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solomon levi
11-15-2009, 11:06 PM
I thought my Antimony could use a good Rogerring so...
:D

This path is very similar to Valentine's. One major diff is that BV insists
on the long slow roasting to an oxide, whereas Mr. Bacon says if you don't
leave it in the Aqua Regia too long you'll be ah-ight.

Step 1: Calcination
About 2 oz Stibium was placed in a gallon flask (wine bottle);
About 11 fl oz of muriatic acid was poured on.
I don't possess nitric acid, so I used about 2 fl oz of 35% H2O2 as my oxidiser.
Shakey, shakey...
This reaction evolves heat and nasty chlorine fumes, not too much heat
though - it was nice and warm in my hands as I stood out in the cold. :)

I can't really say just how long the stimi should be left in there, but there's
a definite point where you can see the reaction slow down.
I then poured my acidic mixture through a funnel with two coffee filters.
After filling the filters two or three times, change them because the acid
will eat through.
After everything was filtered, I added a couple tablespoons or more of
potassium carbonate to a gallon of distilled water. Some just use water to
precipitate the calx; some add tartar. You decide. (IMO, I think without the
tartar it precipitates slower when you're washing.)
As you pour the alkaline solution into the acid, it doesn't fizz too much,
but be careful as you get to the top or it will overflow.

Here you can see the white milky antimony calx precipitating from the
top down. Shake it up so everything mixes and the whole flask keeps
about the same pH.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=227&u=12781761)

Continue pouring your gallon of water to precipitate. I continued to divide
it into several containers. You'll have to do this for washing anyway.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_11.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=228&u=12781761)

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_12.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=229&u=12781761)

So now you're just dulcifying the calx - several washing and changes of water,
until it's no longer acidic - just like m-state/ormus.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=230&u=12781761)

As you can see it falls/precipitates to the bottom after an hour or so,
then decant off the clear liquid and add fresh water and shake and let settle again.
Do this several times, until no more acidity. If you have a pH meter, great.
If not, give it a taste.

Tall, slender vessel like this one work really well for washing precipitate.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_13.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=231&u=12781761)

After you've washed out all the acid, you want to dry it. Then we're ready to
pour on our vinegar for extracting a tincture.
It won't hurt to concentrate your vinegar in the freezer several times.
Hopefully our calx is opened up enough and our vinegar strong enough
that we'll see a tincture after digesting for several weeks.
If not, we may want to add some sal ammoniac to our vinegar and distill,
just like you would with KM.
I'll let you know when I get there...

It almost sounds like i know what I'm doing, huh? :D

Salazius
11-16-2009, 08:40 AM
Finally you have Algaroth no ?

Ghislain
11-16-2009, 09:44 AM
Is this a purgative?

What is KM? I am atrocious at remembering abbreviations

Ghislain

True Initiate
11-16-2009, 10:24 AM
KM mean's kekring menstruum.

Theodore Kirkringus is famous for a commentary of Basil Valentine's "Triumphal Chariot of Antimony" in which he reveals some of the secrets that Basil has concealed.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/antimony.htm

One of this secret's is how to extract the tincture from antimony via vinegar.It seems that vinegar must be mixed with Sal ammoniac to receive it's vibration's (and later it must be distilled) to bridge the gap between vegetable and mineral kingdom.

Theodore Kirkringus is the one who has revealed it so it is called the "kekring menstruum".

Ghislain
11-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Thanks TP

Ghislain

solomon levi
11-16-2009, 03:52 PM
Finally you have Algaroth no ?

Yes, I believe that's correct.
An oxy-chloride of antimony. :)


Hi Ghislain,
Well, there are lots of antimony products that are purgative, but this work,
as with Basil Valentine's, takes antimony all the way to its perfection,
being comparable to potable gold and being a medicine for some metals.
If you don't know what that means, it means it has the power to transmute
some of the metals into gold. It's not the Philosophers' stone, but close.
BV called it the Fire Stone or Lapis Ignis.

This would definitely be purgative at this point, but do realise I'm not finished.
And there are cleaner versions of the purgative, like the golden sulphur of antimony.

Here is Bacon's version:

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/rbacon2.html

With my level of in/experience, I don't know what's true and what's not in this work,
but I wouldn't throw away the feces after the vinegar extraction as RB says.
I have reason to believe they are good for something. I'll see when I get there.
But obviously not everything he says is true - many people have made a good
medicine out of the glass of antimony, and he "reasons" that this is not possible.
For all I know, Bacon may not even be talking about stibnite as he mentions it
has yellow and red and blue veins and rivulets...???

horticult
11-16-2009, 10:21 PM
For all I know, Bacon may not even be talking about stibnite as he mentions it
has yellow and red and blue veins and rivulets...???
Yes, and quite similar is Fulcanelli in his Dwellings...

solomon levi
11-20-2009, 05:48 PM
Initially, it's easier to wash your precipitate in several containers, thus
getting as much fresh water to portions of precipitate as possible.
After washing a few times, you'll want to start re-collecting the precips
into one container. Then decant as much as you can without losing any
precip and pour the remainder, along with the precip, through a funnel
with a couple layers of filter paper, comme ca:

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_14.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=232&u=12781761)

Pass some water through this filter and taste a little on your finger to see
if it's acidic or salty. If not you can dry it. I placed mine in front of a space heater.

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_15.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=233&u=12781761)

http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/12/78/17/61/th/bacon_16.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=234&u=12781761)

So I'll post again if/after I've gotten a tincture.

WCH
11-20-2009, 11:25 PM
In the film Holy Mountain, there's a section about Venus, and a symbol features prominently in it which is not the symbol of Venus, but the symbol of Antimony -- the latter being the inversion of the former. I'm trying to understand what this means. Anyone have an idea? I'm not too familiar with symbolic association of antimony...

solomon levi
11-21-2009, 03:50 AM
In the film Holy Mountain, there's a section about Venus, and a symbol features prominently in it which is not the symbol of Venus, but the symbol of Antimony -- the latter being the inversion of the former. I'm trying to understand what this means. Anyone have an idea? I'm not too familiar with symbolic association of antimony...

It's an interesting subject.
Generally, iron/mars is copper/venus' opposite, and before it was symbolised
with the diagonal arrow and circle, it was the cross above the circle, as is
antimony. Is this confusion intentional?

We know from the dry path of antimony that it (antimony) initially needs
the sulphur of mars to eventually become the animated mercury. Then
they are referred to as one thing and not two.

In studying the Kabbalistic Tree of Life,

http://emeagwali.com/speeches/immortality/Qabbalah-Tree-of-Life.jpg

you can see that antimony (10) is to silver/luna (9) as copper (7) is to gold/sol (6),
whereas mars (5) is to gold (6) as mercury (8) is to silver (9).
These relationships should be contemplated.

Some have called the starting materia "our copper" and "our antimony",
though it usually doesn't intend either of these.