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solomon levi
10-23-2009, 12:44 PM
Item 1 - Isaac Holland's Stone of Urine:
If you know the Stone, take it in its coarseness, congeal it till it is thick, and guard it from all metals, because the Stone would turn into weeds, for it is their nature to make all things pure and clean. When you have made it thick or have congealed it, you may draw from it the two elements air and fire. The third element, earth, lies burnt black, like coal, in fundo of the vessel, In the black coal there is hidden the Stone of the old and wise philosophers as also of the sworn Masters. Pulverize this black earth intangibly. Put it into a wide vessel in tripode to calcinate for four days, glowing in moderate heat, so that the matter stands between glowing and not glowing. But the last day, let it glow nicely, but not too much, as the matter must not melt; for as long as our Stone is not pure, it is combustible, and the Stone together with the foul Materi would burn to glass if the Materi were to reach the melting stage.
When the earth is thus calcinated, take it out of tripode and dissolve it in common, distilled water; let the faeces drop, and as long as it is still warm pour the water above off into a wooden or stone vessel. Do be on guard against the metals, otherwise the blessed Stone will be spoiled and corrupted. Now the blessed Stone will sprout beautifully and purely, and grow like grass out of the earth, ever more and more.
Now pour the water of the sprouted matter into a stone vessel which must not be coated with lead, or into a glass vessel. Boil the water, and again pour it into a wooden or stone vessel. let it sprout again, and each time something has sprouted, boil the water down till everything has sprouted.
When everything has been boiled down and has sprouted, dry it over a gentle fire, stirring with a fine rod till the matter is so dry that it dusts. Now put the matter into a wide vessel, of one thumb’s thickness, and set it in tripode or a reverberating furnace. This is the best and last calcinations, which is to last three hours; the first hour with a gentle fire, the second with a stronger fire, and the third hour the fire must be heated so strongly that it reaches the stage between glowing and not glowing. Toward the end of the last hour increase the fire so much that the matter glows nicely without melting. If you see it melt, remove the fire from the furnace as fast as you can, and let the matter cool down.
Now take it out and dissolve it in pure water. When it has settled, pour the pure off from its sediment while it is warm; for if you allowed it to grow cold, the Stone would crystallize of its own, and you would be unable to clarify it of its faecibus. You must do this --- dissolve in water, pour off its sediment and allow it to sprout, and pour it off again, and boil it down, and let it sprout again --- till everything is sprouted.
Then you must again dry the matter over a gentle fire, always stirring it with a little rod till it dusts, as mentioned before! Now put it back into the wide vessel of one thumb’s thickness and into a reverberating furnace, till your Stone no longer gives off any faeces and stay clear and subtle, and melts on a hot tin like wax or butter. If it is taken off the fire, it must stand up and not dissolve even in cold and humid air. Then your Stone is subtle and fixed.
But if it should happen that the Stone should melt during calcinations, it would not be spoiled because of it, but you would lose your weight; for if the Stone were standing long enough in flux in the fire, part of it would burn into glass, for the Stone is still alone and at that time does not yet have its spiritus with it, which could protect the corpus from the fire. Likewise, it does not have the soul with it, which would keep the spiritus and the corpus together in peace. When , however, spirit, body, and soul are united together, fire cannot turn them into glass, for it is then an elixir that surpasses all elixirs. Then it is a glorified corpus which is perfect. Then it is the indestructible Quintessence, similar to the unconquerable heaven. And when you have thus prepared it, the Stone desires to receive the spirit and the soul.
If you wish to make this Stone come alive, you may bring it to any body you wish. You can make of it a Lapis Philosophorum or QE, which cure all sicknesses, which sustain man’s body in full health and let him last without decrease of the body in full health and let him last without decrease of the body till the last termin of everybody’s life, as we heard above. But if you wish to make of it a medicine for unclean metals, you must take it to metals, for a horse makes a horse, etc.

(For the entire, see here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy5/hollopus.htm


Item 2 - Philalethes immortal liquor alcahest:
Nine parts of ten, or thereabouts, distilled from fresh urine are to be rejected, the tenth part (as much as can be extracted in form of liquor) is to be kept; from that dried urine which remains in the bottom by a gentle fire (which will not cause sublimation), let the salt be extracted with water, so that there be as much water as half that urine whence this feces was dried; whatsoever is imbibed by the water, let it be poured off by decanting; let it be strained, or purged, per deliquium; then filter it through a glass. Let fresh water be poured on, and reiterate this work till the salt become pure, then join this vastly stinking salt with your last spirit and cohobate it.

(For the entire, see here:
http://sacred-texts.com/alc/cc/cc03.htm


Item 3 - Bartlett's urine/nitre alkahest:
Close the urine in a glass vessel and putrefy for a month or more in a warm place. Filter, then slowly distill to dryness. Return the distillate to the caput mortuum and again digest for a month. Distill and repeat the cohobation a third time.
On the final distillation, collect the clear distillate as the Spirit of Urine or Alkahest of Urine.

(For the entire, see here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=s1CY904VtiYC&dq=Bartlett+Real+Alchemy&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=5GN47Q1Le8&sig=9wzbxtZwcIjxcWMb1m0nw3TAcog&hl=en&ei=aZnhSpyVKYj2sQOoyY27Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=urine%20alkahest&f=false


Item 4 - the red salt of urine:
The red salt of urine is prepared as follows: Let good urine stand for some time till it putrefies, then distill from it the spirit of urine by itself, while evaporating the remaining phlegm to dryness. Pour this spirit of urine on this salt residue in a flask, cover it with a blind alembic and set it for several weeks in a mild digestion. Then the spirit of urine extracts and dissolves the salt and sulphur contained in the residue. This done, collect the spirit of urine in another clean flask upon which apply an alembic with a receptacle luted on it. Then distill the spirit of urine gently till a salty skin appears. That seen, set it in the cold, and it will result in beautiful bright red, yes dark red transparent crystals. Carefully pound these with gold leaves and finally rnelt this mass in a crucible. The gold therein will be completely opened and turned into a glassy substance, almost that of a ruby. If this substance is melted with silver and separated, it is supposed to tinge many parts of gold, but if it is extracted, it is supposed to be an incomparably good medicine.


Item 5 - Mr Nobody's addendum to the above process:
All you do is distill the urine until dryness then add the spirit back the dry material to make an extraction of it. Then filter and evaporate that extraction until a skin begins to form on the surface. This indicates the urine is supersaturated with chemicals (a very wide array of chemicals). Now you place the urine in the fridge (not the freezer) and the crystals will shoot...
Also you can't simply distill the urine to dryness in a flask. You must distill the spirit to separate it from the water portion, and you must know what sign to look for to see when the spirit is finished distilling. Then you take the remaining urine and decant it from the flask into a wide prex glass pan, which you place in a little toaster oven outside, set the lowest setting (about 150F). The reason you must do this is because when you leave the urine in the flask and keep distilling, it creates quite a nasty mess and bubbles up to form a nasty goey material that then hardens into a black mass. So evaporation in a wide pan is essential. If you use too high of a heat, you will burn your chemicals, and your extract won't be able to form crystals because there is nothing in there which can crystallize since you basically calcined it already.
These crystals are NOT the Philosopher's Stone; they are merely an Alkahest used to transmute metals into a glass-like substance.

(For the entire, see here:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=41&page=7

solomon levi
10-23-2009, 12:56 PM
Item 6 - Philalethe's Spirit of Urine:
Take urine, and dissolve in it a convenient quantity of saltpetre. Let it stand a month; afterwards distil it, and there will come over a spirit which burns upon the tongue like a coal of fire. Pour this spirit on again, and cohobate it four or five times, abstracting every time not above half; so the spirit becometh most piercing, yet not in the least sharp; the heat which goeth out in the first distillation of the liquor, afterwards grows sensibly mild, and at length almost (if not altogether) vanisheth, and the second spirit may be perceived mild, both by the smell and taste, which in the former was most sharp.

Item 7 - some items in my notes from somewhere:
1. If urine be digested 6-8 weeks with moderate heat, its salt will be so
volatilised as to rise before the phlegm.
2. Putting spirit of salt to fresh urine, they readily and quietly mix. But putting
spirit of salt to digested urine (putrefied) causes hissing and ebullition
and the volatile and acid salts will after a while coagulate into a substance
somewhat the nature of sal ammoniac.
3. If fresh urine be poured upon quicklime till it swim some fingers above it,
and then distilled, it yields with an easy heat a subtle penetrant spirit
without the assistance of putrefaction.

True Initiate
10-23-2009, 01:42 PM
Fruitfull research Sol, let me threw my 2 cent's here.Here is the visual path to the stone from GW.

"Cabala mineralis manuscript"

http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc55/th_04552_cabmin01_122_55lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04552_cabmin01_122_55lo.jpg)

The mine of our mercury is our saltpetre not that of the vulgar.
Our sharp bitter vitriol is not that of the vulgar
Our ammoniac is not that of the vulgar

http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc217/th_04584_cabmin02_122_217lo.jpg (http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04584_cabmin02_122_217lo.jpg)

The sprout of Mercury.
The water of life
Nine volatile parts fix one part of mercury.
Homogenitas the sharp living water.

http://img102.imagevenue.com/loc92/th_04599_cabmin03_122_92lo.jpg (http://img102.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04599_cabmin03_122_92lo.jpg)

Our mercury.
The living pontic water.


http://img205.imagevenue.com/loc41/th_04626_cabmin04_122_41lo.jpg (http://img205.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04626_cabmin04_122_41lo.jpg)

Two to more than three parts of our mercury dissolve one part of the common moon or sun, and they become inseparably one spongeous porous body, which is called our moon or sun, not the common.
The moon through mercury of five eagles.
The Sun through mercury of seven eagles.

http://img217.imagevenue.com/loc165/th_04644_cabmin05_122_165lo.jpg (http://img217.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04644_cabmin05_122_165lo.jpg)

The sophic calcination of the sun.

http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc524/th_05026_cabmin06_122_524lo.jpg (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05026_cabmin06_122_524lo.jpg)

The sophic putrefaction.
Of the calcination of our sun, having been watered with new mercury, two parts in weight, the common sun is made one body, black and not porous.

http://img261.imagevenue.com/loc9/th_05058_cabmin07_122_9lo.jpg (http://img261.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05058_cabmin07_122_9lo.jpg)

The Germination of vegetation.
The sun having been changed through the black colour becomes green, it is spread out into the vegetation.

http://img16.imagevenue.com/loc437/th_05104_cabmin08_122_437lo.jpg (http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05104_cabmin08_122_437lo.jpg)

The white sulphur.
Our sun having been changed into a green colour, passes into white sulphur, which is the body animated by the incorruptible soul.

http://img175.imagevenue.com/loc48/th_05136_cabmin09_122_48lo.jpg (http://img175.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05136_cabmin09_122_48lo.jpg)

Volatilisation through liquid.
Here our white sun, without any imposition of a hand, nor opening of the flask a second time, is melted, the heat having been continued, with many coloured vapours resembling the tail of a peacock, then our white sun is being volatilised through a liquid.

http://img121.imagevenue.com/loc1/th_05193_cabmin20_122_1lo.jpg (http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05193_cabmin20_122_1lo.jpg)

Volatilisation through dryness.
Our volatile sun having been prolonged in heat, now having been made through liquid is dried up and becomes a body shining, as if dawn is breaking, and this is the volatilisation through dryness.

http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc795/th_05227_cabmin21_122_795lo.jpg (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05227_cabmin21_122_795lo.jpg)

The red sulphur.
By this the dawn gradually vanishes, our sun rises in beautiful and most red grains, and our red sulphur by the wise so desired, which however is not the end of the work.

http://img247.imagevenue.com/loc503/th_05258_cabmin22_122_503lo.jpg (http://img247.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05258_cabmin22_122_503lo.jpg)

Another fermenation, the Imbibition of the stone.
This red sulphur is inbibed with five parts of its bodies weight of fresh mercury, gradually and by degrees, through seven separate imbibitions, and the sequence having been revolved in heat in the wheel of nature for one month.
They pass over the putrefaction and now the ruling words.

Continue...

True Initiate
10-23-2009, 01:43 PM
http://img137.imagevenue.com/loc482/th_05352_cabmin23_122_482lo.jpg (http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05352_cabmin23_122_482lo.jpg)

The stone of the wise.
The medicine of the third order.
A month having been completed, the omnipotent king or our stone arises, the perfect medicine of the third order in its projection able to transmute all metals.

Let the eternal God be praised and may his grace be unceasing.

solomon levi
10-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Don't forget these:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=770

My thoughts on these items:

In item 1, the "air and fire" originally drawn off after the congealing are saved
and the purified salt is imbibed with them later as the mercury and sulphur of urine.
Also notice he is making a fusile fixed salt/stone, pretty much in the same manner
as Lully with sea salt.
In some of the other methods, these calcinations are replaced by digestions, the
dry vs the wet way, which one also notices when researching sea salt.
Also, in this method, the "glass" is to be avoided and seen as a sign of immaturity.

Notice that the Spirit of Urine is assisted by alkalisation, sometimes with quicklime,
sometimes with nitre, often by putrefaction. I've done it with tartar. Notice this
is also what's occurring with repeated distillations and cohobations on the caput mortuum -
it allows the spirit to come over. Don't imagine that the first water to
be distilled off of fresh urine is the spirit. The spirit will run in veins like alcohol
does on the sides of a glass. That is the "sign" that you should look for.

Notice the similarities between items 3 and 7. Philalethes fortifies his urine by adding
saltpetre/nitre, which already exists naturally in urine. Bartlett seems to confuse
the spirit of urine and the alkahest of urine. This isn't so. The spirit becomes the
alkahest when united to its salt.

Notice that in item 1, Holland says to "congeal" the urine and make it thick.
Notice he doesn't say to evaporate it. I could be mistaken, but he may be alluring
to the congealation of urine by quicklime. As I've mentioned before, not only does
the quicklime immediately alkalise the urine, the heat produced removes some of the
phlegm. I've also mentioned that I've notice both Holland and Paracelsus refer to
making nitre by adding quicklime to urine.

In item 5, don't forget to putrefy first. But if you understand the particular of quicklime,
I'll bet you can avoid the wait and also produce the much desired spirit by this
addition. ;)

enough for now.
maybe too much for now?! :D

Thanks for the addition True!

I wish you all success.
Solomon

memphis_mizraim
10-23-2009, 02:10 PM
From what I am seeing and reading now the secret is gw, sea salt and gold together and results are published.

solomon levi
10-23-2009, 02:37 PM
I wonder if the Cabala Mineralis is showing the production of
the urine alkahest or one of those urine menstruums that are capable
of dissolving gold, and then just digesting it through all the colors and stages.

We'll have to make one and see if it forms the "spongy mass".

solomon levi
10-23-2009, 02:46 PM
From what I am seeing and reading now the secret is gw, sea salt and gold together and results are published.

In distillation of urine, the volatile salts come over, but there is a fixed salt which
is sea salt that remains with the caput mortuum.
So calcining the caput mortuum, as in item 1, is very similar to the calcinations
of sea salt, or the spirit of sea salt fixed with sal ammoniac.

It's all the same ingredients: sea salt, nitre and sal ammoniac.
The same with dew and sea salt. (dew salt is ammonium nitrate)

So yes, I very much agree with you. :)

True Initiate
10-23-2009, 07:00 PM
Post moved to:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=4868&posted=1#post4868

solomon levi
10-23-2009, 09:49 PM
Stuby, Stuber...
Wonderful!!

Thanks True!

solomon levi
10-24-2009, 06:51 AM
"If we remember that the sea salt, which referred the author of the Testament(Leyden) came from "St. Uby" or "St.Uber"(Imaginary place) for the reference hermeticism worthy of the name is obvious, the ... Stibnite!


This explains why this is the only method with sea salt that mentions the
putrefaction and black stage - the others don't.

I also wanted to say that this doesn't mean that something can't be created
out of sea salt and dew. I still stand by my statement:

"In distillation of urine, the volatile salts come over, but there is a fixed salt which
is sea salt that remains with the caput mortuum.
So calcining the caput mortuum, as in item 1, is very similar to the calcinations
of sea salt, or the spirit of sea salt fixed with sal ammoniac.

It's all the same ingredients: sea salt, nitre and sal ammoniac.
The same with dew and sea salt. (dew salt is ammonium nitrate)"


Let's keep the focus of this thread on urine.
I don't want a dozen posts about sea salt/dew or stibnite.
If people wish to discuss that further, can we please have an alternate thread for it.

But thanks again for that important contribution True. :)

Ghislain
10-24-2009, 07:33 AM
Do you think that NaNO3 would be an ok substitute for KNO3?

Ghislain

solomon levi
10-24-2009, 08:24 AM
Do you think that NaNO3 would be an ok substitute for KNO3?

Ghislain

Definitely. After all, the gw is from the animal realm as is sodium, so it
probably has an even greater affinity for it.
But when the caput mortuum or salt crystals have been purified,
Holland tells us that they will accept any kingdom.
And others also tell us that this stone is plant, animal, and mineral.

solomon levi
10-24-2009, 09:13 AM
I'll start posting my urine-related pics here since what I'm doing doesn't
really belong in the "white stone of urine" thread.

I was away from the lab a couple days so my crock pot gw got evaporated
really well and started to produce tiny crystals without any refridgeration.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_28.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=197&u=12781761)


Here is the beautiful red color from concentrated urine. It still amazes
me that urine can become so beautiful.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_29.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=198&u=12781761)


Here is the electric blue tincture from putrefied urine passing through
copper piping during distillation:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_30.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=199&u=12781761)

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/stibi_31.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=200&u=12781761)

I wonder if it makes a radical urine menstruum like vinegar does?
As I mentioned in another thread, urine and vinegar are often used
interchangeably and both have the number 60 in gematria (urina and acetum).

horticult
10-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Wow, thats pretty impresive stuff. THX a lot!

True Initiate
10-24-2009, 02:53 PM
Here are the pictures that my friend Rubellus has made disstiling the GW.His wife told him if he didn't stop doing this he can get out.

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True Initiate
10-24-2009, 02:55 PM
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True Initiate
10-24-2009, 02:56 PM
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Ghislain
10-25-2009, 07:21 AM
If you concentrate urine do you not end up with urea?
If this is so then by adding one part nitric acid carefully and
leave to crystalise and dry out away from heat you get urea nitrate.

Highly explosive :o

Ghislain

solomon levi
10-26-2009, 07:27 PM
Digby says the spirit comes first:

Let urine stand 8 or 10 days in which time it will putrefy and ferment.
Then distill it very gently and that which comes first is the spirit.
When it begins to come over weak and insipid, (which you will know by tasting),
then cease, for all the good is passed over.
Thus you will have near half your quantity of urine in good spirit.

Ghislain
10-27-2009, 10:56 AM
I filled a demijon with GW but did not know what to do
with it so it has stood outside for about three month.

Is it any good now?

Ghislain

researcher
10-27-2009, 04:40 PM
I had pondered wether or not to share this one but I think its fine.

Put the GW in a porous ceramic vessel that isn't coated. The water seeps through and grows ammonium nitrate crystals. Store bought ammonium nitrate can be dissolved in the golden water while its in the ceramic pot. These will help crystals grow on the outside of the pot. These crystals can then be dissolved in the distilled spirit you obtained from the GW. If the spirit is heated up so you can supersaturate it with the crystals, then you can allow it to cool at room temperature, then in the fridge, and crystals will grow. But since urine is alkaline, some people say adding ammonium nitrate to urine will form ammonium hydroxide so I don't know for sure exactly what the chemical makeup of these crystals is.
This was from ***

solomon levi
10-27-2009, 05:10 PM
Ghislain,
Sure, it's fine. As long as it's for some method that calls for putrefied gw.


Researcher,
I don't think the urine is alkaline enough to make hydroxide unless you
putrefy it. Otherwise you should be good.

researcher
10-27-2009, 05:42 PM
Very interesting solomon. So for that particular one the GW may not need to be putrified. I plan on trying it soon and maby I'll use new and old GW to see what th outcome is. Those are suppose to be the same red crystals MrNoboddy described so it would be very interesting to hear if the red glass can be made from it. I might try projecting them on some lead like you said. I'm also considering projecting some of my white stone on some lead to see what might happen.

solomon levi
11-14-2009, 06:50 PM
Well, I got some red crystals now, using a slight variation in the method.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/uri_0010.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=222&u=12781761)


Here you can compare this one to the old one.

New:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/uri_0011.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=223&u=12781761)

Old:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/uri_0012.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=224&u=12781761)



The difference is that the old wasn't putrefied.
While you can quickly 'putrefy' fresh gw with alkali salts,
I thought of another alkali that happens to go well with
the products we are trying to create: liquid ammonia ;)

If you use this method, the putrefied, you may want to distill
instead of evaporate or you'll lose the spirit.

ManO
11-14-2009, 08:39 PM
Hi Sol,

Great, looks just like what I got, more-less.
Are you going to try to "project" this onto a metal next?
It will be interesting to see how Mr. Nobodies recipe works out, I don't think it is unreasonable, That it may makes a glass.

ManO

solomon levi
11-14-2009, 09:43 PM
I guess I could try a projection.
I'll re-read Mr Nobody to refresh my memory.

Oh - I forgot to mention that I recovered these crystals
without any refridgeration. I'm refridgerating now to see
if they'll get any bigger.

solomon levi
11-15-2009, 07:04 AM
OMG! The salt we've been making is a fusile salt!
But it must be cleansed/separated from the sea salt.
So this really could create the brittle metals!

http://books.google.com/books?id=XwJYdFQRphwC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Fusible+salt+of+urine&source=bl&ots=-iSmkJOgmZ&sig=5AQTE9OHGVxWQsQeSgqKUjD740E&hl=en&ei=Sqb_St_GMYvYsgOI8-2dCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Fusible%20salt%20of%20urine&f=false

One source defines fusile salt as phosphate of ammonia,
and fusile salt of urine as triple-phosphate of soda and ammonia.
Ha ha! I knew it. It also defines Microcosmic salt as triple-phosphate of soda and ammonia.

http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/mechanics/Engineer-Mechanic-Encyclopedia-Vol2/Salt.html

Here is another source that shows how to prepare/separate the urea from the fusile
Microcosmic salt:

http://books.google.com/books?id=s4RZnW-B0-wC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Fusible+salt+of+urine&source=bl&ots=n0WwjlyJB4&sig=IkN1jJv4hSCXt_c8derivBuj_S8&hl=en&ei=Sqb_St_GMYvYsgOI8-2dCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Fusible%20salt%20of%20urine&f=false


I have a great idea.
Wish me luck.

Ghislain
11-15-2009, 08:35 AM
Good luck Sol' :)

Ghislain

solomon levi
11-15-2009, 11:59 AM
Thanks Ghislain!

Another interesting read on urine:

http://books.google.com/books?id=s4RZnW-B0-wC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=fusible+salt+of+urine&source=bl&ots=n0WwjnwIE7&sig=BQTp5G7kSHvaChyWC3jS1uDNazY&hl=en&ei=V-z_SoWYMITMtAPC_dCHCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=fusible%20salt%20of%20urine&f=false

researcher
11-17-2009, 05:39 PM
The link says fresh is better for boiling. Very interesting and it makes sense since some of the etheral forces could escape along with chemicals during putrification. I should also warn that if you boil putridfied GW it will foam up to over a dozen times its volume and release a very stronge chemical smell so fresh GW is way better all around.

ManO
11-20-2009, 05:36 PM
I did some experiments with the "alkahest" made from urine.
I circulated common alcohol with the volatile ammonia salt.
I took the first several drops and put some gold leaf to it yesterday.
this morning I see the gold leaf has completely dissolved.
there is however no coloration to the liquid, it still remains as clear and white as it was previously.

I wonder if anyone else has had the same results, if not I may know why.

ManO

horticult
11-21-2009, 12:20 PM
That´s really interesting.
Maybe the leaf is too small to cause visible coloration.

researcher
11-21-2009, 02:57 PM
I was thinking the same thing. In many documents such as reusenstein he will typically dissolve no less than 1 loth of gold leaf and leave it in BM for 24 hrs. In the cappucine monk letter in potpurri alchemica he says to dissolve gold leaf untill it can absorb no more. Then filtered the corpus of the metal which indicateded it reached it saturation point.
However I've had a certain alchemist I know say only 1 gram is necassary and anything above that could expose you to radiation since the metal is turned inside out by the alkahest, which may explain why in some cases the hair and nails fell out but later grew back since the alkahest heals.
I dont think its really that big of a deal since theres no warnings of that nature mentioned in those texts nor concrete evidence of such things and many have done these processes without such adverse affects.
It may also depend om what manner of alkahest is being used since there are many but its all speculation from there.

All this to just to say it may need more gold leaf.

ManO
11-21-2009, 07:12 PM
I am starting work on another version based on my research and observations.
I am using a soxhlet extractor.
my first objective is to get as much as or all the volatile ammonia salts to combine with the Alcohol, in the vapor state.
once that is accomplish, I am thinking I will then circulate the Alcohol with Potassium carbonate in the thimble, this will remove any residual moisture and perhaps volatilize some of the Pot carb..
then I intent to replace the pot carb with stibnite, and circulate that my therory is this should draw a sulphur and the most volitile parts of the antimony should become part of the Alkahest, and have a strong action on metals.

Just putting that out there to see what you guys think, we'll see what happens.


<Add-edit>
My thinking is also that I just didn't have enough gold in it.
So I added more, it seems to dissolve faster, the leaves are becoming so thin they are transparent and break apart, the liquid is becoming a green color, this is very exiciting....!
Also I see some white matter floating around in there, probably the salt of the gold. and a few specks of black at the bottom.

ManO

solomon levi
12-09-2009, 09:47 PM
OMG! The salt we've been making is a fusile salt!
But it must be cleansed/separated from the sea salt.
So this really could create the brittle metals!

http://books.google.com/books?id=XwJYdFQRphwC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Fusible+salt+of+urine&source=bl&ots=-iSmkJOgmZ&sig=5AQTE9OHGVxWQsQeSgqKUjD740E&hl=en&ei=Sqb_St_GMYvYsgOI8-2dCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Fusible%20salt%20of%20urine&f=false

One source defines fusile salt as phosphate of ammonia,
and fusile salt of urine as triple-phosphate of soda and ammonia.
Ha ha! I knew it. It also defines Microcosmic salt as triple-phosphate of soda and ammonia.

http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/mechanics/Engineer-Mechanic-Encyclopedia-Vol2/Salt.html

Here is another source that shows how to prepare/separate the urea from the fusile
Microcosmic salt:

http://books.google.com/books?id=s4RZnW-B0-wC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Fusible+salt+of+urine&source=bl&ots=n0WwjlyJB4&sig=IkN1jJv4hSCXt_c8derivBuj_S8&hl=en&ei=Sqb_St_GMYvYsgOI8-2dCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Fusible%20salt%20of%20urine&f=false


I have a great idea.
Wish me luck.


http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/12/78/17/61/th/pict0513.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=244&u=12781761)

Andro
12-11-2009, 08:57 AM
But it must be cleansed/separated from the sea salt.

Mr. Levi,

Why not simply go on a salt-free diet before collecting your materia? That's what I've been doing...

Also, I would suggest getting rid of the sediment of the putrefied materia before evaporating it down to a syrup, cooling it down to crystals and then separating out the urea with alcohol. The sediment is not soluble in water, whereas the Salt we're after is.

This (http://www.dncustoms.gov.vn/web_Eglish/BIEU_THUE/E_HTM/E2842.HTM) source describes Microcosmic Salt as "Colourless efflorescent crystals, soluble in water. Used as a flux for dissolving metal oxides."

I would also suggest that for this salt to achieve the wonderful quality of "flowing like wax" when heated, it should be first married with the fixed sulfur of the materia, which is its resin (Number 12 in the list of components, from the 3rd and last link in your above post).

OR -

Why not use a different body fluid altogether, one not containing urea or most other substances found in urine, putrefy and separate it from the water-insoluble sediment and then just cook it to a complete, married to itself Alkahest by the light of the Sun and the Moon alone?

Hmmmm.......

solomon levi
12-11-2009, 10:22 AM
Welcome Androgynus.
Those are really good points and suggestions.

About the last item you mentioned, how much starting material
does this require?

Andro
12-11-2009, 10:43 AM
Welcome Androgynus.
Those are really good points and suggestions.

Thank you :)


About the last item you mentioned, how much starting material does this require?

The last item is actually two or even more. One item actually originates from the same fountain as the main item of this thread, the other one from a different fountain - but in both cases, more is better. I know these items take ages to collect (compared to the GW) - but working with them can be very rewarding, (comparatively speaking). If you could collect a few hundred ml. of the first and a few liters of the second - it would be a very good start.

On a different note - much appreciation to you for your wisdom and sharing on this forum.

horticult
12-11-2009, 12:44 PM
I think that maybe the predecessor of GW is better than these 2, Bacstrom wrote about it.
2: I do not think that a such enormous quantum is needed; question is, if that 2 from these 2 should contain a "sabot". ???

memphis_mizraim
12-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Welcome Androgynus.
Those are really good points and suggestions.

About the last item you mentioned, how much starting material
does this require?
Are we talking about using water of the RED SEA

Andro
12-11-2009, 02:31 PM
I think that maybe the predecessor of GW is better than these 2, Bacstrom wrote about it.

Mr. Horticult,

Thank you for your input.

I haven't worked with this predecessor that you mention, so I can't really comment. Are you talking from personal experience?


2: I do not think that a such enormous quantum is needed; question is, if that 2 from these 2 should contain a "sabot". ???

Once again, are you talking from experience?
2-3 liters is not by far an 'enormous quantum'.

I am onestly curious if you have personally worked with any of these two matters to know how much starting material is needed to obtain a workable amount of active components.

What is a "sabot"?

Andro
12-11-2009, 02:35 PM
Are we talking about using water of the RED SEA

Mr. Memphis_Mizraim,

Mr. Horticult may be talking about this water, but I am not.

memphis_mizraim
12-11-2009, 03:00 PM
Mr. Memphis_Mizraim,

Mr. Horticult may be talking about this water, but I am not.
Please explain, not clear your comment.

Andro
12-11-2009, 03:22 PM
I myself was not refering to any kind of 'RED SEA' water (neither literally nor otherwise), but Mr. Horticult may have implied it, as the predecessor to the GW. You'll have to ask him.

horticult
12-11-2009, 03:35 PM
Predecessor: no, only read Bacstrom. IMHO - I thought a long time about these, and now is my opinion that this is more direct to stone that 2.

2. Only in AC fashion.

"sabot" from Fulcanelli and french, I am not sure about right english equivalent, "something precious hidden in waters".

memphis_mizraim
12-11-2009, 03:42 PM
OR -

Why not use a different body fluid altogether, one not containing urea or most other substances found in urine, putrefy and separate it from the water-insoluble sediment and then just cook it to a complete, married to itself Alkahest by the light of the Sun and the Moon alone?

The body has a limited number of fluids two in large vol's are easy enough to get the others are not so plentiful and evaporate very quickly

memphis_mizraim
12-13-2009, 02:15 PM
There seems to be some confusion about the black salt if it should be calcined to white each time you distill or just leave it in its black state and pour enough Spirit back on the salt just to dissolve but no more and then in put in a cold place to get the crystals growing.

ManO
12-19-2009, 05:33 AM
I was wondering,

I have made this substance, the Alkahest by the alcohol and the volitile salt of Urine.
I was wondering if anyone here could explain why it works as it does in that it dissolves gold, by Alchemical and/or modern chemistry paradigm?

ManO

memphis_mizraim
12-19-2009, 01:37 PM
I was wondering,

I have made this substance, the Alkahest by the alcohol and the volitile salt of Urine.
I was wondering if anyone here could explain why it works as it does in that it dissolves gold, by Alchemical and/or modern chemistry paradigm?

ManO
If you have made this alkahest then can you answer the previous question I posted. Do you calcine the black salt each time after distillation.
Its a simple answer YES or NO.

solomon levi
12-19-2009, 05:08 PM
ManO,
Are you talking about KM or something else?

ManO
12-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Hi Sol,

Scroll back to my previous posts in this thread.
Its not a KM, its from that recipe you posted a while back.

Mem,
I have no idea, read the previous posts.

It is very simply made, just alcohol, plus the ammonium carbonate salts, then collect the first parts that come over in distillation, it eats gold leaf within 24 hours, manipulations cause the white salts to fall out from the gold and you are left with an Oil.

Of course if its not supposed to work, I must be doing something wrong...
I for one would like to know what it is.


ManO

True Initiate
12-19-2009, 07:10 PM
Of course if its not supposed to work, I must be doing something wrong...
I for one would like to know what it is.


ManO

:D:D:D

Salazius
12-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Memphis,

It's yes and no. It's a Philosophical calcination.

ManO,
It's great what you just acheived ! If I remember it's a Digby Chemical Secrets receipe. (photos ! photos ! photos !) :D

Andro
12-20-2009, 11:33 AM
It is very simply made, just alcohol, plus the ammonium carbonate salts, then collect the first parts that come over in distillation, it eats gold leaf within 24 hours, manipulations cause the white salts to fall out from the gold and you are left with an Oil.

Mr. ManO,

Did your dissolved gold leave any black residue (feces) behind? Mine did (using a different Alkahest)...

Did you use store-bought alcohol, or did you distill it yourself?

After dissolving gold with one of my dew alkahests (and after filtering out the black feces), I gently distilled away the alkahest and was left with a very fine white-yellowish powder, which may contain the white salts you mention and a little oil of gold as well.

However, I used a large amount of alkahest for a very small quantity of gold... What was the Gold/Alkahest ratio that you used? And your alcohol/ammonium carbonate ratio?

Have you considered alchemically re-uniting the white salts with the oil? Could yield interesting results....

solomon levi
12-22-2009, 10:25 PM
I was wondering,

I have made this substance, the Alkahest by the alcohol and the volitile salt of Urine.
I was wondering if anyone here could explain why it works as it does in that it dissolves gold, by Alchemical and/or modern chemistry paradigm?

ManO

First, thanks for sharing your success; I'm thrilled!
I'll try to verify this as soon as I can.

Second, a weak attempt at an answer to your question: ammonia salts
are pretty volatile. They have a way of attaching to the volatile parts
(mercury) of metals. Another possible theory, the dew salt is thought
to be the true first matter/mercury (see Golden Chain of Homer).
Although that particular salt is the nitrate, perhaps related ammonia
salts have similar properties.

Not much of an explanation, but the answer is in there somewhere.

sol

Andro
12-22-2009, 11:31 PM
Although that particular (dew) salt is the nitrate, perhaps related ammonia salts have similar properties.

Good spring dew, especially if decomposed/putrefied, also contains the volatile ammonia salt (besides the fixed nitrate).

This is highly simplified, but after putrefying good dew and filtering out the insoluble parts, care should be taken to evaporate in very gentle heat, or else the volatile salts will be lost and the dry alkahest will be incomplete.

One for the mixin' and the other for the fixin'

:)

solomon levi
12-23-2009, 06:39 PM
I was wondering,

I have made this substance, the Alkahest by the alcohol and the volitile salt of Urine.
I was wondering if anyone here could explain why it works as it does in that it dissolves gold, by Alchemical and/or modern chemistry paradigm?

ManO

I forgot these points also:

It contains water, earth, air and fire:
NH4CO3
Nitrogen = air
Hydrogen = water
Carbon = earth
Oxygen = fire

Some alchemists used this notation. This is the simplest compound that contains
all four elements. Another reason it may be considered a prima materia.

Also consider that it is called "volatile alkali".
Remember that volatile alkalis are the main component of a Circulatum,
which is basically a "wet Stone".

Some ideas for the circulatum - the Majus is the same as the Minus. For the
plant kingdom, we used an essential oil (volatile sulphur), potassium carbonate
(fixed alkali) and an extra "boost" from a Martial sulphur - the resin of certain
pine or fir trees (which have "needles", thus ruled by Mars).
In the mineral kingdom, we already have our volatile alkali in Ammonium
Carbonate. Perhaps it needs the sulphur of Mars/iron as is suggested in the
Antimony (Martial regulus) work.

ManO
12-24-2009, 10:35 PM
Hi All,

Sorry it takes me so long to respond, the holidays have been a busy time for me.
Thank you for all the brilliant responses.

My instinct is to work on silver to try to make some kind of circulatum, I dont have any literature references for that idea but I will see how it goes, I just got some fine silver .999 I will go to work after the holidays.

I will also look over the previous questions and respond a little later.

Thanks every one for this fine thread.

ManO

Andro
12-25-2009, 04:11 PM
[...]and an extra "boost" from a Martial sulphur - the resin of certain pine or fir trees (which have "needles", thus ruled by Mars).

Some plants (not many at all) have their own non-volatile sulfur/gum/oil/resin in their flowers and leaves. One example is nettle. There are a few others.

This resinous sulfur (taken from the flowers and leaves of the few plants which posess it) is not water-soluble, but after being properly married and united into a homogenous mass with the Salt of the same plant, it becomes soluble in both water and alcohol.

I've done this with nettle, dissolved the final mass in vodka and it resulted in a uniform tincture with mild Alkahest properties. Placing some raw plant material in it resulted in the plant material sinking to the bottom and a (very) thin layer of oil ascending to the top.

This sinking and ascending took a few hours at most (maybe it took less, but I only checked after a few hours, so I don't know exactly how long it took). The quantities of the plant material, solvent and resulting oil were too small to test for anything, so I'll have to do it again with larger quantities, and probably using a different plant to start with.

To conclude, I don't believe this external boost to be necesary if the starting plant already conatains it, not to mention the benefit of having all the ingredients coming from the same source.

All of the above goes for work with the plant kingdom.

When it comes to Universal, I am a firm subscriber to the concept of "One Matter, One Vessel, One Regimen Of Fire".

Seth-Ra
12-25-2009, 05:19 PM
When it comes to Universal, I am a firm subscriber to the concept of "One Matter, One Vessel, One Regimen Of Fire".

Just as Nature and Art changes one matter into another (solve et coagula, Transmutation), so then are all matters One Matter. All that you need is always on hand, if you can simply find it around you, and it is usually drawn out by any of the fires, for they all burn with the same concept, though different degrees; this is where the Pattern comes in. There is a Universal Pattern which holds the underlying Truths of the Work (see Emerald Tablet ;) ), these Truths are then used in accordance to each person's Art in order to get the perfection of their Work.

All is One, and the One is the All. :cool:


~Seth-Ra

solomon levi
12-29-2009, 06:42 PM
Interesting that nettle is another martial plant.

Yeah, the "boost" is really a fixed sulphur (as opposed to the volatile found
in essential oils) which is abundant in resins. But if the plant has enough of its
own, you're right - no need to add something extraneous.

In the mineral kingdom, iron is abundant in fixed sulphur.

Andro
12-29-2009, 07:30 PM
Interesting that nettle is another martial plant.

Right now I'm experimenting with a Solar plant which has even more fixed sulfur. A fixed sulfur can also be extracted from wine.


Yeah, the "boost" is really a fixed sulphur (as opposed to the volatile found in essential oils) which is abundant in resins. But if the plant has enough of its own, you're right - no need to add something extraneous.

Ether has a lower boiling temperature than probably most essential/volatile oils (its boiling point is lower than human body temperature). So if you perform an ether extraction on your plant material and then just let it evaporate naturally in a not-too-warm environment, you may get the fixed and volatile sulfurs combined together after all the ether is gone. This is what I believe happened with my nettle experiment.

solomon levi
12-29-2009, 07:44 PM
A bit off topic but: do you make your own ether or do use use car starting fluid?
(fluid after spraying it out of the can...)
I haven't worked with ether yet, but would like to.

Andro
12-29-2009, 08:22 PM
Do you make your own ether or do use use car starting fluid?

I buy lab-grade Di-Ethyl Ether from a chemical supply store. Works great for my purposes :)

solomon levi
01-01-2010, 06:43 AM
Another item to consider with ammoniac salts:

seal of solomon

Remember Fulcanelli - seal = sel/salt

salt of solomon... salt of sal ammon... fire and water conjoined...

MrNobody
01-19-2010, 10:58 PM
I used some lab grade ammonium carbonate and circulated some grain alcohol with it, then distilled and used the first couple drops on gold leaf, and it didn't dissolve.

So the process isn't purely chemical, if only ammonium carbonate obtained from urine is what will work. And I question whether or not that actually is just ammonium carbonate and not ammonium chloride or some other more complex salt of ammonia and other chemicals present in the urine.

If the gold dissolved in this way becomes an oil when the solvent is evaporated, and then dries into a glassy material that flows like wax on hot copper plate, and dissolves easily in water just like it does in alcohol, then those tests would surely seem to indicate it is the unmultiplied stone. To multiply it though, I'm guessing a redissolution and digestion with the urine salt+alcohol distillate would be the way to go.

Still there is an even easier method that doesn't require distillation at all, just purification of the urine and filtration, then leaving it in the sun with gold leaf so an oil rises to the surface. That's what they've been discussing on that other forum that charges membership fees now. I'm not surprised to find copies of the same conversations happening on this forum for people who don't want to pay a membership fee to join the conversation at the other one, but I am surprised to see that nobody here knows about the easy method of sitting the urine out in the sun to dissolve the gold. I also here that is one of the questions on the test required to join that forum in the first place, along with several other true/false questions about how the stone is made, as if people are already supposed to know this stuff.

LeoRetilus
01-20-2010, 12:09 AM
.....on gold leaf, and it didn't dissolve.
So the process isn't purely chemical......


Mr. Nobody, your absolutely right the reaction is not at all chemical, unless you have inadvertately produced aqua regia by introducing halides(chlorine) and nitrates.
The alkahest of urine dissolves gold because of the philosophical mercury contained therein ,which is liberated upon putrefaction, it does so soley by virtue of its magnetic properties...and yes the sun is involved, but so is the moon, only in that it is where its power originates. And the sun voltilizes it to the top of your sealed flask just like it does on the earth during the day when it rises in the sky and redescends by moonlight and condenses as dew!

But I didn't have to put it in the sun, my alkahest was so powerful it actually fizzled and the gold was gone in seconds not days.:)

And I prefer calxs of gold(philosophical gold)(gold ormes) to vulgar gold any day,..... for fermentation and multiplication can be sped up as well.

And I might add.... there are other ways to attract more philosophical mercury than what our urine alone contains...for divers philosophers have used divers means.;)

So which forum is superior , that which relegates and charges tolls for philosophy or that which allows it to flow freely, like a fountainhead of knowledge and understanding?

And I might also add that the conversations taking place here lately are wholly original to this forum alone...... I imagine there are those who go back and forth... and we may know alot more than you perceive but are keeping some background converstations between those who regularly contribute and have an open mind on this forum.

memphis_mizraim
01-20-2010, 01:16 PM
I used some lab grade ammonium carbonate and circulated some grain alcohol with it, then distilled and used the first couple drops on gold leaf, and it didn't dissolve.

So the process isn't purely chemical, if only ammonium carbonate obtained from urine is what will work. And I question whether or not that actually is just ammonium carbonate and not ammonium chloride or some other more complex salt of ammonia and other chemicals present in the urine.

If the gold dissolved in this way becomes an oil when the solvent is evaporated, and then dries into a glassy material that flows like wax on hot copper plate, and dissolves easily in water just like it does in alcohol, then those tests would surely seem to indicate it is the unmultiplied stone. To multiply it though, I'm guessing a redissolution and digestion with the urine salt+alcohol distillate would be the way to go.

Still there is an even easier method that doesn't require distillation at all, just purification of the urine and filtration, then leaving it in the sun with gold leaf so an oil rises to the surface. That's what they've been discussing on that other forum that charges membership fees now. I'm not surprised to find copies of the same conversations happening on this forum for people who don't want too pay a membership fee to join the conversation at the other one, but I am surprised to see that nobody here knows about the easy method of sitting the urine out in the sun to dissolve the gold. I also here that is one of the questions on the test required to join that forum in the first place, along with several other true/false questions about how the stone is made, as if people are already supposed to know this stuff.

Interesting many aspect of your letter MR NOBODY. Many people know many things but not many want to tell. It's a little game they play "look at me I have great knowledge and only I have this "this inflates the ego” no problem as long as they stay well away from me they can be egotistical as much as they want.

It would be best if they shut up and say nothing at all but they just have to tell the world I am superior I have great knowledge.

Everyone who is really serious about alchemy knows where this information is coming from that is getting posted.

The other website you mentioned is very interesting and many are very serious on there plus here "its true you will always get people who just tag along" but they don't really understand what is getting discussed and so no harm is done. Perhaps in the future they will awaken to this Path.

I question charging fee’s for any esoteric teaching and when I see fees I question the motive of the person who is giving these teaching. After all if you are teaching this process then you should have achieved the final goal, transmutation and the stone. So they should have endless wealth and health.

Who is anyone to judge the sincerity of members just because they hand out $5 a month. But if that was my only income I would be happy to see the dollars roll in but in this case did not roll in. So what do you do next??

I think a donation for those who want to want to give is good but to hit someone with dollars for everything does not work and won't work.

If the elixir is supposed to give you access to the spiritual then you should be able to know before you go ahead with any plan what will be the outcome "perhaps the communication path to the spiritual is a little shaky" with this elixir.

It would be different if it was a person to person relationship. But so many methods are thrown in and deliberate tweaking and meanings are given to lead the student astray.

I am perhaps one of the few on here who admire *** but I feel he made a huge mistake charging fees. Sometimes also I feel he is should count to 10 before he fires from both hips, but at least they are getting results.

memphis_mizraim
01-20-2010, 01:22 PM
Mr. Nobody, your absolutely right the reaction is not at all chemical, unless you have inadvertately produced aqua regia by introducing halides(chlorine) and nitrates.
The alkahest of urine dissolves gold because of the philosophical mercury contained therein ,which is liberated upon putrefaction, it does so soley by virtue of its magnetic properties...and yes the sun is involved, but so is the moon, only in that it is where its power originates. And the sun voltilizes it to the top of your sealed flask just like it does on the earth during the day when it rises in the sky and redescends by moonlight and condenses as dew!

But I didn't have to put it in the sun, my alkahest was so powerful it actually fizzled and the gold was gone in seconds not days.:)

And I prefer calxs of gold(philosophical gold)(gold ormes) to vulgar gold any day,..... for fermentation and multiplication can be sped up as well.

And I might add.... there are other ways to attract more philosophical mercury than what our urine alone contains...for divers philosophers have used divers means.;)

So which forum is superior , that which relegates and charges tolls for philosophy or that which allows it to flow freely, like a fountainhead of knowledge and understanding?

And I might also add that the conversations taking place here lately are wholly original to this forum alone...... I imagine there are those who go back and forth... and we may know alot more than you perceive but are keeping some background converstations between those who regularly contribute and have an open mind on this forum.

Well spoken Red Lion.

solomon levi
01-20-2010, 06:17 PM
Still there is an even easier method that doesn't require distillation at all, just purification of the urine and filtration, then leaving it in the sun with gold leaf so an oil rises to the surface. That's what they've been discussing on that other forum that charges membership fees now. I'm not surprised to find copies of the same conversations happening on this forum for people who don't want to pay a membership fee to join the conversation at the other one, but I am surprised to see that nobody here knows about the easy method of sitting the urine out in the sun to dissolve the gold. I also here that is one of the questions on the test required to join that forum in the first place, along with several other true/false questions about how the stone is made, as if people are already supposed to know this stuff.


Dude - did you read the very first post of this thread?
And even if it wasn't posted, why would that mean nobody knows about it?
I'm sure 90% have already read Holland. It's been posted here several times.

Seth-Ra
01-20-2010, 06:46 PM
I could be mistaken, but for me atleast, it seems like intuition & common sense to use the sun in many ways, and as Leo said, the moon also. I'm pretty sure that most anyone that works with any lab alchemy soon learns of the multiple "fires", and then there is reading (as Sol said) and then just trial and error, putting it into action.

You know what they say when you "assume". ;)

On another note, one does not always say all that one knows. Some must be learned by self, others simply don't come up, and others are repeated. Discussion, regardless, motivates understanding thus building new
insight, or progressing current thought. In short: just because something hasn't been discussed, or discussed very little, doesnt mean we aren't aware. In many times it's what the "books"/"adepts" aren't talking of, which is what they are discussing. But then, that takes insight to catch when and where. ;)

~Seth-Ra

horticult
01-21-2010, 05:08 PM
Those fees on that forum are a evidence for me that ormus has bad side effects.

Andro
01-21-2010, 05:44 PM
Those fees on that forum are a evidence for me that ormus has bad side effects.

A perfectly logical conclusion.
And while @ it, I also don't recommend being a veget/arian, cos U may just start sending jews, gypsies & gays to concentration camps. Same logic, more or less...

BTW, R U a veget/arian? B/cause it could B N evidence 4 many things, U know...


According to mine analysis of written texts by ORMUS users, it seems to me that [...] their writting is sometimes certainly not brilliant


Pissed off that the famous Ormus has no effect on ME

U sure? Can B hard 2 tell sometimes w/out proper feed/back

? :confused: ?

rockfate1111
01-27-2010, 10:24 PM
Well, I got some red crystals now, using a slight variation in the method.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/uri_0010.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=222&u=12781761)


Here you can compare this one to the old one.

New:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/uri_0011.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=223&u=12781761)

Old:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/uri_0012.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=224&u=12781761)



The difference is that the old wasn't putrefied.
While you can quickly 'putrefy' fresh gw with alkali salts,
I thought of another alkali that happens to go well with
the products we are trying to create: liquid ammonia ;)

If you use this method, the putrefied, you may want to distill
instead of evaporate or you'll lose the spirit.



Soloman,

Have you tried sealing either of these crystals up in a crucible with some silver or gold yet and fired it?

I have obtained a similar material from the same process and I am about to start building a furnace to start doing firings.

Just wondering if you ever tried to fire it with gold or silver.

Peace,

Rueb
01-28-2010, 08:27 PM
I used some lab grade ammonium carbonate and circulated some grain alcohol with it, then distilled and used the first couple drops on gold leaf, and it didn't dissolve.

Hi,

why did you distill? The spirit of GW is supposed to be mixed and circulated (as you did) with the spirit of wine.

Also I wonder what came first since you already distilled it? The spirit of GW or wine?

Next it could be ammonium carbonate as well as ammonium chloride.
I have quite a bit of true clear spirit of putrid GW and will try that out soon.

Rueb

solomon levi
01-30-2010, 11:06 PM
Soloman,

Have you tried sealing either of these crystals up in a crucible with some silver or gold yet and fired it?

I have obtained a similar material from the same process and I am about to start building a furnace to start doing firings.

Just wondering if you ever tried to fire it with gold or silver.

Peace,

No, I haven't.
Is that the process to make the white and the red?

I was thinking of heating it with mercury like they do in the fusile salt processes.

LeoRetilus
01-31-2010, 01:07 AM
Hi Sol ..I believe what Mr. Rockfate is refering to is the Potpurri Alchemica Method that can be found in the RAMS manuscripts..its is the method Mr. Nobody gave earlier that a certain somebody likes to take credit for on his website.
As we know there are two ways to achieve purification of our principles, one is by repeated distillations and casting out the feces or as an alternative , crystallization and redissolving and recrystallizing and as well casting out the feces each time. Or a combination of both as is done in the Potpurri Alchemica Method. But in the aforesaid method we are to take these crystals which are a union of our mercury and sulfur and our salt because we had put them back on the salt after the blackness was calcined to make an extraction of it before they crystallized the first time. This final crystal product is the stone in an unspecified form ready to be wedded to the gold and is called the powder of projection when crushed up. You will have to melt some gold with the projection powder and it will turn the gold inside out, flower (carbunucle) and will make the gold glassy , then you will crush this gold glass with more of the projection powder and set it in moderate heat for a few months and the gold will ferment with the projection powder and multiply the stone in this way. To do another multiplication you will take this once multiplied stone and add back the powder of projection crushing it with the other each time of course and add it back to your heat and each successive multiplication will be wedded in less time because it becomes more fusile. Now if you want to augment in quantity but not quality you can melt with more gold and you will have more stone to do more tranmutations but it will still hold its power that it has been multiplied to, but if you do this it will no longer be soluble in spirit of wine or water for that matter so if you wish to extract the elxir you should do this before you augment for quantity.

solomon levi
01-31-2010, 01:09 AM
Thanks Leo. :)

rockfate1111
02-01-2010, 07:39 PM
I am about to do what Leo explained as soon as I get my furnace finished..... let me know how your trials go if you decide to try this out. :)

Peace,

Rebus7
02-03-2010, 10:11 AM
Hello Leo,
Thank you for your ongoing clarifications on the Work.
Regarding the following extract:


"... Or a combination of both as is done in the Potpurri Alchemica Method. But in the aforesaid method we are to take these crystals which are a union of our mercury and sulfur and our salt because we had put them back on the salt after the blackness was calcined to make an extraction of it before they crystallized the first time."

In other discussions, including that from the Potpourri Alchemica Method, we are told to merely dry the caput mortem rather than to calcine it. Presumably by merely drying the CM we will not destroy the sulphur and it can then be extracted by the concentrated spirit. Or perhaps the resinous sulphur could be extracted after drying by another spirit and the CM could then be calcined if the fixed salts were needed, but I don’t see a use for the calcined salts.

I guess I am just thinking aloud and querying my current actions, since I am right in the middle of the process at the moment and have not used calcination, but have been using Starkey’s ‘hidden circulation’ on the sulphur.
Obviously some trial and error will likely clear up my own confusion.

Thank you again for your inspiration and encouragement.

memphis_mizraim
02-03-2010, 11:52 AM
Red Lion
You have given many ways but have you tried any of them. Do any of methods work as outlined in your previous posts.

I don't want to waste my time with old alchemical manuscripts who's methods were never tested.

I have thousands of methods and I have all the Rams collection which I could post every day from, but using the dry method does the process you have outlined work. I think many would like to know that.

These forums never fail to talk about the stone but none ever delivered. The rams collection is very Interesting but sadly Hans never achieved anything in the alchemical domain and died very young.
I knew him personally.

rockfate1111
02-03-2010, 07:37 PM
Hello Leo,
Thank you for your ongoing clarifications on the Work.
Regarding the following extract:



In other discussions, including that from the Potpourri Alchemica Method, we are told to merely dry the caput mortem rather than to calcine it. Presumably by merely drying the CM we will not destroy the sulphur and it can then be extracted by the concentrated spirit. Or perhaps the resinous sulphur could be extracted after drying by another spirit and the CM could then be calcined if the fixed salts were needed, but I don’t see a use for the calcined salts.

I guess I am just thinking aloud and querying my current actions, since I am right in the middle of the process at the moment and have not used calcination, but have been using Starkey’s ‘hidden circulation’ on the sulphur.
Obviously some trial and error will likely clear up my own confusion.

Thank you again for your inspiration and encouragement.



I hav not completed this work yet... however I believe you are correct in not calcining the CM. It should "be evaporated to gentle dryness"

Good luck in your work,

Peace,

LeoRetilus
02-03-2010, 08:18 PM
Hello Leo,
Thank you for your ongoing clarifications on the Work.
Regarding the following extract:



In other discussions, including that from the Potpourri Alchemica Method, we are told to merely dry the caput mortem rather than to calcine it. Presumably by merely drying the CM we will not destroy the sulphur and it can then be extracted by the concentrated spirit. Or perhaps the resinous sulphur could be extracted after drying by another spirit and the CM could then be calcined if the fixed salts were needed, but I don’t see a use for the calcined salts.

I guess I am just thinking aloud and querying my current actions, since I am right in the middle of the process at the moment and have not used calcination, but have been using Starkey’s ‘hidden circulation’ on the sulphur.
Obviously some trial and error will likely clear up my own confusion.

Thank you again for your inspiration and encouragement.

I meant calcination by virtue of an alchemical operation.

Of course we don't want to burn the most volatile salts away, we want to collect them. But we do want to render the other metabolic wastes left as CM unreactive by heating them to the point where when we put the spirit of urine back on the CM to extract the volatile salts, we only pick up the salts and nothing else. Then we will distill the spirit back off the CM after it has circulated for a while and the spirit will carry these volatile salts back with it to our condensing flask. Then we will heat this in open air gently till we drive off enough moisture that the solution will become super-saturated and a salty skin begins to appear at which point we can put it in the fridge and crystals will sprout. These crystals are the wedded stone of the three principals ready to be crushed and melted with gold for the first time. That is the potpurri alchemica method. Sure there are many other ways to go about the GW path than this.

What if I started with three different containers of super concentrated putrefied GW. And from the very beginning I treated them to extract the three different principals from them individualy. So for instance the one I want to extract my mercury from I would apply very little heat to it while it putrefied and it would contain the most oil floating on top, so this one I would distill to extract the mercury only as a spirit in the form of a irridescent oil. Then take whats left and maybe throw it away or divide it among the other two containers, adding the liquid portion to the container I wanted to extract the sulfur from and the solids portion (precipitates) to the container I wanted to extract the salt from. Then take the container I wanted to extract the sulfur from and heat it more violently till it resolves itself to a red resinous oil, then distill it off into a separate container and keep it. Next I take the final container from which I want to extract the salt and simply let it putrefy till I collect enough precipitates and then decant off the liquids and catch these salts in a filter and wash them thoroughly and you will see they are quite volatile as ammonia fumes began to evolve from the filtered and washed mass. Then we distill these salts alone and they will condense as clean salts in the condensing flask leaving the CM behind in the distilling flask. This step takes the place of calcining or heating the CM in open air alone. Then we take all three purified principals and unite them together in the right proportions in a sealed flask until they are wedded and a stone we shall have, ready to be fermented with gold. This I believe is the method that was used here: Green Lions pictures towards the bottom of this post (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=54&highlight=observed+iridescent+film+starting+fresh+ distillation.#post53)

Additional Notes: And you can see from Green Lions pictures that the his "milk virgin" resembles a butter, butter of antimony anyone......gur?.... The fatty earth

LeoRetilus
02-03-2010, 08:34 PM
Red Lion
You have given many ways but have you tried any of them. Do any of methods work as outlined in your previous posts.



The only method I have given that I have not personally completed is the Red Lion path of Joe Lello..........I simply do not have the glassware yet to withstand the pressures to make the trees grow on the animated mercury. But I am having some thick walled quartz glassware manufactured for that purpose as we speak.

I have made the stone in all the ways I previously outlined and most recently found a way to make it in about an hour, with the most unassuming of starting materials and modern methods of applying heat more directly. But it would be criminal for me to reveal anything about that method here.

Stick to this GW path Memphis there is no reason that it won't work for all who follow directions and are patient with it, except for maybe your diet, and the proper diets have been outlined .

Rebus7
02-05-2010, 02:17 AM
Thanks again, Leo..... very helpful

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Salazius
11-23-2010, 11:21 AM
It seems some Alchemists having worked upon urine for years had nerves problems after that, and diseases like parkinsons now.
Just something to be aware of, and to be carefull with.

amoodikh
12-16-2010, 09:17 PM
I had pondered wether or not to share this one but I think its fine.

Put the GW in a porous ceramic vessel that isn't coated. The water seeps through and grows ammonium nitrate crystals. Store bought ammonium nitrate can be dissolved in the golden water while its in the ceramic pot. These will help crystals grow on the outside of the pot. These crystals can then be dissolved in the distilled spirit you obtained from the GW. If the spirit is heated up so you can supersaturate it with the crystals, then you can allow it to cool at room temperature, then in the fridge, and crystals will grow. But since urine is alkaline, some people say adding ammonium nitrate to urine will form ammonium hydroxide so I don't know for sure exactly what the chemical makeup of these crystals is.
This was from ***

Hi researcher,

I used non-glazed pot clay method and it produced the oil/film on the top of the GW surface. It worked for me without going through distillation step, but do not know how to fix the salt? Would you recommend /advise of an easy way to fix the salt (ammonium nitrate) for I did not see the crystalas grow in the pot?

With respect,
amoodikh

crystalbody
12-18-2010, 09:53 PM
I have made plenty of red cystals and melted them with gold. It turns into a CLEAR salt. Monoatomic Gold? It won't do it with silver though. It leaves specks of red but doesn't really do anything. I ate that shit! Anyway, I also tried to multiply it but I'm dealing with a very small amout due to the price of gold. I really don't know where to go from here.

Ormus is what corrected my brain. I do think excessive use could be harmful since there is mercury , lead,...ect in the sea.

solomon levi
03-08-2012, 10:11 PM
Notice the mercury of urine:

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/agric_06.html

"Collect a good amount of boys' urine, let it putrefy for some time, and distill the first and subtle spirit over like brandy. Set the filtrate in digestion for 8 days and distill again as before. Keep the spirit but boil the left-overs of both distillations quite dry in a kettle. Calcine it in a potter's furnace, extract from it its fixed salt with rain water, knead it under potter's clay, and distill it like common spirit of salt. You will obtain a yellow, sharp spirit, rather heavy in weight. Rectify it to remove all phlegma, then pour on it by drops the first-prepared volatile spirit. It will effervesce strongly, so that you will be surprised to find so many opposites together in one subject. A white substance will precipitate. Let it settle, pour the phlegma off from it, dry the rest, put it in a curcurbit and sublimate it with a strong fire. A beautiful bright sublimate will rise into the alembic. Remove it and keep it, as it is good for many things. Take one part of it, add to it 3 parts of spirit of salt, digest this together and distill it. Now you will have a wonderful menstruum for dissolving not only gold but all the other metals and minerals."

If you want to make the stone, you mustn't calcine in a potter's furnace. This removes an essential.
Brandt did the same, applying strong fire to our microcosm and collecting the phosphate fume separately.
But why? We had a microcosm. Return to the very first post of this thread where holland teaches the stone:

"Pulverize this black earth intangibly. Put it into a wide vessel in tripode to calcinate for four days, glowing in moderate heat, so that the matter stands between glowing and not glowing. But the last day, let it glow nicely, but not too much, as the matter must not melt; for as long as our Stone is not pure, it is combustible, and the Stone together with the foul Materi would burn to glass if the Materi were to reach the melting stage."

solomon levi
03-20-2012, 10:43 AM
http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/12/78/17/61/th/pict0916.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=439&u=12781761)

http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/12/78/17/61/th/pict0917.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=440&u=12781761)

This is a bit of spagyria in the urine path.
They tell us to add no foreign matter. Is it foreign if the matter is that which is already in the natural materia?
If one adds, say ammonia, to urine, is it foreign? This experiment will find out.
In the least, it will produce a spagyric stone, similar to Urbigerus' circulatum using tartar, alcohol and turpentine,
only I am mostly using one natural substance, but fortified, if you will, to give greater yields.

I'm always amazed at the beautiful color of putrefied urine.

edit - I almost forgot you can't really get a perspective from my pics.
That jar is like 2.5 feet tall and maybe 10 inches diameter.
I forget how many gallons or liters. I'll check next time.

solomon levi
03-20-2012, 11:34 AM
"The World, in which the matter of the Sophy is highest and best to be found,
is Man; the highest Artifice is in him, his metalline Mine is to be opened the tenth
time, the Brass which there is dug is the best and worst in Nature, the Water most
precious and most vile, the Water and Earth together, and always in themselves
joined with another thing; the Son, Birth and Seed of the most pure Bodies is born
in Man for his profit and necessity, its name is Terra.
If by your industry you have found your matter, seperate the pure from the impure,
without fire or admixtion of any other thing; prepare a Virgin earth, which ought to
be without odor, taste, color. Seperate from that the Central Salt, the Microcosmic
Vitriol, the Philosophic Venus, the Mercury of the Microcosm, the Philosophic Luna;
purify and produce out of it a Son more noble than his Parents.
Then thou wilt see the causes and reasons that impressed the Egyptians, that they
gave the Signature of Luna and Venus to Argent Vive, why they put beneath the
sign of Copper, and the character of Luna above.
The uppermost or Astral Salt is most volatile, sweet, and shines and glisters (glistens
or glitters, misspelling) like pure Silver, and its nothing else than the Silver of Sophy,
and the Mercurial Saline Spirit. But the central Salt is a Vitriol of infinite, wonderful
and ineffable Virtue, which coagulates the Argent Vive, and changes it into pure
Silver. But Venus is enclosed in Saturn's Vestment, from which she must be freed,
that she may appear naked in her Beauty to the eyes of the Artist.
From these two kinds of Salt all the Metals are generated, and here is the same
reason of the Microcosm, as of the Macrocosm.
So I have shown you the Metalline Mine in your own Body, and have demonstrated
to you how out of it, with the addition of no other thing, you may prepare Gold, Argent
Vive, Copper, Lead, etc. I shew you the way which I myself have gone; for I have seen
with a moderate and due fire produced out of this matter, the medicine of the (unread-
able word) Minerals and Animals, concerning which so many books have been dispersed
about." - Centrum Natrum Concentrum, Ali Puli


This is a nice little description.
While being very generic, it says enough if you understand our philosophy.
The work on urine is the same as that on wine.
It is the work of the four elements to manifest the fifth.
The spirit is extracted and with it the volatile salt goes over.
The phlegm is extracted.
The earth is calcined and washed/purified.
The spirit is joined to the earth to create a heaven - the king and queen bear a divine child.
That is, through circulation and/or repeated distillations, the earth will rise with the
spirit and its astral salt over the helm.
In the case of wine it is volatile tartar; in the case of urine it's a little more complex,
but the same principle.

Compare it with this work towards a medicine for people:

"Arcanum for potable gold, from urine and gold":
"He drank nothing but wine and then distilled his urine as soon as he had collected it, to
extract the common salt. He put it in a barrel, covered it and put it under a roof to rot for
12 weeks. Then he extracted the spirit and smoked off (evaporated) the earth in a sugar
glass and the true salt remained behind, which was not cooking salt, but can be found
in wine. He dissolved this earth/salt in rainwater, filtered and coagulated it gently and he
found a tasteless white salt. He took 8 lots of this salt and 1 Lot of Miller's gold, ground
them until they foamed, poured a little spirit over to make a kind of soup. Then he ground
it for another 2 or 3 hours, poured a lot (probably the measure - 1 lot) of spirit over to fully
dissolve it and go through paper. Then he filtered it and put it in a little flask, extracted
the spirit so that the remainder was like an oil. He put this in a phial, left it to stand in
Balneo for 8 weeks, extracted the spirit again, and was left with a yellow salt.
He administered 3 grains of this for all conditions." - Russenstein


Notice R's "tasteless white salt" is the same stage as Puli's "prepare a Virgin earth, which ought to
be without odor, taste, color."
One can arrive at this salt very quickly, in one day, starting with fresh urine by adding a couple
catalysts of putrefaction, as seen in the above photos. It need only be washed and dried.
With this salt as the foundation, one can make medicine, gold or alkahest, depending on
how the artist manipulates it.

Here is a comparison of the work on wine from "A Revelation of the Secret Spirit":

"And therefore before you make the water of life now rectified pass through the earth,
first wash the earth well with the water of the Phlegme so that is lose well the stink of his
burning. (As Russ did with rainwater to get virgin Venus). Then through said earth, make
the water of life rectified pass, and this do at least seven times. Then you shall have the
water of life medicinal. The more often it is passed over, the stronger it becomes.
In this water are dissolved leaves of gold and made potabile which is wonderful to
conserve the life of man, and to take away all diseases, and make the old young again."

solomon levi
03-24-2012, 03:19 AM
http://books.google.com/books?ei=TydtT7jYCISziQLGr6nKBQ&id=VJrRtht8130C&dq=how+to+precipitate+ammonium+carbonate+from+urin e&ots=r2WG-Cqzk2&q=ammonium+carbonate+from+urine#v=snippet&q=ammonium%20carbonate%20from%20urine&f=false

This is a wonderful book, not just about urine. But this part is fascinating -
Starkey's search for the alcahest.

I wanted to mention the part where he is combining offa alba/ammonium carbonate with acids...
he didn't find one sufficient. It's too bad he didn't try phosphoric acid.
I would have liked to read those results. This acid comes from the same "mine", i.e. is homogenous.
We see this working with urine - the doves of Diana acting upon our Venus -
which is to say, volatile ammonium carbonate in the spirit of urine acting upon the phosphates.

The difference between sal ammoniac and sal armoniac or harmoniac is that between
the chloride and the carbonate. But in the literature (not specifically the above mentioned book, but all of them)
this distinction is not always clear. I mean people who didn't know the difference often confused them or
thought both terms meant ammonium chloride.

ggkvarma
04-18-2012, 12:41 PM
hello mr solomon, I would like to ask a question on putrification,How do metals putrify what agents make putrification reaction fast,it is said the seed is brought out only by putrification.

Kiorionis
09-02-2012, 11:40 PM
The uppermost or Astral Salt is most volatile, sweet, and shines and glisters (glistens
or glitters, misspelling) like pure Silver, and its nothing else than the Silver of Sophy,
and the Mercurial Saline Spirit. But the central Salt is a Vitriol of infinite, wonderful
and ineffable Virtue, which coagulates the Argent Vive, and changes it into pure
Silver.

Argent Vive to mean live silver? I am unfamiliar with this term. Is it better understood as Quicksilver?

solomon levi
09-20-2012, 08:27 PM
hello mr solomon, I would like to ask a question on putrification,How do metals putrify what agents make putrification reaction fast,it is said the seed is brought out only by putrification.

Well, besides spiritus mundi, I gather that ammonia plays a role in the putrefaction of metals.

solomon levi
09-20-2012, 08:29 PM
Argent Vive to mean live silver? I am unfamiliar with this term. Is it better understood as Quicksilver?

Yes, it seems to indicate that philosophical silver (mercury, quicksilver) is changed to common silver

amoodikh
09-20-2012, 08:53 PM
Well, besides spiritus mundi, I gather that ammonia plays a role in the putrefaction of metals.

I tend to agree with Solomon. Yah...ammonia would produce a smell when is used with alchemical work...it is an odor sometimes you smell it when you are at the sea, I believe.

Corvidus
09-29-2012, 02:12 AM
The fruits of my research. Whether or not it's legitimate 'red salt of urine' is still under investigation.

crystals grown in urine. two separate batches. There is a type of mold growing above the water line on the first image.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice2b_zps209e320a.jpghttp://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice2_zpse57f5312.jpg

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice1a_zpsd047e1b4.jpghttp://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice1_zpscfca0b4d.jpg

under microscope.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_crystals_zps36907763.jpg

color is like copper when dried and collected.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_color_zps1e2aa2de.jpg

Four months later.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_FourMonths_zps2c99e701.jpg

Draconisnova
09-30-2012, 06:09 PM
The fruits of my research. Whether or not it's legitimate 'red salt of urine' is still under investigation.

crystals grown in urine. two separate batches. There is a type of mold growing above the water line on the first image.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice2b_zps209e320a.jpghttp://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice2_zpse57f5312.jpg

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice1a_zpsd047e1b4.jpghttp://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_juice1_zpscfca0b4d.jpg

under microscope.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_crystals_zps36907763.jpg

color is like copper when dried and collected.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_color_zps1e2aa2de.jpg

Four months later.
http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u502/chorvidus/th_FourMonths_zps2c99e701.jpg


Can you give more details of the way you have extracted this reddish salts?

Corvidus
10-01-2012, 01:29 AM
Can you give more details of the way you have extracted this reddish salts?

certainly.

To quote Paracelsus' Coelum Philosophorum, Third Canon:


Mars acquires dominion with strong and pugnacious hand, and seizes on the position of king. He should, however, be on his guard against snares; that he be not led captive suddenly and unexpectedly.

and a poem by Rumi:


Late, by myself, in the boat of myself,
no light and no land anywhere,
cloudcover thick. I try to stay
just above the surface,
yet I'm already under
and living with the ocean.

:)

Corvidus
10-03-2012, 01:53 PM
how familiar are you with these salts, Draconisnova?

kerkring
11-04-2012, 06:30 AM
I also did a bunch of experiments several years ago. I'd let the collected urine putrefy in open jars. Mold only grew in morning urine (collected right after waking) but not in urine collected during the day (I'm vegetarian btw) even if this had stood for several weeks. After a while some of the samples would also take on this orange color that you have and one even turned bright red, due to a high presence of the fire element according to some theories.

SolX
11-12-2012, 06:17 PM
greetings fellow explorers,

if i may add a comment or two please.

this is a fabulious thread. you are all so very close. i hope in a few months or perhapps a bit more you might "not" discover where the mercury is. (as the ancients called it). for i want a bit more time to prepare myself to run and hide from the comming events from anyone openly publishing this tool of creation. i truly fear for our fellow terrans when the wisdom of it is known. yet, as i have now said this thing. i do not wish for you wounderful fellow reserchers to be stuck in the dark. so i will throw you a bone to think on . the mercury is in the distillate. the distillate is not the mercury.

i do not belive that the alchimists of old were trying to be evasive about this. more over they simply did not know how to explane this part in words we can understand today. other then we have to seperate it and then later rejoin it with the sage salts in preforming the great works putrifacation stage. it is just my opinion and impression that the putrafacation stage is the easy part. getting to that sage is the hard part.

again forgive me for just out of the blue sky jumping in here. i do not wish to be disruptive. my excitment of Sol's thread here got the better of me. :o

Solx
terran born

Awani
11-13-2012, 12:39 AM
this is a fabulious thread. you are all so very close.

No need to be cryptic, just spill it out! :)


i do not wish for you wounderful fellow reserchers to be stuck in the dark. so i will throw you a bone to think on .

Are you saying you are the bringer of light?

:cool:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2933-Posting-Images-Videos

SolX
11-13-2012, 02:54 AM
:) hello dev. i have little idea of what bringer of light means. i like your analogie of spill it. kind of a dubble pun in there, lol. i been investigating how to post pics on here to show some examples. still not clever enough to do so. but i realy like Sol's and the others pics. some of it is a bit too yellow with a hint of green. i wounder at what level of distilation has progressed to-in purifiing the distillate. being cryptic is not intirely on pourpose. i do not get out of my cave much so it is difficult for me to comunicate. especialy this time of the year when so much of my time is taken up gathering wood for my cave heat.

i would much prefer talking about this in another thread, as i do not wish to taint soloman levis great thread any further. i do my best to be truthfull and correct. it is what we are all about now. the truth. there is a corncopia of information i wish to share. and i thank you from the bottom of my heart to be allowed to be here.

i am excited that solomon levi understands that the preperation of the fluid is a must do exercise before any work is started. this is in part as was reported of what rodger bacon had done. and i supect that it was his other half that did the wrightings. some times he was refered to in the 3rd person.

i did at one time post a pic of the fluid that can be extracted from our clean and clear distillate on another forum. http://alchemergy.grou.ps/talks/7105596

as i am more interested in the ever burning lamp then i am in the stone its self. yet the same fluid goes hand in hand.

solx
an exploring terran

SolX
11-13-2012, 04:49 AM
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/cublasolx/th_dayone4thdistillant.jpg
the vile on the left is the clear distillate. the vile on the right is oil i extracted from the clear distillate

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/cublasolx/th_4thdistillate640x480.jpg
crystals formed from the distilate only


http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/cublasolx/th_oilof4thdistillate640x480.jpg
crystals formed from the oil extracted from the same distillate

the pics are of the same magnafacations. it is remarkable. this woud indicate that the needed fluid is not saturated in the distillate and needs to be extracted in order to form a more stronger crystiline structure.


post script; special note. observe that not all the compounds in this oil will form a crystal mass. this is very important in providing the nessasary elements to preform the putrifacations.

solx
terrans can not see it all with the naked eyes

SolX
11-13-2012, 05:43 AM
thanks again dev? great post on posting pics. i am excited to be able to present thoughts better now. :) now if i can only find my you-tube vid of the reactions under scope of the putrifacation factors now. i think i hide it very well even from myself.

solomon levi
03-13-2013, 01:35 PM
http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/64/4/435.full

Karl
03-14-2013, 01:27 AM
Great article Mr. Levi. Inspiring. Not quite sure how I feel about harvesting lymphatic fluid.

solomon levi
03-14-2013, 08:05 AM
"The author then disclosed that the basic material to be used was human urine, and discussed why that was so, using the ancient and medieval parallelism between the macrocosm of the Universe and the microcosm of man. Urine contained in itself all the forms and powers of the greater world, man being ‘the true System of the Universe’."

it's pretty difficult to read the actual documents. if it's the one i'm thinking it is, i transcribed it a while back and it was quite detailed as to procedure.

Karl
03-14-2013, 11:01 AM
It is difficult to read the actual documents. I wasn't being facetious about the article being inspiring- hard to communicate tone and upon rereading I realize it might have sounded that way. The main article does make me want to start fermenting urine forthwith. I was referencing the mention of the other paper:


Three of the documents mentioned in the Minutes have now been recovered. The first one is the paper read in October 1661 by Oldenburg, and makes a novel link, scarcely noticed in secondary literature, between the alkahest and a fluid found to be present in the newly discovered lymphatic vessels.

Draconisnova
03-14-2013, 12:11 PM
how familiar are you with these salts, Draconisnova?

I have totally forget about this topic. I am not familiarized with any red salts at all, that's why i ask, i don´t even care about any color of any kind, because they are merely chimerical. But i have successively dissolved gold with my alkahest, you may say that the red color comes from it, because the gold have become spiritualized, have attain a new perfect body (red, heaven or fire). But i have not totally dissolved the gold, only partially, but it have lose is coloration becoming more whiter then is original color and lose is original mass. And this words are true, is possible to make the alkhest from urine, but is not a simple operation, it takes almost an entire year for the gold start to dissolve. And to perfect the alkahest is a Herculaneum work. And is possible to see the back color as well, is a result of art, not natural operation of any kind, you will only see that color when you want, it will not manifest itself unless you chose to, i may add just this, in order to become black something else is needed, is the blood of many, their water...the kings royal bath were he loses is garment.

solomon levi
03-14-2013, 12:22 PM
It is difficult to read the actual documents. I wasn't being facetious about the article being inspiring- hard to communicate tone and upon rereading I realize it might have sounded that way. The main article does make me want to start fermenting urine forthwith. I was referencing the mention of the other paper:

no, i didn't think so (facetious). i wasn't sure if you had read the whole thing. yeah, maybe there's 2 different lectures?? i'll have to get on a better computer to read them.

thrival
03-23-2013, 04:22 AM
SolX:

Yes, we do have Sol-Levi to thank for starting this thread, and for his very useful references. Possibly relevant to your own mentions & pics, I had another explosion a couple weeks ago. (These are always annoying, losing gal. jugs I had intentively hardened by boiling half a day.) Anyway I noticed my distillations were going slower or not carrying over at all. Rather than cranking up the heat, I should have checked my connections. I heard a long booooom. The jug lost its bottom and a gal of prior distilled gw with it's resinous crude red salt all over the floor and adding its 'aroma' to my basement. While the hose was clear of obstructions, the stopper fittings were entirely plugged by white rock! (I'm using threaded lamp rod through the stoppers.) It was a real job using a drill bit to eat through the obstruction, I can only think that this white salt that had hardened in the upper stopper/rubber elbow is the alkahest you're referring to. As you say, the real alkahest ostensibly carries over, at least according to Holland. I had been distilling over the red resin multiple times, but had I not done so, or only once, I believe the alkahest would have remained in the resin and been obtained by other purification method of the salt described by Holland. Incidentally, the resinous crude salt left after the first fermented gw distillation, has always been red for me, and reimbibing it always took the color of burgundy wine. The taste of the white salt was mostly sal ammoniac. A goodly amount was shown by True Puffer on page 2 of this thread.


greetings fellow explorers,

if i may add a comment or two please.

this is a fabulious thread. you are all so very close. i hope in a few months or perhapps a bit more you might "not" discover where the mercury is. (as the ancients called it). for i want a bit more time to prepare myself to run and hide from the comming events from anyone openly publishing this tool of creation. i truly fear for our fellow terrans when the wisdom of it is known. yet, as i have now said this thing. i do not wish for you wounderful fellow reserchers to be stuck in the dark. so i will throw you a bone to think on . the mercury is in the distillate. the distillate is not the mercury.

i do not belive that the alchimists of old were trying to be evasive about this. more over they simply did not know how to explane this part in words we can understand today. other then we have to seperate it and then later rejoin it with the sage salts in preforming the great works putrifacation stage. it is just my opinion and impression that the putrafacation stage is the easy part. getting to that sage is the hard part.

again forgive me for just out of the blue sky jumping in here. i do not wish to be disruptive. my excitment of Sol's thread here got the better of me. :o

Solx
terran born

Crowned Lion 6&4
03-29-2013, 03:54 PM
Hey I was wondering if I could get some ideas from anybody about an Alkahest I made. It was made just by cohobating the spirit on the coput mortum. It dissolved my 24k gold leaf very fast and without violence, it was a deep azure blue after it was completely saturated and couldnt dissolve any more leaf. I tried digesting this for about fifty days to get the first color black. After fifty days no other colors had appeared:( SO then I took it and distilled it off thinking something wasnt right with it and it was of no use lol after there was a fixed brown reddish powder in the coput and I tasted a tiny bit out of curiosity lol and it tasted like dirt ha but with an after taste of blood?? ANy ideas as to why it wouldnt go through the colors??Black White then Red?? The digestion was of a low heat wrapped with a heating pad.

thrival
03-30-2013, 04:49 PM
What experiment are you following? Why would gold alone need to go through any colors? It's already perfect. You might try pouring good ethanol on it and seeing what it does. You may at least have a potable gold.

Kiorionis
03-30-2013, 04:52 PM
perfect as far as the scale of metals go. But gold doesn't turn lead into gold, it's seed does (i assume), and the seed must grow in order to show its flowers.

Crowned Lion 6&4
04-01-2013, 03:54 AM
I have read many times over that the philosophers stone has to go from black to white to red. I didnt follow any method written down I just rectified the urine many many times. I tried a bit of it and there was an intense feeling in my head not bad but more just like an intense focus that ive never had before. and ya I agree with the seed of gold needing to grow lol I just could not get it to the end perfection, I am almost certain that it was the seed of gold. Does anyone think that if god would not allow it, it will never be... because he controls the power & operations of nature which is what we duplicate in our flasks but in the end it will always be at the mercy of his charity.

solomon levi
04-02-2013, 10:12 AM
just a caution here... be careful when using ammonia and gold together, specifically the precipitate gold azide which is fulminating gold (explosive). please read about it for your safety. it's only dangerous when dry.

possibly it was the proportions CL. working towards a stone, the proportion of mercury, sulphur and salt must be observed. this is just an idea, but either distill down your dissolved gold to something syrup-like and incubate, or i've read of grinding gold leaf with the salt you have - not the caput but the volatile which the ammonia carries over - and just enough ammonia/menstruum to moisten it.
i'm thinking you had too much spirit.

Crowned Lion 6&4
04-03-2013, 05:39 AM
Ohh you know what I think your right. A ton of times in Rhuesentein's book they extract off the dissolved gold until oily. Thank you solomon. You just reminded me when i distilled it off last time a skin formed on the surface maybe that was the proper amount. Hopefully God will grant it this time around. I will post pictures this go around.