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Phoenix
01-03-2009, 07:48 PM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm) created by harveydent.

Here's a few you might find intreasting by an author called Carlos Castenada unless you've seen them already;

The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge (1968) ISBN 0-520-21757-8
A Separate Reality: Further Conversations with Don Juan (1971) ISBN 0-671-73249-8
Journey to Ixtlan: The Lessons of Don Juan (1972) ISBN 0-671-73246-3
Tales of Power (1974) ISBN 0-671-73252-8
The Second Ring of Power (1977) ISBN 0-671-73247-1
The Eagle's Gift (1981) ISBN 0-671-73251-X
The Fire from Within (1984) ISBN 0-671-73250-1
The Power of Silence: Further Lessons of Don Juan (1987) ISBN 0-671-73248-X
The Art of Dreaming (1993) ISBN 0-06-092554-X
The Active side of Infinity
The Wheel of Time

The one at the top of the list is well worth reading, after that they become pretty long winded, the first one is a must, it'll make you laugh, he gets out of his skull and freaks out!

Most people would (or wouldnt) chew one peyote button, let alone keep getting them out of a jar and keep chewing!
Yeah he is pretty ok! Got a friend who is 100% sold on his stuff...

The Wheel of Time is probably the one to read if you want to get a good jist!
Y'know,this is becoming an increasingly common problem.....have a university degree,write a book,get it published...and hey presto....suddenly we're getting taken too seriously by people whose need for a magical life will make them lose any critical faculties they once had.....it seems to be a fine line...mysticism,magic and common sense.
Well worth reading is this article on Casteneda at Salon....Its called 'The Dark Legacy of Carlos Casteneda'...you can read it here....http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/04/12/castaneda/.......
What the seekers of occult knowledge really need is a course or book called "How to spot a magical wannabee at fifty paces' when they start on the path.
I just read Casteneda's last book " the active side of infinity'....luckily I borrowed it from the library and didnt shell out any money for it.... parts of it was like being held hostage by an elderly pervert and having to listen to his favourite dirty sex stories......errrkk!.....I mean sex stories have their place but if there was ever book filler stories...these were it....I find for a lot of these 'gurus'....its a case of too many books....increasingly with nothing to say.
Not to say Casteneda didnt have worthwhile things to expound...I have always found the concepts of the assemblage point,impeccability and self importance extremely worthwhile as well as the concept of teacher plants.I have also always liked his pragmatic approach to the use of psychedelics in moving the assemblage point or piercing the veil....whichever metaphor works for you....
I guess my final point is......read and think critically....question everything....
My personal faves are The eagle's gift and the fire from within....he'd finally learnt to write by then...or he'd got a new editor......
I looked at his book the fire within but when it got to the power of silence he lost my interest unfortunatly. Covered old ground so meny times it gt boreing!

Y'know,this is becoming an increasingly common problem.....have a university degree,write a book,get it published...and hey presto....suddenly we're getting taken too seriously by people whose need for a magical life will make them lose any critical faculties they once had.....it seems to be a fine line...mysticism,magic and common sense.


Bravo...my sentiments exactly. I've grown weary of experts, nitpicking scholars, and gurus expounding their universal theory. They're all wolves in sheep's clothing to me. It's a rather thin line on whom to trust or mistrust, though I found it helped when I stopped trying to buy my salvation and instead discover what came naturally.
I think McKenna (http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm) is far more important than Castenada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda)!

But a Guru with a pricetag is indeed no Guru - in my book!

solomon levi
02-25-2009, 12:13 AM
I don't look at CC as a guru. If people do, I think that's their own
fault/ignorance. I've read his books several times. There's so much
practical information in them that transcends whoever is saying it.
Whether we believe in CC, DJ, or no one, the books hold great value
as tools to get one out of their habitual way of perceiving the world.

The first time i read the trilogy, I looked at them as amusing stories.
The next time I started to see that maybe he actually experienced some of
the things he writes about.
The third time I began to see that I could experience what he's writing
about, and then I took the whole warriors' way very seriously.

I've never gone to any Cleargreen events or Tensegrity or anything.
I can learn much by just reading and allowing my assemblage point to
follow the lines of energy that are drawn for us in those magical books.

The world is a description. You can see this for yourself.
And that description can be altered by your internal talk or lack
of it. And that enters the second attention, and all sorts of things become
possible.
I understood even more of CC after i was introduced to J. Krishnamurti
and non-duality. They speak of the same thing. K calls it perceiving
without an image/the past/thought/mind....

Anyway, the ability to perceive without your mind/the known/the past
comes in very handy when reading alchemical texts too. You can't reason
them, or read them as the words you already know. You have to read the
intent.

solomon levi

solomon levi
03-25-2009, 06:06 PM
One part of CC's work is to stop the internal dialogue and enter the
second attention.
If one can accomplish this, I would venture that they would have no
difficulties in comprehending nature, alchemical texts or
being fluent in the language of the birds.

;)

Another correspondence with alchemy, IMO, is how DJ saw all of nature as being alive and
how he laughed at CC's explanation of wind. To me, this is like the materials the
alchemist works with and how a flask can suddenly break for no apparent reason, or
other "accidents" that can interupt or destroy one's work. This is partially why a
magical element is necessary in alchemy. I think one should communicate with the
chemicals and apparatuses one is using and be in good standing with them - whatever
that means to you.

Amur
03-28-2009, 01:02 AM
I think the CC books describe humans potential as it truly is, which is quite far from what people have realizied today, but of course it contains also flaws and so forth. But I think it's more genuinely as humans are in nature. The thing is that you need to get into higher vibrations which give all the good effects that are described in the CC books and of course this takes impeccability and courage to do :D