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Awani
02-03-2010, 01:58 AM
So I went to the Amazon in Peru to try out ayahuasca.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/1-5.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/2-4.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/3-5.jpg

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Awani
02-03-2010, 02:07 AM
In order to take part of Mother, the sacred medicine ayahuasca, follow this diet:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/8.jpg

I found that this diet did, by itself, increase my power to recall my dreams. It also increased my sense of taste... and I have decided to partly stick to this diet from here onwards. We put way to much salt, sugar and fat in our food.

The Shamans made the potion from a mixture of ayahuasca and the leaves of psychotria viridis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychotria_viridis) (chacruna) - it contains the DMT. Below are pics of it, and a pic of the place where they make it.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/7-1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/6-2.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/4-2.jpg

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Awani
02-03-2010, 02:11 AM
The Shamans, or the healers, were amazing. At the place I was at they employed female healers to be in tune with the feminine energy of ayahuasca - but there were males as well - males that lacked any form of ego/macho mentality. The Shipibo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipibo-Conibo) people, of which they stem, is an egalitarian tribe.

These are two of the Shamans that I worked the most with:

Rosa
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/rosa.jpg

Horacio
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/horacio.jpg


Here the ceremonies took place (notice the bucket next to each bed, that's right... it's for puke):

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/5-2.jpg

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Awani
03-31-2010, 02:58 AM
As far as the experience of being a part of an ayahuasca ritual in the jungle with true Shamans I can't really say much more than do it. You have to see for yourself.

I have never tried LSD or Magic Mushrooms or anything like that before, so I can't say for certain that ayahuasca is a different experience. But having tried and experienced ayahuasca I don't really feel a need to try LSD to find out if it is the same or not. I know it's not. And I can't prove it to anyone, you just have to see for yourself. And sometimes you don't see anything, nothing happens.

But my ideas, my notions of reality, were confirmed... confirmed with an awe of humility. And a comforting feeling of coming home. A death followed by the sense of Nature holding you in her arms, and you know that fear is not necessary...

It is deeply personal, not that I don't want to reveal anything that I feel is personal, but that it can't relate to you. You have to have your own experience... you have to kneel in humility not of a greater force, but out of respect for the infinite and complex simplicity of the cosmos. And you will see your place. What you need to do. What you will face. What skin you must shed.

You will wake up that inner God, and it will not be anything to do with power... more so empowerment. It will not be religious, but spiritual and intellectual... it will not be a fixed deity, but a feeling of elation within, without, above, below... it is an alchemical journey, truly, where you purge and transform yourself...

How you do this you must see yourself, but you must not expect anything. My advice is to be receptive, calm and humble... and then...anything is possible to happen, and probably will.

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LeoRetilus
03-31-2010, 03:08 AM
Thanks for the very beautiful and inspiring report.

MarkostheGnostic
04-01-2010, 01:55 AM
I am a veteran user of psychedelics/entheogens/empathogens, and I have seen a huge ayahuasca vine growing right here in Miami, but I have not yet imbibed. A friend of mine attends ayahuasca rituals here in Miami with a visiting shaman, but I do not like the idea of vomiting into a bucket indoors, in an apartment. I have taken The Little Ones - the Sacred Mushrooms with this friend. He says the experiences are quite similar. For myself, if I am to be reduced by cathartic vomiting, I prefer to crawl off into nature and do it outside, as I did in the past with Ololiqui - Morning Glory seeds. I have never taken enough peyote to make me sick, and the Mushroom spirit apparently likes me. Only once with raw living mushrooms did I become queasy.

I appreciate the fact that you took yourself to the place where the tradition originated. It is interesting, the specific phenomenology of ayahuasca visions. People tend to see large jungle cats like the jaguar, but even those who have never seen such creatures, like certain Inuit Eskimo tribesmen, who were given ayahuasca. But they saw huge house cats in their visions! Aside from the visions, it is the Realization that I am after. The kaleidoscopic visions are of course, accompanied by ecstatic emotions that are unparalleled by anything else. They are of the nature of 'awe,' the primary religious emotion.

I would like to prepare a mushroom spagyric elixir at some point. As psilocybin cannot be heated, I think its Sulphur could be extracted with red wine vinegar, its Mercury with red wine alcohol, and its calcined faeces extracted for Salt.

Meanwhile, welcome to 'entheogenic enthusiasm.' For me it's lasted for decades, but of course the root of 'enthusiasm' explains this:

Etymology: Greek enthousiasmos, from enthousiazein to be inspired, irregular from entheos inspired, from en- + theos god
Date: 1603
1 a : belief in special revelations of the Holy Spirit

Peace Out!
-MtG

Awani
04-01-2010, 03:58 AM
Found an example of the singing here (http://deoxy.org/audio/icaro.au) and here (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2148911/amazon_shipibo_indians_chanting_ayahuasca_icaros/)... hearing this now again brings chills up my spine.

Also the Mandelbrot set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set), something I understood weeks later, is the closest I can think of to describe the fractal visions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Mandelbrot_sequence_new.gif

Created Spin-off thread: Mandelbrot-set (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=8359)

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Donna Matrix
04-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Gentlemen,
wow what a story! I hope it brought you closer to the awe as we stand before the wonders of creation and perhaps the Creator itself. To experience the holy is priceless. The first time i ever experienced the paranormal i was using psilicybin. A sphere of light appeared in the room and I was terrified.. I had been praying intensely for God to show me my life purpose. I was in my early twenties and had bought them at a Grateful Dead concert. The sphere told me its name was Melchizadek. Now i had never heard of this name before but was able to confirm it in the Bible and the Secret Doctrine. I have since learned that Melchizedek is an order of priests in the spirit world. I have no idea where that would fit in on the Tree of Life. Then of course there is the wonderful Drunvalo Melchizadek.

I would love to try this but know of no one in Socal worshipping with it.
Blessings, may your experience add to your light.

Awani
04-28-2010, 01:06 AM
A sphere of light appeared in the room and I was terrified...

I had this in a waking dream once... like Strassman who thinks that UFO abductions etc are just heavy production of DMT... perhaps this dream was the same as I had not taken any substances yet in my life at that point.

But the light shrieked, coming through the door, and I was so scared I could not even dare to wake up... which I finally did. I knew I had been through a spiritual event, but it would take me many years to understand it.

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Donna Matrix
04-28-2010, 02:42 AM
I did n't even believe in the paranormal at that point in my life. if someone woul dhave told me i would have a talking orb of light in my living room when I took psilocybin i would have laughed in their face. For me it has always been about God and the Divine and nothing else mattered. Since then i have seen many things sober and under the influence. The unseen worlds are all around us all the time, just in a diferent dimension. I have kept salt water aquariums for about 20 years and Ok so i would smoke some weed and watch my fish and wonder if the fish knew they were in water. A typical stoner thought, I know. One of my friends said , "No , but they sure know its different in there than it is out here." The point is we are like the fish and the spirit world is all around us all the time but unpercieved.

Many years ago, Bush Sr was prez, there was a signing of the Kyoto Accords down in Brazil, which he refused to sign but like everybody else did. It was a big international political deal. At the same time, there was a little known international meeting of shamen from all over the world. A friend of mine went, and incidentally had a great photo of a fire spirit long before the days of photoshop. He met some people who drank the ayahuasca. They took him far into the jungle where no American could possibly figure out how to leave. He was utterly dependent on them like a child. He said it was like he gave birth to himslf through his heart. This is a man who grew up amongst atheist postwar European intellectuals and took LSD after Leary got kicked out of Harvard and he saw God from the bottom of the ocean. He went on to become an Episcopalian priest.

I wish someone would have told me about this stuff growing up. I had no one to even talk about my experiences with growing up, let alone when orbs of light start talking to me, or ectoplasmic displays make me practically loose bodily conrol. Just remember to always protect yourself psychically as well as physically when working. :cool: Even thoughg i am new to aalchemy, i know better than to go naked into the unknown.

Awani
09-16-2010, 10:52 PM
I wish someone would have told me about this stuff growing up...

I agree, the older I get the more angry I become at the school system. Everything that is important is not even studied. Schools are a joke (for the most part)!

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solomon levi
10-07-2010, 10:45 PM
An artistic (film) rendition of an Aya trip:
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/consciousness/ayahuasca-trip.html

Rebus7
10-08-2010, 12:36 AM
Yes, the best movie simulation of an entheogenic or psychedelic trip I have ever seen.... from the French/ Mexican Peyote Western, "Renegade" aka "Blueberry".
So in fact it was really a rendition of a peyote trip in northern Mexico. But hey, there's not a lot of difference, especially when facilitated by a tribal shaman.

solomon levi
10-08-2010, 12:44 AM
Thanks for clarifying that Rebus7 (except for the french/mexican part :D ???)
I didn't know the film or context.
The abundance of serpent symbolism seems to suggest Aya.

Rebus7
10-08-2010, 01:25 AM
It's really worth getting a copy of the DVD. The story line is good. The scenery in northern Mexico is stunning, and the soundtrack is brilliant, especially the long cello/ guitar duo on the closing credits.

III
10-22-2010, 02:46 AM
Each of the substances has it's own characteristics. Or, as might be said differently, each takes a person to a different range of chambers. LSD. ALD-52, mescaline, psilocibin, psilocin, DMT, DMT-MAOI (ayahuasca), Ketamine are all distinctly different in a variety of ways. It is certainly easy enough to make an ayahuasca type of potion. All the ingrediants are easily available. The locally brewed ayahuasca often has a variety of ingrediants that affects the flavor, both literally and effectively. The one caution is that any MAOI can cause death when taken with any of many other prescription and OTC drugs are in the system including opioids, antihistamines, stimulents and others. This also includes foods such as aged cheeses, cured meats and other such items if I rwemember correctly. I am experienced with all of the listed items but some much more so than others. I also did combinations of some things including hashoil.

Most were also very enhancing of alchemical sex providing massively extraordinary experiences.

The guide in these experiences is quite important and influences to a sizable extent where the journey goes and how it procedes.

Ghislain
12-03-2010, 09:43 PM
Got back from the temple about two weeks ago...just got round to sorting out a few pic’s and vid’s

The whole experience was amazing and I think Dev has covered most of it.

I have a whole bunch of Pic’s but they are like holiday snaps so I won’t bore you with the majority.
Click on the pics to enlarge.

I don’t think there has been a pic of the Ayahuasca itself so below you can see a cross section of the
Ayahuasca Vine.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Ayahuasca Vine.min.jpg (http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Ayahuasca Vine.jpg)

The Meastras/os took us for a walk in the jungle to show us some of the plants they create the
medicines from. They said that a plant will have some characteristic of what it can be used for.

For example below is a grass that grows in tufts and they say it looks like clumps of hair and so a
medicine is made from this which is purported to make hair grow strong.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/hair grass.min.jpg ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Hair Grass.jpg)

Can you guess the next one?

http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Jungle Viagra.min.jpg ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Jungle Viagra.jpg)

If you guessed it as a jungle Viagra you’d be right. ;)

I have put in a few vid clips to give an Idea of what the temple grounds are like. These were taken
on an ordinary camera so the quality is a bit rough and they may take a while to download...still...

On the morning of the second day we had to partake in what they call a ‘Vomitivo’ this consists of
drinking a plant medicine and then as much water as you can until...well see for yourself. ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Vomitivo.wmv)

Half of us did this while the other half were steamed under blankets...this was swapped over for the
next morning so everyone gets a go. :) This was the start of the cleansing process.

The Maloka ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Maloka.wmv ) is the main building where
everything happens. Here you can see it set up ready for the evening ceremony...the bowls are not just for show.

Here is a trip from the Dining Room to the Maloka. (http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/From Dining Room to Maloka.wmv)

Here is another from the Maloka to the Dam via the Toilets. (http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Maloka to Toilet and Dam.wmv)
The Dam is collecting water from a small stream that runs through the temple grounds.

The reason the toilets are included is that they somehow become somewhat of a sacred place
during the ceremonies.

The accommodation was in the form of Tambos , huts on stilts with palm leaf roofs.

Here is a clip from the Dining Room to my Tambo. ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/Canteen to My Tambo.wmv)

The weather was great although it is a rain forest and so here is what it is like when it rains. ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/Temple/A Rainy Day.wmv)

Some call the Ayahuasca ceremonies La Purga (The Purge) and it is certainly all that. You purge
by vomit, sweat, number twos :), tears without crying and unexplainable yawns...you have to hear
them. When you come out the other side you feel so clean you don’t want to eat...well you do because
you’re starving but it seems a shame to mess it up. I lost two stone(14 lbs) about 6.4kgs...I’ve put a
little back on but kept most of it off; sticking to the diet, sort of.

Its the most amazing experience and should be missed by none...

Ghislain

Awani
01-20-2011, 01:55 PM
Thanks... you covered some I missed... like the yawns. I am still sorting my experience out... and as you know difficult to explain in words.

Still the sceptic mind informs me that it is all in my brain and only enhanced by this "drug", but unlike other altered states caused by other substances ayahuasca does differ in that it doesn't only feel and look real; but is.

:cool:

Awani
01-20-2011, 02:00 PM
Also cool you went... most of the time people just say they will - but you did, when we talked about it. As it is rare I'd thought I'd point it out!

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Ghislain
05-19-2011, 09:03 PM
Found an Ayahuasca retreat here in the UK...was mind boggling. Four days three ceremonies. Just carried on from the temple in Peru...nothing changed but wow! some really good revelations.

Thanks for the introduction to this Dev, it's opened my mind to so much more.

Namaste

Ghislain

Awani
05-19-2011, 11:36 PM
You are welcome, and if you got the right stuff it doesn't matter where you are... I just prefer the vibe of the rainforest, to be far away when I go far away... but the deep spiritual insights can happen wherever you are. Tell others. I am trying to convince my mother... I can't think of a greater gift...

Last time I enjoyed some sacred mushrooms they informed me we have to get out of the closet. It is the only way psychedelic substances will loose the "scary" quality it has in some countries collective moral. It is the guy getting naked running down the street that ruins it for us serious psychonauts.

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Awani
08-03-2011, 05:52 PM
Here is one of the Shamans singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ZmLaHdwdk

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Awani
09-21-2011, 02:26 AM
I appreciate the fact that you took yourself to the place where the tradition originated. It is interesting, the specific phenomenology of ayahuasca visions. People tend to see large jungle cats like the jaguar, but even those who have never seen such creatures, like certain Inuit Eskimo tribesmen, who were given ayahuasca.

Yes, this is an interesting aspect. I myself transformed into a wolf... although I can't be sure it was a wolf... it felt like it... could have been a jungle cat as well. But it was a four legged creature with fangs and paws... that is for sure. I both saw and felt this.

I figured I painted it a wolf because I am from northern Europe (wolf-ridden) and the fact I love wolves... but who knows? Science refuse to study this stuff in a dedicated manner, alas!

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Black Sclera
09-21-2011, 06:49 AM
i have not taken the drink but have vaporized the crystal, and i was the jaguar. :cool:

Osain
09-22-2011, 01:33 PM
Televison of the Forest:
Ayhuasca, Yage or St. Daime is a mixture of tryptamines (mainly DMT – which gives red-orange-round visions) and 5-methoxy DMT (blue-green, square cold serious visions) and harmalines (MAO inhibitors which protect the tryptamines from degradation in the stomach). That is why it is important to fast. Vomiting is a way to cleanse your body before you begin your trip – think of it as something natural and good. Hindu´s in yoga do this purgation ritually.
Pure DMT can be smoked and the experience is very intense and lasts for 10-15 minutes. 5-MeO is a bit different and lasts longer. Repeated smoking causes tolerance very quickly. All of these compounds are in the serotonin-melatonin family and are strong agonists of 5-HT2a 5HT1a serotonin receptors. 2a causes hallucinations and 1a receptor is overexpressed in budist monks and the ones who meditate regularly.
All of them are potent neuohormones and antioxidants. Very useful in terminal cancer (or aids) treatment.
My research has led me to propose ayhuasca as a great remedy for alzheimer (and parkinson´s). Sure, FDA will approve it (never)
Salud!
PS: Jaguars and serpents will talk to you!

Black Sclera
09-23-2011, 02:00 AM
close (http://maxhattler.com/1923/) but....... not really

solomon levi
01-14-2012, 08:20 AM
I could be off on this, but could there be connections between
Ayahuasca and "the true vine" of the Bible?
I was also noticing that Ayahuasca is not too dissimilar from IHVH.
So this could be references from the old and new testaments.

Awani
01-22-2012, 09:12 PM
So I spent a few weeks in the Amazon with the Shipibo Shamans (or Maestros/Maestras as they call themselved depending if it is a male or female) where I partook in seven magical ceremonies with the medicine brew Ayahuasca (there was also other remedies on site, but these were not psychedelic). As always difficult to put into words, but there are some things I would like to document. Especially since I had a jaguar theme to mine...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2411.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2417.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2619.jpg

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The first night I spent in the rainforest I had one of those dreams where I wasn't aware I was dreaming as the dream took place in the very same place I was sleeping. I actually thought I had trouble falling asleep. I looked outside and up in a tree, in the moonlight, I saw a jaguar walking on a branch. It stopped and looked at me... kind of like this image (not my photo):

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/jaguar_brazil_0401.jpg

The first ceremony was mostly emotional, not a lot of visions. A necessary step in order to get rid of some baggage, so there was a lot of crying and vomiting... in fact I vomited in all seven ceremonies (two of which I vomited air). There was a painting at the site I was at that represent the general mood of the general visions one can have, although it is of course completely individual and impossible to fully document. But I post it below for those who have not had these kinds of experiences before:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2483.jpg

The eyes are, for me, very common. Always appearing everywhere. As are beings. The Shamans call these the Plant Doctors... and they are there to heal you. But they can be pretty intense when they get to work.

In my second ceremony I broke through to what I call "the other side". I vomited heavily, even bile I think, and I felt an extreme nausea as I was passing over. All around me colors were buzzing and the vastness of the realm I was in felt utterly overpowering. Almost as if it was too big for my brain to handle. Earlier that day I had talked to a guy about fear claiming I had none... I think Mother Ayahuasca heard me because she gave me the greatest fear any can have that same night (as if to prove a point). She is funny that way.

I felt I was loosing my sanity. I was so deep into this other world I wasn't sure I would get back if I gave in to it (giving in to it is what one is supposed to do, resisting makes it worse). Easier said than done. I felt my heart, and I could not detect a heart-beat. My thoughts started to become looped and I began to experience what hell would be like; to be lost forever in ones own insanity. Beings surrounded me, they came closer. Alien-like creatures. They were there regardless if my eyes were open or closed.

The ceremonies work in such a way that the Shamans go around singing to all the participants one at a time, when they do this they can generate different physical or visual states... things necessary for the healing process, but they also help to ground the person being initiated/healed. At this point in my experience it was quite a long time till it was my turn, and I felt I could not take the wait... I would loose it for sure. Add to this the fact that I began to suspect I had not only crossed over to the other side, but I had in fact died. I was dead!

There are some sitters (there to help people go to the toilet etc.) and I called out for help. She came over. I asked her to reassure me that I was in fact still alive. As it happened I was. A couple more came over to assist me. They told me I have to give in to it. I could only reply: "It's too much!"

I told them to inform me when the Shaman was by my bed because I could not see "reality". At this time I was positioned in the opposite direction of where the Shaman would appear. I was told that Shaman was already waiting for me; it was Rosita (and I knew it was). I had already created some sort of bond with her from my previous visit. Rosita is a hard rock, a strong powerful Maestra! I slowly turned around and crawled (for ages it seemed) over to her, crashing down with my head into her lap. She placed her hand on my head and began to sing.

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Rosita.

She rubbed some pussanga (a sort of scented elixir) on my hands telling me to smell it. The fear died. My brain became focused. I felt I was becoming a man (an adult). Anger, cannabis and other things negative became irrelevant to me. I was beyond it all. I saw myself as one of the Shipibo. As a native. I had to go live with them. Give up everything and become one of the indigenous! To serve and protect the wild. Just like Jake in Avatar, LOL!

The third ceremony was even more intense and it fell around the time of the full moon. Perhaps why the lunacy came back, this time even stronger than the night before. I knew that love is the only way forward in life. The only path worth walking. Neither hate nor anger does any good, still I could not find a way to do this. For me, having been angry at the insanity of the world my whole life, it is a difficult step. I am also an intellectual and I could not get my mind to stop buzzing.

I saw the never-ending cycles of death and re-birth, the soul forever lost within the mind, no peace, no release, no truth. I became deeply scared. Is this what is waiting for us when we die: insanity for all infinity. I stumbled outside. I needed to get away, from the Shamans, from the Icaros. I had to be alone. I felt I had ruined my life. The despair I had seen killed any optimism I had, and it put the fear of death in me yet again, because as soon as death comes I will re-enter the realm of intellectual limbo. My search for truth would never be fulfilled.

I sat on a wooden bench, in the moonlight. The rainforest was calm and beautiful. Suddenly someone came walking through it. The noise this person made somehow made me think it was an animal. I looked in its direction and for a moment I thought I saw a jaguar. A real one, and it frightened me. In the weak state I was in I would be eaten for sure. My heart took an extra beat, and then I calmed down when I realized it was just someone passing by.

I went back inside and lied down on my bed. I didn't think the Shamans would come and sing for me again, I thought they had finished with me or that I had missed them being outside. But suddenly one appeared by my bed. I sat up to face the Icaros and for the first time during the whole night I felt I could sync into the singing. For some reason I recalled my jaguar dream, and then I recalled the imagined jaguar encounter only moments before. Suddenly, in the flash of a moment, I had an epiphany. Love is the way, the Jaguar is the key!

I felt so strong and powerful. I was filled with life and confidence. Any sign of insanity vanished in a moment. There was nothing to fear, not even in death, if the path of love is travelled and the only way, for me, to walk this path is to invoke the jaguar within. "Thank you, thank you!" I kept repeating. Grateful that I had not ruined my life, my optimism... the answer had come at the very end of the night and I felt so relieved.


"Sacred Jaguar teach me...
To wear my power lightly,
To walk with impeccability,
To approach life with compassion,
And to live up to the integrity of
my human potential."

- from Medicine Cards by Jamie Sams & David Carson

Even though things felt like they were moving forward I was a bit apprehensive. The insanity I had experienced scared me, and I did not want to go through with it again regardless of the fact that I should invoke the jaguar within (which for me means integrity, a rarity these days).

I walked over to the male Shamans, the Maestros, house for a little consultation.

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Elias.

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Wilder (not sure about the spelling).

I told them about my journey and about my problems with insanity. Elias was at the time resting in his hammock and his reply, to my very long outline, was only one simple word: corazón (heart)!

Awani
01-22-2012, 09:13 PM
The next ceremony was pretty uneventful and calm. I focused on thinking with my heart throughout the whole night and it worked. I was shown that I was going in the right direction.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2474.jpg
Maria, Ida and Rosita about to perform a very nice floral bath that we had on an almost daily basis.

The fifth ceremony was very similar to the one before it, the main difference was that I fell asleep before the Ayahuasca took hold and I kind of woke up into it. A green fluid grid system within my mind populated by mischievous kid-like beings waving at me, jumping out here and there. Like the night before I was also seeing what I call "the mushroom world", a sort of Avatar-jungle, Super Mario Bros, Tolkien forest kind of place... very beautiful to see, but impossible to explain.

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Ida.

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Maria.

I no longer had Rosita as the Shaman I was most connected too, I had now grown out of the need for her. Like a child moving away from the mother. Instead it was Laura... the Love Shaman as I see her.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2601.jpg
Laura.

The sixth ceremony was a Love Trip. Love for everything and everyone, even enemies. Pure love and compassion came now easily for me, and it was an immensely powerful state to be in. So powerful that it completely impressed me. I even saw something I did not expect... I saw my future child (and I had never really considered having one).

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_2513.jpg
The Maestro Elias cutting some medicine of a tree.

The last, and seventh, ceremony came on strong. The effects of the ayahuasca came in sync with a heavy rainstorm. The Shamans were completing the work giving us all protective Arcanas (as they call them) to shield us from anything "bad" when we re-enter society. I vomited heavily and I could feel how I finally got out a parasite from my stomach that I have had since I went to Africa many years ago. I could feel the creature crawl out of me. I can still to this day feel the difference in my stomach.

There was also a brief moment when I left the person I am in reality, and I became my higher self and I was speaking to the physical me. A kind of schizophrenic episode showing the true self high above myself.

Earlier that day we got a piece of Ayahuasca wood as a charm that the Shamans had "blessed". I took it out during the ceremony and I held it in my hands in order to charge it further... mainly to see what would happen. When I did so a unicorn appeared spewing a rainbow river out of its mouth, through the little piece of Ayahuasca wood in my hand.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Unicorn_Pukes_Rainbow_by_Angel35W.jpg
A perfect ending to my seven ceremonies!

That is all I have to say about my second trip to the wonderful Shipibo Shamans in the Amazon... and as always I write this more for myself than any other... and of course there is a lot more to tell, but I don't intend to get into deeply private matters here. Let's just say that I am not the same as I was before, even if the difference is not massive it is yet another step closer to complete Buddha-hood! LOL!

It is alchemy in its essence: transmutation and transformation!

:cool:

rogerc
01-22-2012, 10:50 PM
Thanks for sharing your experience once again.....sounds pretty intense.


I told them about my journey and about my problems with insanity. Elias was at the time resting in his hammock and his reply, to my very long outline, was only one simple word: corazón (heart)!



I focused on thinking with my heart throughout the whole night and it worked. I was shown that I was going in the right direction.


This reminds me of a debate we had a while back about the use of the heart versus the mind in the interpretation of alchemy.

solomon levi
01-22-2012, 11:12 PM
I am very grateful for your sharing Dev.
So much of what you relate is familiar to me. I've experienced similar
loops and insanity with Psilocybes, and now I experience them to a degree
with philosophy and contemplation of the One. Mostly that which I have
been relating on relativity and subjectivity - that's a hell as well, a world
without any real objective meaning, definition or purpose.
You are quite courageous to go back in to that so soon after experiencing
insanity. Of course we know insanity is simply relinquishing one description
which is familiar for another less familiar, but it makes it no easier knowing that.

I've been trying to ground myself through various methods. Of course it is a balance -
being too grounded/fixed is being asleep; being too volatile is being insane. As you say,
it's an alchemical process. I'd say one of solve coagula and repetitious swings towards evolving
the soul into a more spiritual/volatile nature.

It pleases me to see your statement "the soul lost in the mind". It's an important distinction. It is
the false or temporary construct of the mind that feels fear, knowing its own impermanence.
The soul identified with the mind gives the mind a longevity that it does not inherently possess,
even into the afterlife. It is the same whether living or dead - as long as the soul does not evolve
beyond a certain frequency threshhold, the mind can maintain integrity.

Well, enough of me. Thanks again for exploring the territory and reporting your findings.

III
01-23-2012, 06:32 AM
Hi Dev,

Most excellent. A wonderful experience. Every Alchemist needs to die often enough that it holds no fear because the impediments are cleared, then the real work begins. It sounds like a very worthwhile trip. Congratulations. It's groundhog day all over again and again and agian ...

Ghislain
01-23-2012, 02:03 PM
Thanks Dev

Scary yet amazing,


Is this what is waiting for us when we die: insanity for all infinity.

The insanity you felt I could really relate to I am having some weird dreams at the moment very similar to what you mention.
Not the same events, but the feeling of losing it. Maybe I have been feeling your journey lol

I wonder what sanity is?

The illusive Love is the way...just have to find it now :)

Ghislain

theFool
01-23-2012, 06:39 PM
Thanks for sharing this dev.

solomon levi
01-23-2012, 08:51 PM
Dev, could you put any words to your new understanding of love?
And are there actions you will take to practice it or is it more internal?
If you don't want to word it, that's fine of course. :)

horticult
01-23-2012, 10:44 PM
thx 4 report
i met aya also

beautiful jag
oh, these spots ;-)

Awani
01-24-2012, 10:54 AM
Thanks for sharing your experience once again.....sounds pretty intense.

Intense is a very good word... definitely not a recreational drug in my world.


You are quite courageous to go back in to that so soon after experiencing
insanity.

It is true... it was not easy to go into a ceremony... many of the ceremonies were back to back, but one thing you have to keep in mind is the Shamans. Without them I would not do it at all! They are the guide through the other realms. They protect and they shine the light with their voices. Any courage comes from having them there and finding the jaguar within:)


It pleases me to see your statement "the soul lost in the mind".

Thanks for pointing it out. Many of my words comes from the journal I wrote the day after each ceremony... I had not thought too deep on the "lost in the mind" concept, so thanks for expanding on it. It was so horrible to experience I did not want to mentally dwell on it too long, especially since I discovered how to avoid it.


Every Alchemist needs to die often enough that it holds no fear because the impediments are cleared, then the real work begins.

Yes, as for ayahuasca there are about ten different general categories of experiences one can have like morphing into an animal etc... and one of them is death. When it happens it is a very horrible experience, but afterwards it is a wonderful experience... I kept saying to other Gringos who were there having problems "no pain, no gain"!


I wonder what sanity is?

Hard to define I guess... for me now it has always been ignorance, so most people seem insane to me. During the ceremonies insanity was being lost within myself without escape. And love/compassion was the only way out... no compromise, no judgement... only purity... like a jaguar!


Dev, could you put any words to your new understanding of love?

It is more personal... everyone has different needs in order to grow as a being... so in my case it is more of having less judgment, less fear of showing love and so on. I guess compassion is a better word than love actually... unconditional compassion. Difficult, but powerful!

Thanks everyone for kind words.

:cool:

Awani
01-25-2012, 01:30 AM
I forgot to say that I noticed that the Shamans never slept. They were always awake before me (I got up at 7-8 am) and I went to bed at 4 am (when ceremonies ended), and yes they were still awake. So I asked them if they ever slept. They said no. Only resting in hammocks and the like. Also for people of 50-60 years old there is not a single grey hair on them!!!

They are doing something that we are not doing here in the West, that is for sure. I think it is outlook on life + their diet of vegetarian fish, rice and vegetables. Or maybe Ghislain is right; they are aliens!

:cool:

Awani
04-05-2012, 10:28 PM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/318241_259445354145156_100002390802732_548945_5553 12797_n.jpg

There are three little stories I should add to my report... during one of the ceremonies (the one where I experienced full on insanity) when the moon was full, the man next to me also experienced insanity.

He was twice my age and had come to Peru with his son. The mother knew nothing. The son was a spiritual seeker, the father average joe from a north-western state in the US. During the ceremony he suddenly started to think that the shamans were evil. That they were manipulating him. When he said Jesus name he could feel their powers go down.

At the break of dawn he packed all his stuff, asked his son to come (but the son refused) and then he left. He fled out of the jungle... later I heard he is back and ok in the US. Perhaps beginners shouldn't take ayahuasca during the full moon?

Another guy that was there was a bit of an asshole, and he behaved like an asshole even during one ceremony. The next day when he was supposed to be given protective spells by the shamans he first felt the need to apologies because he was afraid they would curse him. He somehow had both respect and fear.

Another story is I met this guy who knew another guy who was in a coma from ayahuasca. I had heard about this story as it was in all the papers, but the papers had not told the whole story. What had happened was that the guy had hired some shamans, but had been unsatisfied and fired them so they did what they normally do in conflicts: they used psychic warfare and broke his mind.

The purpose of these three tales is to show that shamans are powerful magicians and it is important to find a good shaman. Ayahuasca with a bad shaman could end up very bad. They are humans like everyone else (unless they are aliens). They are not saints. Especially as ayahuasca gains more and more exposure, more dollars are flowing into Peru... pseudo-shamans becomes a natural side-effect. Keep this in mind all of you who think about going to Peru to do ayahuasca ceremonies in a traditional setting.

But the ones I met were good ones and seemed whole. At least as whole as any person I have ever met. Maybe whole = holy?



i met aya also

In a traditional ceremony or on your own?

:cool:

Awani
05-18-2012, 05:53 AM
“Anyone who loves adventure, and who loves life, and who loves the experience of being, has an obligation, I think, to explore this [the psychedelic realm]. It’s as much a part of your identity as your sexuality, your ancestral history, or your hopes and fears. And to ignore it is to choose to play with less than a full deck. Don’t do that. Play with a full deck!” - Terence McKenna

:cool:

Seth-Ra
05-18-2012, 06:51 AM
Your reports on this matter are very interesting. I myself do not partake of such substances, but rather, work on developing certain sights myself. (and considering what i normally experience... i dont need the drugs. O_o)

This caught my eye though:

He was twice my age and had come to Peru with his son. The mother knew nothing. The son was a spiritual seeker, the father average joe from a north-western state in the US. During the ceremony he suddenly started to think that the shamans were evil. That they were manipulating him. When he said Jesus name he could feel their powers go down.

Ive heard of other encounters like this, and have had some of my own. The interesting thing is how calling on the one we (Christians) consider to be God (and furthermore, the aspect/part of Himself that willingly sacrifices Himself for us), seems to act as a "safety card" one can play.
Its been stated in various places that going to quickly into the Arcanum will shatter one's being, not just mind, not just body, and not just soul - but all of them, to varying degrees, and even some to the point of ruin (or more correctly - to the point of releasing/dying). With it being said/understood that Yahoshua/Jesus/Christ - etc "died for our sins" and Alchemists tend to see ignorance as a grave sin/illness, and His sacrifice was so that we would "have ever-lasting life"... what im getting at, is the interesting way these stories that involve such, have Him (or the archetype of Him) "bailing the person out" of something they arent quite ready to handle, sparing them and giving them time to digest it all.

Tis... fascinating.


Thank you for sharing, id like to hear more stories, should they come about. :)



~Seth-Ra

Awani
07-05-2012, 11:49 PM
Sure Seth-Ra, in the mean time this fell in my lap from sleeveless (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?15-sleeveless)... a very catchy Icaros.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRxnVLRQtGM&feature=player_embedded

Hit single perhaps?!

:cool:

Ghislain
07-06-2012, 05:33 AM
I listened to this all the way through...

Amazing

What I would like to know is has anyone who has not experienced Ayahuasca listened to it.?

If so can you relate to it?

The reason I asked was that listening to some Icaros before taking this medicine I did not relate to them at all.

Ghislain

Ghislain
07-06-2012, 06:00 AM
After watching the video Dev the screen filled with further youtube clips to look at.

I couldn't believe it when I found myself looking at the Maestras Olivia who was the one who blessed my Ayahuasca vine.

I had to click on that link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=DD7QYL1u848

Check it out.

Ghislain

solomon levi
07-06-2012, 07:35 AM
I listened to this all the way through...

Amazing

What I would like to know is has anyone who has not experienced Ayahuasca listened to it.?

If so can you relate to it?

The reason I asked was that listening to some Icaros before taking this medicine I did not relate to them at all.

Ghislain

How much of a relation do you mean Ghislain?
It didn't really move me, but I like it allright.
I also like australian aboriginal didge music.
I imagine I didn't relate to it as you mean.

I'm sure I could google this, but why not talk to a person:
is an Icaros a song that a shaman received from Aya?

Awani
07-06-2012, 11:03 AM
I'm sure I could google this, but why not talk to a person:
is an Icaros a song that a shaman received from Aya?

Yes, that is true.

Also I guess one has to experience these Icaros and Aya together with a Shaman in order to fully appreciate them. When I listen to them not only do I almost re-enter the Aya-world, but it gives me power, and often tears. Doesn't mean they make me sad, more like how you can cry watching a flower wither. The flow of life etc etc.

:cool:

solomon levi
07-06-2012, 11:20 AM
Thanks Dev.
Well, in my understanding, if the song came from that world, it can lead back.
I know that especially applies for those who have experienced Aya, but I take
it as a challenge - if one is fluid enough, they should be able to follow the song there.
I'll have to do some experimenting. :)

Awani
07-06-2012, 11:26 AM
Post the results:)

What I recommend you do is if you take Mushrooms (a big dose), sit in a dark room and listen only to these Icaros then perhaps you can get an idea of their guiding power, of course it is not the same as having the Shaman there in front of you, but close enough. Then after this experience you might more easily navigate with the songs without Mushrooms. If you get the concept I am laying out. :)

I would love to have you (and others here) do a ceremony in the Amazon. And afterwards have a conference about it all. Sure would be some interesting discussions.

:cool:

Note: and it is not music related, because I have experimented with a lot of different music but it is only these Icaros that have such a profound effect. For me anyway.

Awani
07-10-2012, 03:23 AM
The great Maestro Wiler!

I love his Icaros, and also how he moves when he sings. During the ceremonies he was truly mesmerizing. The one-eyed Master Wizard from Amazonia. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m27VzSeXi7w&feature=relmfu

:cool:

Ghislain
07-10-2012, 06:26 AM
Wow :)

Did you laugh along with him at the end Dev?

That was a knowing laugh.

Ghislain

Awani
07-10-2012, 12:47 PM
Yes, laughing is how they roll!

:cool:

Awani
09-16-2012, 02:29 PM
To be fair and balanced I post this link (from 14 Sep 2012): U.S. Teen Dies After Taking Hallucinogenic Drug, Ayahuasca, in Peru (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/14/u-s-teen-dies-after-taking-hallucinogenic-drug-ayahuasca-in-peru/)

There are dangers, and as I have stated before one needs to use Shamans who know what they are doing. The sad thing about this is the fact that ayahuasca only hits the news if someone dies... not if someone is saved. If only they would publish an article everyone someone dies from alcohol. There would be a ban within weeks.

Nothing in this world is risk free... you can die getting out of bed. For those who have seen the film Blood In, Blood Out I quote: "Life's a risk!"

:cool:

Awani
11-07-2012, 03:29 PM
“We who solve mystery, become mystery," alchemical wisdom handed down through the ages and now in the sterile men’s toilets at the Lima airport departure lounge. Scrawled, no doubt, by one of the tourists waiting out in the food court. - source (http://www.ayathebook.com/excerpt.html)

:cool:

Awani
08-18-2014, 06:15 PM
I am preparing for journey number three to the Amazon, and I am sure I'll add to this report when I return.

For now I am trying to stick to the ayahuasca diet (no sugar, salt, oil, sex and more) in order to get my body ready. You also have to abstain from drugs, alcohol, caffeine and red meat but I never use those things anyway.

Any forum issues while I am away will be dealt with by Androgynus (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?371-Androgynus) and theFool (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?50-theFool). Major issues (like tech stuff) I'll have to do when I return... so in these circumstances please be patient.

See you on the other side...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/sanacion-chamanica-4d_zpsd2f2fc0a.jpg

:cool:

III
08-18-2014, 11:58 PM
Have a wondrous voyage.

theFool
08-19-2014, 09:20 AM
Have a nice journey!

Awani
09-27-2014, 03:14 PM
The first report can be found HERE (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1298-Ayahuasca-Report&p=6845#post6845), the second report HERE (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1298-Ayahuasca-Report&p=18646#post18646) and the final (I think) third report follows below.

I have now returned from my third visit with the Shipibo Shamans and their wonderful medicine Ayahuasca. This third visit is part of a larger arc of healing for me, and as with all experiences of this kind it is impossible to put it into words. Language is not enough when trying to share truths that have not been understood but beheld. This report/account is only a small fractal of the overall experience I had.

In order to assist me I will use some images I've found on the Internet (as well as some of my own), but even so it is still nowhere close to what I saw myself... with my own three eyes. The only way for you to understand is to have your own experience, and till that day comes here is mine...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/10363583_10204564724667597_7872948878073536115_n_z psb29d81e8.jpg
Amazonia.

The Amazon River wriggle like a serpent through the vastness of the Amazon rainforest. In Shipibo tradition the serpent is a representation of Ayahuasca, and unlike the Biblical tales the serpent is not a bad creature... it is the most wise and the most healing. Is then this a coincidence?

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Unknown_zpsc47cf82a.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?17-The-Caduceus-of-Hermes)

Were the ancient shamans on to something way before modern man decided to put serpents on all pharmacies and hospitals? I think so...

See this thread for more on this aspect (as it is another story on its own): The Caduceus of Hermes (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?17-The-Caduceus-of-Hermes)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_4265_zps9e7ea2ac.jpg
The Amazon River.

The 'trip' doesn't start when you swallow the brew, it doesn't start when you board the airplane or when you begin traveling down the Amazon River... it starts when you decide to do it. Then you could also argue if you ever decided, or if Mother Ayahuasca called you... and if this is the case then it was always inevitable. Ben, the facilitator and student to one of the Maestros, said that the plant knows how many times you are going to take it. In other words it already knew the first time I went to the Amazon that I would be back two more times. And I don't know if it knows if I will go back again. Personally I feel it will be a long time before I, if ever, do it again. The teachings and healing that I have experienced have changed my life profoundly and if I ever feel the need to take another major evolutionary step I'll do it.

Each initiation is a very personal experience, and everyone has a personal journey... for this reason it is very difficult to fully give an honest report because so many things are deeply personal and not fit for public display. But I will try to be a bit personal anyway as the story I am about to tell won't be as interesting to read if it is solely superficial. Fellow forum members sleeveless (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?15-sleeveless) and Ghislain (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?186-Ghislain) were also with me and I'm sure they'll have their say as well.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_4927_zps6bfc39e1.jpg
The ceremonial circle where I sat, slept and fought through my seven Ayahausca ceremonies on my flying carpet.

First Ceremony
The taste is horrendous... the smell so foul. The medicine came on strong, and I felt tired. The nausea (the sea sickness) was deeply disturbing and a normal part of an Ayahuasca experience. Healing is also a tiresome act... psychedelics is hard and requires strength and I just felt weak. I can't do this shit anymore. Scared of falling into that insanity for all infinity experience I had two years ago. I suddenly felt that I wanted it all to stop. I vomited air and somehow the effects decreased. There were no visions, a bit of crying and some real vomit later on... otherwise pretty uneventful. I felt unfocused. My intentions had not been clear. I had not shown the correct level of commitment.

Second Ceremony
The moon is almost full. I needed to be strong. I focused on my intentions and how I wanted to evolve spiritually, mentally and physically. I would have to endure the sea sickness, the taste, the strong visions... the prospect of facing infinity and be beaten down by it. I began to pray repeating all my intentions. I drank the Ayahuasca. I prayed again.

It came on strong and very quick. The lanterns had not been turned off yet. I pulled my blanket over my head and closed my eyes. I concentrated on my breathing and on my prayers. The nausea came into me, rising... but sitting utterly still, focused, breathing and praying I managed to keep the nausea in control. The colors arrived.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Ayahuasca_Vision_by_Skyer_zpsd58b0ed1.png

The shapes. The patterns. This part of every Ayahuasca ceremony is what I call 'going through the hallway'...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Alex_Grey_ONE_zps41c83745.jpg

...it is a place that feels claustrophobic, chaotic, dizzying and devoid of guidance as the Shamans had not begun their singing yet (they usually start about one hour after you drink). The subterranean world I found myself in was hard to navigate through (especially without the Icaros, the medicine songs). Hours passed it seemed, and I was holding my breath... and then slowly breathing. Keeping still, keeping the sea sickness at bay. I began to panic. Feeling lost in some weird realm of complete strangeness. Claustrophobic and repetitive. I fell into thought loops and visionary loops. This is very unsettling. Unbearable. I called for help.

The sitter Tyler came over and I asked him to sit by my side. I'm not sure it helped. Eventually I puked. It was a nasty horrid puke (or Purge as it is called). I swore to myself that I would not do this anymore. Tyler said he had to go help other people. "When do they start singing?" "They are about to start," he replied. "Thank fuck for that!" I exhaled exhausted.

I heard the sound of of the first Icaros slowly rising through the chaos. I crawled almost off my mattress and laid stomach down, flat out on the floor, arms outstretched towards the voice. The music was amazing. It was beautiful. In a flash all panic vanished.The subterranean world I'd inhabited kind of dissolved and opened up into eternity/infinity... into an ever expanding cosmos... into a vast beauty. Previously, two years ago, the vastness of the universe could not fit into my mind. It almost drove me insane. Now it didn't. My mind was equally infinite as everything outside it. As within, so without, as above, so below...

I enjoyed every note and word of the healing songs, the Icaros. Every note was filled with beauty and love. Everything accelerated into a glorious peak moment. I cannot describe it, but I saw it all. Utter awe. Beauty. Love. Infinity. Eternity. I saw it all!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/tumblr_mpcdnoNO9W1r861iyo1_500_zps04780b59.jpg

The glory of the world, all worlds and I broke down! The immense beauty of this vision made tears volcanically burst out of my eyes. I covered my nose and mouth with my hand as to not make too much noise (and disturb the people on either side of me), because I was crying violently. Not out of sadness, nor happiness. I was crying out of awe from eyeing the truth of the universe: there is nothing to fear, all is eternal and infinite and all is love.

We have discussed love before here on the fourms, and there are many types: unconditional, conditional etc... but no... there is only love. Pure, true love cannot be questioned. It is, it exist. It does not judge. It does not heal or hurt. It is. Like a summer breeze, like the rays of the sun... the sparkles on the surface of the ocean.

As this truth was not understood or told, but beheld my heart burst open. Love and truth poured out into the beauty of the cosmos. Again what was without was also within.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Beautiful-Photo-Of-Univers-5_zps443c12d0.jpg

This was the most awesome experience I have ever had. I was so grateful. With this truth all my intentions (my prayers) had been answered. Words does not do it justice, but I have tried.

The rest of the evening I was just rocking out to the Icaros. Really dancing/digging every note/beat. Especially this particular icaro: Ikaro de Pinon Colorado by Maestra Maria (http://yuinhuzami.bandcamp.com/track/maria-ikaro-de-pinon-colorado) (this is a mix with modern beats but the only version there is that I could find online). It made me go into ecstasy, so amazing. The best concert I've ever been to. And not only that the Icaros also entered into some of my muscles that ached and massaged the pain away.

I also saw my star child body, or astral body.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/tumblr_lz048u5Kes1qhq2buo1_500_zps9b52ae48.jpg

It was truly a magical night. I went through hell in order to reach heaven, and once there I saw/heard/experienced the greatest show on Earth.

Third Ceremony
The trinity had started (meaning that we'd do three ceremonies three days in a row, with no days to rest in-between... this is very intense). I had learned a lot from my previous ceremony so I imitated my techniques; praying, staying focused, breathing and so on and so forth. I managed to ride the waves.

I was rocking back and forth to the Icaros and I focused all the shit into my stomach. All the negativity of the past and present, all the hurt I've suffered, all disappointment, all anger... everything... I channeled it into my stomach. The Icaros was charging me, empowering me. I glowed, the star child awoke. The indian warrior emerged. Power surged through me.

All the darkness filled my gut. When something negative in the past surfaced in my mind I condemned it: "get the fuck out of me"... "fuck off"... Finally I purged it all out. It was a deep heavy vomit. The most foul tasting disgusting vomit I have ever tasted. All the bad energy was in that vomit, and now it was in my bowl. I called Tyler over to get me a fresh bowl. I could not have that vomit anywhere near me as it contained all the negativity and dark energy of my life. I wanted it out of my presence.

I splashed my face with water. I was sort of baptizing myself. Purifying myself with water. I laughed when I had the thought that I should go and take a shower.

The Icaros kept empowering me. I entered the circle. I was elected into the Indian Council of Spirit Warriors. I saw myself as a Cosmic Indian with a Star Child body mixed in... It was beautiful. Powerful.

I felt clean. Healed. When the ceremony was finished I went outside into the glow of the full moon. All was beauty.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/spiritwarrior_zpsc85c1671.jpg

Awani
09-27-2014, 03:14 PM
The Fourth Ceremony
Having had the same intentions for all the previous ceremonies, and feeling healed, I wanted to change shit up a bit. I asked to have a private audience with Mother Ayahuasca and I also asked to be taught the secrets of the Icaros. This was a very foolish thing to do...

After drinking the horribly tasting Ayahuasca I always have to go through an hour (that seems to be many hours) of hell, nausea and confusion... then when the Shamans begin to sing the Icaros I am alright. I can navigate and receive the teachings and healing. But this time the Icaros didn't help at all. It didn't work. They annoyed me. Disturbed me.

I began to panic. I wanted everything to stop. I began to resist, which is a very big mistake to do. I was getting the unsettling thought that I had asked for too much. I was in psychedelic hell. This night was a copy of that hellish ceremony I had two years ago.

If what I was experiencing was the afterlife I would not want to die. I called Tyler over. I could not be alone. I wanted to go outside. Talk to someone. Feel normal again. Tyler got Ben (the facilitator and Maestro in practice). He sat with me. Coached me back into a calmer state. I don't know for how long but it felt like ages. I was so sad that I hated the Icaros, that I had insulted Mother Ayahuasca, that I had failed to keep my heart open... that I had resisted... that my thoughts did not stop, my mind could not stop thinking... I was in utter despair. I had puked, twice, also and the foul after taste did not leave my mouth, no matter how much I rinsed it with water.

But Ben helped me to position myself in a positive position (having your head in your hands for instance is a negative position), helped me to breathe, clear my mind. Assisted me in smoking a Mapacho (sacred tobacco) in order to get the foul taste out of my mouth. It helped a lot. I had calmed down. I felt a little better. Then Maestro "The Bear" came to my mattress and began to sing to me.

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Shipibo Maestro "The Bear" holding a bottle of the sacred brew.

His song cured me of the panic, and unlike two years ago I felt I had handled this HELL much better. I told Ben he could leave and go help someone else. I swore I would not drink again. After having two wonderful ceremonies it felt so bad to have had such a shitty one, but later I understood that I had seen all the negative sides of my personality. So it was very helpful. My intentions for the night had been very arrogant. I had asked for things I was not yet ready/worthy of. I had also been physically tired, feeling very weak.

The Fifth Ceremony
I drank a little less Ayahuasca this time. I still felt weak and tired... scared... the taste had also become a big problem. So hard to swallow.

The night was fairly uneventful. Mainly I thought about things, processed my teachings, my healing and listened to the beauty of the Icaros. Although I didn't drink a lot I could still feel the effects quite strongly, but not as strong as normally which was great. I was so thankful for this. At the moment the current level of experience was all I could handle.

I saw my Star Child / Star Body again, I saw my strengths. A good calm night.

The Sixth Ceremony

"I'm writing this in the toilet. The 6th ceremony is in full process. I'm almost down, but not yet. Love. Love changes everything. LOVE CHANGES EVERYTHING!" - 11 Sep 2014
I drank the same amount as the night before. I had also decided that I would keep my eyes open this time. I did this to avoid entering that hellish hallway I mentioned earlier, and when the Icaros began I would close my eyes and somehow skip the hard bit.

It worked, but when the Ayahuasca really got a hold of me it no longer mattered if my eyes were open or closed. I entered a magical realm.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/sanacion-chamanica-4d_zps1a611f73.jpg

There were lots of beings there. I was surrounded. I kept forgetting that they weren't actually physically there. I managed to separate myself from my own brain, and I was talking to myself. A very weird feeling. Not like normal talking to yourself, but actually being separate from your own mind and conversing with it.

I felt sick and dreaded to vomit, but I knew I would have to eventually... no fear, only love... It was beautiful. I felt like a child playing in a magical kingdom.

I saw some demons, some whispering inside my ear... trying to attract me towards the dark side.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/corbis-42-18116179_zps33dd7da4.jpg

But love changes everything. Previously I had said "fuck off" to these negative energies, now I forgave them. Love is pure. Forgivness is power. I cried. I saw my life and how it could be actually lived. With love and forgiveness nothing negative can touch me. I puked.

It was one simple barf. It was dry. It didn't even taste anything. Very strange. Perhaps it didn't taste bad because everything I purged had been forgiven unlike previous nights when I had condemned and damned the shit that I purged.

One intention I had even before arriving in the Amazon was to stop my addiction to nicotine, and it was after this very purge that my addiction seized. Anyone who has tried to stop smoking knows that the body craves it... but my body didn't crave it. I had purged it. I was clean.

Forgiveness is so powerful. Whatever someone does to me I will forgive them. This truth that I have beheld changes everything for me. Without writing a biographical epic let me just say that, for me, this changes everything. Makes me very powerful, unstoppable, peaceful, stress free and unified.

The Seventh Ceremony
I drank the same amount in the final ceremony as in the previous one. I turned to the girl to my right and said in response to us both cringing at the disgusting taste of Ayahuasca: "We don't have to drink anymore!" And happy I was for this as I could not drink anymore. It tasted so bad. So horrible.

I laid down. I could feel the sea sickness arriving, but not too much. No visions came. No colors. I did not seem to cross over. I sensed this was because it was finished. I had made it. I had learned all I needed to learn. I was as healed as I could be at this point in time. But there was a small thought that was haunting me...

An idea, deep in my mind... an idea I did not like one bit... and something that I had never ever done before, and never thought I could do...

"Maybe you should drink another cup?"

For a long time I wrestled with this idea. This was why there were no visions, I had not drank enough. But I was also satisfied and did not feel I needed any more visions or experiences. I should just lie there listening to the Icaros and enjoying myself. But I started to understand that it had not been a question... it was a command.

"Maybe you should drink another cup!"

It was inevitable. It was not about if I should drink, but you will drink... I placed my face in my hands. "My God... I have to drink more." I informed Tyler I wanted another cup and this really scared me, because now the information was out in the open. Now there was no turning back.

He led me, like a sacrificial lamb, into the center of the Maloka.

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The roof top of the Maloka (the Temple).

I was given a cup with Ayahuasca. I sat for a while. I could not do this. I was ready to inform everyone that I had changed my mind. But eventually I drank. It was horrible. Once back on my mattress I felt somewhat pleased with myself that I had managed to do two cups in one night. I had managed to overcome the horror of drinking it. But another idea surfaced in my mind...

"It was finished!"

There would be no more visions, no effect, no more teachings... because just as I had felt at the beginning of the night; it was finished! I laughed.

The rain broke out heavily. Strong winds blew into the Maloka. It was a marvelous finish to the seven ceremonies.

When the ceremony was closed I was still awake for several hours... suddenly feeling quite smashed...

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There is nothing to fear

Love is strong

Forgiveness is power

Everything is infinite

Everything is beautiful

Don't pollute yourself

Magic is real

I spent the following week relaxing in Panama...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/IMG_5141_zpsfafc1c55.jpg

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Seeker of Truth
09-27-2014, 04:55 PM
Thank You for sharing this amazing experience/healing/wisdom/love dev, and Thank You Mother Ayahuasca.

Kiorionis
09-28-2014, 01:25 AM
Very good to hear about your ceremony experience, I'm glad you were able to go back :)

Salazius
09-28-2014, 09:51 AM
Thank you Dev for this great report. Even if words cannot really explain what you felt, I could feel, the experiences you had.

Thank you :)

Ghislain
09-28-2014, 05:11 PM
My Ayahuasca journeys.

Where do I begin, for it matters not what I put into words here it will limit/inhibit the truth of what I wish to convey. I will try, but, as Dev has already stated, this is something that has to be experienced by the individual; keep in mind that words are created for this world they are not needed beyond it and trust me they are limited.

I have travelled through many ceremonies and, unlike some of the experiences I have heard from others, I most often travel to the same world, this world once entered feels like a return home. I would love to describe this world, but even if I wrote a few more pages on just that it wouldn't do it justice as there is nothing here in this world to compare it to; I guess I could say that all the ceremonies have been one long journey and all but a few at the beginning include this world.

I travel with one intention...to find the truth.

I would just like to state that the majority of what is experienced is forgotten and this happens for a good reason, which I will explain later.

What follows is a summary of my travels...

I started travelling back in 2011, but have since realised that I have been getting flashes/signs since I was a young child one of which is a strange feeling, which surfaces periodically, and when I try to express this feeling in words it comes out sounding odd...even to me...and this flash is a feeling that I am me. Can you see how odd that is? Of course I am me, I know it and the people I try to explain this to know it so how is this a sign you may ask. It is the feeling that comes with it, that it is strange to be me among a population of billions, that I am not someone else looking at me I AM me looking at everyone else, I am responsible for everything I do and say and my thoughts are my own. I have never been able to get others to see how strange this feeling is.

Sorry for that digression, but it will become relevant as the story continues.


My very first ceremony was a trial run where everyone took just a small drink of the medicine so that the individual effect could be assessed. During the day there was a group sharing session where people related their experience to others. One person started and then it was taken in turn to speak going clockwise around the group. Most were stating that they felt something...I thought “Something!”...they had to be understating. By the time it got to me no one had mentioned any visions and I began to feel that if I described my experience people would think me mad, for I had spent the night at a really surreal circus...I won't go into details suffice to say it was strange and I realised that I must be extremely sensitive to this medicine...I now know that I am.

My second ceremony was amazing. I was lying on my mat in a state of bliss when a maestros came to sing an Ikaros. All I could do was blow her a kiss and smile, to which I heard a little giggle. After the Ikaros was sung, which was beautiful, she then began to work on me, she leaned forward and sucked something from my head at which point I shot into space and was looking down on the world...I wasn't in my body but was just a shining light. There were other lights around me and I knew what they knew and visa versa; I felt that I could know anything. I realised that we created this world and got the feeling it was a game or a learning tool...both of which I now know to be wrong.

Like Dev I thought, “well that was good, the next ceremony will be even better”, but in the next ceremony I was in a city with a race of people I can only explain as Egyptian like, but very advanced and I was one of them. There was a celebration going on and everyone was trying to get me to join in, but I wanted to get back into space. I ran from room to room looking for some sort of portal to get me back there, all to no avail; I felt that I had wasted the journey :(. Not to worry, I would try again in the next ceremony...how wrong was I?

The next ceremony started off as normal, but grew ever stronger until I couldn't cope and needed help. I got someone to take me to the toilet where I purged big time in what is called a platinum purge...this is where you purge from both ends at the same time. A sweat came over me and instantly ran all over my body dripping off the ends of my fingers, as quickly as it started it was over, it lasted about 30 seconds; “surely it will get easier now” I thought, but no...it became ever stronger and I thought I was bound to die. I couldn't get off the toilet, it felt like the shaman were in the walls tormenting me. Finally three people picked me up with my pants around my ankles...dignity wasn't an issue at this point...after pulling up my pants they carried me back to my mat in the maloka. I just layed for the rest of the ceremony hoping I would come out the other side of it ok.

It was in the next ceremony that I entered the world I now know so well. It would make no sense in explaining this world as it has no comparison here. There I met a race of people for want of a better word; I cant say alien as that would imply they came from somewhere else in our universe, that didn't feel right... I think a better description would be that they were from another dimension. I would describe them as blue, tall, monkey faced and dressed in amazing robes, but that is only an attempt to describe them. I had the feeling they knew much more than me, but even though they were aware I was there they just ignored me and went about there business. I felt I was just tolerated by them and couldn't tell if they were a danger or not. Sometimes they would play tricks where they would don horrible masks and terrify me, but I could tell this just amused them...didn't make it any less scary though.

Whenever I travelled I started from this point and got the same reception...a look as if to say, “oh its you again” until I entered, what Dev describes as, a hall...this is very intense...the information flow, the lights and colours, the speed of movement is so overpowering...the only way to give it some form of understanding is to say...imaging taking a cat by the tail, spin it rapidly in many directions among some amazing lights and colours and every now and then slamming it into a wall, resting for a while and then do it all over again...and that just begins to explain the hall. It is so overpowering you plead for it to stop. I always promise that if it stops I'll never take the medicine again...it only stops when the time is right, what happens then is that you enter the other world a different mind...you know so much, it feels absolutely normal, you laugh at some of the problems you encounter in this world realising they are totally irrelevant. You understand the purging and why it is necessary...all the torment in the hall creates a right of passage so to speak.

I was on one particularly intense journey through the hall when I found out what the blue people are. They are there as guides when things get a little rough, for they pulled me out of the hall and through to the other world and I realised they were there solely for me and other travellers like me.
Their indifference in the past was that I had entered their world with 'this world mind' and as such I am seen as a baby...as long as I was ok they just let me get on with things as you do with babies. The scary mask bit was similar to when we play boo with a baby.

I see the hall as a place where information is restored to us, this is our natural state, we know everything.

After being in the other world, before I could return to this world I entered a room...very difficult to describe, I knew what the room was and accepted it...you cannot return to this world with all that knowledge. I have described this room as similar to the decompression chamber deep see divers use to avoid the benz or bends. You stay in the room while the knowledge is removed for you can't re-enter this world with all that knowledge. At this point I felt it would be too much for our human brains to cope with. During this procedure I realised that there are leaks of this information which we can perceive and we call this intuition.

On this particular trip to Peru everything went as expected except that I found I am even more sensitive to the medicine than I was before and on my first five journeys I had to have help from the sitters as the experience through the hall was ultra intense. Touching someone really grounds you and allows you to cope much better. The sitters were concerned that I may be disturbing the other's journeys, but in the sharing sessions people said the opposite and that my expression of the torment actually helped them on their journey. I did apologise, but explained that what they heard and saw could only be explained if they could see what I was experiencing, it was totally out of my control.

On the third ceremony I broke through the hall and found myself in an amazing city. It was infinite and built from what appeared to be white marble. My experience there left me feeling I had reached the top...this was the pinnacle of my journey I had the answers, this was the city of the race that created our world...the next day I said I didn't need to go any further and was thinking of not drinking the medicine again. Then I realised that was a bit arrogant of me as I didn't know what more there may be to see and thus I continued.

I am so pleased that I did for so much more came from the next ceremony. Again I entered the city, but this time I felt the energy coming from the shaman. One wave of energy I felt brush against me and heal something inside and then I burst into another world where everything was just pure energy. I can only attempt to describe this...it was an infinite stream individual energy waves, each one a separate being, but all intertwined. As any one of the beings had a thought, that thought was immediately transferred to all the others by touch so that all the beings knew everything that all the others knew. In this place there was no time or space, everything was just now.

Also as each new individual thought is created that being becomes God. God can be any one of an infinite hive of beings that all act as one.

I noticed that I could ask questions here, these questions were posed in words but the answers came as instant knowledge, a sort of knowing. I asked what the purpose of the world was and I now know it is an experimental place where the energy beings are trying to create a world where they can exist as separate entities just as we are. In their world there are no vices and hence there should be none here in this world for the experiment to be a success. Unfortunately because the idea is to be separate entities with free will the thoughts of these individuals don't have the benefit of infinite second opinion, thus so far, the experiment has never been successful and the experiment is reset when it appears to drift too far from the desired goal. This has been done many times before and is due to happen again soon...think Sodom and Gammorra.

We have heard the goal many times; As above so below, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven...etc...

Guides have been sent to try and influence the path in the form of prophets, but these have been either misunderstood, ignored or their message corrupted for the benefit of groups of individuals.


The reason the knowledge is not available here is that with that knowledge an influence may be placed on the individuals where they know that nothing matters, if the world ceased to exist it would make little to no difference to the infinite hive and this would defeat the objective of feeling/being the individualists that we are.

Now I can explain that strange feeling of being me...naturally I don't have this individualism, I belong to a hive of infinite beings, as we all do, all acting as one so to be me with my solitary thoughts is a strange alien feeling.

I have probably missed most of the information I would like to put forward, but how much is too much.

One side note: Mother Ayahuasca comes to you in the visions in the form of a snake. It can give you forbidden information/knowledge...Think Adam and Eve. The Garden of Eden is here.

Our bodies are just machines that carry one individual energy wave being. They are created from the same material as the Earth and when these bodies die they return to the earth and the energy being either returns to the hive...Heaven...or can be reincarnated to try again...Ashes to ashes dust to dust. I have seen nothing of hell unless it is the hall we have to travel on the way home...you wouldn't want to stay there for too long. ;)

I don't have the whole story only snippets and much of what I have written is my interpretation...to know more go and experience it for yourself.

Ghislain

III
09-29-2014, 03:18 AM
Thank you both Dev and Ghislain. I think both of you have shared well enough that despite the approximations, interpretatioins and limitations of language you have both conveyed to me at least, your experiences and understandings. Most excellent. Again, thank you.


BE IN LOVE.

thoth
09-30-2014, 12:01 AM
Dev & Ghislain,

Thank you very much for sharing theses experiences. Its hard to share such personal experiences on a public forum, but I'm sure it will encourage some to try this for themselves. Its certainly on the top of my list. Once circumstances allow I would love to do this.
I'm sure anyone who has tried truffles, or San Pedro would be very interested in this.

Dev I love the images they really give a vibe of what to expect

Salazius
09-30-2014, 08:29 AM
Thank you Guislain for sharing the report !


I noticed that I could ask questions here, these questions were posed in words but the answers came as instant knowledge, a sort of knowing. I asked what the purpose of the world was and I now know it is an experimental place where the energy beings are trying to create a world where they can exist as separate entities just as we are. In their world there are no vices and hence there should be none here in this world for the experiment to be a success. Unfortunately because the idea is to be separate entities with free will the thoughts of these individuals don't have the benefit of infinite second opinion, thus so far, the experiment has never been successful and the experiment is reset when it appears to drift too far from the desired goal. This has been done many times before and is due to happen again soon...think Sodom and Gammorra.

Amazing.

Awani
11-24-2014, 10:11 AM
Had to place this image here...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/turnthelightonbystevegriffith_zpsdfb1f6b4.jpg
"Turn the light on" by Steve Griffith

:cool:

Awani
12-11-2014, 01:55 PM
Another image representing my Ayahuasca experiences...

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/1559577_10205299316431932_4825583499217487440_n_zp sff369131.jpg

:cool:

Ghislain
06-24-2015, 06:58 AM
All I can say is hehe....

Over four hours of this...watch in full screen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1219&v=Fi2PPHEqXsw

Ghislain

Ghislain
07-28-2015, 06:35 PM
For those of you who read of my experiences in post 62 of this thread, I mentioned the Hallway.


Whenever I travelled I started from this point and got the same reception...a look as if to say, “oh its you again” until I entered, what Dev describes as, a hall...this is very intense...the information flow, the lights and colours, the speed of movement is so overpowering...the only way to give it some form of understanding is to say...imaging taking a cat by the tail, spin it rapidly in many directions among some amazing lights and colours and every now and then slamming it into a wall, resting for a while and then do it all over again...and that just begins to explain the hall. It is so overpowering you plead for it to stop. I always promise that if it stops I'll never take the medicine again...it only stops when the time is right, what happens then is that you enter the other world a different mind...you know so much, it feels absolutely normal, you laugh at some of the problems you encounter in this world realising they are totally irrelevant. You understand the purging and why it is necessary...all the torment in the hall creates a right of passage so to speak.

I have made a Gif file that is something like what you see as you pass through this Hallway...it isn't perfect but it may give you some idea.

I'll post it with a link as some may not like to watch it as it dose contain some fast moving and flashing images.

The Hallway (thealchemyforum.com/Images/My Hallway)

Keep in mind while you watch this, you can turn it off.

Ghislain

Ghislain
08-31-2015, 05:45 PM
In a recent TED talk I watched, Adam Oliver Brown describes his experience with ayahuasca. In this talk he describe what I call “the hallway”, and each time I have described it I always feel I have not conveyed the intensity of this part of the journey...so I have transcribed Adams version of this as he does it so well...

“all of a sudden the colours came rushing at me and I found my self blasted off into the universe on the back of some kind of fractal fireworks rollercoaster. So I was travelling through the universe at light speed with the visuals becoming much much more intense at this point, with colourful mandalas of fractals opening and closing and spiralling around each other like clockwork, so quickly I couldn’t take it all in, and at this point I was also physically being thrown around by the violent turbulance of the wild ride on this comet that I was travelling through the universe on; then again I had to say to myself, ‘this is so wierd’, because rationally I was able to recognise that there shouldn’t be any lights, I’m in the dark in a hut in Peru, then why am I feeling that my body is being thrown around. So this was a really all encompassing experience at this point, and I have to admit at this point it was a little much for me and I started to panic thinking I don’t like this any more I want to get off, but of course you can’t, that you were on this ride until the very end and at some point I admitted that to myself and said well we’re just going to have to ride it out and so I did and thankfully this really intense part of the trip lasted for... oh... another hour... or so, and so that was fun, but when that subsided we came down into this really thick, quiet, warm, emotionally laden place, it wasn’t a room...it was like more of a zone and this zone was bordered with a big red velvety curtain... what came next was truly astonishing to me. Thats another story ;)

Watch the whole talk HERE (http://reset.me/video/ted-talk-i-drank-ayahuasca-and-then-this-happened/)

Ghislain

Awani
08-31-2015, 09:26 PM
That is a good description I think... especially towards the end when you finally cross the threshold from the hallway into the living room... and that "realm"... quiet and warm place...

Guess the hallway experience can be compared to being flushed down the toilet into the "abyss of the mind".

:cool:

Awani
01-03-2016, 02:11 AM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/12400639_559757767506639_2624066488458101874_n_zps rxdxoq4a.jpg

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Ghislain
01-03-2016, 07:34 AM
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb332/wombat1st/junky_zpsqjsvn5oe.jpg?t=1451719969

:confused:

Ghislain

Awani
01-09-2016, 04:56 AM
The Sixth Ceremony

...But love changes everything. Previously I had said "fuck off" to these negative energies, now I forgave them. Love is pure. Forgivness is power. I cried. I saw my life and how it could be actually lived. With love and forgiveness nothing negative can touch me. I puked.

It was one simple barf. It was dry. It didn't even taste anything. Very strange. Perhaps it didn't taste bad because everything I purged had been forgiven unlike previous nights when I had condemned and damned the shit that I purged.

Forgiveness is so powerful. Whatever someone does to me I will forgive them. This truth that I have beheld changes everything for me. Without writing a biographical epic let me just say that, for me, this changes everything. Makes me very powerful, unstoppable, peaceful, stress free and unified.


I never wrote exactly what a lot of the "bold" things above was about. Now I will reveal it.

It was about the fact that my father abandoned me as a child. All my life I have had hate, anger and dreams of violent revenge. In the ceremony described above I "let it all go" (forgave)... and I never looked back... not long after my father died (apparently).

I just found out yesterday that he had died when I got a letter from the tax office about laying claims to his estate (if he has any, don't know yet but doubt it)!

If I had not been healed his death would have hit me in a very negative way, I know this for a fact. Now it did not cause be any pain at all.

Yet another reason for me to fully follow the teachings of this Sacred Medicine! :)

:cool:

Quarrox
02-02-2017, 08:50 PM
Wow, what a fantastic experience! I will read the whole thread (i'm still one page 1).

Anyways, i have an invitation to an ayahuasca / yagé session, which takes place here in Colombia in a few days, out in the nature. The women will remain in the house during the session, the men will be outside.

I am excited and prepared and will participate in humility, gratefulness and with an open mind. Although i will just take it as it comes, i would like to improve myself concerning patience (where i lack badly), ego and spiritual growth. Any recommendations?

Schmuldvich
02-02-2017, 09:05 PM
Any recommendations?
Roll with it! Absolutely do not fight anything. Just experience what you were meant to experience. When the time is right, reflect...and learn. Happy travels! :)

Quarrox
02-02-2017, 09:19 PM
Thanks Schmuld for the positive wishes! I will report on a later date

Quarrox
02-03-2017, 12:01 AM
Thank you Dev and Ghislain for your very impressive reports, and thanks to all contributors.

Awani
02-05-2017, 04:22 AM
Glad you enjoyed it. And as always everything in this report is surface fluff. The real meat is impossible to put into language.

Have a clear intention. Whatever happens surrender to it. Be humble. Allegorically try and experience the journey with the heart not the brain.

Purge your guts out. ;)

:cool:

Quarrox
02-13-2017, 05:03 PM
Hi dear Alchemists

The following is my personal Ayahuasca / Yagé report (I prefer to call it Yagé). It is quite some text, as I try to describe as much as possible. Sorry for my English. Of course words cannot even describe a tiny fraction of what really happened.

The session took place yesterday, 11/12. Feb. 2017 during a fullmoon night with a penumbral moon eclipse. I am sorry that photos are not available, as cell phones were prohibited during the ceremony, so i left mine at home taking the opportunity to disconnect for a day or two.

A friend, my cousin and i traveled via bus to a mountain village, where Ricardo, one of the helpers of the Taita (the Shaman) already awaited us at the center plaza of the village. We were the first ones of the group to arrive, so we had some conversation with the assistant while waiting for the rest of the group. After some participants arrived, the Taita arrived as the last. The Taita belongs to an indigenous tribe and is a member of an old Taita family, some say he is one of the best of the country. His circle follows a naturalistic, holistic way while there are more dogmatic and religious circles using crosses and saints etc in their ceremony.

Fast forward, we arrived at the Finca (a simple country cottage on a slope with a fantastic view into the cloud forest valley and very secluded) of Don Alvaro and his wife. At the backside of their house they had cows, rabbits, pigs, dogs, chickens and 1 turkey. We had to sit in front of the Taita where we received some Rapé blows to the nose (Kind of Tobacco snuff). The Rapé was very sharp and hot and produced some tears in the eyes, but it’s effects were very relaxing. We also received some protectoral makeup to the face (red color from a plant sack. According to the Taita, the symbols marked us to the good spirits as members of their family and hence hindering negative entities to attack). We waited until 11 pm, until the last participants arrived by foot. After the last instructions, one after the other took his cup of Yagé. The taste was horrible, very bitter.

Just after the last one took his Yagé, heavy rain set in and hit on the corrugated metal roof. The noise was loud and rhythmic. We sat there on our deck chairs, meditating and covered in blankets. Soon the first ones, including my cousin, went outside to vomit in the pasture. I felt sick in the stomach but was unable to vomit, i just had to belch constantly, so after a while i helped by sticking down two fingers as the ill feeling in the stomach was annoying. During vomiting i saw a worm twisting and winding in the grass in front of me. I felt like it was some kind of Omen to me.

We entered the house again and kept on meditating. Soon the chanting began, followed by some beautiful harmonica music. I defined my goals for the session: Spiritual guidance and assistance to stop smoking. I felt very comfortable, but no "true" effects set in. My friend however seemed, nervous and was walking around. The assistants brought him to the Taita, the Taita blew smoke at him and chanted at him. One women was laying on the floor. I felt Diarrhea setting in and had to go to the bathroom. After a while, perhaps 1 hour passed, me and my cousin went outside to the campfire to smoke a cigarette, we felt nearly nothing and became carefree and arrogant by saying that this stuff was mild and at best a nice little helper for meditating - a huge mistake as you will see. At this time, my cousin and me were the only people outside at the campfire.

I had to go to the toilet again, so i told my cousin i'll be right back. While sitting on the toilet, my friend knocked on the door and said that the Taita want to talk to me, my friend and my cousin. I had no clue what he wanted from us, so we went to him. The Taita asked us to drink a extremely high potent Yagé-blend. Normally only the people from his tribe in the jungle use this blend, it was the first time he brought this blend to his cricle session, not even his assistants have tried it. So why should we 3 be the first to take it? I had no idea at the time but at the end of my report you will see why. We drank it and this Yagé taste was even worse - so bitter, dark and thick.

We went outside again, where we placed our deck chairs at the campfire. The sick feeling came very fast, after 5 minutes i just wanted to vomit, so i helped myself with two fingers as I still could not vomit without help.

Now a kind of waves came over me, making me feel very uncomfortable and sick. Laying on the deck chair felt very bad. Suddenly i had the urge to get up and wander around, it was finally happening. I lost control about my feet and balance and was falling around, i wanted to see the Taita for help but was only able to get to the doorstep outside where I laid down in the dirt, i did not care and could not get up again. Hot and cold and then hot and cold sweat and flushes at the same time was pouring out of my pores, soaked up by my cardigan. It was so cold outside, at least that was what i felt. I heard the voice of my cousin in the distance, asking if I’m okay. I just answered to please leave me alone.

People walked by and asked me things, but I was unable to understand them and was unable to care for it. I started to beg that it please stop. No chance, the Yagé is merciless, it got worse and worse. Somehow I got up and stumbled back to the chair and laid down, I opened my eyes and watched the sky, it was full of fractal patterns in all kinds of color, moving in small clusters and these small clusters moved inside bigger clusters, it was a big orchestra of dancing, sacred geometry patterns. The whole sky was covered in it. Total information overload, I could not stand it, it was too much. I kept on begging that it may stop, but it was just the beginning and I started thinking that I had become insane, and I was totally insane at that time and as mentioned in this thread in another report, I too was convinced that I will remain insane forever.

I moaned and wailed and tossed around in my deck chair and now suddenly entered a room in very fluid colors, the biggest part of it was golden, it seemed somehow like a glittering room made of golden square stones / bricks or the alike. I knew I opened the curtain to another dimension. Ugly faces laughed at me. I noted that an assistant came to bring me inside the house to the Taita. The assistant, my friend and my cousin were helping me to move towards the door. I just felt like dying, my energy ran out and I was convinced that I was dying, my body felt like dying away. Or maybe, as I believe someone already mentioned somewhere “giving birth to myself through my heart”, I would call it in my case giving birth to myself through my mind and dying at the same time. I was ready to die and i wanted to die; I could not stand this ultimative madness anymore and wanted to stop my mind processing information, forgeting that consciousness cannot die.

I felt down at the door and started to crawl towards the Taita. I was unable to understand the concept of above (ceiling), down (floor), front (Wall, door and Taitas corner), in short, I was unable to understand the concept of the 3-dimensional physical plane and how to act there. Somehow with the help of the others I laid down on the concrete floor in front of the Taita. He started chanting and puffing smoke at me while i convulsed on the floor. As they later told me, they chanted 7 Icaros while I was going through hell. I heard other people of our group moan and cry around me, but I was unable to fully come back to our dimension. Voices were laughing at me and mocking me, some of the high, others low, pure schizophrenia, I also heard cows, pigs and dogs screaming and grunting (not from the ones from outside) and saw strange figures and silhouettes, I was trapped in pure insanity, terror and madness or should I say I was trapped in hell. The Yagé was too powerful, it was unbearable.

I also was convinced that I “sh*tted“ myself, and that my pants were pulled down and the other people in the room were laughing at me and making photos of me. All of this was not true, as I have not “sh*tted myself, my pants were up and nobody laughed at me as they were busy themselves and nobody had a cell phone pointed at me as these were prohibited. I now am sure that these were fears of me expressed in this form and leaving my mind while i got purified. And the voices and screaming animals and faces were astral larvaes, parasites and “hellish” beings that I carried around with me, planting bad thoughts and negativity in my brain and tormenting me. They were leaving my mind and my astral body too.

An assistant of the Taita sprayed some kind of liquid from his mouth in my face. I think I left my body completely and connected with my higher self in another plane asking to help myself to face the situation. It helped somewhat for some time, as I managed to see things from above metaphorically speaking and understood that i just had to let it happen and pass.

Now came a revelation, or a vision in its clearest and purest form: Something, I believe I saw a white mist, told me nonverbally that I was God. I misunderstood it. I thought I alone am God and that everything that was, is, and will be are just parts in my mind, the program, that included also every person I ever knew, my parents, my family, my friends, my former friends, even you and your comments in this thread and people that I used to know, they were all just virtual bits in my mental software, nothing and nobody was as real as I was. I saw and heard trumpets and fanfares. I panicked as I realized I was all alone, being a lonely God and did not want to accept that nothing that was, is, or will be including the other people are real, the idea was pure terror to me. My mind was the program, I was the program. I kept on saying things like “no, no!”, “stop it”, “aaargh”, “wow”, “woooooow”, “help me Taita”, “I cannot bear it”, etc. I kept on saying these things for hours and kept on rolling on the floor, kicking my feet against the floor, moaning, wailing and changing positions. I sweared that I will be another person in the future and that I will change my attitude towards others and begged again to be released.

I later understood the true meaning of the revelation: Every person is God; every person carries the divine spark and is therefore divine too. We all are connected by a divine fluid and we all shall return home. The revelation was a personal one, so i thought it only counts for me. At least I do interpret it this way. I believe that that what we call GOD gave me an idea how it is to be God from its own perspective, just for a moment, not saying that i was God, the divine power, that would have been impossible. Perhaps i was allowed to have it's perspective for a short time. I could not handle it. It was infinitely overwhelming, beyond words. Well, at least it is my interpretation, i cannot prove it.

After a while the Taita requested me to stand up, but I was only able to answer incoherent things, like “I cannot. The program is still not fully uploaded, 40% still needs to be uploaded. The defragmentation is going on” etc. I noted that some people found it funny what I said, but i have no problem with it.

After a while I was able to get up, the visions were gone, I walked/stumbled back to my deck chair and meditated until sunrise. I felt peace like i never felt before. My cousin remained there meditating, as I later found out he only vomited but had almost no mental effects, although he received the high potency Yagé like me, but maybe his brain is different or he needs another, second session. My friend saw ghosts walking around, some in the trees others in or around the house, some were people, some were non human beings.

The diarrhea continued the complete following day and I did not sleep for a total of over 30 hours. The morning after the session, the Taita asked everyone to reunite in the house and he requested me to talk about my experience in front of the others. I did not want to explain in every detail what happened, so I just said that the Yagé was very powerful, too powerful for me. He told me that I also traveled astrally to my home country and that I entered the underworld of the low spehres where I had to face my inner demons, what I would confirm.

Finally he told that I was a highly developed being, spiritually speaking, but that I lack respect, that I shall learn to listen and let people speak without interrupt them and that I shall think first, then speak. He is right with his critique i think. I had no respect to the holy Yagé brew, as I foolishly thought and said that it was easy and mild, a child’s play so to say, so I got punished. I don’t know how the Taita did get knowledge of my arrogance outside at the camp fire, but I assumed that it was the reason that he gave me an overdose of the Jungle-Yagé the indigenous tribes use.

I do show a lot of respect and awe now to the holy Yagé and decided to change my attitude towards others. The lesson I learned is that all that matters is pure love in its highest form as well as compassion. We all have the same source to which we all shall return.

I am not ashamed that I was the one with the hardest or one of the hardest breakdown, as I received the highest dose along with my other two companions and after all, all the participants and staff are family, I made a lot of new friends (most of them are recurrent participants). And I promised to myself and to the Taita that I will think and act differently from now on.

This was the most incredible, most extreme and most meaningful event in my whole life. And although it was extremely ugly and hard for the most of the time, it was the best thing that could have happen to me. I am humble now and deeply grateful for this INCREDIBLE experience – wow, just WOW... As I said, words cannot describe what happened even a tiny bit.

If you ask me if I recommend making this experience, then I say do it if you feel to do it. I would say it is not for everybody, but everybody who is predestined to do it will do it. It is hardcore, at least for me.

Again two quotes that I read in the internet or in the thread about it:

“You never seek the Ayahuasca, the Ayahuasca seeks you”. And: “10 years of therapy, downloaded in one night”.

I would maybe do it again, I am still not sure (the next session with this circle would be in two months), but if yes, then rather with a normal, lower dose. The Taita takes it 3 times a week and started with the age of 8.

One last thing: If I had to compare it to mushrooms & mescaline (I have experience with those), then I must say they are incomparable and beyond words. The Yagé is light years and dimensions stronger and holier (this is my opinion) and I am convinced that the Yagé does not create hallucinations but opens the curtain to other dimensions and shows you other realities while it makes me think that our reality is an illusion, just a simulation.

That was my Yagé-Report. I'm sitting in my office and even it is my own business, it doesn't make sense to work and keep running in the hamster wheel. I got much more than only spiritual guidance, i got a divine kiss and a tiny glance into the true "as it is" imo. As for the smoking, so far i have stopped, i hope it will last for ever.

Much love to all of you

Awani
02-13-2017, 06:14 PM
The following is my personal Ayahuasca / Yagé report...

Thank you for the detailed report. I know exactly what you went through (good and "bad") - even if I can't also not imagine it at all. :)

I will digest it further and give a more detailed response. I think WOW is the best word in general and I agree fully. No other "psychedelic" is like it... it is truly amazing especially when done in the right set and setting. It is humbling to say the least, and you will carry it with you for the rest of your life. It is a blessing, and that is an understatement.

One important thing to remember when drinking Ayahuasca is: never trust a fart

:cool:

Awani
02-13-2017, 07:10 PM
I liked your report and here are some thoughts on what you said, and some suggestions you might want to try if you decide to do it again. Things that I learned through my own Great Work with this Master of Plants.


The session took place... during a fullmoon night with a penumbral moon eclipse.

Ayahuaca (from my experience) is always more powerful during the full moon. All my "hard" and "frightening" experiences have all been during the full moon.


...so after a while i helped by sticking down two fingers as the ill feeling in the stomach was annoying.

I would suggest in the future not to "aid" the vomit (The Purge). If you cannot vomit then instead drink some more Ayahuasca. Let it happen as it happens, without forcing it out.


...we felt nearly nothing and became carefree and arrogant by saying that this stuff was mild and at best a nice little helper for meditating - a huge mistake as you will see.

LOL. Yes I have done the same. One time I bragged that I did not need any extra protection against fear as I viewed myself as not having any... then Ayahuasca decided to teach me a lesson in fear. To be humble at all times is essential. I'll never make that mistake ever again.


I could not stand it, it was too much. I kept on begging that it may stop, but it was just the beginning and I started thinking that I had become insane, and I was totally insane at that time and as mentioned in this thread in another report, I too was convinced that I will remain insane forever.

I have been in this place on more than one occasion and there is only one thing that helps. Love. It is true.

The problem is the thinking bit. Don't think. Experience. If you experience with the mind... you think. But if you experience with the heart you do not think. You feel... you experience.

Breathe slow, calm... no matter how crazy it gets just try and focus on your heart. Surrender fully. It works... and you will find that the truly insane mind is not the one who has drank Ayahuasca, but perhaps those that wants to make it illegal. :)

To repeat myself: the mind is connected with this Physical Plane... the mind IS insane... has to be to survive in this world... but the Heart is not. The Heart lives in all realms. So go through future ceremonies with the heart.

Pray during session. All that stuff... it truly works... based on my experience and from others I know.


...being a lonely God...

Well I think in fact God is lonely and that this is the reason we exist. We are the imaginary friends of God. ;) But I also agree with your own conclusions. Both work simultaneously.


My cousin remained there meditating, as I later found out he only vomited but had almost no mental effects, although he received the high potency Yagé like me, but maybe his brain is different or he needs another, second session.

Everyone gets what they need. I have had ceremonies with no visions at all, and they have been just as healing.


The lesson I learned is that all that matters is pure love in its highest form as well as compassion. We all have the same source to which we all shall return.

Word. And there is a great difference in being aware of this and knowing this (from experience). Makes all the difference.


...as I received the highest dose along with my other two companions...

Don't be fooled to think the dose makes a difference. ;)


If I had to compare it to mushrooms & mescaline (I have experience with those), then I must say they are incomparable and beyond words. The Yagé is light years and dimensions stronger

This I agree with, however there is one plant that is even more powerful and probably the Master Plant of all Master Plants: The Sacred Wood a.k.a. Iboga (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3386-Iboga-Report). Although I do not recommend it... for a spiritual path Ayahuasca is the perfect plant IMO.


Much love to all of you.

And to you.

If you do it again, or not, is not important... one session can last a lifetime... but if you decide to go down this path then do it fully. What I mean is try and elevate through each session. Do the work. Do the homework. Don't drink again so you need to learn the same thing again. This is where the respect comes in. Go forward. There is much more to learn.

I cannot wait till I do it again... and I am utterly terrified of that day. As any SANE person should be. But I am also grateful. And humble.

:cool:

Quarrox
02-13-2017, 08:53 PM
I liked your report and here are some thoughts on what you said, and some suggestions you might want to try if you decide to do it again. Things that I learned through my own Great Work with this Master of Plants.



Ayahuaca (from my experience) is always more powerful during the full moon. All my "hard" and "frightening" experiences have all been during the full moon.



I would suggest in the future not to "aid" the vomit (The Purge). If you cannot vomit then instead drink some more Ayahuasca. Let it happen as it happens, without forcing it out.



Thank you, i appreciate that you liked the report. And i will remember to not aid the purge, in case i will be part of another session.




LOL. Yes I have done the same. One time I bragged that I did not need any extra protection against fear as I viewed myself as not having any... then Ayahuasca decided to teach me a lesson in fear. To be humble at all times is essential. I'll never make that mistake ever again.

Right, i will always remember too. The Yagé is like a kind of father or teacher. If you misbehave it will knock on your fingers.




I have been in this place on more than one occasion and there is only one thing that helps. Love. It is true.

Absolutely brother.



The problem is the thinking bit. Don't think. Experience. If you experience with the mind... you think. But if you experience with the heart you do not think. You feel... you experience.

Yes, i will try this approach. Since love is the answer, to feel is the right approach. Love and logic do not fit together necessarily.


Breathe slow, calm... no matter how crazy it gets just try and focus on your heart. Surrender fully. It works... and you will find that the truly insane mind is not the one who has drank Ayahuasca, but perhaps those that wants to make it illegal. :)

True words. A very interesting and true way to think about it.


To repeat myself: the mind is connected with this Physical Plane... the mind IS insane... has to be to survive in this world... but the Heart is not. The Heart lives in all realms. So go through future ceremonies with the heart.

Noted. But a question: If there is a mental plane (besides physical, astral and possibly a divine plane), how would the mind be connected (if) to this mental plane? Any theories or knowledge?



Pray during session. All that stuff... it truly works... based on my experience and from others I know.

I never prayed during the session, i only begged. Perhaps this is the deciding difference.



Well I think in fact God is lonely and that this is the reason we exist. We are the imaginary friends of God. ;) But I also agree with your own conclusions. Both work simultaneously.

Like the hermetic idea, we and everything that is, are the dream/the thought of the divine ALL.





Everyone gets what they need. I have had ceremonies with no visions at all, and they have been just as healing.

I think that was what happened to my cousin. He is a bit disappointed, but i told him he should give it another try and at least he got the physical cleansing.




Don't be fooled to think the dose makes a difference. ;)

Absolutely correct, and it sounded cocky. I just got what was necessary to experience what i had to experience.




This I agree with, however there is one plant that is even more powerful and probably the Master Plant of all Master Plants: The Sacred Wood a.k.a. Iboga (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3386-Iboga-Report). Although I do not recommend it... for a spiritual path Ayahuasca is the perfect plant IMO.

I think the Yagé is the ultimate maximum for me, everything above it would be dangerous to me, so i think.




And to you.

If you do it again, or not, is not important... one session can last a lifetime... but if you decide to go down this path then do it fully. What I mean is try and elevate through each session. Do the work. Do the homework. Don't drink again so you need to learn the same thing again. This is where the respect comes in. Go forward. There is much more to learn.

I cannot wait till I do it again... and I am utterly terrified of that day. As any SANE person should be. But I am also grateful. And humble.

:cool:

Thank you. I wish you another revealing journey the next time you dive into it. And many new insights.

Awani
02-13-2017, 09:38 PM
But a question: If there is a mental plane (besides physical, astral and possibly a divine plane), how would the mind be connected (if) to this mental plane? Any theories or knowledge?

I remember in one ceremony I felt cold, and became worried I would get the flu. I could feel it in my throat. When all this was happening I was deep inside the Ayahuasca Realm (so to speak) and I saw myself before me. I asked myself if I also felt cold. Instantly I got very confused and I realised that my mind was not ME... not the me typing these words right now. The mind - the conscious being - was someone else... someone that - in the Ayahuasca - became more obvious.

It is very hard to explain, and it was totally weird.

I see the concept of the Spirit as the eternal conscious Mind. Some call it the Soul... but I prefer the term Spirit. It could also be called Higher Spirit or Elevated Spirit, since we are all Spirits even if we are down here in the mud.

Allegory: the Spirit is the radio station. The Body is the actual Radio. The Mind is the Antenna on that radio.


This is my answer if I understood your question correctly.



I never prayed during the session, i only begged. Perhaps this is the deciding difference.

I think so.

Beg: please don't hurt me
Pray: be gentle with me

Big difference. ;)

:cool:

Ghislain
02-14-2017, 08:33 AM
Thanks for sharing Quarrox.

That read as an amazing experience, did you pass through into a peaceful realm and are you aware of the amnesia that seems to happen on your return, or is it still clear in your mind?

To have such an intense initial journey must have been quite daunting.

In respect of mind...in my understanding, the mind is just a part of what is and as such cannot be separated from anything else. As this world is illusion so too is the mind.

I wish you all the best if you decide to travel again :)

Ghislain

Quarrox
02-14-2017, 02:37 PM
Hi Ghislain,

thank you very much for your words.

Yes, the amnesia is happening, it happened soon after the ceremony, hence, writing it up soon after here in the forum helps me to keep the experience i had alive, vivid and connected in its structure.

I think about it most of the time. I now think the God-vision allowed me to see what God is, what it feels, and it was too intense for me as a human being. But i am not the same person as i was before, i crave for being with God, this is the end of the journey of all of us after many many lifes and experiences.

Thank you for sharing your idea of the mind, it does make sense to me, absolutely.

Aham
02-14-2017, 03:23 PM
Hi Quarrox, I don't mean any disrespect, to your experience and insights that you gained from the ceremony, by asking you this question but did the ceremony help in changing your mindset on smoking? Just curious :)

Schmuldvich
02-14-2017, 05:46 PM
Lovely relay of words and feelings. You will never be the same after this. Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Quarrox!

Quarrox
02-14-2017, 06:26 PM
@Aham, no disrespect at all. No, i still do crave the cigarette. Today the Taita visited us at my house, as we are looking for natural cures for several illnesses and problems. He is currently in the city. He left me a tobacco paste to put it in the mouth. Very strong. I shall use this instead of cigarettes until i finally will have the will power to let my addiction go. It is willpower, nothing else can cure it. The Taita has invitations in Czech Republic, Austria, Germany and if i remember right in England too. He will be in Europe during March/April. If anyone is interested in meeting him or attending a ceremony, please let me know by PM. He only speaks spanish and the language of his tribe.

@Schmuldvich: I shared it with pleasure and hope that it might help to those deciding who are not sure yet if they should it do or not. By the way, we will do it again in the beginning of March, my wife will join me, but she will only take the most mild variant as tea and i also will take only a much weaker dose. The overdose was enough for a lifetime i think :-)

Awani
02-14-2017, 08:53 PM
It takes three days for the body to stop craving... any craving after that is only mental.

:cool:

elixirmixer
02-14-2017, 10:27 PM
Dev, what does it cost to go on one of these 'missions'?

Edit: is there anyone that lives close to this special place where they do the shamanic experiences, that would be willing to escort me from an airport to this location? Being part of the White Supremicy Nations, makes me pretty scared to go anywhere else, because, well, the world has good reason to hate us lol

Awani
02-14-2017, 10:32 PM
Dev, what does it cost to go on one of these 'missions'?

That I cannot answer. Anything from 100 dollars to 5000 dollars + travel expenses. But the price is irrelevant. In retrospect my own initiations would be worth (to me) 10 000 dollars and I'd pay it gladly. I obviously did not pay anything even close to that... just trying to illustrate that "whatever the cost" just do it. ;)

It can be done cheap and be good or shit... and expensive and good and shit... it is all about where you go, who you meet etc etc.

It is all part of the journey. Just be aware there are Sith-Shamans. You don't want to run into one of them. ;) I am friends with many people who run retreats in style, big scale, small scale and no frills... but I never say where to go because I do not want to be responsible for anything. It is dangerous (although on paper Ayahuasca is extremely safest a substance if made correctly).

But can be dangerous if done with the wrong people, with the wrong brew etc... so if someone wants to go to the Amazon or elsewhere then that has to be on their own terms. All I can say is if the place chosen is potentially bad. That I can divulge. There are some to stay away from.

And I personally would not use a Gringo Shaman. But that is just me.

:cool:

elixirmixer
02-14-2017, 10:48 PM
Mainly @ Andro: Can anyone recommend a professional Shaman in Australia that they know and trust?

Schmuldvich
02-14-2017, 10:50 PM
To piggyback on what Dev is saying (and to add more), while a Shaman is certainly a must for a traditional experience, a Shaman is by no means needed to facilitate a fruitful journey. You can do this all in the comfort of your own room and learn just as much, if not more, than what you would learn by going through with a full-fledged traditional ceremony. As an experienced psychonaut myself, I do not recommend this (journeying by yourself unattended) for most people, just be aware this this option does remain, and that a trip far away to meet with a Shaman is not at all obligatory.

Awani
02-14-2017, 10:57 PM
I would never recommend doing it alone... unless very experienced and even then shit can go sideways.

However a true traditional Shaman of the Amazon in regards to Ayahuasca is at least 50 % of the whole thing... it is totally awesome. They should not be weighed lightly. A really good one can do amazing work. I mean it can be powerful even without using Ayahuasca even if you have a good Ayahuasquero [Ayahuasca Shaman].

:cool:

Quarrox
02-15-2017, 12:07 AM
@Dev, good to know concerning the cravings. I will patiently wait.

"Our" Shaman does not recommend doing it without supervision of an experienced Shaman with crew. I'm just repeating what he said to me on the way to the ceremony.

@Elixirmixer: The ceremony costed us around $25.- without transportation. Personally i would not want to miss the experience i made. And where i live for example, they do not hate the white man, they are generally very friendly and hospitable. And for the indigenous tribes, hate is something what they generally detest, as far as i can tell.

elixirmixer
02-15-2017, 02:16 AM
What part of the world are you refering to Quarrox, if you don't mind me asking?

Quarrox
02-15-2017, 02:30 AM
I am talking about Colombia. But as it is with Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia or Brazil or any other part of the world, the price depends on the Shaman. Personally i would put the Shamans knowledge, skills and reputation before the price.

elixirmixer
02-15-2017, 02:33 AM
Perhaps I shall do some Australian pioneering, by finding a repretable shaman, and attending some of their offered services. The idea of shamanism has always been a fond one of mine, but the idea that I can hire a well trained shaman, and that it could assist to speed my journey, is a very appealing concept indeed.

Awani
02-15-2017, 02:34 AM
It can be as cheap as Quarrox mentioned, because the prices I said would include food and a bed... if you do many ceremonies over many days. So yes, depends on the set-up.

I think many ceremonies in a row is very good. There is a program I've found where you do 70 ceremonies in 90 days and you train under one of the Shamans... and you are shown how to "find" your own Icaros. This is something I have in mind to do.

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Quarrox
02-15-2017, 02:45 AM
Thats right Dev. The price i mentioned is the very basic program. It's for 1 night with only simple chairs (i brought my foldable deck chair with me) and some matresses, some fruits and with one broth soup in the morning, you have to bring the stuff you want to have around you.

And as Dev said, there are several days programs with detoxification and rituals, that would cost more. Or you do the full package for genuine scholars. You can even stay some time with the tribe in their village.