PDA

View Full Version : Inside LSD



Awani
10-29-2009, 11:59 PM
LSDs inventor Albert Hofmann called it medicine for the soul. The Beatles wrote songs about it. Secret military mind control experiments exploited its hallucinogenic powers. Outlawed in 1966, LSD became a street drug and developed a reputation as the dangerous toy of the counterculture, capable of inspiring either moments of genius, or a descent into madness. Now science is taking a fresh look at LSD, including the first human trials in over 35 years. Using enhanced brain imaging, non-hallucinogenic versions of the drug and information from an underground network of test subjects who suffer from an agonizing condition for which there is no cure, researchers are finding that this trippy drug could become the pharmaceutical of the future. Can it enhance our brain power, expand our creativity and cure disease? - source (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4094/Overview)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/lsd.jpg

Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4094/Overview

:cool:

Ghislain
10-30-2009, 08:26 AM
The Government's chief drug adviser yesterday declared that ecstasy, LSD and cannabis are less dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes. Mirror Newspaper (UK) (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/29/cigs-worse-than-lsd-115875-21781381/).

Less dangerous in what particular way?

Drug use is like delving into the unknown...you could go potholing down unmapped potholes. Must be similar. It's our seventy odd years to play with.

Drugs trick the brain to produce a euphoric effect. It is false, but you have to ask yourself, “Why would the body evolve such a function”?
Creating a dependency on - if not a euphoric state under normal circumstances then a partial euphoric state; a reward system.

Is it this internal drug dealer that we call, 'the ego'?

Is it not possible for humans to operate in a logical manner without reward?

Do we really believe that a mind altered state is closer to reality than a steady normally functioning mind?
Take into account that ‘mind altered’ usually means tricked dopamine receptors!

Having experimented with most drugs...orally never intravenously...my mind sees through it as fake. Question now is,
"what is real"? :)

---------------------------------------- <- the fine line between sanity and madness.

Which side of the line are we on anyway?

Are drugs the passport to the other side of that line?

What damage may I already have done?

Can we improve on billions of years of evolution? (can we improve on the creators design? :))

Ghislain

P.S. if you agree with what I say I may get a reward :D

solomon levi
10-30-2009, 12:53 PM
Hi Ghislain.
It could just as easily be argued that we've been tricked to see "this"
reality as the only reality, or the reality that all others should be compared to.
It could also be argued that we, our brains, haven't evolved for tens of
thousands of years.

Reality = perception.
Perception = neurons firing in the brain.

I don't think it's rational to call some firings 'tricks' and others 'normal' or
'natural'. We have been trained in what to perceive since we were infants.
Sanity is merely that which agrees with the status quo.
Evolution would require entering into something that was previously
unknown, and sanity is basically appropriate behavior in the known.

I think danger is a necessary part of evolution.
I think it's sad that many have to resort to drugs because their minds
are no longer pliable enough to journey into the unknown without them.
But it could be more sad to never know euphoria.

In some shamanic paths, drugs are used to open the mind to alternate
views of reality, to break the mind from it's rusted chains of perception.
A weak person will get caught up in the drugs themselves, not realising
they are a means to an end.
But the views they provide must be given respect. If you see them as 'false' or
'illusions' or 'hallucinations', then you truly have wasted your time - the mind is
still so rigid as to deny any other view as real but its own. That rigidity is
more dangerous than drugs. That rigidity causes
people to separate themselves from others, prejudism, war, etc...

The rigid mind has killed more people than drugs will ever come close to...


They say 'balance in everything'.
But my balance will look different than your balance.
We cannot speak for others.
There are some that should stay away from drugs and some that could really use them.
Drugs have played a role in some nasty parts of human history,
but also in some of the most divine parts of human history.

If we are still evolving, our ability to synthesize drugs cannot be taken outside of that evolution.

Ghislain
10-31-2009, 09:53 AM
Sol: I don't think it's rational to call some firings 'tricks' and others 'normal'
or'natural'.

I remember a trip where I found the carving of a birds wing. It was beautifully
carved so I carried it all evening. When I looked at it the next day it was just
a piece of broken fence.

Which was real?

We don't entirely work on perception alone. There is logic to guide us too.

1 does not equal 2 even though there is some fancy trickery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero#Fallacies_based_on_division_by_ze ro) that can make it appear otherwise.

Recent research (http://www.bbsonline.org/documents/a/00/00/05/65/bbs00000565-00/bbs.dunbar.html?rel=nofollow) has shown that the size of an animals neocortex (http://genius.toucansurf.com/neocortex.jpg) (in relation to its body size)
is related to the size of the group or community in which the animal has to function.

All this said I have to agree with everything you said Sol', as anything could be the
truth. However I will go on searching for truth. It is what I do.

Ghislain

Rebus7
10-31-2009, 09:54 AM
Hello Ghislain,

Solomon speaks with much wisdom concerning “drugs”.
The so-called “reality” of the mainstream westerner is certainly a programmed consensus of society, a product of our upbringing… our parents, our teachers, the media, etc, etc. The belief and consensus support of this reality or the need to believe in this reality is very fear driven and ego self-serving. This is largely why other realities are demonized and feared. Not just fear of those states produced by entheogenic or psychedelic substances, but fear of the “other” foreigner, alien, and his or her beliefs, ideas, religions, ideologies and way of life.
All of us are subject to varying degrees of rigidity by our programmed prejudices. I can only speak from my own experiences, but I have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly associated with “drug” use, and I have learnt that everything on this planet has both positive and negative attributes. My direct personal experiences from living on the west coast in the 60’s onwards to occasional sacred use of entheogens since, has been uniformly positive in the sense of catalysts for the opening of consciousness and increasing self awareness. Many individuals will say the same. However, this does not mean that potential for abuse does not exist, or has not occurred. These powerful substances are double-edged swords and can be negative for the un-prepared in the wrong settings.

In recent years the Amazonian shamanic entheogen, ayahuasca, has received much attention. Interestingly, the active ingredient, DMT, has been shown to be widespread, not only in plants, but in animals and humans. In has been found in the human pineal gland, and it has been suggested that the natural release of this substance may well be associated with mystical states of consciousness and near death experiences. This anciently used shamanic sacrament, among others, can create experiences similar to LSD, so we should exercise great caution in judging these natural shamanic substances (as well as LSD) since they have played a powerful yet little reported role in the evolution of spirituality and consciousness in multiple cultures throughout all time.

horticult
10-31-2009, 10:05 AM
I remember a trip where I found the carving of a birds wing. It was beautifully
carved so I carried it all evening. When I looked at it the next day it was just
a piece of broken fence.
Ghislain

I remember a beautiful maiden. I loved her all night. When I looked at her after some days she was but an old hag... :D

Ghislain
10-31-2009, 10:37 AM
Rebus: This is largely why other realities are demonized and feared. Not just fear of those states produced by entheogenic or psychedelic substances,
but fear of the “other” foreigner, alien, and his or her beliefs, ideas, religions, ideologies and way of life.

I have had all those fears Rebus and possibly still possess some, but to overcome them you have to familiarise yourself with them to ensure that your fear is not irrational.
The unknown breeds fear; it's fear's lair.

I have familiarised myself with LSD on more than one occasion and I can both verify and dismiss the fears...the point is one can not say which and when.

Try it for the informed experience, but dont call it a path to reality, I would
have to disagree. Mixed with logic I have to say the broken fence piece was the reality.

I don't know if you are familiar with the film, "The Matrix"? If you are then I would refer you to the scene where Cypher is talking to Agent Smith about
being placed back into the matrix...his comfort zone, which he would prefere to his reality. This is something I concern myself with when searching for the
truth...do I only look for truth where I am comfortable when in fact the answers are in another place where I fear to tread?

That is why I like this forum, people here think outside the box.

Ghislain

P.S. Hort' was that a mind altered state or beer goggles? :D

Ghislain
10-31-2009, 10:59 AM
Rebus: This is largely why other realities are demonized and feared. Not just fear of those states produced by entheogenic or psychedelic substances, but fear of the “other” foreigner, alien, and his or her beliefs, ideas, religions, ideologies and way of life.

I have had all those fears Rebus and possibly still possess some, but to overcome them you have to familiarise yourself with them to ensure that your fear is not irrational. The unknown breeds fear; it's fear's lair.

I have familiarised myself with LSD on more than one occasion and I can both varify and dismiss the fears...the point is one can not say which and when.

Try it for the informed experience, but dont call it a path to reality I would
have to disagree. Mixed with logic I have to say the broken fence piece was the reality.

I don't know if you are familiar with the film, "The Matrix"? If you are then I would refer you to the scene where Cypher is talking to Agent Smith about being placed back into the matrix...
his comfort zone, which he would prefere to his reality. This is something I concern myself with when searching for the truth...do I only look for truth where I am comfortable when in fact
the answers are in another place where I fear to tread?

That is why I like this forum, people here think outside the box.

Ghislain

P.S. Hort' was that a mind altered state or beer goggles? :D

solomon levi
10-31-2009, 11:00 AM
I remember a trip where I found the carving of a birds wing. It was beautifully
carved so I carried it all evening. When I looked at it the next day it was just
a piece of broken fence.

Which was real?

We don't entirely work on perception alone. There is logic to guide us too.

All this said I have to agree with everything you said Sol', as anything could be the
truth. However I will go on searching for truth. It is what I do.

Ghislain


For me, logic is often illogical. It tells us to compare today's perceptions to
yesterday's. Why is that logical? Why should one have anything to do with the other?
What has the present to do with the past?
Due to the dominance of the logical ego mind, the present is always a
recycling of the past, thus the reason we stopped evolving.
The mind cannot exist in the true present. It can only exist in memories
and images, in its knowledge. And knowledge must necessarily be known,
and therefore the past. So instead of living in the true present, we live in
past images of the present - that is, the present is overlaid with our past images,
knowedge, with our mind. We don't live in reality; we live in our minds (The Matrix).
THAT is really insane if you look at it.
If we can drop our minds, we can live in the living present, without
knowledge, without images, without expectation, comparison, pre-judge-ism
(you can't pre-judge without those past images); and people would be
healthier too without guilt, shame, self-judgement...
This is really the story of the Garden of Eden. When we ate of the tree of
knowledge, we knew we were naked and we hid ourselves. That was the
beginning of the reflective mind and the beginning of a lot of troubles; the
end of Paradise (para-dis = beyond telling, beyond words/logic/mind).


By all means explore this for yourself. :)
I don't mean to be the final word on anything.

Ghislain
10-31-2009, 11:09 AM
Sol' I have to say that what you have said here is very familiar.

I have mentioned before a book by Ekhart Tolle, "The Power of Now", in which he expresses exactly your view.

I will have to read it again.

Thanks

Ghislain

Rebus7
10-31-2009, 11:14 AM
For me, logic is often illogical. It tells us to compare today's perceptions to
yesterday's. Why is that logical? Why should one have anything to do with the other?
What has the present to do with the past?
Due to the dominance of the logical ego mind, the present is always a
recycling of the past, thus the reason we stopped evolving.
The mind cannot exist in the true present. It can only exist in memories
and images, in its knowledge. And knowledge must necessarily be known,
and therefore the past. So instead of living in the true present, we live in
past images of the present - that is, the present is overlaid with our past images,
knowedge, with our mind. We don't live in reality; we live in our minds (The Matrix).
THAT is really insane if you look at it.
If we can drop our minds, we can live in the living present, without
knowledge, without images, without expectation, comparison, pre-judge-ism
(you can't pre-judge without those past images); and people would be
healthier too without guilt, shame, self-judgement...
This is really the story of the Garden of Eden. When we ate of the tree of
knowledge, we knew we were naked and we hid ourselves. That was the
beginning of the reflective mind and the beginning of a lot of troubles; the
end of Paradise (para-dis = beyond telling, beyond words/logic/mind).


Very cool, solomon
Of course, this is the view of the mystic, the enlightened One.
Not so easy to attain or maintain, but certainly outa the Matrix.

solomon levi
10-31-2009, 11:18 AM
Sol' I have to say that what you have said here is very familiar.

I have mentioned before a book by Ekhart Tolle, "The Power of Now", in which he expresses exactly your view.

I will have to read it again.

Thanks

Ghislain


I like that book. Much of what I am saying is from the point of view of
advaita or non-dualism and certain aspects of Mahayana Buddhism.
There's a lot of good books on the subject. J. Krishnamurti is one of my favorites.


Thanks Rebus7 :)


ps - As Ekhart Tolle says, the mind has its place - like picking up a tool and setting it
back down when finished. Without the mind/memory/past/images, we couldn't recognise
the symbols on this page and put them together into words and sentences... I mean we
actually understand eachother! It's amazing.

solomon levi
10-31-2009, 11:54 AM
Another of my favorite authors is Carlos Castaneda.
His teacher would trick him all the time, not out of spite or for fun, but
to challenge the certainty that Carlos had of his description of the world.

What I'm trying to say is, for the sake of freeing the mind, it serves one better
to go along with tricks - let yourself be fooled. Don't always have to
"figure it out". We have to challenge that security that comes from knowing
exactly what's going on. For Carlos, life is an unfathomable mystery, as
is each one of us. People are cursed with boredom, and we haven't even scratched
the surface of infinity. That is the tragedy of the mind.

I love it when I don't know what day it is, if it's morning or evening (happens
sometimes when I wake up), when I don't know where I am, and especially
when i don't know who I am. I like to trick myself and when I catch myself
believing in something, I'll argue it til I believe the opposite - and finally,
knowing I can believe both, I choose to believe nothing at all. If I catch myself
thinking that I am right, I'll make myself see four other descriptions that are right as well.
As Castaneda said, the world we perceive is but one description of millions
of descriptions, and being right or real is merely a matter of agreement.

As you can see, this is one of my favorite subjects. I'll stop talking for now.

It's appropriate to mention Carlos in this thread though. They labeled him the "godfather of the new age movement",
a title which he despised. But he wrote his first books in the 60's and a lot of people got into drugs because of them.


solomon

Ghislain
10-31-2009, 05:56 PM
Sol: For Carlos, life is an unfathomable mystery, as
is each one of us. People are cursed with boredom, and we haven't even
scratched the surface of infinity. That is the tragedy of the mind.

There are two things that make up who I am in that statement Sol'.
The first is that life is an unfathomable mystery and the second
that people are cursed with boredom.

Because life is a mystery I am never bored, always trying to find answers.
As I am not very good at it, it should take a while. :)
I am sure that the journey is better than the destination.

I am a little cynical when it comes to believing others to be unfathomable...
If we were that unfathomable then NLP would never work, advertisers would
be out of a job and it would be even harder for the sexes to understand each other.
Dare I say that people, in general, are rather predictable...there I said it.

A little off track, but fun nevertheless :)

Ghislain

solomon levi
11-01-2009, 12:13 AM
:D
Yes, people who are ruled by their minds, their fear, etc, are very predictable.
But they/we are still infinity, and they way we perceive
them decides who we are - if you don't see everyone else as
unfathomable, how can you be unfathomable...

The sorcerer-shamans have one way of seeing infinity as a wheel of time.
It's like an old vinyl LP, and humans have gotten stuck or mesmerised
by one particular groove in the LP. That makes them predictable, that
makes them prey... it is the shaman's task to free their perception and
explore the other grooves in the wheel of time. Thus they achieve fluidity
and cannot be preyed upon by NLPers, aliens, the powers that be or
whatever. :D

It would be too much to get into here, but the shaman seers say that our
minds are not our own; they call the mind "the parasite" or "the foreign installation".
We've been domesticated by some other intelligence; just as we domesticate
cows and milk them, so do these beings milk us of emotional energy -
again, not unlike the Matrix.

Ghislain
11-01-2009, 12:57 AM
Sol' have you read, "The Mind Parasites", by Colin Wilson.

If not it is a good read...if you can find a copy.

Ghislain

solomon levi
11-01-2009, 01:08 AM
Yes, I have. Probably 10 years ago or so, but I remember the gist of it.

Robert Monroe who authored "Journeys out of the Body" and a couple other books
on the same topic describes this same predatory domestication of human beings as well.

researcher
11-01-2009, 02:26 AM
DNA was discovered buy a scientist who was tripping off LSD.

LSD was invented buy the Germans I believe.

There have been countless studies on drugs. Though not made public there are benifits to them such as cannibis being able to balance the body's systems, cure sickness and grow brain cells. There are plants in the rainforest which when taken have such a powerful effect they alter the body as well as the soul.

I remember hearing about herbs that when taken properly could sharpen the senses and allow one to leave the body effortlessly and view auras and spirit people. These very herbs were outlawed about 6 years ago though they weren't found to be detremental in any way unless you overdosed. Its quite humorous to read the report on why they outlawed them. They give no good reasons and even make taking them sound great. Maby the FDA should attack harmful unnatural food additives before they declare the very plants god/evolution made as evil. That is what they're there for, to protect us from harmful substances. But then thats not the whole story is it?

MarkostheGnostic
11-01-2009, 07:08 AM
Ghislain:

Pure LSD is luminescent when shaken, owing to the phosphorus in it. LSD is probably the closest thing anyone will come to The Philosophers' Stone, as far as I'm concerned. After many hundreds of trips since 1971, I am one of those who have benefitted and become enhanced by Psychedelics. There is no trickery, there is only failure to interpret phenomena when one has been shifted to a new level. Psychedelics have fueled my own inquiries through 3 academic degrees, years of Jungian analysis, and 38 years of experimentation with many schools and practices of esotericism. It is Ultimate Reality - that which is Ultimately Real that is the Real issue.

Ghislain
11-01-2009, 10:35 PM
DNA was discovered buy a scientist who was tripping off LSD.

LSD was invented buy the Germans I believe.

There have been countless studies on drugs. Though not made public there are benifits to them such as cannibis being able to balance the body's systems, cure sickness and grow brain cells. There are plants in the rainforest which when taken have such a powerful effect they alter the body as well as the soul.

I remember hearing about herbs that when taken properly could sharpen the senses and allow one to leave the body effortlessly and view auras and spirit people. These very herbs were outlawed about 6 years ago though they weren't found to be detremental in any way unless you overdosed. Its quite humorous to read the report on why they outlawed them. They give no good reasons and even make taking them sound great. Maby the FDA should attack harmful unnatural food additives before they declare the very plants god/evolution made as evil. That is what they're there for, to protect us from harmful substances. But then thats not the whole story is it?

A few sources don't go a miss R'

1953 Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA. Source: (http://metabraingrowthprocess.tribe.net/thread/763d39f5-39dd-4c19-a06e-5426874f1bd5)


Albert Hofmann (January 11, 1906 – April 29, 2008) was a Swiss scientist best known for having been the first to synthesize,
ingest and learn of the psychedelic effects of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). Source: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann)

Ohio State study: Scientists are high on idea that marijuana reduces memory impairment
The more research they do, the more evidence Ohio State University scientists find that specific elements of marijuana can be good
for the aging brain by reducing inflammation there and possibly even stimulating the formation of new brain cells. Source: (http://www.osu.edu/news/newsitem2227)

Not moaning...just a suggestion ;)

Ghislian

P.S. I would like to read the report on the banned herbs

WCH
11-18-2009, 07:36 PM
LSD has as its principle psychological implication that it smashes established schemas and modes of thinking. You can see this most clearly (and amusingly) if you try to do something you normally consider to be quite simple (say, showering) while under the influence -- suddenly all the things that you normally take for granted seem absurd and it becomes very difficult to put them in the "proper" order, or to understand what would constitute or justify a proper order to begin with.

In a sociology seminar today we were discussing the concept of "cognitive economy." Basically, we develop categories and schemas in order to provide us with the most information at the least investment: there is potentially no limit to the amount of things we could think about or pay attention to, but doing so would prevent actually accomplishing anything, so we develop ways of thinking that allow for efficiency. These ways of thinking become habitual and become taken for granted, and that makes certain tasks incredibly easy to do, but can also prevent a certain degree of creativity or reflexivity in regards to those tasks.

What LSD does is to, for a short time, throw that whole thing out the window, such that it seems as if you're doing things for the first time, and while you may vaguely remember how you would normally do them, the established patterns just seem downright silly and unnecessary. This can get you into danger, because it can't be ignored that habits and thought patterns are necessary to function efficiently in the day to day world -- but it can also provide you with a profound opportunity to change unwanted thought patterns, or to allow for the acquisition of new ones. This is why it's so useful in treating addiction -- it obliterates habits and frees you up to make a conscious choice of whether or not to continue the behaviour. People who take LSD too frequently, however, tend to both lose some of their ability to think systematically/rigorously (because they're constantly being bombarded with new concepts and actively preventing their mind from making sense of it all by destroying any new explanatory structures that may arise), and grow out of touch with the culture they may have had previously.

This latter point can be illustrated by comparing cultures which integrate psychedelic use to ones which exclude it. Those that integrate psychedelics typically use them as part of date dependent ceremonies -- sometimes annually, sometimes twice a year, sometimes once per lunar cycle -- but in any case not constantly. This allows the psychedelic experience to call into question established modes of thinking and free those who participate from habits and negative thought patterns, but also allows them to go back to their life and go on living within the culture, al biet with some added perspective. American society in particular seems to lack these checks and balances... questioning, exploring and reinventing cultural concepts isn't what's expected from most people, and so doing so inevitably causes tension between you (the questioning individual) and the mainstream. In response to this tension, likeminded individuals tend to group together... and, of course, in America, that probably means that most of them are into psychedelics and probably also some kind or kinds of "alternative" spirituality, be it New Age, Pagan, Hermetic or something else. These then serve to reinforce each other, and to create a strong sense of the "alternative" subculture as distinct from the (portrayed as ignorant, commercial and even malicious) mainstream. For some this is sustainable, but others find, in LSD and other psychedelics, a clear example of the ignorance of the mainstream and the good aspects of the subculture. These few may end up using it quite frequently, and often in fact more frequently than would ultimately be ideal as far as getting from it the benefits it is, in fact, capable of providing.

The short version: LSD is a tool; use it wisely, and don't go thinking of it as a psychological cure-all, or using it constantly.

ScalerWave
07-29-2011, 03:54 AM
This is a very good documentary. I would agree with Albert Hofmann.

"LSD's inventor Albert Hofmann called it medicine for the soul. The Beatles wrote songs about it. Secret military mind control experiments exploited its hallucinogenic powers.

Can it possibly enhance our brain power, expand our creativity, or cure diseases?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJrRBWbtJZ0


"Hippies" - Documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeBGTAM4hJQ




"Our true reality is in our identity and unity with all life."
- Joseph Campbell

Awani
07-29-2011, 11:02 AM
Can it possibly enhance our brain power, expand our creativity, or cure diseases?"

It symbolizes too much of a party drug for me (blame the hippies), so personally I prefer the natural compounds more like; psilocybin and DMT as found in mushrooms and ayahuasca and I think these can transform and heal more effectively. Why take a chemical version of something that nature already provides in a natural form?

:cool:

ScalerWave
07-29-2011, 04:09 PM
Good question. The video seems to address that. LSD was derived from a plant fungus. Psilocybin comes from a fungus.

There's no substitute for experience, I guess. LSD is a transformation substance, not really a party substance like opiates.

It is interesting that psilocybin, mescalin, and DMT were around longer than LSD for sure, yet it was LSD that created the "hippie" generation.

Here's a good one on that topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeBGTAM4hJQ

Frater IA
07-30-2011, 03:15 AM
I remember reading an old recipe to make a version of LSD completely naturally, it came out in a pastelike form. Regardless, I too plan to do some work with the natural substances once my military contract is up. As I have never used any before in my life, I feel there is an important part of my initiation to a higher level of perception that is missing with these. Especially the DMT.

Awani
07-31-2011, 05:14 PM
I feel there is an important part of my initiation to a higher level of perception that is missing with these. Especially the DMT.

You are 100% correct in the above statement. Ayahuasca or to smoke DMT (latter I have not tried myself but from what I have read) is preferable... mushrooms and such are only a weaker version... and if you want results go with the strongest... ironically the stronger the substance the safer it is. One can't say that about synthetic substances.

:cool:

Awani
07-31-2011, 05:19 PM
It is interesting that psilocybin, mescalin, and DMT were around longer than LSD for sure, yet it was LSD that created the "hippie" generation.

Yes, some say about 25 000 years longer. Our race, thanks to religious dogma, moved away from psychedelics and it was only rediscovered less than a 100 years ago... then synthesized and discovered by the youth i.e. the hippies came... but things went wrong. Too much too quick and it got banned. The hippies are to blame for a lot, but in a way it was a natural reaction. Now we are smarter, now we can approach these natural substances better, with respect and humility. The legal window was so brief... but these plants can't be stopped. Our relationship with them are ancient and they are the true seed of all our current religions even if practitioners of those religions refuse to acknowledge this.

There was already a thread called Inside LSD so I merged this one with that.

:cool:

Awani
08-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Among the many people in San Francisco taking drugs in the early 1970s were members of a maverick group of Berkeley physicists who called themselves the Fundamental Fysiks Group. The young scientists dabbled in mind-altering drugs as they searched for a quantum-physics-based explanation for such phenomena as telepathy and extrasensory perception.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303936704576397511817660664.html

:cool:

Awani
01-29-2015, 05:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz9yZFtRJjk#t=87

:cool: