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Ghislain
12-20-2009, 12:49 AM
Hi all

I have just made some spirit of wine from a bottle of Merlot Sicilian Wine

For the set up (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/album.php?albumid=27&pictureid=99) A WKD bottle was used as the flask and a jam-jar as a
reciever cooled in ice water. :)

You may laugh but it worked :p

The flask was placed into a saucepan of cooking oil to spread the heat more evenly.

1/4 of a bottle was distilled at a time and each batch took about 20 mins,
plus 5 mins for each set up. So with cleaning up I guess it took about 2 hours.
Not sure if that is an efficient way to do it?

200ml of distilate (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/album.php?albumid=27&pictureid=100) was captured, although the wine was only 13% by volume and was 750 ml.
Now there is double the volume of liquid than the alcohol contained in the bottle.

It is assumed that all the alcohol was retrieved but that is probably wrong.

The question now is how to get the alcohol purer? Distill again or use potash?

Ghislain

Ab Roek
12-20-2009, 01:13 AM
Ghislain,

Interesting setup. What kind of tubing did you use to connect the two?

Also, I see a cork in the top of the flask. How did you fit the tubing into the cork? Did you use any grease or lubricant?

AB RK

memphis_mizraim
12-20-2009, 01:16 AM
Hi all

I have just made some spirit of wine from a bottle of Merlot Sicilian Wine

For the set up (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/album.php?albumid=27&pictureid=99) A WKD bottle was used as the flask and a jam-jar as a
reciever cooled in ice water. :)

You may laugh but it worked :p

I placed the flask into a saucepan of cooking oil to spread the heat more evenly.

I distilled 1/4 of a bottle at a time and each batch took about 20 mins,
plus 5 mins for each set up. So with cleaning up I guess it took about 2 hours.
I am not sure if that is an efficient way to do it?

I got 200ml of distilate (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/album.php?albumid=27&pictureid=100), although the wine was only 13% by volume and was 750 ml.
Now there is double the volume of liquid than the alcohol contained in the bottle.

I am assuming that I have all the alcohol but that is probably wrong.

The question now is how to get the alcohol purer? Distill again or use potash?

Ghislain

Well done interesting work. I would put it in the fridge and any water will freeze in the solution.. You can also distill again.

Ghislain
12-20-2009, 01:44 AM
AR I drilled a hole through the cork and then glued it in. The tubing was a basic
clear plastic tubing use on pneumatic machines, I used the same tube to make
the nitric acid :eek: Maybe not a good choice :o

Thanks MM, I did try the freezing method with some vodka, wasn't sure
if it was good enough hence this attempt.

Ghislain

Ab Roek
12-20-2009, 04:26 AM
Ghislain,

The reason I was asking about the tubing and the lubricants was that your distillate looked a little cloudy. Since you appear to be new to the process of distilling alcohol, I would not recommend that you use that cloudy distillate to make medicines which you plan to take internally.

It's always fun to create your own rigs for this type of stuff though. Bravo.

Sincerely
AB RK


AR I drilled a hole through the cork and then glued it in. The tubing was a basic
clear plastic tubing use on pneumatic machines, I used the same tube to make
the nitric acid :eek: Maybe not a good choice :o

Thanks MM, I did try the freezing method with some vodka, wasn't sure
if it was good enough hence this attempt.

Ghislain

Ghislain
12-20-2009, 09:57 AM
AR could it be that there is water in it.
As it was distilling it kept going from
clear to cloudy and back.Was not sure
why.

Thanks for the advice.

Ghislain

Fireball
12-20-2009, 11:07 AM
Hi all

I have just made some spirit of wine from a bottle of Merlot Sicilian Wine

For the set up (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/album.php?albumid=27&pictureid=99) A WKD bottle was used as the flask and a jam-jar as a
reciever cooled in ice water. :)

You may laugh but it worked :p

I placed the flask into a saucepan of cooking oil to spread the heat more evenly.

I distilled 1/4 of a bottle at a time and each batch took about 20 mins,
plus 5 mins for each set up. So with cleaning up I guess it took about 2 hours.
I am not sure if that is an efficient way to do it?

I got 200ml of distilate (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/album.php?albumid=27&pictureid=100), although the wine was only 13% by volume and was 750 ml.
Now there is double the volume of liquid than the alcohol contained in the bottle.

I am assuming that I have all the alcohol but that is probably wrong.

The question now is how to get the alcohol purer? Distill again or use potash?

Ghislain

Hi Ghislain,
I worked with distillation of alcohol.
750*0.13 = 97.5
It means there should be 97.5 ml of pure alcohol.
If you got about 200 ml of distillate that means that your alcohol is about 50% strong. It's ok if it's unclear and cloudy for the first distillation because it contains oils, acetone,methanol and many other unpleasant stuff. Make another distillation at lower temperature - about 80 degrees celsium. It will make your alcohol 80-90% strong.

You should also separate the Head and the Tail. The Head is the first part of a distillate(about 3% of whole weight). It contains acetone and methanol(highly toxic) and distilles out at lower temperature than ethanol. The Tail is the last part of a distillate(about 7%) that contains the oils, that make your alcohol look cloudy.
You can collect the Head and than to change the receiver to collect the Body(ethanol). When you see that no more alcohol distilles out at the same temperature, that means that almost all ethanol is distilled and what is left is a water and oils(the Tail). That is the time to stop your distillation.

If you work with large amount of starting material, than you can collect all the Head and use it as flammable liquid. And you can collect all the Tail and purify it by distillation and to get more ethanol. But it's not worth with 750 ml botlle of wine. :) So use just the body!

It will not work with the freezer, because even 40% vodka doesn't get frozen at this temperature.

From my experience the second disstilation produced 87% strong alcohol and the third distillation makes - 91% strong alcohol. So i think it is better to use potassium carbonate for third distillation to get 96% pure alcohol. Didn't try that, yet!

horticult
12-20-2009, 02:26 PM
Study some moonshine faq.

Theoretically use cca 78oC and take the first 1/5, cuz it starts on cca 90% and then will decrease gradually.

Ghislain
12-20-2009, 02:47 PM
Thank you for the extra tips BD and Hort'

I will begin this in a moment

Will let you know the result.

Ghislain

horticult
12-20-2009, 02:55 PM
http://www.copper-alembic.com/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=144

horticult
12-20-2009, 02:59 PM
http://www.crscientific.com/condensers.html

Ghislain
12-20-2009, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the links Hort' but the 1st one wanted
almost as much as the item for shipping.

That deserves a tut! :)

The second one I would not know how to use.

Lab equipment is expensive! :(
Jam-jars are cheap :)

When I feel more adept I may fork
out on some nice equipment.

Ghislain

horticult
12-20-2009, 04:22 PM
Just connect it to a tap water and 4 your setup is enough if the water will be only dripping.

With your current setup you can experience small explosion.

Ghislain
12-20-2009, 07:25 PM
The head of the Spirit of Wine was taken off.
A small sample of this was dripped onto a dinner
plate and ignited. Very flamable :)
See it here (http://genius.toucansurf.com/head of S.o.W.wmv )
Movie opens on click.

Ghislain

Ghislain
12-20-2009, 09:11 PM
Re-distilled Spirit (http://genius.toucansurf.com/clear spirit.jpg) separating
the head and tail as Bubu Dwarf suggested

Finished with 75ml - 10%

While distilling there was not a constant fuming of spirit
but rather it came in bursts. Some were so strong it blew
the cork out of the bottle. Is this normal?

Ghislain

horticult
12-20-2009, 11:43 PM
y
thats was that small explosion /with bad karma it will broke the jar and it will ignite.../
alcohol is flamable cca from 50%, just pour on the desk and use zippo...

Ghislain
12-21-2009, 06:35 PM
I made a film about Potash & Spirit of Wine,
which will open when you click here (http://genius.toucansurf.com/SoW and potash.wmv)
I was not sure which post this belongs to so
I thought I would post it in both as it is only a link :)

Ghislain

Ghislain
12-21-2009, 06:43 PM
Although it appeared that the impurities in the potash
stayed with the potash. I did drip a tiny drop of the alcohol
on my tongue. It was hot...but then pure alcohol would be
hot too; would it not?

Ghislain