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True Initiate
10-17-2009, 01:50 AM
The manufacture of sal ammoniac is not something very difficult.
However, if you're a purist, you will have a hard time because the canonical production of the spirit of salt and ammonia is not easy to do.
Otherwise, for others, here is the modus operandi to be followed:
Take a balloon or a Pyrex glass containerr.
- Put the 125 ml of ammonia.
- Then add 125 ml of hydrochloric acid of commerce, I think (for me) it is concentrated to 32.1%.
It emerges then white smoke and acrid worthy of American films of mad scientist and the ball gets hot. Reseal the container to prevent the steam from escaping.

The clear solution is placed in the cold in the freezer.

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Beginning of crystallization and then a few minutes after leaving the freezer.

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When steam was dissolved in the solution, put your container in your freezer, then wait until it is very fresh!
Remove it and you will see the ammonia salt to crystallize and fall into the bottom of the container!
It'll just filter everything to get the salt and let dry on a towel in the sun!

Filtration and ammonia salt obtained as white as snow.

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For more salt, do it with 250ml or 500ml of each of the reagents.
Remember to keep in a tightly closed jar.

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True Puffer

True Initiate
10-17-2009, 01:51 AM
Purification of the Sal ammoniac

A reminder of the products involved:

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We may, from the table above and density, to optimize the constituents.
A note in passing, if the concentration does not appear on the packaging, it must pass through the measurement of density.The modern hydrometers are established for the temperature of 20 C, this is not the case of former found hand (flea markets, sales and deposits) should therefore ensure this very important point. We uses rainwater filtered carefully (mineral waters and say demineralized always contain minerals in suspension and their density is not 1).
There is a big fridge to test water, then the spring when she is around 10 C. there plunged a thermometer and hydrometer. It monitors the rise in temperature by reading the density below the meniscus.
Usually the former hydrometers are calibrated for 15 C. If so, measures will be made at this temperature.There are possibilities of correction, but do not over complicate. I've always been surprised that this indication of temperature does not appear on the hydrometer, even modern.

Use data available:
We have, for example, hydrochloric acid and 35%, density 1.18.
In a liter so there is 35% acid gas is dissolved 413 g. and 65% of water is 764 g.
A mole of acid with a mass of 36.46 grams in one liter of solution was therefore 413/36, 46 = 11.33 moles of acid.
Similarly, suppose we have ammonia at 20%, density 0.92.
In a liter ago 20% of ammonia is 184 g. and 736 g.water.
One mole of ammonia with a mass of 17.03 grams in one liter of solution was therefore 184/17, 03 = 10.80 moles of ammonia.
One mole of ammonia salt has a mass of 53.49 g.composed of one mole of hydrochloric acid and one mole of ammonia.
must therefore prepare for a mole of salt used by volume ammonia solution:
1000 cc/11, 33 or 88.26 cc of acid.
1000 cc/10, 80 or 92.60 cc of ammonia.
A total of about 180 cc of mixture (there is also contraction of volume, so do not try too hard).

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I've always cleaned my ammonium chloride by a process of sublimation in a container such pyroflamme.
It distributes the ammonia salt in a thin layer at the bottom and against sides of the container and it starts to overheat, chloride sublimes into a vapor abundance, does not open, (here only for the photo) and wait until everything is filed against the lid.
Cool and remove the deposit which occurs with the consistency of a cardboard disk.
Impurities remained at the bottom in the form of soot and black light that one towel.
It is good to repeat a second time this sublimation, the bottom of the pan must be clean at the end of operation.

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True Puffer

True Initiate
10-17-2009, 03:17 AM
Preparation of the salts: Salpeter
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1009

Ghislain
11-19-2009, 11:57 PM
I wonder if someone could help me...

I was trying to make some urea nitrate and it didn't seem to work. The ingredients were urea, sulfuric acid and ammonium nitrate.

I read up on some forums and one post mentioned that these ingredients would not make urea nitrate but were the ingredients to produce ammonium chloride.

I have made some more and filmed the process and result (http://genius.toucansurf.com/urea nitrate or ammonium chloride.wmv). I mixed the ingredients in a glass
then transfered the solution to a dish to cool quicker.

I needed a way to test this and thought that as ammonium chloride is an ingredient that can be used in negative x (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1024) I could make some up and try it. It made the best negative x so far.

I know that is not proof that the substance is ammonium chloride but it does make it possible.

Can anyone shed any more light on what it is or a way to check that it is ammonium chloride?

thanks

Ghislain

Aleilius
01-23-2011, 11:02 AM
I was trying to make some urea nitrate and it didn't seem to work. The ingredients were urea, sulfuric acid and ammonium nitrate.
I read up on some forums and one post mentioned that these ingredients would not make urea nitrate but were the ingredients to produce ammonium chloride.

Hi Ghislain, I know this is an old thread, but there's no way you can produce ammonium chloride from urea, sulfuric acid, and ammonium nitrate. There's no chlorine in there anywhere!

Joshua
01-28-2011, 09:27 PM
What about sal aRmonniac as opposed to sal ammoniac? From what I can gather, in the old days, the best was extracted from Armenian clay Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone know what it might be chemically?

Aleilius
01-30-2011, 04:23 PM
What about sal aRmonniac as opposed to sal ammoniac? From what I can gather, in the old days, the best was extracted from Armenian clay Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone know what it might be chemically?

Ah, probably Armenian clay + putrefied urine. This is sublimed to obtain the sal harmoniack. Also, another notion is a 50/50 mixture of ammonium carbonate/ammonium chloride (harmomy - two, harmoniack). I've heard the sal harmoniack described a few different ways.

Probably a pretty generic recipe is to go out in the backyard, dig, find clay, and use that. :D

Joshua
01-31-2011, 08:51 PM
The first alchemical work that I ever did consciously, was an extract of dirt. Then I used a pyramid to dissolve gold. Then I got stuck in the web of alchemical texts.

I think I'm becoming unstuck.

I turned my house into a magnetic trap. :-)

Aleilius
01-31-2011, 09:21 PM
I turned my house into a magnetic trap. :-)
Hehe, that reminds me. I want to build a pyramid as a house! I talked with Seth-Ra about this. Thought it was funny. :D

Joshua
01-31-2011, 10:58 PM
Me, too. I always wanted a pyramid house as well.

Aleilius
02-04-2011, 03:42 AM
Me, too. I always wanted a pyramid house as well.

I've drawn up plans. It would (will? yeeeeeears from now) be crazy cool. :D