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Awani
01-03-2009, 02:09 PM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm).

I have done a lot of research into the pineal gland, and I propose that it should be possible to construct a machine that - using waves - stimulates the pineal gland directly.

Suggestions on the technologial possibilities?
This might turn out to be an interesting topic.

I'm sure you've heard of binaural beats? These can be used to manipulate the brain and cause change in your conscious state. However, I've found this method to be really ineffective and difficult to use properly. It's very possible to cause changes in the brain with binaural technology, but from my investigation these changes are much too subtle. I haven't ever used it to stimulate the pineal gland, and I really don't know if binaural technology could cause any stimulation or significant change in the pineal gland.

However, it should be possible to insert electrodes into the pineal gland and stimulate it like a muscle. This would in theory stimulate the gland like a muscle, and could be varied by modifying the voltage and frequency. It's not very feasible at all.

There are other technologies that exist. Pictures and images can definitely cause interaction with the pineal gland. Just take a look at the mandala and it's uses to achieve attainment and enlightenment. These things can enhance and exercise the pineal gland. This can be accounted for by the proximity of the pineal gland to the imagery nerves and processing centers. It's like the old saying "the eyes are a gateway to the soul." Of course it was Descartes that said the pineal gland is the seat of the soul!
Interesting...

I have also a theory that it might be influenced by waves (sound waves actually). The problem is what are the correct frequencies for these? I have, together with MythMath, done this (based on VITRIOL):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6KpXWmi590
Cool video!

I think there's more to it than just sound waves, but they might have some kind of influence over the pineal gland.

Well, what I want is to be able to influence the pineal gland with waves. You have probably read those conspiracies that the government are influencing our minds with waves of various types. True or not I think it would be cool to create such waves to influence the pineal glands of people and force their Third Eyes open.

Also as an optional path the notion of a machine that you hook yourself up to in order to stimulate your pineal gland.

There is a fictional book called The Philosophers Stone by Colin Wilson that I think you should read. Very inspiring!
I've heard the philosopher's stone is also an allegory of a FULLY activated pineal gland. We're talking about the REAL deal, and not a moderately active pineal gland. I'm not sure if Colin Wilson takes this stance or not - I'll have to read his book.
Read the book!

You shall see...

Look at this: http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=32993

theFool
03-16-2009, 06:51 PM
Suggestions on the technologial possibilities?

I could suggest the following:

-Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS). Specific regions of the brain can be stimulated by strong alternating magnetic field. The device is not invasive to the skull.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation
Known psychiatrists have induced samadhi-like experiences to ordinary people by stimulating a special place in brain (http://blog.uncovering.org/en/archives/2007/06/does_god_inhabit_our_brain.html)

-CES (cranial electrotherapy stimulation). The device sends electrical pulses from electrodes mounted on skin and interferes with the nerves. Some claim that it can alter the waves of the brain (alpha, beta, delta...) and induce sleep by applying it on the ears or eyes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_Electrotherapy_Stimulation

-Binaural beat technology. Simply, by specially designed sounds, the brain waves can be "tuned" to the desired frequency. I had my first OBEs using binaural beats.


I'm sure you've heard of binaural beats? These can be used to manipulate the brain and cause change in your conscious state. However, I've found this method to be really ineffective and difficult to use properly. It's very possible to cause changes in the brain with binaural technology, but from my investigation these changes are much too subtle.

I've found it pretty useless too for inducing relaxation and sleep. But if you try a preset on OBE you 'll get the "vibes" from the first try probably. Binaural bits technology was invented for inducing OBEs and I can testify that it really works into this field.

kerkring
04-02-2009, 02:43 PM
I've found it pretty useless too for inducing relaxation and sleep. But if you try a preset on OBE you 'll get the "vibes" from the first try probably. Binaural bits technology was invented for inducing OBEs and I can testify that it really works into this field.

I did get a very strong relaxation respons and have fallen asleep several times when using 7.83Hz binaural beat sound. After using it for a considerable time my memory recall also became much much better.

This is one of the files I used:

http://rapidshare.com/files/62426295/8_Hz.mp3

And here's the Hemisync Gateway series (not my upload):

http://rapidshare.com/users/5BLSQQ

Andro
02-18-2010, 01:18 PM
I had my first OBEs using binaural beats.

My first OBEs were spontaneous and started around age 22-23, but afterwards I used Dr. Jeffrey Thompson's binaural material and it really took me to the next level. Now I don't need external stimulation for OBE anymore :)


I've found it pretty useless too for inducing relaxation and sleep.

When I attended Gateway at the Monroe Institute, they had the option to play sleep-inducing frequencies during the night. For the purpose of experimenting, I played them, and deliberately tried not to fall asleep - but my efforts were in vain. I was in deep delta sleep within less than 5 minutes.

I think most of the Hemysinc material released by the Monroe Institute is different from what they use in-house, and their in-house material has also most likely been altered after Bob died.


But if you try a preset on OBE you 'll get the "vibes" from the first try probably. Binaural bits technology was invented for inducing OBEs and I can testify that it really works into this field.

I'm curious, what programs/devices did you use for successful OBE? I am often asked to recommend something that works well for this purpose, but I myself haven't felt the need for binaurals for a long time, so I have no idea what to recommend...

Thanks.

Ghislain
02-18-2010, 02:26 PM
Quote: "Pentagon Report Investigates Laser Beams that Put Voices in Your Head"
Source: (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=32993)

Years ago, watching a technology program they looked at a directional sound
transmitter. The problem with sound is that it has a long wave so is difficult
to target on one place. How they overcame this was to transmit a barrier of
microwaves that they could direct and send the sound-wave down the centre of it.
If my memory serves me correctly :)

They targeted people in a market place with the sound of dropping keys and
breaking glass...to see their reactions was quite amusing.

There are similar product (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2002/02/50483)s on the market today. Whether or not they use the same
technology I have no idea. just wanted to point out that it is not a new idea.

Ghislain

Ghislain
02-18-2010, 02:53 PM
Here is that devil’s advocate again :mad: jk ;)

Binaural beats are out of the human audio range. I am not sure if they all are but
most. The way this is 'supposedly' overcome is to play one frequency through one
ear and another through the other ear. These frequencies somehow mix and the
brain interprets the sound at inaudible frequencies .

I have tried binaural beat machines and feel I have has some mild success with
them, but I have to ask, is this just the fact that your mind is focused on the result
you want. How often do people just sit and relax to focus in this way?

Could it be a placebo?

Ghislain

Andro
02-18-2010, 03:08 PM
Binaural beats are out of the human audio range.

The frequencies (in Hz) are indeed out of the human hearing range, and they're not perceived as sounds, but as beats :)

The effects are associated with the beat/pulsating effect.
Shamanic drumming is used for similar purposes, and it's a BPS (beats per second) thing.
Binaural stimulation uses the difference ('beat') frequencies to project this effect directly into your brain.

Think of it as an inner brain massage :)

theFool
02-18-2010, 09:49 PM
I'm curious, what programs/devices did you use for successful OBE? I am often asked to recommend something that works well for this purpose, but I myself haven't felt the need for binaurals for a long time, so I have no idea what to recommend...


I have used the Brainwave Generator (http://www.bwgen.com/index.htm) program. There are OBE "presets" which one can download from their site and play with this program. I don't remember which one I was using back then when I had some success but in their forum one can find a lot of feedback from users.


When I attended Gateway at the Monroe Institute, they had the option to play sleep-inducing frequencies during the night. For the purpose of experimenting, I played them, and deliberately tried not to fall asleep - but my efforts were in vain. I was in deep delta sleep within less than 5 minutes.

I was using the Brainwave Generator program for inducing sleep (unsuccessfully). I guess Monroe Institute has better quality, but it depends also on the individual who uses it.

Andro
03-04-2010, 01:09 PM
More BrainWave patterns for free download:

http://healingbeats.com/beats

Andro
03-04-2010, 05:25 PM
One particularly sick idea would be to wire some sort of anal probe into the equation and simultaneously stimulate the prostate with the same beats as the pineal :eek:

Edit: Of course someone already thought of something (http://www.ohmibod.com/club-vibe.html) / similar (http://www.ohmibod.com/?gclid=CPye2vWapKACFdUp3wodWUqdag), athough not yet properly integrated into my own sick vision :D


Free your mind, and your ass will follow...

Or the other way around... or even better, simultaneously...

:eek: