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solomon levi
10-12-2009, 02:08 AM
I was watching a show on the atom and it was saying that iron is unique
in the universe as the specific number of protons (for some reason) gives the
perfect balance between the electromagnetic force and the strong force,
thus making iron the most stable (fixed) element in the universe, and
therefore the most abundant.
They said everything is seeking the stability of iron, trying to become iron...
whereas alchemists say everything is evolving to become gold.

True Initiate
10-12-2009, 02:42 AM
I don't know where you heard that but it doesn't make any sense to me.
The iron oxidizes on open air, so what is so fixed in iron then?

solomon levi
10-13-2009, 12:23 AM
Good point.
I don't know.
But iron has a higher melting point than the other 7 metals.
Sometimes fixity is measured by whether something flies when heat is applied to it.
Iron is slow to fly, though Carbon, Titanium and Tungsten have even higher MPs.

True Initiate
10-13-2009, 12:29 AM
The iron in blood gives the blood it's red colour and it's virtue( to oxidize or "age" on air) and i have read in the occult books that the blood is the cause of aging and corruption of the man.
Adam and Lilith had no blood in their veins until Eva have eaten the "fruit" of the tree of knowledge and the blood was introduced in her body and she became mortal.

The alchemist idea about stoping the aging process is to turn the red blood into "blue" blood by the incorruptible virtue of the gold.

Opus Magnum
10-13-2009, 04:25 AM
The iron in blood gives the blood it's red colour and it's virtue( to oxidize or "age" on air) and i have read in the occult books that the blood is the cause of aging and corruption of the man.
Adam and Lilith had no blood in their veins until Eva have eaten the "fruit" of the tree of knowledge and the blood was introduced in her body and she became mortal.

The alchemist idea about stoping the aging process is to turn the red blood into "blue" blood by the incorruptible virtue of the gold.

I always thought that we have to change or remove something in our blood to become immortal. :)

Fireball
10-18-2009, 08:52 AM
This is the story from the book of Baron Ruesenstein about iron:

Swiss Farmer who had jaundice
whose doctor advised him; take one pound
of iron filings and place them
in a glass. Pour about a quart of stnong Swiss wine over them and put
the glass in a warm place. Stir it 2 or 3 times a day and when the
wine has turned black, drink 2 smalI glasses of the substance every
day, morning and night. The Farmer followed his advice and recovered.
The Farmer was clever, he thought he would be able to help others in
the same way. So he prepared some more of the substance but used S.V.
instead of wine. The S.V. turned red, he strained it through cloth
and poured it into a glass. Then he poured more fresh S. V. over the
caput mortum and it turned red again. He repeated this process again and again
and made a large amount of tincture. He distilled the S.V. off, then
poured it over again, and it turned red again. He repeated this many
times. It so happened that another Farmer in his village became ill
and he gave him a spoonful of his tincture and the man recovered within
two days.

I started the batch with 3 samples. First with Vodka, second with 70 % S.V. and third with strong S.V...
I personally think the point is a corrosion of iron. Dilluted S.V. can start the process of putrefaction of iron and an extraction of both the fixed and volatile salts. So the corrosion itself are fixed salts that dissolve in water of dilluted S.V. and the volatile salts that becomes free after "putrefaction" are attracted to an alcohol of S.V. So we get both salts in S.V and can start the process of dissolving and coagulation by distillation and imbibation of disstiled S.V. over the caput mortum.

Any thoughts?

Ghislain
10-18-2009, 09:00 AM
Excuse my ignorance, but what is S.V?

Ghislain

Fireball
10-18-2009, 10:54 AM
Excuse my ignorance, but what is S.V?

Ghislain

S.V = Spiritus Vini= Alcohol of wine
I'm not sure all the alchemists use alcohol of wine, because it's quiet expensive.
In my country i can't find any. Alcohol companies just doesn't sell it. All i can get is Brandy - 40% S.V. I can probably distill off alcohol of brandy and rectify it, but it's also long and complicated process.
For now i use grain alcohol, until i find any better solution!:rolleyes:

horticult
10-18-2009, 01:12 PM
The process 4 high spirit /alcohol/ is easy and quick and can be done in kitchen.
Fortunately I can buy 96% in an apotheke...
But I think that farmers process is an allegory; probably it should be used "Lullys spirit" and so on...

Fireball
10-18-2009, 01:35 PM
The process 4 high spirit /alcohol/ is easy and quick and can be done in kitchen.
Fortunately I can buy 96% in an apotheke...
But I think that farmers process is an allegory; probably it should be used "Lullys spirit" and so on...

Pardon me, what is "Lullys spirit" ?

horticult
10-18-2009, 02:22 PM
Thats what everybody would like to know.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=cs&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en-GB&hs=UOC&q=lullus+alchemy&btnG=Hledat&lr=

horticult
10-18-2009, 02:23 PM
"It was called spiritus vini or "spirit of wine. ... The secret was known only to masters of alchemy, who bequeathed their knowledge to their ... The Franciscan philosopher and theologian Raimundus Lullus called it ultima consolatio ..."

True Initiate
10-18-2009, 02:54 PM
What do you think is the philosophical wine?

solomon levi
10-19-2009, 06:09 PM
I've heard of that recipe, using iron wire and wine to make a tincture of iron.
I actually just noticed it in some old notes this morning, so it's synchronistic
that you should mention it.

Lully's spirit, from my understanding, is supposed to be the rectified SV which
then goes through a process of digestion at mild temp until a separation occurs
and the 'heaven' or QE (quintessence) floats above.
This is supposed to be a wonderful medicine by itself, and the basis of most other
alchemical works; that is, when they mention SV, they really mean this 'heaven', not
simply rectified SV.

Perhaps it's more difficult than it seems. The idea is fairly well known, but I've never
heard or seen anyone post that they've actually made it.