
10-04-2009, 11:08 AM
In a private collection.

True Initiate
10-04-2009, 11:13 AM
Hello. I'm new at alchemy, so can you explain me what is "secret fire" and Caro's stone?

Secret fire is the agent that you need to separate the Red Dragon into it's prima materia but if you are new to the alchemy don't try this path it is too dangerous to handle.

For the beggining choose for example the solomon levi's "The quintessence of honey" path which can be very beautiful.

P.S.
Please don't turn this thread into a chit-chat spam-thread by posting nonsense.I am planing to update this thread very soon with other material that i have in my "private" collection.


True Puffer

Opus Magnum
10-04-2009, 11:23 AM
Secret fire is the agent that you need to separate the Red Dragon into it's prima materia but if you are new to the alchemy don't try this path it is too dangerous to handle.

For the beggining choose for example the solomon levi's "The quintessence of honey" path which can be very beautiful.

P.S.
Please don't turn this thread into a chit-chat spam-thread by posting nonsense.I am planing to update this thread very soon with other material that i have in "my" private collection.


True Puffer
What is that Red Dragon?

solomon levi
10-04-2009, 11:28 AM
Hello. I'm new at alchemy, so can you explain me what is "secret fire" and Caro's stone?

:D
The secret fire is a secret! The secret fire is the fire that "cooks" a truly
alchemical work; it is not common fire/flames.
According to this document, the secret fire is provided by the alkalis
calcium oxide and potassium carbonate. As it tells you, when mixed with
water these produce potassium hydroxide, which is just like sodium hydroxide
(lye), only in alchemy sodium salts are designated to the animal kingdom
and potassium salts are determined to the plant kingdom.
As you probably know, hydroxides like lye produce a lot of heat when
water is added to them, like with crystal drain openers. So you have heat/
fire coming out of a "stone".

The highest attainment in alchemy is the creation of the Philosophers'
Stone. That stone is in the mineral kingdom. There is a white stone from
silver and the red stone from gold which is the true Philosophers' stone, although in certain paths the red is merely a continued coction/solve-coagula
of the white. Anyway, there are plant stones and animal stones, a stone
from urine, etc. And in the mineral kingdom there is more than one path to
the stone. So Caro's stone is the path that Caro developed or was taught
to get to the Stone - also known as the Cinnabar Path. Though there is probably
more than one path with cinnabar. ;)

True Initiate
10-04-2009, 11:38 AM
Thank's Solomon, well spoken.

Opus Magnum
10-04-2009, 11:38 AM
:D
The secret fire is a secret! The secret fire is the fire that "cooks" a truly
alchemical work; it is not common fire/flames.
According to this document, the secret fire is provided by the alkalis
calcium oxide and potassium carbonate. As it tells you, when mixed with
water these produce potassium hydroxide, which is just like sodium hydroxide
(lye), only in alchemy sodium salts are designated to the animal kingdom
and potassium salts are determined to the plant kingdom.
As you probably know, hydroxides like lye produce a lot of heat when
water is added to them, like with crystal drain openers. So you have heat/
fire coming out of a "stone".

The highest attainment in alchemy is the creation of the Philosophers'
Stone. That stone is in the mineral kingdom. There is a white stone from
silver and the red stone from gold which is the true Philosophers' stone, although in certain paths the red is merely a continued coction/solve-coagula
of the white. Anyway, there are plant stones and animal stones, a stone
from urine, etc. And in the mineral kingdom there is more than one path to
the stone. So Caro's stone is the path that Caro developed or was taught
to get to the Stone - also known as the Cinnabar Path. Though there is probably
more than one path with cinnabar. ;)

Oh, thank you for a such detailed answer :) Just one more question. Is Red Dragon the Philosopher's Stone?

solomon levi
10-04-2009, 11:38 AM
What is that Red Dragon?

:D
In this case, cinnabar.
But Puffer's right. Don't try this if you're new to alchemy.
Cinnabar is mercuric sulphide. Mercury fumes are very toxic.
Even hydrogen sulphide gas can hurt you if you don't know what you're doing. And potassium hydroxide can burn you or put out an eye...
You should learn more about these materials before engaging such work.

You can look into an alchemical dictionary as well. There are some online.
You can find one here:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=103

Welcome to the Great Work! There's much reading to do before you
begin to find your way.

Opus Magnum
10-04-2009, 11:44 AM
Thank You :) You're so friendly :)

solomon levi
10-04-2009, 11:44 AM
Oh, thank you for a such detailed answer :) Just one more question. Is Red Dragon the Philosopher's Stone?

No. The red dragon is the Secunda Materia. That is, the matter from
which we can draw our Prima Materia.
In alchemy words are very tricky.
For example, the Prima Materia is the beginning of the work, yet the
Materia Prima is the end of the work - the Philosophers' Stone.
Or do I have them switched around? :confused:


You're very welcome.
solomon

Ghislain
10-04-2009, 11:41 PM
Where can one get Cinnabar?

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 05:16 AM
It depends where you live.

Rubellus bought it directly from the mine workers in Spain and Portugal.

http://img241.imagevenue.com/loc524/th_21941_cinabre-new_122_524lo.jpg (http://img241.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=21941_cinabre-new_122_524lo.jpg)

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 05:28 AM
Here is the second part of the document's which in my opinion are the crowning jewel of this collection.Here the author explains "scientifically" how the transmutation actually happens.



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P.S. I got some complaints why this document's are in French?!
Well i thought that everybody already knew about language translators on Google and other places by now.
Nicholas Flamel has travelled to Spain to translate the "Abraham the Jew" plates and all you need to do is to go to Google!

But ok i will try to translate this but it will take me some time to do it.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 07:36 AM
If you want to work the Caro's Way with these texts ... good luck.

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 07:41 AM
:confused:

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 07:43 AM
I think many will find it very helpful to pay a professional translator to get this into their native language.

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 07:52 AM
Wow, you guys are really of great help.

I will extract more information from this stony statue in Notre Dame than from both of you.

http://img256.imagevenue.com/loc385/th_29036_notre-dame-picture-4_122_385lo.jpg (http://img256.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29036_notre-dame-picture-4_122_385lo.jpg)

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 08:03 AM
Very much appreciated posting this information. Document is different from what I have seen.
As I mentioned I got to the stage where I cut the head of the Crow an had the red liquid which if you leave standing separates into two liquids.

A beautiful golden slightly sticky liquid. So I know it works up to that stage.

The problem I have heard is you can make a stone which is black in color with red granules all over it and saturated within it with these granules which look like shotgun powder grains.
I have seen this stone myself.
Many other report it only would make 18 caret gold and I have also seen this gold.
Perhaps next spring I will try again weather permitting. You need just the sun to make the colours happen quickly.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 09:15 AM
In Cinnabar way the sun is a myth !

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 09:19 AM
In Cinnabar way the sun is a myth !

Not sure what you mean "In cinnabar way the sun is a myth" Certainly you need the sun in caro's way. I know I done this this and anyone who ever worked with this method will tell you the same.

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 09:20 AM
That is what i'm calling sharing!:D

Thanks Salazius for the tip.I noticed that in the pictures there is nowhere Sun or Sunlight to be seen except for "our" Sun.
I will post the pictures very soon.

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 09:21 AM
Not sure what you mean "In cinnabar way the sun is a myth" Certainly you need the sun in caro's way. I know I done this this and anyone who ever worked with this method will tell you the same.

Maybe that's why everybody has erred. :D

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 09:31 AM
In the books or documents of Caro somewhere it shows a picture of a lens with the sun shining on the glass.
I must check this out again.
I was always told that to get a really good black color you need very good sunlight otherwise it will only go a grey color.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 01:24 PM
Cinnabar Way as I know and practice it needs absolutely no physical sun at all. You could do it perfectly in the polar circle during the 6 month of deep night ...

It is maybe said that the Black only comes with an exposition with sunlight, but in fact, the Sun in question is philosophical. It's igneous rays burn the entire earth and the inner Mercury, by it's nature, give the possibility for a putrefaction.

Philosophical months are also for the non initiated seekers, we don't need to count phi.month !

And open or closed vessel is also for leading to a dead end the student. All these things are illogical and not applicable in practice.

The Opus is enough complicated even without all these things...

Even reading Caro's books cannot give a good hint of the Opus.

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Interesting about the sun aspect Salazius doing caro's work. I used it to get the black stage which worked very quickly.
I then cut the head of the crow and when I tried the green stage nothing happened. I had the flask open but by then the weather had changed.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 01:47 PM
Yes, for the Green, there is a key. And it's not in the Sun.
See what say Fulcanelli about the Black Virgin procession with green candles.

Know that there is not only one black, not only one green, nor only one "white" or "red", but severals during this Opus.

Good luck.

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 02:32 PM
Yes, Salazius is right.

Cinnabar is a (sun)light sensitive mineral who turns black when exposed to direct sunlight but that is by far away not a "true"putrefaction and probably the flowers of the Sulphur are burned in the process.

Now i understand how did you manage to arrive to the "black" stage. :D

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 02:58 PM
Here is what Jean de Clairefontaine has to say about this:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/chrysopee/caro/apocalypse.htm

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 03:24 PM
I thank you for that and I will read up on this over the coming days. I have friends as I said completed the work.
The beard of the Eternal I have seen and its impact on the container. The problem is the stone does not work properly.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 03:34 PM
Cinnabar Way need a perfect understanding of the regimen of fire, there are 5 levels of fire in the Opus. In order to have the black you need 3 of them. These fires are secrets. Caro speak only of two of them if i remember well.

What do you mean by "the stone does not work properly." ?

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 03:42 PM
He speaks of the energetic 5th fire as well and afterwards you have deluge. To get the black stage you must use these fires.
You will hear a strange sound which he's calls the death of the swan. I have heard this. When you do this work it feels you are working with a living entity and the dreams are very interesting.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 03:48 PM
I never heard any sound during this Opus.
In my work, you make the Flood, after a moment you use the 5th fire, and then you have the Blackness.

Yes dreams and visions also for the most sensitive of us.

Cinnabar Way is an Indian Alchemical Way, symbols are linked with the Hindu pantheon in my understanding.

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 03:55 PM
It's really the gases that cause this sound but somehow it got this name. "Death of the Swan"

Salazius
10-05-2009, 03:59 PM
Frankly, I never got gases in my flasks ... because there is no fermentation or production of gases in what I done.

True Initiate
10-05-2009, 04:11 PM
In my work, you make the Flood, after a moment you use the 5th fire, and then you have the Blackness.


What was your 5th fire exatly?

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 04:21 PM
Frankly, I never got gases in my flasks ... because there is no fermentation or production of gases in what I done.

Something inside makes a sound I presumed it must be the combinations of activity within the sealed flask.

Salazius
10-05-2009, 04:24 PM
Okay interesting.

5th Fire : an energetic fire, operated by the Alchemist himself.

memphis_mizraim
10-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Okay interesting.

5th Fire : an energetic fire, operated by the Alchemist himself.

That's it to the point. Well put.

solomon levi
10-09-2009, 02:18 AM
Here's a source for cinnabar.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=powdered+cinnabar&_sacat=See-All-Categories

pierre
10-23-2009, 08:21 PM
Hi, everyone.

Something about Roger Caro`s path in the Rubellus website:

http://www.tpissarro.com/alquimia/alchemy-e.htm
Pierre.

True Initiate
10-23-2009, 08:57 PM
Nice to see you again Pierre.
I already thought you have completed the great work and dissapeared.

pierre
10-24-2009, 02:11 PM
¡Mmmm...!

There are fish that do not get caught so easily.

Don`t you think? ;)

Ghislain
10-25-2009, 08:22 AM
Reading and reading I get snippets of realisation then read on to find contradiction.

I am a jack of all but master of none.

Should I focus?

Should one align one's self with a particular path ignoring all others?

Should one start a journey without the skills needed to complete it or start
anyway and gather the skills along the way?

These are just a few of the questions I ask myself.

There are far too many text to read in one's lifetime, there are puffers along the way who would sap and corrupt that valuable time...present company excluded TP ;)
Which text to follow?

To answer this question myself, I think I should focus and travel the one path and so I will choose this one and try to see it to the end.

If this is not wise please feel free to let me know :D

Ghislain.

pierre
10-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Hi Ghislain, please allow me a few words.

No one is master of none. We all are our own masters.

Do not follow any specific text or author, just follow your heart. Then, studies the principles of this science. They will lead you for the right path, at the right time.

And be very, very patient, my friend.
Greetings.:)

Ghislain
10-25-2009, 09:46 PM
Thanks for the wise words Pierre :)

orangelmx
10-25-2009, 10:50 PM
Very nice thread True Puffer, you have started. :)

orangelmx
10-26-2009, 03:38 AM
Hi Ghislain, please allow me a few words.

No one is master of none. We all are our own masters....

Let me add something to this... there are many that think that they are, but are far from being masters of themselves, to be master of one's energy is the true path, the final goal, a path that very few conquer in the millions and millions of souls across time...

Good luck to all. :)

PS
Including myself.

Theris
05-10-2010, 03:53 PM
Roger Caro & Kamala-Jnana describes a concentrated solution of a mixture of lime and potash

Does anyone know the exact concentration of this?

Any help would be appreciated.

Kind Regards

Theris

solomon levi
05-11-2010, 07:01 PM
Greetings Theris

It said 2 parts potassium carbonate and 1 part calcium oxide.

sol

Theris
05-11-2010, 08:54 PM
Sol,

Thank you I'm indebted to you. I could never find an answer to this.

Kind Regards

Theris

LeoRetilus
05-11-2010, 09:36 PM
Roger Caro & Kamala-Jnana describes a concentrated solution of a mixture of lime and potash



The correct mixture is slaked lime and potash derived from green oak wood ashes, the mixture yields potassium hydroxide or caustic potash :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_hydroxide

"Historically KOH was made by boiling a solution of potassium carbonate (potash) with calcium hydroxide (slaked lime), leading to a metathesis reaction which caused calcium carbonate to precipitate, leaving potassium hydroxide in solution:

Ca(OH)2 + K2CO3 → CaCO3 + 2 KOH

Filtering off the precipitated calcium carbonate and boiling down the solution gives potassium hydroxide ("calcinated or caustic potash"). This method used potash extracted from wood ashes using slaked lime. "

Also a very good synopsis of this method was given here:

http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aa7hgau.htm

(3) Roger Caro & Kamala-Jnana

The French alchemical school of the Temple of Ajunta published a few small hermetic texts (Pleiade Alchimique, Concordances Alchimiques, etc) in the 1960s. The Complete Great Work Photographed includes 40 photographs of the Ars Magna as it was performed by Kamala-Jnana and Roger Caro.

The method is described in classical alchemical language, but most of the materials and methods are clearly described. Mercury was used to produce a species of Philosophers' Stone. The process can be described in chemical terms as follows: Prepare (1) b-meta-cinnabarite (a-cinnabarite will not produce the same results, in my experience), (2) a concentrated solution of a mixture of lime and potash and (3) sulfureted potash (potassium polysulfide). Saturate the cinnabarite with the lime-potash mixture solution, then dry it. Repeat several times until albedo appears. Then saturate with a concentrated solution of potassium polysulfide, and strip the solvent (methyl or ethyl alcohol also can be used). Repeat this step until white needles appear (the Dragon's Teeth). The color changes from yellow to orange to red. The Stone is multiplied by grinding it to powder and repeating (7x) the wash with lime-potash. At this point, the Stone emits lights --- probably from the calcium sulfide byproduct of the reaction mixture. Further elaboration and transmutation of lead to gold can be accomplished according to the skill of the Artist. "

Here are four courses that have ultimately for their subject The Cinnabar Path although not plainly set out, but a serious student of the art can quickly deduce the matter by the pictures they give and the hints they devulge.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7755228/ALCHEMY-COURSE-1


http://www.scribd.com/doc/8211974/COURSE-OF-ALCHEMY-VIA-HUMID-CLASSIC-Didactic-Unit-2

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15712659/COURSE-OF-ALCHEMY-Unit-3-Via-Humid-Classic

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19343936/COURSE-OF-ALCHEMY-Via-Humid-Clasic-4

For instance in Unit 2 they say the secret fire is:

"We are going, then, to try to determine the fundamental matter that constitutes the
Secret Fire :
It is our KAOS (and here should be necessary to pay attention to the phonetic of
the name that locks in itself the key of its knowledge...), it called by many
philosophers "Primordial Agent", the "Great Alkaest", "the teeth of the wolf"
(due to its form of needles, when it crystallizes), the "Secret Agent", "the
Poison", "the Snake". It is also the "Green Lion" (not because its color is green,
but because it has been compared to a scathing and green fruit by opposition to a
mature and red fruit) and, also, because it has its origin in the green oak. Its vulgar
name and the family to which it belongs have the same meaning, only the first one
comes from German and Arabic's second, but both they refer to the ash.

Its density is of 2,04, its crystals are white, with a vitreous, fragile reflection,
fusible at 360º, volatile to the red and soluble in water with detachment of heat."

...it is very easy to deduce from these clues , one the anagram KAOS and two specific gravity of 2.04, that it is potassium hydroxide, as I stated above, however I"ll have to say I don't agree with any of the conclusions they have come to, ....the secret fire is not a chemical, the "green lion" isn't anything remotely close to what they think it is, chaos is used wrongly in all connotations and cinnabar is the wrong first matter, so in my opinion the whole path is for the most part... useless!!, except of course the deliquesant property of the potassium hydroxide that by its hydroscopy , attracts the true secret fire through the sealed retort and causes it to liquify, that is it is attracting a "dry" water from the ether, the philosopher's stone the more universal you will have it will be made of this water and this water alone, it alone contains spirit,soul and body, i.e. mercury, sulfur and salt philosophical and needs no other poison.

Although this path seem to be very old, it no doubt arose from the first outsiders, that is those who were not initiated, who were trying to figure out how to make the stone based on the cryptic writings of the ancients, and were the first to confuse mercury vulgar, i.e. quicksilver with mercury philosophical, a clear astral, etheric water and wrongly chose cinnabar for their first matter also because the correct one they knew based also on the teachings of the ancients should come from mines as well and they thought whatever this first mater was it should give the mercury spoken of, as sophists they could not understand that the correct "mercury" should be appearing out of nowhere as a clear "spiritual" water and not coming from the first matter necessarily although the correct one does have it in abundance and it easily springs forth by its unctousity, because as Hermes hath stated the subject of our stone, borne upon the air, and other sources say the same descends as a vapor into the earth and congeals and coagulates into the "fat" places of the earth. Thus that which is above is as that which is below, all to accomplish the miracles of the one thing.

memphis_mizraim
05-11-2010, 11:00 PM
"except of course the deliquesant property of the potassium hydroxide that by its hydroscopy , attracts the true secret fire through the sealed retort and causes it to liquify, that is it is attracting a "dry" water from the ether, the philosopher's stone the more universal you will have it will be made of this water and this water alone, it alone contains spirit,soul and body, i.e. mercury, sulfur and salt philosophical and needs no other poison."

Very true Leo except in this school they do not use a sealed retort to get the secret fire. It is put outside and it gets impregnated at night with dew and you get the Virgin Milk. This is then added to the material and then the flask is closed and a certain process takes place physically....

Theris
05-12-2010, 11:12 AM
Hi LeoRetilus

Thank You for your detailed explanation and your links. I'll have to do some more reading. However I believe , Quicklime , not slacked lime has to be kept perfectly. I know with the addition of water this is impossible but Quicklime's properties contains magnesium oxide, silicon oxide and smaller amounts of aluminium oxide and iron oxide, match up to substance properties within alchemical texts dating back hundreds of years. I have to get ready for work,so I'll quote you some later.

I thank you again for your detailed explanation and am looking forward to going over those links you've posted.

Kind Regards

Theris

Theris
05-12-2010, 11:33 AM
"except of course the deliquesant property of the potassium hydroxide that by its hydroscopy , attracts the true secret fire through the sealed retort and causes it to liquify, that is it is attracting a "dry" water from the ether, the philosopher's stone the more universal you will have it will be made of this water and this water alone, it alone contains spirit,soul and body, i.e. mercury, sulfur and salt philosophical and needs no other poison."

Very true Leo except in this school they do not use a sealed retort to get the secret fire. It is put outside and it gets impregnated at night with dew and you get the Virgin Milk. This is then added to the material and then the flask is closed and a certain process takes place physically....

Fascinating.... I wonder if performing this at different times of the night, on different parts of the globe yield the same results....

memphis_mizraim
05-13-2010, 01:32 PM
Caro's work was usually started in the Spring time and May was the preferred month to start.
The Virgins Milk was stronger and more plentiful if you had a cloudless night and a full moon.

solomon levi
05-14-2010, 11:00 PM
Sol,

Thank you I'm indebted to you. I could never find an answer to this.

Kind Regards

Theris

I'm just quoting what True puffer posted in the first post of this thread.
If you look at the second page, it's there - in french. :)

But you're most welcome!
Good luck.
sol

Solpetra
05-25-2010, 03:55 PM
I' ve seen the posts of this thread. Someone is very interesting. Thank to all.

I' m working about this Path from 1999 and I'd want to ask if someone knows if the cinnabar inside the red shell, to the red stage end, is completely fusible at very low temperature or not.

Is it possible that the cinnabar is like dark red wax or plasticine with half low temperature fusibility and half very high temperature fusibility?

Thank You to all. :)

vega33
05-25-2010, 09:02 PM
Hi LeoRetilus

Many thanks for the scribd links.

I agree that in my experience, KOH is not specifically the secret fire, although I suppose it could be used as one experimentally by making the surrounding matrix for the metal out of KOH, which releases its own fire when contacted by water. But this would disagree with the instruction that the matrix be made out of the subject itself, not to mention Pontanus' hint that the fire does not originate in matter, although it is "mineral" (probably a play on the central fire of matter, which hides beneath its surface, ie "from the mines").

Perhaps Caro could have possibly figured out a way to use the fire inherent in such material... it is, after all, a volatile metal united with gases, and it is interesting how the hydroxyl group seems to mediate the heat of the pure metal in exothermic reactions. But it would be difficult to imagine a way the secret (or hidden, inner) fire in KOH could penetrate the entirety of the flask constantly as is necessary in order to perform the metallic evolution, not to mention its adding something to the subject which needs to be removed at the end.

It seems to me though like Caro's KOH and Fulcanelli's "sulfur and potash for the X" could point the way towards a better understanding of the fire, if its not taken as literally the only manifestation of it.

LeoRetilus
05-25-2010, 10:47 PM
KOH is like many other mineral subjects that are useful to our art, is merely a magnet to attract the true secret fire from the aether, which is nowhere but everywhere at the same time, it is a negative entropy subject and being so, it manifests itsself as a paradox in more ways than one, that being as described in many manuscripts as a "dry water that does not wet the hands and also cold to the touch (salamander and remora, little fish), and dissappears if not kept bottled up tightly, and heavy, these are outrightly properties of refrigerants, thus the paradox that differs it 180 degrees from normal water and normal matter. And why a Joe Cell creates a gas that implodes instead of explodes. But KOH is a very interesting subject as it finds its uses as I have mentioned in other places in both the worlds of alchemy and free energy both of which should not be possible if we listen to modern scientific dogma. Here is a prime example: ( This is from a guide for electrolyzer plans of Patrick Kelly for replication of Stan Meyers HHO Cell, despite mentions it is not a Joe Cell but rather an HHO cell because it cracked water, although it did operate at "overunity or COP>1, coefficient of power greater than one, thus violating Faraday's Laws) The reason I am mentioning it here is because like I said the referance to KOH usage and the fact that it does not go into COP>1 or overunity until this mysterious white coating appears of which I posted a picture in the Joe Cell thread)

http://pesn.com/2007/11/29/9500461_Boyce_Electrolyzer_replications/Joe_cell_electrolyzer_plans_by_Patrick_Kelly2006.p df

"It should be noted that shiny new stainless steel is not suitable for use as an electrode in any form of electrolysis. This can be seen in Joe Cell construction where the stainless steel cylinders need to be conditioned through repeated short periods of electrolysis. The same applies to flat plate electrolysers, where Bob Boyce points out that no serious volumes of gas will be produced until the stainless steel plates have received a white coating, produced by leaving them to sit unused in the Potassium Hydroxide solution for a few days. The same applies to this replication of Stan Meyer’s electrolysis unit. When the power is first
applied, very little electrolysis takes place as the active surfaces of the pipes get covered with bubbles which stick to them. However, if they are left for a while with the bubbles in place, a brown scum forms on the surface of the water. The scum is cleaned off and another short period of electrolysis carried out to cover
the plates with bubbles again. After this process has been carried out repeatedly, the brown scum no longer forms and the active tube surfaces have a white coating. At this point, the ‘conditioned’ tubes produce the kind of rapid electrolysis shown in the video."

In a proper Joe Cell although KOH is not added, but rather the method of applying and removing the eletrical supply to the right kind of water in a particular sequence attracts the same white coating material/residue from nowhere(the aether) thus lending credence to Green Lions claim in the Philosophers Matter Thread that a white residue first appears in an empty flask which will be a magnet for what latter manifests itself as a water. The order like he stated: first a fatty looking oil, then drys to a white residue/salt, then attracts water/liquifys. In the Joe Cell /overunity HHO cells we likewise get a brown scummy looking oil that floats on the surface of the water then the appearance of a white residue/coating then wham, bamm overunity= free energy, prasied be to God for the secret fire.

asta
06-16-2010, 09:21 PM
As I understood Roger's Caro works, you don't have to proceed as explained in those images.

In the retort, you'll have to put the cinnabar in dust, the potassium carbonate (K2CO3) obtained from the oak ashes due to regualar fire (this is important, since the salt from the vegetals are alive. Best to choose oak away from the sea!) and the lime (CaO) got from a wheel (the one used to "paint" old houses). Then put a balloon in the other extreme, add water from the dew or rain to the retort and the exortermic reaction of those salts will starts, generation heat. This heat should be enought o vaporize most of the Hg present in the cinnabar. However, and this is where the most people who tries this fails, you should calculate or try to adjust bye several tests the size of the retort, the quantity of each mineral used and the water added, in order to maximize the heat production and the distilled mercury.

I did this way and after this got the filosophal salt, the the filophal sulphur and the filosophal mercury, performming the Solve. Currently, I'm at this point.

abdo
07-03-2010, 01:48 PM
I disolved sulfur in a mercury water. It dissolved like ice in a hot water. The result is a pitch oily color. I lefted in the open for one day and it start to turn to a red color and part of it to oil.
Abdo

abdo
07-11-2010, 09:04 PM
1-I liquefy koh naturally in open air.
2- I dissolved cinnabar with this water.
3-Congeal it and dissolve it many times.
4-I test part of it on high temp and it is melted like metal.
5-I put that melted part in water and it turned to an olive green color.
6-I put the other part and put it in open to liquefy.
7-It liquefied and separated to a (white to a red color) liquid and to a black to a purple color precipitate.
Any comments on the above experiment. What you suggest to do next?
Abdo

abdo
07-11-2010, 09:19 PM
I forgot to tell you that I have got a small round white material in it. Is this Albedo?
Abdo

True Initiate
10-15-2010, 09:39 PM
Here is the revelation of the word Hingula.

http://img186.imagevenue.com/loc177/th_76233_1_new_122_177lo.jpg (http://img186.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=76233_1_new_122_177lo.jpg)

True Initiate
10-16-2010, 06:56 PM
http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc95/th_54029_1_new_122_95lo.jpg (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=54029_1_new_122_95lo.jpg)

In the above picture there is a sentence that intrigued me very much.
"because the reconstruction of the ore".

What does it mean to reconstruct the ore?
I thought always that the native ore is required for the work.

Salazius
10-17-2010, 08:05 AM
"because the reconstruction of the ore".
What does it mean to reconstruct the ore?
I thought always that the native ore is required for the work.

Yes, something to meditate on...

True Initiate
10-17-2010, 08:57 AM
I guess that the native ore must be separatated into Hg and S and reconstructed in some exact quantity.

Salazius
10-17-2010, 09:02 AM
That what you guess. I can't say much since I will not teach this way here.
But this reconstruction of the ore can also be understood at another level, a philosophical one.

oratius
12-24-2010, 10:12 AM
Dear friends,

Good Morning and Merry Christmas!

I would like to pose the following question to all that have practical experience.

Following the cinnabar path, we arrive at what is called the "oil of Saturn" or "quintessence". It is a thin oil, red like wine, but with a golden hue. In volume, it is red; but when spread, its colour is golden-yellow.

I have read the posts regarding the path of sulfur, so my question is:

How do we know that this red liquid is really the quintessence and not the oil of sulfur?
How can we test the qualities / properties of this liquid?

If it is really the quintessence, what is it supposed to be able to do?
Are there any simple experiments or tests that can help?

Thank you in advance,

Oratius

Aleilius
12-24-2010, 10:28 AM
That's a good observation. It's more than that though. There's something else there. We have to remember that we're dealing with the putrefaction of quicksilver. Putrefaction releases the principles of a matter. This is the blood of the dragon. The sulphur of mercury.

You're only seeing a single perspective when it's looked at from a chemical point of view.

oratius
12-24-2010, 10:43 AM
You're only seeing a single perspective when it's looked at from a chemical point of view

I'm just a novice... I have just started practising... I believe that multidimensional vision will come along with experience. For now, I need to secure my first step, in order to be able to make the second...

:-)

Oratius

Aleilius
12-24-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm just a novice... I have just started practising... I believe that multidemensional vision will come along with experience. For now, I need to secure my first step, in order to be able to make the second...

:-)

Oratius

Hi, no need to explain yourself. You asked a good question! I've asked this question before too. :)

Salazius
12-24-2010, 11:43 AM
How do we know that this red liquid is really the quintessence and not the oil of sulfur?
How can we test the qualities / properties of this liquid?

If it is really the quintessence, what is it supposed to be able to do?
Are there any simple experiments or tests that can help?

In my opinion, the quitessence is of no real good use. It can contain some particules of mercury (metal).
The name "quintessence" is not appropriate. Since it is mostly a soluble part of cinnabar. Until this process, there is nothing "alchemical" (but not totally chemical either, I can't really say more sorry, but don't care about that, it's not important for you yet).
You know it is the proper result by the red colour in mass and golden layer left on glass.
You can put it into water, if it is yellow, then it is the QE, if black, then not.

But please, don't think it is a medicine, don't ingest !

Aleilius
12-24-2010, 11:55 AM
I think this is correct from a chemical perspective: the red liquid is composed of mixture of potassium polysulfides with a small amount solublized HgS.

oratius
12-24-2010, 12:01 PM
You can put it into water, if it is yellow, then it is the QE

Yes, just one drop in a glass of water gives a beautiful golden colour to the whole quantity of water.

I'll try to make more experiments regarding its action on metals. Accidentally, some drops fell on a silver ring I wear, and the ring acquired a golden-yellow colour. Of course, this was not a transmutation... I rubbed the ring with that substance used to keep silver items shining and the yellow colour dissapeared.

:-)

Oratius

oratius
12-24-2010, 12:14 PM
I just found out that potassium polysulfide or liver of sulfur is used to dye metals black.

:-)

Oratius

Aleilius
12-24-2010, 12:25 PM
I just found out that potassium polysulfide or liver of sulfur is used to dye metals black.

:-)

Oratius

That's the stuff.



Source: http://www.finishing.com/204/48.shtml

I can't tell you where to get "liver of sulfur", but I can shed a bit of light into what it is. There are two different materials called "liver of sulfur"; the first is calcium sulphide and is also known as a homeopathic remedy "hapar sulphuris" or "lime sulfur". This is a quite hard material and has been used in pottery and metal patinas. Apparently it looks a bit like raw liver in colour, hence its name. The other material is basically potassium sulphide, but is made by gently heating sodium carbonate solution with sulfur in a covered vessel. This forms a mixture of potassium sulphide, polysulphide, sulphate and thiosulphate in variable quantities. I believe this is what the old alchemists used as part of their search for phlogiston. It is also used in some photographic processes to get weird effects in monochrome pictures. Unless you know what you are doing with sulfides, I would suggest you avoid them - they all stink like rotten eggs, are poisonous and will turn all your family silver black! Now you know a bit more about it, perhaps your local drug store may help you.

P.S. This guy made a slip up. Correction: "by gently heating potassium carbonate solution with sulfur in a covered vessel."

oratius
12-24-2010, 12:28 PM
But... how is this connected with mercury? How can this be the sulfur of mercury?
I mean... if no mercury is involved in its production...?

Jayanir
03-23-2011, 03:02 PM
Good day to all. I also work in this way. I am very pleased to see that you speak abouth five type of fire. I like more traditional books. I also believe true buffer has gotten a taste.
J

True Initiate
03-23-2011, 04:14 PM
I also believe true buffer has gotten a taste.
J

A taste of what?

Aleilius
03-23-2011, 06:37 PM
A taste of what?
When the dragon whispers to you.

Salazius
03-24-2011, 07:38 AM
But... how is this connected with mercury? How can this be the sulfur of mercury?
I mean... if no mercury is involved in its production...?

It's not the sulfur of mercury Hg.

Aleilius
03-24-2011, 09:10 PM
It's not the sulfur of mercury Hg.

The red oil, the dragon's blood, is K2S/KOH/KSH + solubilized red HgS (I believe this is the correct chemical perspective).

There are other things required to make this path work like it should.

Salazius
03-25-2011, 08:43 AM
If you do it well, it is not HgS.

I can't say more, but it's true.

Aleilius
03-25-2011, 06:49 PM
Here's a few references:

http://books.google.com/books?id=7L0MAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA519&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U04NcOwctgFrWCfRF-mwxhQdMWtMg&ci=18%2C284%2C441%2C222&edge=0

http://books.google.com/books?id=7L0MAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA519&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U04NcOwctgFrWCfRF-mwxhQdMWtMg&ci=15%2C615%2C441%2C152&edge=0

http://books.google.com/books?id=7L0MAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA519&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U04NcOwctgFrWCfRF-mwxhQdMWtMg&ci=9%2C1163%2C453%2C117&edge=0

Weidenfeld
03-26-2011, 02:29 PM
If you do it well, it is not HgS.

I can't say more, but it's true.

Well, I have learnt that as well the first result of the threefold separation, the little king, mainly is constituted of the red modification of HgS as the red medicine of the 2nd degree (the red stone) mainly is HgS and other Hg-containing components. Nonetheless someone from Helios Adam had told me, the Hg will be transmuted into something else respectively will completely disappear. If one thinks that chemically changed Hg already is a transmutation, then he would certainly be impressed by such chemical hanky panky. Just make an analysis and look for Hg. It's still there, even if changed into other chemical components and elemental modifications.

Aleilius
03-27-2011, 12:31 AM
Well, I have learnt that as well the first result of the threefold separation, the little king, mainly is constituted of the red modification of HgS as the red medicine of the 2nd degree (the red stone) mainly is HgS and other Hg-containing components. Nonetheless someone from Helios Adam had told me, the Hg will be transmuted into something else respectively will completely disappear. If one thinks that chemically changed Hg already is a transmutation, then he would certainly be impressed by such chemical hanky panky. Just make an analysis and look for Hg. It's still there, even if changed into other chemical components and elemental modifications.

The stone must be brought through the phases three times before it's of any value.

I have not carried this path out myself. I study it however.

Potassium, sulfur, and mercury are significantly connected to the torsion field.

Valentinus
04-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Thnx for such great material! :)
Salut to all ,Valentinus

Callahan
05-24-2011, 11:45 PM
Dunno if it have been brought up before...


http://www.wpg.dk/pdf/KamalaJnana-Diccionario-de-Filosofia-Alquimica.pdf (http://www.wpg.dk/pdf/KamalaJnana-Diccionario-de-Filosofia-Alquimica.pdf)

Assuming it's Spanish which i don't know a word of ;)

Salazius
06-26-2011, 09:29 AM
Well, I have learnt that as well the first result of the threefold separation, the little king, mainly is constituted of the red modification of HgS as the red medicine of the 2nd degree (the red stone) mainly is HgS and other Hg-containing components. Nonetheless someone from Helios Adam had told me, the Hg will be transmuted into something else respectively will completely disappear. If one thinks that chemically changed Hg already is a transmutation, then he would certainly be impressed by such chemical hanky panky. Just make an analysis and look for Hg. It's still there, even if changed into other chemical components and elemental modifications.

What I said wasn't connected with a teaching of this group, it is something I verified myself in the lab. Of course you are also right since everything isn't transmuted.

True Initiate
06-26-2011, 02:40 PM
Hey guys i have decided to post the rest of the files that i posses on the Caro path.

The first document is written in Spanish and includes the complete Grade material including initiatic ceremony that a student had to go through in French FAR+C degree system.
http://www.filesonic.com/file/1310626064/farcdegrees_Spanish.pdf

This document is a original exam paper written in French that a student needed to pass after going through the 7 degrees to be able to receive knighthood.
http://www.filesonic.com/file/1310648764/FARC_exam.pdf

Here is the English version of the same exam accompanied with correct answers. The English translation was done by Solomon Levi so show the man a little appreciation!
http://www.filesonic.com/file/1310663294/45_Questions_+_Answers.rtf

The former Grand Master Philip Laurent De Coster still offers initiation in the style of FAR+C to this day so for further study contact him.

http://img214.imagevenue.com/loc878/th_909858479_De_coster_Claude_thierry_PB290164_122 _878lo.JPG (http://img214.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=909858479_De_coster_Claude_thierry_P B290164_122_878lo.JPG) http://img199.imagevenue.com/loc94/th_098585573_06_P2050822_122_94lo.JPG (http://img199.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=098585573_06_P2050822_122_94lo.JPG) http://img269.imagevenue.com/loc36/th_098586486_45QuestionsAnswers_122_36lo.rtf (http://img269.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_098586486_45QuestionsAnswers_122_ 36lo.rtf)

Hellin Hermetist
06-26-2011, 05:35 PM
Nice work T.P. and Solomon. Thank you!

asta
06-27-2011, 07:42 PM
The first document is written in Spanish and includes the complete Grade material including initiatic ceremony that a student had to go through in French FAR+C degree system.
http://www.filesonic.com/file/1310626064/farcdegrees_Spanish.pdf


I can read there the complete cinnabar path with unveiled words, or at least it seems to be it...

Aleilius
06-28-2011, 01:27 AM
Hey guys i have decided to post the rest of the files that i posses on the Caro path.
Was wondering when you would release them! I was planning on uploading my copies of these materials to the CXP archive system for all to download & use. You beat me to it in a round about manner.


The former Grand Master Philip Laurent De Coster still offers initiation in the style of FAR+C to this day so for further study contact him.
Be careful when following this path of research to all those out there studying this work! Sure, those images are great, but it's the ones you don't see. Just be careful, not all is as it seems, and not all the bad are good & good are bad.

True Initiate
06-28-2011, 08:09 PM
Was wondering when you would release them! I was planning on uploading my copies of these materials to the CXP archive system for all to download & use. You beat me to it in a round about manner.

I still haven't released all the files.

The reason why i released them is that i am so sick and tired of hearing others only speculating and theorizing of the things i already know and it seems that it's getting worse with the time.



Be careful when following this path of research to all those out there studying this work! Sure, those images are great, but it's the ones you don't see. Just be careful, not all is as it seems, and not all the bad are good & good are bad.

There is no light without darkness and how can one become perfectly balanced without knowing his Evil side?
But Aleilius is right maybe i should warned you before...

Light side...

http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc109/th_290867808_Grand_Ma_tre_9_122_109lo.JPG (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=290867808_Grand_Ma_tre_9_122_109lo.J PG) http://img253.imagevenue.com/loc517/th_290874733_WimBisschop073_1_122_517lo.JPG (http://img253.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=290874733_WimBisschop073_1_122_517lo .JPG) http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc106/th_290938473_PDC_1_1_122_106lo.JPG (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=290938473_PDC_1_1_122_106lo.JPG)

Dark Side...

http://img193.imagevenue.com/loc101/th_291030815_shield_vampire_temple_atazoth_122_101 lo.jpg (http://img193.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=291030815_shield_vampire_temple_ataz oth_122_101lo.jpg)
http://img252.imagevenue.com/loc95/th_291088796_spto_1_1_122_95lo.JPG (http://img252.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=291088796_spto_1_1_122_95lo.JPG) http://img175.imagevenue.com/loc472/th_291092377_vam_hagur_1_1_122_472lo.jpg (http://img175.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=291092377_vam_hagur_1_1_122_472lo.jp g) http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc361/th_291095353_vollemaan_13_1_122_361lo.JPG (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=291095353_vollemaan_13_1_122_361lo.J PG)
http://img216.imagevenue.com/loc89/th_291105326_Magis_Hagur_666_5_122_89lo.JPG (http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=291105326_Magis_Hagur_666_5_122_89lo .JPG)

... you decide!

asta
06-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Well guys, looking at these pictures I can just say that's something else than alchemy.

Aleilius
06-29-2011, 02:57 AM
There is no light without darkness and how can one become perfectly balanced without knowing his Evil side?

Quite true. We should not attempt to repress such tendencies as that only tends to make them worse. Let's get to know our dark side, dive into the black art if needed, but don't forget that there's also the other side (from which you came).

I think a lot of societies problems comes from the lack of dealing with one's own shadow self. It's repressed instead of unmasked, transmuted, and integrated.

The 'balancing' act is the responsibility of the magus (controlling the lower, and upper; the outer, and inner; the left, and right; the black, and white ... so forth). It is the mystery of unity & singularity, infinity & finity, no-thing & all-things.

Aleilius
06-29-2011, 03:06 AM
Well guys, looking at these pictures I cannot believe how someone could think they are serious people... that's not alchemy, that's just a circus with many clowns.

Coster isn't an alchemist however. I believe he is a minister/theologian. Caro was the alchemist.

Salazius
06-30-2011, 07:24 AM
This is truly showing how a "seemingly" respectable order can be in fact a pile of manure.

Now TP,

Beware the backlash, because they will probably work on you if they hear that. Get some heavy magical protection.

True Initiate
06-30-2011, 06:30 PM
This is truly showing how a "seemingly" respectable order can be in fact a pile of manure.

Now TP,

Beware the backlash, because they will probably work on you if they hear that. Get some heavy magical protection.

No worry Sal, i am armed to the teeth!

Zoe
03-18-2013, 01:49 PM
This is a very interesting Thread!
I'm a beginner so I would like to know more about alchemy before starting some works, also because I know it can be very dangerous if you don't know what are you doing.
I would like to ask if it's possible to share again the documents sent by True Puffer. In fact some of them were cancelled, and the website filesonic.com was closed :)
Thanks!!

Tesposinus
04-10-2013, 05:50 AM
I would like to ask if it's possible to share again the documents sent by True Puffer. In fact some of them were cancelled, and the website filesonic.com was closed :)
I would like to humbly support that request as I have been doing quite a bit of research on the Via Cinnabaris of the F.A.R.+C. throughout the past year or so, and whatever materials on this path I can get my hands on is always sincerely appreciated.

So True Puffer... do you still have the above-mentioned documents? And if so, are you still willing to share them??

TUNGSTEN
04-26-2013, 07:33 PM
Nicholas D ******** did not agree with the procedure of French video

Tesposinus
02-11-2014, 09:48 PM
Something I thought might interest some of you on the forum...

The French document that was circulating among the members here via this very thread, has been translated into English as well as edited into book format along with reconstructed illustrations in full color. It's all been published as a 6 x 9 inch paperback of about 100 pages. The book is rather expensive, though - it being a mere paperback of 100 pages - but I guess that's what comes with a CreateSpace self-publishing printed in full color.

In any case, check it out:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Via-Cinnabaris-F-A-R-C/dp/1495447588/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392154593&sr=8-1&keywords=frater+t.p.s.

TUNGSTEN
03-17-2014, 12:36 AM
the roger caro cinnabar way in video , by rubellus petrinus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4MHfbvp2c4

Zoe
05-09-2014, 06:05 PM
This is a very interesting Thread!
I would like to ask if it's possible to share again the documents sent by True Puffer. In fact some of them were cancelled, and the website filesonic.com was closed :)
Thanks!!

Please, if someone can help me :)

True Initiate
02-17-2018, 09:20 PM
I came across this picture in my Cinnabar folder but i can't remember who sent me this?

https://s14.postimg.org/pnt74s2vl/Separation_4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Aham
02-18-2018, 02:28 AM
TI,

Some of your old links don't work anymore. If you don't care, would you mind reposting the following pieces on a website that doesn't need membership:

The detailed explanation on how to make the famous "secret fire" and the Roger's Caro stone!
- First Part:
- Second Part:

The commentary from Jean de Clairefontaine:

The English version of the FAR+C exam, translated by Solomon Levi, with the correct answers.
http://www.filesonic.com/file/131066..._+_Answers.rtf

Thanks in advance.

Aham

True Initiate
02-18-2018, 02:56 AM
No problem!

I put everything you asked in one folder and they are all translated in english now!
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qp58v1a3xe6xjfb/Cinnabar.rar

Aham
02-18-2018, 04:59 AM
No problem!

I put everything you asked in one folder and they are all translated in english now!
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qp58v1a3xe6xjfb/Cinnabar.rar

Tru da man! Downloading now :)

Weidenfeld
02-20-2018, 10:04 AM
I came across this picture in my Cinnabar folder but i can't remember who sent me this?

https://s14.postimg.org/pnt74s2vl/Separation_4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Psst, that was me :-)

Weidenfeld
02-24-2018, 06:11 PM
TI can‘t send a PN to you ....

True Initiate
02-24-2018, 06:29 PM
My inbox isn't full so i am puzzled what prevents you. Try my e-mail instead: truepuffer@yahoo.com