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Monkeydude
12-13-2009, 09:50 PM
I'd like to know if anyone in here has any good links to sites, discussing the relationship between the alchemists in Europe and the Christian church.

Awani
12-14-2009, 03:47 PM
Here's some on the Catholic Church and alchemy...


Saint Thomas Aquinas, another Dominican friar, appears to have followed in his teacher's, Albertus Magnus, footsteps by being one of thirty-three people to be given the honorary title of Doctor of the Church. He is the most famous classical proponent of natural philosophy and created the Thomistic school of philosophy which long served as the primary philosophical approach of the Catholic Church. He attributed much to the development of the scientific theory; and, even went so far as to claim that universals could be discovered only through logical reasoning, and, since reason could not run in opposition to God, reason must be compatible to theology. This was in opposition to the generally held Platonic belief that universals were only revealed through divine illumination. Both Magnus and Aquinas might be called theoretical alchemists since they were among the first to examine the alchemical theory, but did little experimentation. - source (http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/alchemy.htm)

Also try the CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Alchemy (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01272b.htm)

As far as non-Catholic Christians are concerned many alchemists were also believers in God... although they might have read the Bible in a different manner (seeing the symbolism etc). Have a look at Jakob Böhme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Böhme).

Also see this thread: The Word of God (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=974)

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Monkeydude
12-15-2009, 12:19 AM
Here's some on the Catholic Church and alchemy...



Also try the CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Alchemy (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01272b.htm)

As far as non-Catholic Christians are concerned many alchemists were also believers in God... although they might have read the Bible in a different manner (seeing the symbolism etc). Have a look at Jakob Böhme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Böhme).

Also see this thread: The Word of God (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=974)

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Yeah, i found out that they believe in God to some extent, by reading about the hermetic traditions, which they apparently were pretty interested in.

Dizardos
12-16-2009, 01:13 PM
Alchemists are the Architects of all major religions. It never was meant to be understood by all and thus a multiplicity of ideas has sprung from the interpretations of the One Universal Science. If there was an easy back entrance, I would assume it would be very crowded there, but unfortunately and fortunately there is not.

You have chosen one of the most difficult topics that exist to write your report about, that is if you wish to represent the facts accurately. Most do not even find the answers after a lifetime of searching. I cannot offer you any easily readable overview. Almost all of them happen to be inaccurate. I can only wish you good luck.

Awani
12-16-2009, 04:01 PM
You have chosen one of the most difficult topics that exist to write your report about, that is if you wish to represent the facts accurately. Most do not even find the answers after a lifetime of searching. I cannot offer you any easily readable overview. Almost all of them happen to be inaccurate. I can only wish you good luck.

I am glad someone else also said this, and you can see that it is the same as I told you in PM. There is no quick fix for this essay you want to do... alas... but good luck!

Daunting is the best word I can think of.

If you are writing it in English it would be great if you can post it here on the forums (when finished), then you can get real feedback! ;)

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Awani
12-16-2009, 05:09 PM
Here you go...


It was about this time [the 13th century] that the science fell into grave disrepute, for the alchemist's claim to transmute metals offered great possibilities to any rogue with sufficient plausibility and lack of scruple to exploit the credulity or greed of his fellow-men, and there proved to be no lack either of charlatans or victims. Rich merchants and others greedy for gain were induced to entrust to the alleged alchemists gold, silver, and precious stones - which they lost - in the hope of getting them multiplied, and Acts of Parliament were passed in England and Pope's Bulls issued over Christendom to forbid the practice of alchemy on pain of death, although Pope John XXII is said to have practised the art himself and to have enriched the public treasury by this means. - source (http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/arr/arr05.htm)

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sleeveless
12-17-2009, 04:02 AM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/jassgo/6a00d8341bffb053ef00e5537207e68833-.jpg

i dont know what it is i foud it when i was looking

asket
12-17-2009, 05:51 PM
take a look at this if you can find it:

Theisen, Wilfrid. "The attraction of alchemy for monks and friars in the 13th-14th centuries", The American Benedictine Review, 1995

Monkeydude
12-21-2009, 10:12 AM
I'm almost done with my project, i just need one thing. I need to explain the religious and magical frame of understanding, as the alchemists had to work with, and then assess Roger Bacon's importance as a scientist.

Can anyone help me with this, because i can't seem to find anything (yet again) :S

asket
12-21-2009, 05:59 PM
Roger Bacon is supposed to be a former Incarnation of the person that was known as Count of Saint Germain. The magical and religious frame you are talking about is more or less written down in the Kybalion, called the "Seven Hermetic Principles". you can also look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element
below "Classical elements in Greece" there is a graphic about hellenic physics (usually it's turned 90° right with air on top) which can be studied.
if you are not too lazy, this should be finished soon :p

asket
01-12-2010, 03:06 PM
man, you're really slow

Ghislain
01-13-2010, 03:20 PM
Asket

Are you awaiting the return of
Monkeydude?

Ghislain

asket
01-14-2010, 12:32 AM
hi Ghislain,
yeah i was looking forward to read his essay, but i guess he hasn't finished yet.