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Awani
12-07-2009, 04:41 AM
Speaking of secrecy (as we have these past few days) I have joined my local AMORC (http://www.amorc.org/)!

:cool:

asket
12-07-2009, 07:32 AM
hello dev,

you post made me curious about the AMORC, so i looked into the german forum where it says that there are a lot of costs like entrance fee(40€), anual membership(378€), studying material(?€), providing of studying material(?€), and extra courses(?€). i have access to a few Rosenkreutzer documents(a letter or maybe two and a few tabletts) which were all pretty enlightening, but those guys seem a bit fishy for someone who is used to get things granted. i would like to get some first hand info from you and if your local AMORC is different.
thanks in advance

Awani
12-07-2009, 07:38 AM
Yes there is always a fee... I guess they too have rent to pay for their lodges etc.

Mind you I joined today, so I can't say much at this point.

:p

horticult
12-07-2009, 09:34 PM
The era of organised hierarchic structures is over.

Awani
12-09-2009, 01:52 AM
The era of organised hierarchic structures is over.

I agree, I am mostly interested in their library... ;)

Thillum
05-28-2010, 05:52 AM
I can vouch for an AMORC initiate. I unsubsribed with some difficulty which put my account balance at $-33.00... Ultimately, the whole misunderstanding was resolved and the overdraft penalty was waived.

I can't say I remember much specific, but the whole literature was very enlightening in a very orderly fashion. I did appreciate the intention behind the series, for I feel the information was very much posturing an open state of mind to receive insight.

Weekly, very thorough, small pamphlets, averaging about 10-15 pages of substance would imbue a more expanded perception of reality... covering topics such as History of the order, lineage, symbolism, space/time, etc.

Prior to termination I had received considerable material that elevated me to the next tier in the hierarchical ascension of said status, being a Neophyte..

I've said enough. But, as a student, I intend to subscribe again soon. :D

Awani
05-28-2010, 05:55 AM
Yes they bombard you with small pamphlets on a variety of topics... still it is all stuff that I know about... so I am still waiting to see how deep they will go furhter on. It is quite costly to be a member if you are unemployed or a student, but considering the amount they send I think the price is reasonable.

/frater dev

:p

vega33
05-31-2010, 06:58 AM
I'd concur with dev here... I'm an FRC in AMORC too... what seems to be their most redeeming features is that certain of their topics they tend to focus on connect with the path common in Western/European spirituality, that being attunement or communion with the cosmic, meditation, concentration etc, which is suggested to the neophyte in terms of exercises. Definitely basic stuff @ the beginning, and their material on alchemy certainly doesn't impress me, but as far as making contact with a group of seekers who are serious about what they are studying its certainly better than some other organizations, quality-wise.

Fraternally

memphis_mizraim
06-01-2010, 12:14 AM
Yes they bombard you with small pamphlets on a variety of topics... still it is all stuff that I know about... so I am still waiting to see how deep they will go furhter on. It is quite costly to be a member if you are unemployed or a student, but considering the amount they send I think the price is reasonable.

/frater dev

:p

AMORC is a brain washing order and should be avoided. Founded on lies who's only goal is make money. I was in the planes degree's and it took me that long to find out that Lewis only dreamed his initiation in France. Sorry if i offend anyone but I am sure many on here will agree with me.

Awani
06-01-2010, 01:44 AM
I am aware of stories like that, I was so before I joined. But I enjoy experience and I like to see an order from the inside. I find it interesting. Also the subjects discussed are interesting of course.

In my opinion most things are brainwashing: culture, politics, schools etc... and I can hold my own in any environment. Some are weak and get sucked in and become blind and dogmatic due to brainwashing, I don't get this syndrome myself.

Nothing can be changed from the outside... only from within. For example that is why the US lost in Vietnam:p

:cool:

vega33
06-01-2010, 06:08 AM
I am aware of stories like that, I was so before I joined. But I enjoy experience and I like to see an order from the inside. I find it interesting. Also the subjects discussed are interesting of course.

In my opinion most things are brainwashing: culture, politics, schools etc... and I can hold my own in any environment. Some are weak and get sucked in and become blind and dogmatic due to brainwashing, I don't get this syndrome myself.


Exactly my thoughts too. I held off joining any orders at all for a long time due to stories of infighting, politics and intrigue, but an order from the inside is a different story. People are different from one lodge to the next, personal interactions may differ due to different personality types, etc. Some people you'll like, others you won't. Thats an everyday problem.

I've found the conversations with people and the facilities provided such as access to texts or similar information is where membership in an order really comes in handy, as well as providing a degree of structure to certain studies. If it doesn't provide it, you just go elsewhere. Simple as that.

III
10-10-2010, 08:58 PM
AMORC is a brain washing order and should be avoided. Founded on lies who's only goal is make money. I was in the planes degree's and it took me that long to find out that Lewis only dreamed his initiation in France. Sorry if i offend anyone but I am sure many on here will agree with me.

I must agree with memphis-mizraim on this. For a quite thorough explication of the entire occurance read THE ROSICRUCIAN FRATERNITY IN AMERICA by R. Swinbourne Clymer.

Their own very obvious telltale is that they have all those rings, ties and other paraphenalia for the recognition of each other.

III
10-15-2010, 07:16 PM
Yes they bombard you with small pamphlets on a variety of topics... still it is all stuff that I know about... sso I am still waiting to see how deep they will go furhter on. It is quite costly to be a member if you are unemployed or a student, but considering the amount they send I think the price is reasonable.

/frater deviadah

:p


I will go on record with a prediction.

Yes they bombard you with small pamphlets on a variety of topics... still it is all stuff that I know about...

That will be equally true at 1 year, 5 years, 10 years and 20 years or however long you keep sending them money. And there is the main problem. At 20 years you will have received 240 months worth of metaphysical platitudes, always waiting until they get to the real meat of the matter. That day will never come.

Awani
10-15-2010, 07:32 PM
I am aware. But I am kind of into Experientialism.

Also change can never be made from the outside, that is why the US will never succeed in their wars, because it has to come from the inside. Be it birth or death, it must come from within.

:cool:

True Initiate
04-30-2011, 07:04 AM
I support Dev in his decision to experience it first hand instead to rely only on speculations.

Don't forget that AMORC organization, as fake as their are, have spent much money and effort in searching and buying up old genuine Rosicrucian manuscripts for their library and for the construction of their grade material.
I will give you an overview of the AMORC grade material or monographies.

Before you enter the Temple you need to go through the three Atrium grades as a Neophyte.

Atrium 1
http://img193.imagevenue.com/loc135/th_145565198_1_new_122_135lo.jpg (http://img193.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145565198_1_new_122_135lo.jpg)

Atrium 2
http://img297.imagevenue.com/loc370/th_145588382_2_new_122_370lo.jpg (http://img297.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145588382_2_new_122_370lo.jpg)

Atrium 3
http://img44.imagevenue.com/loc242/th_145605442_3_new_122_242lo.jpg (http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145605442_3_new_122_242lo.jpg)

True Initiate
04-30-2011, 07:14 AM
After completing the three tasks you enter the first grade of the Temple.

http://img278.imagevenue.com/loc438/th_146315859_fin6_122_438lo.jpg (http://img278.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=146315859_fin6_122_438lo.jpg)

First Grade
http://img291.imagevenue.com/loc399/th_414562436_4_new_122_399lo.jpg (http://img291.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=414562436_4_new_122_399lo.jpg)

Second Grade
http://img46.imagevenue.com/loc222/th_145764292_5_new_122_222lo.jpg (http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145764292_5_new_122_222lo.jpg)

Third Grade
http://img258.imagevenue.com/loc398/th_145790532_6_new_122_398lo.jpg (http://img258.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145790532_6_new_122_398lo.jpg)

Fourth Grade
http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc100/th_145826305_7_new_122_100lo.jpg (http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145826305_7_new_122_100lo.jpg)

Fifth Grade
http://img217.imagevenue.com/loc1098/th_145897473_8_new_122_1098lo.jpg (http://img217.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145897473_8_new_122_1098lo.jpg)

Sixth Grade
http://img255.imagevenue.com/loc110/th_145935179_9_new_122_110lo.jpg (http://img255.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=145935179_9_new_122_110lo.jpg)

Seventh Grade
http://img147.imagevenue.com/loc91/th_146024671_10_new_122_91lo.jpg (http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=146024671_10_new_122_91lo.jpg)

Eighth Grade
http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc195/th_146042803_11_new_122_195lo.jpg (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=146042803_11_new_122_195lo.jpg)

Ninth Grade
http://img18.imagevenue.com/loc92/th_146109140_12_new_122_92lo.jpg (http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=146109140_12_new_122_92lo.jpg)

Tenth Grade
http://img244.imagevenue.com/loc215/th_146143414_13_new_122_215lo.jpg (http://img244.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=146143414_13_new_122_215lo.jpg)

Eleventh Grade (Section of the Illuminati)
http://img159.imagevenue.com/loc193/th_146207660_14_new_122_193lo.jpg (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=146207660_14_new_122_193lo.jpg)

Should i change my Avatar now in Frater T. Puffer Illuminatus ?
You tell me!

Frater IA
04-30-2011, 11:43 PM
Bwahahahaha, Well Frater TPI, you are crackin me up, lol! Congratulations, Dev, some consider AMORC fake, some consider it real, however, the reality is, that as a true seeker of the light, given true knowledge on fake pretenses breeds a true and real experience. One does not need be ordained by god (lol that that idea) to teach others of the light.

Awani
05-01-2011, 09:46 AM
Great info True Puffer!


One does not need be ordained by god...

I've already ordained myself with entheogens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen).

;)

Black Sclera
08-12-2011, 03:05 AM
I agree, I am mostly interested in their library... ;)

bump!

Awani
06-02-2015, 02:16 AM
Just watched a very good documentary on Scientology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Clear_(film)) and I can honestly say that AMORC (or other Rosicrucian orders) are the poor mans Scientology. And less threatening as long as they get their pamphlets back when you leave.

:cool:

zoas23
12-15-2015, 09:14 AM
Just watched a very good documentary on Scientology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Clear_(film)) and I can honestly say that AMORC (or other Rosicrucian orders) are the poor mans Scientology. And less threatening as long as they get their pamphlets back when you leave.

:cool:

I was looking for something else and I arrived here...

My 2 cents on the issue of AMORC:

-I have never been a member of AMORC.

-I have a Xerox copy of ALL the grades that AMORC has and all the study materials they give, they were given to me by a former member who completed all the grades and found out that he had spent a lot of money on something that was worth nothing.

-Having read the whole of their materials, I'd say that they offer nothing, except the experience of being part of something that claims to be "Rosicrucian"...


AMORC is a brain washing order and should be avoided. Founded on lies who's only goal is make money. I was in the planes degree's and it took me that long to find out that Lewis only dreamed his initiation in France. Sorry if i offend anyone but I am sure many on here will agree with me.

-I wouldn't say it's a brain washing order, but it is for sure one of those orders that have little to offer and organize their study programs to last a long time and does not treat their members as initiates, but as "clients" who are purchasing a product... and their product is mostly silly.

-Some people has an "anti-Orders" philosophy and some people has a different ideology that accepts that some Orders are useful. I'm part of this second group.
I do not believe that there's such thing as "the perfect Order" or the "only true Order" and my advice to ANYONE who has this second philosophy is to get involved with at least two unrelated Orders (or maybe at least three)... no Order is "perfectly complete", no Order is "perfectly balanced"... and some Orders are worth nothing, but it's hard to tell which ones are the ones which are worth nothing if you have nothing to compare them with.

-If I had to choose between Scientology and AMORC, I'd certainly choose AMORC!!!!

-But since the world is big and the Orders are many, I'd never even spend a single second considering to join AMORC... which is mostly a "shop" under the disguise of an Order.

-Cults and dangerous Orders are not a myth, they do exist... but I do not think of AMOR as one of them, but I do not give AMORC any kind of value either. It's mostly silly, but not really dangerous.

3+O(
12-15-2015, 04:53 PM
For those interested in Rosicrucianism, I have recently read an excellent book by Paul Sedir, History and Doctrine of the Rose Croix. (http://www.moup.org/translated_documents)