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LeoRetilus
01-27-2010, 09:07 AM
From:http://www.asc-alchemy.com/hudson.html

"I began to dig into Egypt because in Egypt they were very careful recorders of information. The Egyptians were very methodical, very systematic and they recorded in stone, and so their recordings were very important, and they were kept for a long time. This is from The Book of the Dead, this is the oldest Book of the Dead, it's called "The Book of the Dead and the Papyrus of Ani". It's by Budge, the curator of the British museum. This is in the Papyrus of Ani, and the only reason, this is just a few of the pages, but what I am wanting you to see is the "what" and "is it". This question is being asked, they're talking about the changes that are going to occur as the godlike being, the Pharaoh, ascends to heaven, and they keep repeating this question. Move it on over where we can read the other side. They're talking about taking the tchefa food of the Gods, which produces the tchefa food of the Gods, behind the shrine, "Oh yea Gods who are in the Presence", it was called the Bread of the Presence. "I shall come into existence among you", and then, what then is it? You know, "which comes forth from the phallus of Ra".

This is all symbolism, you got to not get into confusing the symbolism with what they're writing here. Their actual concept of the Creation was the "semen of the Father", who was Ra, the semen of God mixed with the blood, and they actually have him taking a knife and performing a circumcision on himself, and the blood and the semen mixed together. And that's how the world came into existence, how life began according to the Egyptians. And it is the semen of the Father in heaven and the material world, or the light and the material body. Anyway, I think we've got one more slide on it. And I ask you just get a copy of the "Book of the Dead and the Papyrus of Ani", and you'll see 40 pages of "what is it", "what is it", "what is it", "what is it". They make a few statements, they say so "what is it?", they make another group of statements, "what is it?", another group of statements, "what is it?" You know, they're talking about becoming triumphant, you know, over the evils, and ask the question, "What then is it?" The day of the fighting of Horus who is the sun of God, and they're throwing excrement in the face of Horus, and carrying off the testicles of Seth. Well the testicles are also associated with the Grail, you know, the wounding in the thigh is always the symbol, the testicles are the semen of the Father in heaven. We're from testicles, and so the wounding in the thigh is the losing of your testicles. It's the non-reproductive capability and that's why it's always associated, these phallic symbols, everybody tries to say it's associated with reproduction, and the male concept. It's not, it's associated with this. They were talking about the Eye of Horus, they ask, "What then is it?", the Right Eye of Ra. And curiously enough, I wanted to show you here, that the hair right here is actually the symbol, "who raises up the hair", this is the enlightening or opening of your eyes so you can see. And what they're referring to here is that Thoth raises up the hair there and "he bringeth it, the living, healthy and sound without defect of the eye". What he's talking about is opening the third eye, the lifting the eyelashes of the third eye, and you literally know all things, and see all things, and understand all things even though your two eyes here can't see it. Okay? Let's keep asking this question, "What then is it?" And, you know, it's just kind of strange coincidence, when you find they say two or three sentences, and then they ask the question, "What then is it?", they say another couple sentences and they ask the question, "What then is it?" And it's very understandable that the Hebrew people, when they left Egypt, they had been there for 5 and 6 generations, would call it by the very same name, the "What then is it?" And the word Ma-Na, if you look in the Travels of Josephus, he defines it in there as a question that literally translates to "What then is it?" The word Manna means, "What then is it?" The very same thing that the Egyptians were calling it in Old Kingdom Egypt, which was before the Bible."-David Radius Hudson

LeoRetilus
01-27-2010, 09:43 AM
Manna can be different things, it can assume different forms and many things have been called manna. Basically if it had otherworldly powers and people wondered what it was they would say, "what is it ", or say "man-na".

It could be truffles, or lichens or mosses or the the tamarix tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarisk) which some sources say was manna or a sap derived from it and this tree in particular comes the closest to the descriptions in some of the oak thread imagery (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1220) in my opinion as well, maybe even more so than a mistletoe .

Most agreed upon sources say manna was a dew or a substance sandwiched between dew. And maybe by that they meant sandwiched molecularly. But I see a commonality between all these items and that is in their waters, in that they are all mineral, well mostly, except for maybe the dew, and it maybe even contains the most volatile of the minerals that consist of these waters. We know that these waters are alkaline and that from them we can extract the mercury principal. We know these waters are essential to life and that the first life may have sprung from them. And we know that these waters and their derivatives go on to form minerals in the form of crystals and metals, some of which is bound up as volatile liquid in the crystal lattice (http://www.springerlink.com/content/h012v738461g271v/)and even fossil fuels as these waters ferment. Then its no wonder that alchemists went looking for these waters in plants, animals, minerals, coal(bitumen) in tracing them through the cycle of life of this planet, and so it would make sense that where we have water we have life, but plain H2O only hydrates these waters create and sustain life.

rockfate1111
01-27-2010, 10:34 PM
In a good translation of the book of Exodus, translated directly from Hebrew to English, it states: -the manna would descend on to the rocks with the dew of the morning... the Israelites would gather it from the rocks after the dew dried in the morning sun and would bake it into their bread. There are hints that this helped enlighten them and drew them form their "sinful" nature.

I have studied the history of manna/mzkft for a while and find the subject very interesting.

Peace,

LeoRetilus
01-27-2010, 10:57 PM
I've read that translation as well, but another I read said that the the dew also resembled hoarsfrost and would disappear(deliquesce) when the sun rose. But maybe its just this simple:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/gas14.jpg

Notice the white coating is only on one side, in an arc circle fashion maybe this is where the dew is baked into the rock as the sun rises and the rest of the dew not in contact with the sunlight evaporates as the day warms up.

And if it is maybe then that explains why in my dream the "flour" was everywhere laying on the stone steps.

Bread of The Presence (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1267)

I think I'll bake a loaf today, maybe even throw in some mercurial waters and some oil of gold :)

LeoRetilus
01-28-2010, 12:27 AM
Quoted by David Hudson: They were talking about the Eye of Horus, they ask, "What then is it?", the Right Eye of Ra. And curiously enough, I wanted to show you here, that the hair right here is actually the symbol, "who raises up the hair", this is the enlightening or opening of your eyes so you can see. And what they're referring to here is that Thoth raises up the hair there and "he bringeth it, the living, healthy and sound without defect of the eye". What he's talking about is opening the third eye, the lifting the eyelashes of the third eye, and you literally know all things, and see all things, and understand all things even though your two eyes here can't see it.

So where then is this third eye located. In my opinion and the opinion of others:



...Now the cells of all living beings emit photons at a rate of approximately 100 units per second and per square centimetre of surface area. It is DNA that is the source of this photon emission. DNA’s entrance within the human body is via the light receptor, which is the pineal gland, the single eye


It lies here : the pineal gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland) but more specifically it is the Corpora arenacea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora_arenacea)(follow link) or "brain sand", that will calcify by your 3rd of 4th decade, in my opinion you must infuse this gland with as much of these mannas by holding them in your mouth and letting them absorb sublingually so they will get to your brain more directly, before it fully calcifys :D

Could this sand be the True Stone of the Wise?

LeoRetilus
01-28-2010, 01:31 AM
Tons of archetypes start coming to mind, no pun intended

Let me name a few:
You know how that saying goes that when a person gets old he gets set in his ways, and also the saying "well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks", could it be because this gland has calcified. If the third eye is truely the connection to the supernal light that is God and wisdom and truth , then one would want this eye/gland to remain as a childs, maybe then thats what Jesus meant by only those who are as a child can enter the kingdom of heaven.

A book also comes to mind : The Golden Compass, and just in the name one can draw a deep alchemical connection in which a compass guides us "our moral compass" and "Golden" as in perfection, the perfection of metals . But there are many other archetypes present in it as well, that are highly alchemical. Most notable is that the story is set in a parallel universe where there is a "dust" that is magical and it is responsible for the daemons who walk side by side with humans as a physical mainfestation of their subconcious minds. In the story a childs daemon remains dynamic and doesn't not settle, but as the child ages and begins to see the world as the adults do in a more stagnant and dross way all the wonder and joy begins to leave them and their daemon settles in the form of a specific animal.

This dust in our world then is much the same, as it will open your third eye to the knowledge of your subconsious and the knowledge of God which is eternal and timeless.

Ghislain
01-28-2010, 12:00 PM
Hi leo

I enjoyed your analogy of the dynamic daemons of the children to the stagnant demeanour
of the adult and association between this stagnation and the fossilisation of the pineal.

I loved Pullman’s, “His Dark Materials trilogy" and I felt that was what he was
trying to imply too. I like to think my Daemon still has some dynamism. :)

Some animals portray the pineal gland as an actual third eye as can be clearly seen on this
frog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frog_parietal_eye.JPG)

The pineal gland has some other amazing characteristics too. It:


Regulates circadian rhythms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm)
has been linked with aging.
represents evolution’s earlier approach to photoreception.
has profuse blood flow, second only to the kidney.
produces melatonin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin ) stimulated by darkness and
inhibited by light.
is thought to be critical to the function of the yogic posture,
Khecarī mudrā (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khecar%C4%AB_mudr%C4%81)

Historically, its location deep in the brain suggested to philosophers that it possessed
particular importance This combination led to its being a "mystery" gland with myth,
superstition and occult theories surrounding its perceived function.; and all this from an
organ about the size of a grain of rice (5-8mm) in humans.

Source: Wikipedia.com

Shaped like a pine cone; there is much symbolism related to the PINE-al gland some of
which you can see here (http://www.crystalinks.com/pineconepineal.html). (edited link 14:25 GMT)

Dr. Jennifer Luke from the University of Surrey in England has done some studies (http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/) on the
effects of fluoride on the pineal gland and found that animals treated with fluoride had
lower levels of circulating melatonin, as reflected by reduced levels of melatonin
metabolites in the animals' urine. This reduced level of circulating melatonin was
accompanied - as might be expected - by an earlier onset of puberty in the fluoride-treated
female animals.

A link I found entitled, ”THE ANTIDOTE TO GET THE FLUORIDE OUT OF THE PINEAL GLAND (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=71856.0)
suggests that SHILAJIT” should be used and gives links to a full article about Shilajit (http://www.jivaka.com/org/docs/paper/Talbert%20Paper.pdf)

I only heard about Shilajit for the first time yesterday mentioned by Androgynus on this
forum, and here it appears again. There is definite wyrding going on :)

I will focus on my pineal gland when I meditate in future.

Thanks Leo

Ghislain

horticult
01-28-2010, 12:57 PM
Check you toothpaste, water provider and where this madness started...

LeoRetilus
01-28-2010, 08:22 PM
Defintely, some wyrding going on I just woke up and was thinking about brushing my teeth and a little voice told me, ...what about the flouride?....and I started thinking about that connection as well. And i started wondering why they put flouride in it and in the water as well, as Horticult just mentioned, and I started thinking "conspiracy", again. Then I open this forum and thats the first thing I read about. Very Wyrd. I have noticed a change in me when I move to an area where they don't put flouride in the water.

Androgynus' Shilajit post is what prompted me to start this thread and talking about mines as well, I'm glad you noticed the connections too.

And that was a great post Ghislain, I drew the pine cone connection as well, and even the egyptian symbol for the shrew/show bread fits because its an elongated pyramid as well.

LeoRetilus
01-29-2010, 08:02 AM
Here is a picture of some egyptian hieroglyphs in which the conical shew/showbread is depicted:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/tw/cone01.jpg

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/tw/181.jpg

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/tw/sothic05.jpg

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/tw/Sothic02.jpg

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/tw/Anubis.jpg

Notice the ankh is always pictured side by side with the shewbread. And the human is offering the shewbread to a God and usually to Anubis, this I believe to indicate to mean to put it under the tongue. But you may also notice that the god is holding an ankh at the end of a staff to the mans forehead. I believe, as well as it is the assertion of others that the ankh is a sonic /sound device and maybe it is meant as an aid for de-calcification of the pineal gland/third eye along with the shewbread to remove its defect, kind of like how they remove kidney stones today. And maybe the shewbread is shaped like that (a mountain) to indicate where it should be harvested from and is in fact an indication of Shilajit.

Seth-Ra
01-29-2010, 09:10 AM
I could be highly off, but the upwards pointing triangle has been a symbol of fire for a long long time, so i was thinking that if it has something to do with dew, as mentioned before, perhaps its by fire that one extracts the powder/flower/manna. I mean, if they just put a symbol of the sun up, it would be to obvious, and someone holding fire in their hands as a food offering, implies it to be made from a secret fire, i would imagine. :)

i do like the idea of the ankh being a sonic/sound device... might have to buy one now and see... :D

~Seth-Ra

LeoRetilus
01-29-2010, 10:15 AM
That's a good interpretation maybe of value, but if one looks more closely at the symbol where it is carved into the stone there is a hole at the base as to indicate a cave. The more and more I read about Shilajit and Gur the more I am convinced they used it to make the bread of the presence and their gold. Too many other cultures revered this material for healing and longevity and communication with God as well as being very highly regarded by the classic alchemists as the mother of metals : Butter of The earth (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=6714&highlight=golden+chain#post6714)

Seth-Ra
01-29-2010, 10:24 AM
I agree with you Leo, i think (to give some more credence to "orme" stuff...) that in many caves, there is a good deal of humidity also, so some of this material could be "carried by the wind", and placed by the "dew", dried and all by sun, absorption and adaption, leading it to be what it becomes. Break everything down, and its the same material, essentially, so it then is always around us, we just cant see it. (which would mean its "charged" by the suns heat and radiation, carried in the wind, dropped or placed by the water/rain/dew/snow, etc... to settle in the earth, becoming particular kinds of earth, given proper time.) ;)

"There's something in the water..." Yep, and it requires fire to see it. ;) (fire of enlightenment/information, and also to prepare and bake it. :D )

Pretty sure there are no caves around my area, not that i work with metals anyway, but i hope some of yall can get some samples to work with, id love to see the results. :)

~Seth-Ra

LeoRetilus
01-29-2010, 09:21 PM
Hi everyone, I know this is going to seem really far out there, but something very strange is happening. Feel free to just blow this off and call me crazy.....and maybe you can owe this to my hispanic background, lol. I know how people from Mexico are always seeing the Virgin Mary in grilled cheese sandwiches and chocolate drippings and stains on concrete overpasses, but I promise I had nothing to do with this. I was just looking at the pictures I took and posted on the Success Thread last night and noticed this.....has anyone else experienced a psychoactive connection with their GW as it putrefys. I noticed some weeks ago that the oil that rises to the top spins when I look at it,as if there is somekind of vortex energy present and sometimes the oil has arranged itself into an ouroboros-like shape or an infinity shape(sideways figure eight). And thats one thing that could be totally open to interpretation, but this one is very "blatant."

http://xs.to/image-1B87_4B62072F.jpg

http://xs.to/image-079B_4B63550C.jpg

Very WYRD

Ghislain
01-29-2010, 10:06 PM
That is spooky Leo

Has that just formed on there like that?

Ghislain

LeoRetilus
01-29-2010, 10:57 PM
Yes, but I never looked that closely at the glass before and if I hadn't posted those pictures I would have never seen it, it formed as the GW level droped due to evaporation, it left a resinous sulphur behind stuck to the glass. I posted those pictures last night around the same time that I posted the shewbread/ankh pictures on this thread, then I went back and looked at them again and at that time I was simultaneously researching more about the history and significance of the ankh, so the symbols were fresh in my mind, then I saw them on the glass...at first I wasn't going to say anything and thought to myself," maybe I just tired." But they were there today as well.

Awani
12-27-2011, 02:57 AM
One theory:


The magical food called manna in Greek, from the Hebrew man (MN) was supposedly named for the astonished question, "What is this?" (MN HWA) when it miraculously appeared to the Israelites; for it was also the answer, "This is what." ...

... It is even possible that the Greek word amanites itself, i.e., Amanita, which has no Indo-European etymology (mukes or mykes being the Greek word for mushroom from the Indo-European root) was assimilated from the Hebrew man; amanites does not occur in Greek before the Hellenistic period, although it became the common word for "mushroom" in modern Greek as manitari. - source (http://csp.org/chrestomathy/apples_apollo.html)

:cool:

Ghislain
12-27-2011, 10:28 PM
.. :) ..

Bennu Lugh
12-28-2011, 04:00 AM
Leo - I'm hoping you're still active here and I'll send you a PM momentarily but since my questions really pertain to this thread, I'll post them here as well.

First - I wish I could have seen the pics you have posted above - not sure if it's just my computer or if they were pulled from the hosting source.

Second - I would really love to hear more about the ankh being a sonic device. My personal hypothesis of the universe requires sound to create and recreate the universe.

solomon levi
12-28-2011, 04:53 AM
The bread of the presence is also an essential to understanding Jacob's dream.
He lay down in "the place" - HMQVM. This is synonymous with "the presence",
the shekinah, the new testament paraklete/comforter, the dove, the lamn...


Manna is MN in hebrew which = 90:
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1/hg0090.htm#90

90 is the number-letter tzaddi, a fish-hook, the fish = mercury.
MN (90) is actually MIM, the letter M = water, and NVN, the letter N = fish.

Many, too many, associations to write.

Bennu Lugh
12-28-2011, 06:34 PM
The bread of the presence is also an essential to understanding Jacob's dream.
He lay down in "the place" - HMQVM. This is synonymous with "the presence",
the shekinah, the new testament paraklete/comforter, the dove, the lamn...


Manna is MN in hebrew which = 90:
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1/hg0090.htm#90

90 is the number-letter tzaddi, a fish-hook, the fish = mercury.
MN (90) is actually MIM, the letter M = water, and NVN, the letter N = fish.

Many, too many, associations to write.

Jacob? As in Jacob's Ladder?

solomon levi
12-28-2011, 07:56 PM
Yes, that's correct.
http://biblos.com/genesis/28-11.htm

it says he took of the stones of the place.

Wikipedia:
HaMakom"The Omnipresent" (literally, The Place) (Hebrew: המקום)
Jewish Tradition refers to God as "The Place" to signify that God is, so to speak the address of all existence.

It is commonly used in the traditional expression of condolence; המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים HaMakom yenachem etchem betoch sh’ar aveilei Tziyon V’Yerushalayim—"The Place (i.e., The Omnipresent One) will comfort you (pl.) among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem."

Bennu Lugh
12-29-2011, 12:35 AM
Interesting. Moses had the same epiphany at the burning bush, when he was told that the name of God was "I am" or "to be", i.e. all of existence.

Are there any travelling men in this forum?

Andro
12-29-2011, 12:46 AM
Are there any traveling men in this forum?

There's travel and there's travel :)

Traveling where?

Bennu Lugh
12-29-2011, 12:51 AM
To the East.

solomon levi
12-30-2011, 11:13 AM
Travelling men?
Pilgrims.
Transients.
Passers-by.
I am self-initiated.

rogerc
12-30-2011, 03:53 PM
I travel towards the north...

Salazius
12-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Compostella !

solomon levi
12-30-2011, 05:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1A0p0F_iH8

Bennu Lugh
12-30-2011, 05:53 PM
Ok - I suppose that answers my question.

ArcherSage
11-15-2016, 11:04 AM
It is semen of course! What comes from the phallus of Osiris is the force that all men carry, and that is used to create man or "Man-na". It is the true seed that plants the tree of life either in another, or within the self....It is the most powerful thing in existence and is the divine essence of creation within us. Use it wisely.