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solomon levi
02-13-2010, 11:05 AM
I've just finished reading "The Alchemy of Air" by Thomas Hager.
It's an enjoyable read about the endeavors to make the nitrogen from
the air available for human use as fertilizers and explosives - mainly the
development of the Haber-Bosch process, because it was believed we would
eventually run out of natural nitrate fertilizers found in India and later the
massive amounts in Chile; and also feared that in a war the German shipping
routes could be blocked off and they would run out of nitrates to make bombs.
Anyway, here are some interesting details I learned from the book:


- Almost 80% of the earth's atmosphere is nitrogen. We breathe it in and out
all the time, and while human survival (all survival really) is dependent on
nitrogen (it is the basis of proteins and DNA), none of this atmospheric nitrogen
is available for use until it is fixed.
- The nitrogen of the air, N2 - di-nitrogen, is so stable it is almost impossible
to seperate its bond and thus it refuses all other relationships. (virgin?!)
It is inert, unavailable to living things - plants and animals.
Azoth/Azote means "without life".
- In nature, the covalent bond is strong. Sometimes there is an even stronger
double covalent bond. In N2, there is a triple bond! The strongest in nature.
It requires a heat of around 1000 C to break this bond and make the
nitrogen available. The only thing in nature that produces this heat is
a lightning bolt! (Zeus/Ammon/Jupiter)
Another natural fixer of nitrogen are special bacteria related to the roots
of legumes - beans, peas and clovers.
(Also rotting plants/compost, animal dung, urine and blood and hair and
hart's horn...)


Sounds like a good candidate for the Emerald Tablet.
That it is everywhere and yet unusable/unnoticed...
That it is a virgin...
That the volatile must be fixed to be of use...
We've already discussed the importance of ammoniac salts (fixed nitre)...

memphis_mizraim
02-13-2010, 12:29 PM
You have me addicted now to reading where do you find all these very interesting books. Many thanks wonderful reading on something we all take for granted.

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 12:41 PM
You're welcome. :)
I just came across this one "accidentally" at the library.


Oh, I forgot - another item that caught my eye was that while they were experimenting
with different catalysts which convert the pure hydrogen and pure nitrogen into ammonia,
at one stage they found a certain magnetite from a Swedish mine that worked particularly well.
Other magnetites were tested but gave disappointing results. Eventually the best and cheapest
catalyst was a mix of iron, aluminum oxide and calcium. Expensive and rare metals that worked
well were Osmium and Uranium.

Haber also spent five years studying extracting gold from sea waters, but found nothing to
indicate the process profitable - there was not enough gold per ton of sea water.
He used this ancient method of cupellation:

lead sulfide is used to precipitate gold from the water;
the resulting mix of lead and gold (and silver) was purified by burning off the lead and
then separating out the silver. The result was a small button of pure gold.

Ghislain
02-13-2010, 01:23 PM
This is strange Sol' as my background is horticulture and I have known
about lightning fixing nitrogen from the air so plants can use it.

I have often told people to notice how green the vegetation is shortly after
the storms.

There is usually lush vegetation growing under power lines...I wonder if they too can fix nitrogen.

Clover has nodules on its roots where bacteria fix nitrogen for the plants use.

http://www.biology.ed.ac.uk/research/groups/jdeacon/microbes/clover.jpg

Part of a clover root system bearing naturally occurring nodules of Rhizobium.
Each nodule is about 2-3 mm long.

Source: (http://www.biology.ed.ac.uk/research/groups/jdeacon/microbes/nitrogen.htm)

Does this mean that the old way of creating potassium nitrate using dung and
urine relies on these bacteria working to fix the nitrogen?

Also in the nitrogen cycle seen in the source above N03 is a natural part but does this have to
acquire the Cl and H needed for aqua regia. (Cl-H.H-N-O3)..is this requirement for all alkahest
that can dissolve gold?

Maybe placing some of those clover nodules in a digesting flask may speed it along?

Ghislain

Ghislain
02-13-2010, 01:29 PM
Just a thought...

If one uses the nodules from clover in a method is this plant or animal alchemy?

Ghislain

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 01:45 PM
Interesting points and questions.
I'm not sure if the bacteria are the same ones. I doubt it. I got the
impression that these were only found on the legumes.

Cyanide (CN - triple bond) also dissolves gold. It also has an interesting
etymology, relating to "blue" and "sky", but also to "dogs" as mentioned in
another thread.
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1220&page=4
(and on page 5)
Cyanide is also found in some plants.

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 03:41 PM
There was one other interesting part in the book.
Initially, the large steel containers in which the process took place would
be attacked and decomposed by the heat, pressure and the hydrogen,
causing the steel to become brittle. They even referred to hydrogen under
these conditions as "a universal solvent". No other metal they tried was able
to resist it.
To resolve this, they ended up just allowing it to happen, but doubling the
shell. At a certain depth, the pressure was not as great and the hydrogen
stopped attacking the steel. So they made inner shells that they would allow
to be attacked in order to preserve the outer machine as a whole. The inner
shell would be replaced after a time.


Antimony amalgamated with certain metals also makes them brittle.

LeoRetilus
02-13-2010, 08:54 PM
Interesting points and questions.
I'm not sure if the bacteria are the same ones. I doubt it. I got the
impression that these were only found on the legumes.

Cyanide (CN - triple bond) also dissolves gold. It also has an interesting
etymology, relating to "blue" and "sky", but also to "dogs" as mentioned in
another thread.
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1220&page=4
(and on page 5)
Cyanide is also found in some plants.

Wow ,......what wyrding, I discovered the cyanide connection a while ago and I knew when you started this thread Sol, CN- would be mentioned.....it will constitute in part a sweet heavy water that dissolves gold, that is the greatest poison but also the greatest medicine when treated alchemically, .....it is found in space and is the basis for all life, it was out of the primordial cyanide soup that life began on earth, and is the water stone of the wise, it is born in the stars and is absorbed by our salt

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18120-was-life-founded-on-cyanide-from-space-crashes.html

"Life-giving poison

Analysis of the spectrum of the flashes revealed abundant cyanide – a compound consisting of a carbon atom bound to a nitrogen atom – formed by chemical reactions between the projectile's carbon and nitrogen in the air.

Cyanide compounds are very reactive, so further reactions involving them on early Earth could have led to more complex carbon-containing molecules important to life, Sugita and Schultz argue.

The nitrogen in the cyanide compounds could have been especially important, since it is an ingredient of amino acids – key building blocks for life –


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide
"Cyanides are produced by certain bacteria, fungi, and algae and are found in a number of foods and plants. Cyanides are found, although in small amounts, in certain seeds and stones, e.g. those of apple, mango, peach, and bitter almonds.[5] In plants, cyanides are usually bound to sugar molecules in the form of cyanogenic glycosides and defend the plant against herbivores. Cassava roots (also called manioc), an important potato-like food grown in tropical countries (and the base from which tapioca is made), also contain cyanogenic glycosides.[6][7]

The cyanide radical CN· has been identified in interstellar space.[8]"

Now you are just missing the one thing that would make water fat and "wet" not the hands.


From:http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aai2vsb.htm#19jna

Martin Rulandus ~ A Lexicon of Alchemy

Water --- Dry Water which does not wet the hands. It must be remembered in this connection that those Adepts who give this name to their Mercury are followers of the Dry Way in the operation of the Magisterium; those who, like Paracelsus, Basil Valentin, etc.


...So the quick dry way then is to use the "dry" water, I'll wait to see if you guys can find this last element that will dry water up but at the same time keep it liquid. This dry, fat water will provide the environment for transmutation and creation and without it all is in vain.

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 09:59 PM
So what are all the elements, Leo?
1. a dry fat water that does not wet the hands,
2. cyanide - solvent/menstuum of gold
3. ?


I don't think I have a clue what dry water you refer to. Unless it has
to do with alkali solutions - I've seen them make water more viscous.

LeoRetilus
02-13-2010, 10:03 PM
First we should think about what makes water wet....H2O, what part of this formula controls the "hydration" of water and how could it be made "dry"?

There exists a type of water that you could drink and drink and eventually die of thirst.

Ghislain
02-13-2010, 10:07 PM
I used to have a childrens magic book where you could
make water that didn't wet the hands using silicon.

Silicon is hydrophobic.

In Earth's crust, silicon is the second most abundant element after oxygen.

Silicic acid (a type of silica) forms the basis of the striking array of protective
shells of the microscopic diatoms.

Source: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon)

Could that be it?

Ghislain

memphis_mizraim
02-13-2010, 10:07 PM
All the things I take for granted. Must stop and have a real look. Redlion you will empty this forum pretty fast if we go down the cyanide path. lol

Andro
02-13-2010, 10:15 PM
First we should think about what makes water wet....H2O, what part of this formula controls the "hydration" of water and how could it be made "dry"?

There exists a type of water that you could drink and drink and eventually die of thirst.

Concerning the dry water that does not wet the hands:
If you find it where it's hidden, I advise not to look for sophisticated methods to obtain it, for it can be made to grow and multiply naturally in your vessel.

These are times of great revelations, and I hope with all my heart this will be 'The Year Of The Stone' for all those seeking with open minds and open hearts.
You know who you are...

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 10:21 PM
Still sounds like alkali solutions to me.
Take out one H and you have OH: hydroxide, which is firey water.
Alkalis certainly dry out your skin if you handle them.

Or add an O (fire) and you have hydrogen peroxide.

G mentioned silicon - oil of sand is an alkali water that is quite viscous.

Salt water will not hydrate you, but rather dehydrate you.

??

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 10:35 PM
Concerning the dry water that does not wet the hands:
If you find it where it's hidden, I advise not to look for sophisticated methods to obtain it, for it can be made to grow and multiply naturally in your vessel.

These are times of great revelations, and I hope with all my heart this will be 'The Year Of The Stone' for all those seeking with open minds and open hearts.
You know who you are...

If you guys are talking about the same water, then urine is out of the question;
you can drink your urine and be hydrated. So I would assume the vessel
is not the human body... unless you collect salt water tears.
Salt water can be "thick" in that it can support a human body, ie make it float,
like in the Dead sea...

Alkali, "growing and multiplying naturally in its vessel":
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s20.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=288&u=12781761)

I'll stop guessing and let it digest a while.

Thanks guys.

LeoRetilus
02-13-2010, 10:40 PM
This watery vapor when it descends to caves will for sure be alkaline and will also contain silicon but only because it is becoming particular, the water that I speak of is quite pure and it is formed in stars, it is contained in normal water at a concentration of 1 part in 600, in fact you carry some of this water in you right now, yes it will be contained in seawater to a higher degree. It can be absorbed more directly at night through our magnetic salts but also with other more sophisticated methods I've previously described..... all magnetic trap users on the subtleenergies website speak of obtaining a thick, oily, viscous water from pure water or rather I sould say spring water, and this science of collection agrees with the concentration ratio of 1 part in 600.

solomon levi
02-13-2010, 11:01 PM
Thanks Leo. I've read a bit about that water. I'll research it some more.
The "snot". ;)

So then there probably is a greater percentage of this water in deliquesced
alkali solutions... maybe that is why they are more viscous.

Angel water, oil of sand:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s21.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=289&u=12781761)

LeoRetilus
02-13-2010, 11:17 PM
I'd still like for you to isolate what part of the H20 changes and what it changes into, and how this simple change can make this water "not wet" and make you die of thirst if you drink too much of it, knowing what change is taking place will explain alot especially transmutation. When you find this element...you will trace its manufacture to stars.

Andro
02-13-2010, 11:45 PM
[...] you will trace its manufacture to stars.

Its Father is the Sun....

:)


If you guys are talking about the same water [...]

We are.

This Fat (Mercurial) Water is also the catalyst for the true marriage of the Sulphur and Salt (Red and White) Principles, and it is attracted and multiplied in the '1/1/1' method I talk about in another thread (among other methods which are just as valid, and some much faster :o).

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 01:01 AM
...urine is out of the question;
you can drink your urine and be hydrated.


Urine definitely contains it as well : http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/urine.htm

"The product will be tasteless and oily without the toxins that one would obtain through urine therapy and can be used to take one to a ever higher plane. I am sure for plenty of you have a lot of ideas to add to this."

However that is a "particular" path riddled with failure and unless you know exactly what needs to be preserved you will lose it.

What we are speaking of now when dealing with the air and water is more universal and thus cheaper ,easier and more direct.

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 01:32 AM
There was one other interesting part in the book.
Initially, the large steel containers in which the process took place would
be attacked and decomposed by the heat, pressure and the hydrogen,
causing the steel to become brittle. They even referred to hydrogen under
these conditions as "a universal solvent". No other metal they tried was able
to resist it.



What would cause hydrogen to do this?

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 01:40 AM
I'd still like for you to isolate what part of the H20 changes and what it changes into, and how this simple change can make this water "not wet" and make you die of thirst if you drink too much of it, knowing what change is taking place will explain alot especially transmutation. When you find this element...you will trace its manufacture to stars.

Hydrogen. I just mentioned this in the caves thread:

"Alchemists have also written about the origin or beginning of metals.
This could be ores; it could be metalloids; or maybe it is shilajit or humus
or petroleum... depending on how far back you trace it, it could be sunlight
or hydrogen..."


Talk about wyrd. :)


What does it change into?
The cover of the Mutus Liber tells us:
http://files.myopera.com/mercurioradiante/albums/140056/01.png

Two passages from Genesis, but especially note the passage in Deuteronomy. ;)

Thanks Leo.

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 02:31 AM
Good the key is this H+ 1 neutron = D (deuterium)

Here is my whole train of thought:

From :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium

Deuterium, also called heavy hydrogen, is a stable isotope of

hydrogen with a natural abundance in the oceans of Earth of

approximately one atom in 6,500 of hydrogen (~154 ppm).

Deuterium thus accounts for approximately 0.015%

(alternately, on a weight basis: 0.031%) of all naturally

occurring hydrogen in the oceans on Earth

Deuterium occurs in trace amounts naturally as deuterium gas,

written 2H2 or D2, but most natural occurrence in the

universe is bonded with a typical 1H atom, a gas called

hydrogen deuteride (HD or 1H2H).[5]

The existence of deuterium on Earth, elsewhere in the solar

system (as confirmed by planetary probes), and in the spectra

of stars, is an important datum in cosmology


Measurements of small variations in the natural abundances of

deuterium, along with those of the stable heavy oxygen

isotopes 17O and 18O, are of importance in hydrology, to

trace the geographic origin of Earth's waters. The heavy

isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen in rainwater (so-called

meteoric water)

Deuterium was predicted in 1926 by Walter Russell, using his

"spiral" periodic table. It was first detected

spectroscopically in late 1931 by Harold Urey, a chemist at

Columbia University

From :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water

Heavy water is water containing a higher-than-normal

proportion of the hydrogen isotope deuterium, either as

deuterium oxide, D2O or ²H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide,

HDO or ¹H²HO.[1] Physically and chemically, it resembles

water, H2O; in water, the deuterium-to-hydrogen ratio is

about 156ppm, (see Vienna Standard Mean Ocean Water). Heavy

water is water that was highly enriched in deuterium, by as

much as 100% D2O. The isotopic substitution with deuterium

alters the bond energy of the water's hydrogen-oxygen bond,

altering the physical, chemical, and, especially, the

biological properties of the pure, or highly-enriched,

substance to a degree greater than is found in most isotope-

substituted chemical compounds. Pure heavy water is not

radioactive. It is about 11% denser than water, but

otherwise, is physically very similar to water.

Heavy isotopes of chemical elements have slightly different

chemical behaviors, but for most elements the differences in

chemical behavior between isotopes are far too small to use,

or even detect. For hydrogen, however, this is not true. The

larger chemical isotope-effects seen with deuterium and

tritium manifest because bond energies in chemistry are

determined in quantum mechanics by equations in which the

quantity of reduced mass of the nucleus and electrons

appears. This quantity is altered in heavy-hydrogen compounds

(of which deuterium oxide is the most common and familiar)

more than for heavy-isotope substitution in other chemical

elements. This isotope effect of heavy hydrogen is magnified

further in biological systems, which are very sensitive to

small changes in the solvent properties of water.

Heavy water is the only known chemical substance that affects

the period of circadian oscillations, consistently increasing

the length of each cycle. The effect is seen in unicellular

organisms, green plants, isopods, insects, birds, mice, and

hamsters. The mechanism is unknown.[8](check pineal gland)

It has been proposed that low doses of heavy water can slow

the aging process by helping the body resist oxidative damage

via the isotope effect.[10] A team at the Institute for the

Biology of Ageing, located in Moscow, conducted an experiment

to determine the effect of heavy water on longevity using

fruit flies and found that while large amounts were deadly,

smaller quantities increased lifespans by up to 30%.[11

Deuterium oxide is often used as the source of deuterium for

preparing specifically-labelled isotopologs of organic

compounds. For example, C-H bonds adjacent to ketonic

carbonyl groups can be replaced by C-D bonds, using acid or

base catalysis.

From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium)

Nitrogen (Latin nitrogenium, where nitrum (from Greek nitron

νιτρον) means "saltpetre" (see nitre), and genes γενης means

"forming") is formally considered to have been discovered by

Daniel Rutherford in 1772, who called it noxious air or fixed

air.[1]

Nitrogen is the largest single constituent of the Earth's

atmosphere (78.082% by volume of dry air, 75.3% by weight in

dry air). It is created by fusion processes in stars, and is

estimated to be the 7th most abundant chemical element by

mass in the universe.[9]

N2 forms a variety of adducts with transition metals. The

first example of a dinitrogen complex is [Ru(NH3)5(N2)]2+

(see figure at right). Such compounds are now numerous, other

examples include IrCl(N2)(PPh3)2, W(N2)2(Ph2CH2CH2PPh2)2, and

[(η5-C5Me4H)2Zr]2(μ2,η²,η²-N2). These complexes illustrate

how N2 might bind to the metal(s) in nitrogenase and the

catalyst for the Haber process.[8]

The starting point for industrial production of nitrogen

compounds is the Haber process, in which nitrogen is fixed by

reacting N2 and H2 over an iron(III) oxide (Fe3O4) catalyst

at about 500 °C and 200 atmospheres pressure. Biological

nitrogen fixation in free-living cyanobacteria and in the

root nodules of plants also produces ammonia from molecular

nitrogen. The reaction, which is the source of the bulk of

nitrogen in the biosphere, is catalyzed by the nitrogenase

enzyme complex which contains Fe and Mo atoms

Nitrogen is present in all living organisms, in proteins,

nucleic acids and other molecules. It typically makes up

around 4% of the dry weight of plant matter, and around 3% of

the weight of the human body. It is a large component of

animal waste (for example, guano), usually in the form of

urea, uric acid, ammonium compounds and derivatives of these

nitrogenous products, which are essential nutrients for all

plants that are unable to fix atmospheric nitrogen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogenase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium)

Nitrogenase (EC 1.18.6.1) is the enzyme used by some

organisms to fix atmospheric nitrogen gas (N2). It is the

only known family of enzymes which accomplishes this process.

Dinitrogen is quite inert because of the strength of its N-N

triple bond. To break one nitrogen atom away from another

requires breaking all three of these chemical bonds.

In addition to performing the reaction N≡N → 2 NH3,

nitrogenase is also capable of catalyzing the following

reactions:[5][6]

HC≡CH → H2C=CH2
N≡N–O → N2 + H2O
N≡N–N− → N2 + NH3
C≡N− → CH4, NH3, H3C–CH3, H2C=CH2 (CH3NH2)
N≡C–R → RCH3 + NH3
C≡N–R → CH4, H3C–CH3, H2C=CH2, C3H8, C3H6, RNH2
C=O=S → CO + H2S [7]
O=C=O → CO + H2O [7]
S=C=N– → H2S + HCN [8]
S=C=O → H2S + CO [8]
O=C=N– → H2O + HCN, CO + NH3 [8]

Due to the oxidiative properties of oxygen, most nitrogenases

are irreversibly inhibited by dioxygen, which degradatively

oxidizes the Fe-S cofactors. This requires mechanisms for

nitrogen fixers to avoid oxygen in vivo. Despite this

problem, many use oxygen as a terminal electron acceptor for

respiration. One known exception, a recently-discovered

nitrogenase of Streptomyces thermoautotrophicus, is

unaffected by the presence of oxygen [1]. The

Azotobacteraceae are unique in their ability to employ an

oxygen-labile nitrogenase under aerobic conditions.

http://dcwww.camd.dtu.dk/campos/Dacapo/nitrogenase_centralligand.jpg NITROGENASE
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1186794/?page=1

The N2- fixing system of Azoto bacter vinelandii catalyses H2

evolution if supplied with ATP and Na2S2O4 but the bacterial

hydrogenase, though able to catalyse H2 uptake in the

presense of a suitable acceptor, does not evolve H2. Jackson

and Hardy reported that D2+H2O->HD exchange was observed

under A or if an alternative substrate of the nitrogenase

such as acetylene or cyanide was present...Hoch, Scheider and

Burrus reported that whole nodules of soya beans catalysed

the exchange between D2 and H20 to produce HD.


My conclusion D2+H20+CN+-AU->DCNAU or HHCNAU or 2HCNAU.....the fat, heavy, sweet water

stone of the wise all by effectively fixing deuterium,

nitrogen and cyanide..... all made from stars... into a stone and fermenting with sulfur of gold.

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 03:46 AM
D2 - Donum Dei!

Why not just dissolve gold leaf in this heavy water (D2O)?
What need for CN?

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 04:13 AM
But D2O a stone alone does not make we need a salt to provide the body and to fix the nitrogen from the air, besides I don't think gold will dissolve in D2O alone, unless maybe subjected to sunlight, which would serve as the catalyst none the less.

But the complete water will be a white lunar milky substance.

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 04:31 AM
Well, there are two sources on the subtleenergies site that claim to have
dissolved gold in the snot, and references to this being the Mercury of the
Philosophers, so it better dissolve/reincrudate gold. There are plenty of old
texts that tell us how to treat our gold after it melts in the mercury like ice.
I don't believe they mention adding any salt at this point or any later times.
You just digest it.

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 04:33 AM
So it appears the simplest ways of accumulating this DD (I'll call it DD for
donum dei, but I really mean DDO - heavy water) are by distillation
and/or electrolysis. Since DD is 11% heavier and boils at 101.4 instead of
100, it will be the last to flee. But it will take a lot of water considering that
there is 1 part per 6,500. No wonder the Great Work takes a year or more. ;)
This shines much light on the Archeus of Water works now!
It would benefit one to find waters with a greater amount of DD, possibly
rain water or dew; or using magnet traps... ahhh - that's why you distill
urine or water in a magnetite sand bath! And what is the relationship with
salt water precipitates? Do they contain more DD?

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 06:12 AM
And what is the relationship with
salt water precipitates? Do they contain more DD?

I should say so, thats why they say to get your seawater from the deepest parts of the ocean. And there is also greater evidence to suggest that thats where it would conglemerate besides common sense , heavier water would have a tendency to sink, but also there is evidence to suggest that it affects the circadian rhythms of animals and would explain why deep sea creatures grow quite emense and live for a long time ,such as the colossal squid. The D2O incorporating itself into their metabolism.

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 06:16 AM
Well, there are two sources on the subtleenergies site that claim to have
dissolved gold in the snot, and references to this being the Mercury of the
Philosophers, so it better dissolve/reincrudate gold. There are plenty of old
texts that tell us how to treat our gold after it melts in the mercury like ice.
I don't believe they mention adding any salt at this point or any later times.
You just digest it.

Ok you got me, theres no getting anything by you is there. I was just trying to lend more credence to those old processes and trying to complicate/ obfuscate... didn't want to make it too simple cause then nobody will believe it.

I'd like to add something here though...... this water is sweet and I still believe if it is collected from nature it will contain CN- from space, I don't think pure d2o will be sweet..

Ghislain
02-14-2010, 07:26 AM
The life expectancy of a giant squid is very short. They live for a maximum of
three years. They die after spawning. A giant squid grows very fast.

Source (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/facts-about-giant-squid.html)

Although I don't know where they get this info as they are notoriously hard to
research...apparently.

Ghislain

LeoRetilus
02-14-2010, 07:55 AM
It looks like they made it all up.....whoever wrote the article is wrong about alot of things first of all the colossal squid and the giant squid are two entirely different species and the colossal squid is the largest known invertebrate, and truthfully nobody really knows anything about them the only time they have studied them is when they are found dead washed up on shore that is until they caught one in the Ross Sea in 2007, so how could anybody know how long they live. But my point was about very deep sea creatures in general (obviously for a crustacean to grow that big it would have to live for quite a while) :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Bathynomus_giganteus.jpg/200px-Bathynomus_giganteus.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-sea_gigantism

And recently I did watch a documentary on these deep sea creatures that related long age to cold deep seas and slowed metabolism.

Andro
02-14-2010, 10:27 AM
Donum Dei (NICE term!) is gradually becoming more abundant in our water magnet of choice by prolonged circulation and simultaneous (slow!!!) evaporation, where the heavier parts remain behind and imbibe our starting matter. After many cycles, the Water becomes of a different chemical composition than it was in the beginning, being sort of 'reverse engineered' by this natural process.

The time factor is of essence here (at least in my methods), as is the importance and active participation of the luminaries in the process.

What's funny is that all this is very similar to what I've been doing all along, but only recently did I gather a deeper understanding of what's actually happening from the more scientific viewpoint, through a series of wyrding synchronicities, with different pieces of the puzzle being brought to light by the various participating parties...

I'm still not a fan of definitions and chemical formulas. They're confusing to me, but only because I come from a very non-scientific background. But this doesn't of course invalidate the other approaches...

I came to those insights quite some time ago by thinking and contemplating in the language of archetypes. Like the mind being defragmented, upgraded, transformed and married with itself by shifting back and forth between polarities and by circulating/feedbacking on itself, where the trials of Fire vaporize all the bullshit that's no longer needed, leaving only the heavier insights to 'sink in' and perform the transformation... I hope you get the drift... These are the things that happen in my Vessel, internal and external alike.

And when those insights 'sank in', the right books/texts were soon to follow...

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 12:05 PM
The next question would be (to myself; I'm researching it) are the
Philosophers true in claiming a mineral which has more of this than others?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonaceous_chondrite

This explains why the grail is also a stone that fell from heaven.

It doesn't mention it in the article, but in another link I read that
certain carbonaceous chrondites contain the highest concentrations of
deuterium found in nature:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V66-4ND83PP-7&_user=10&_coverDate=01%2F31%2F1961&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1206121168&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5327ab26c9e6f85f3c0750c1c7611fa3

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 12:46 PM
You know, I'm still onto something with my OH insights:

http://www.clays.org/journal/archive/volume%204/4-1-82.pdf


This may explain the alchemical process of cementation and its use for
exalting metals into gold when stratified with OHs, sand, clays or pumice...

Quote: "H-D exchange in layer silicates was studied in several minerals as
a function of time, temp, and pressure. Kaolinite and Dickite treated with
D2O at room temp showed less than 1/2 percent replacement of OH by OD
in as long as five days, while about 2% of the OH in Montmorillonite was
exchanged. Considerable exchange, however, takes place in the three
minerals at elevated temp in as short a period as one day: in Kaolinite
treated for three days at 370 C at approx 20,000psi D2O replacement is
greater than 50%..."

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 01:40 PM
Some interesting items from John French - Art of Distillation

THE SPAGYRICAL ANATOMY OF WATER
...The artificial process is this: take of what water you please, whether well water, fountain, river, or rain water, as much as you please. Let it settle three or four hours until the slime thereof separates itself. Then digest it the space of a month, after which time evaporate the fourth part by a very gentle heat and cast it away, being but the phlegm. Then distill off the remainder of the water until the feces only be left, which feces will be a slimy saltish substance. This middle substance distill again as before, casting away every time the fourth part, as phlegm, and keeping the feces by themselves for a further use, and this do seven times. Note that after the fourth or fifth distillation the water will distill over like milk, coloring the head of your still so that it can hardly be washed or scoured off. This pure water after the seventh distillation will leave no feces behind, and if you digest it three months it will be coagulated into stones and crystals which some magnify very much for the cure of inward and outward putrefactions, out of which also may be made a dissolving spirit. Note that as this water stands in digestion you may see diverse curious colors. Now, as for the feces which I spoke of (which indeed all waters, even the sweetest, leave at the bottom) being as I said a saltish slime and in taste, as it were, a medium between salt and nitre, take them and distill them in a retort in sand. There will first come forth a white fume which, being condensed, descends in a straight line to the bottom. Next will come over a red oil of great efficacy, exceeding the virtues of the spirit of salt or nitre. For confirmation of part of this process, take May dew gathered in the morning (when it has not rained the night before) and put it into a glass vessel, covered with a parchment pricked full of holes, and set it in the heat of the sun for the space of four months. There will store of green feces fall to the bottom, the residue of the water being white and clear. Now by all this you may conclude what manner of dissimilarity there is in the parts of water...


TO EXTRACT A WHITE MILKY SUBSTANCE FROM THE RAYS OF THE MOON
Take a concave glass and hold it against the moon when she is at the full in a clear evening. Let the rays thereof being united fall upon a sponge, and the sponge will be full of a cold milky substance which you may press out with your hand and gather more. De-La-Brosse is of the opinion that this substance is of the substance of the moon, but I cannot assent to him in that. Only this I say, if this experiment were well prosecuted, it might produce, for ought I know, such a discovery which might be the key to no small secrets.


TO FORTIFY A LOADSTONE THAT IT SHALL BE ABLE TO DRAW A NAIL OUT OF A PIECE OF WOOD
Take a loadstone and heat it very hot in coals, but so that it be not fired. Then presently quench it in the oil of crocus martis, made of the best steel, so that it may imbibe as much as it can.
You shall by this means make the loadstone so very strong and powerful that you may pull out nails from a piece of wood with it, and do such wonderful things with it that the common loadstone can never do.
Now the reason of this (as Paracelsus says) is because the spirit of iron is the life of the loadstone, and this may be extracted from or increased in the loadstone.


to read the whole text of "anatomy of water":
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jfren_5.html

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 02:15 PM
Heavy raindrops

To determine when the Sierra rose to its current height, the scientists used an increasingly popular research tool that combines geology and chemistry to create a record of prehistoric rainfall patterns dating back millions of years. This technique relies on the fact that in nature, hydrogen and other atoms occur in different sizes called isotopes. Deuterium, for example, is a slightly heavier form of hydrogen, and drops of rainwater that contain deuterium isotopes often fall at lower elevations.

"If you have a cloud coming in and dropping out water, as it climbs the mountain its preference is to first drop the heavy water that's rich in deuterium," Chamberlain said. "As you go up in elevation, the raindrops become lighter and lighter. Therefore, the rainwater becomes gradually depleted of deuterium the higher up the mountain range it falls."

Over time, some raindrops are incorporated into molecules of clay and other minerals that form on the ground. These clays provide scientists with a geologic record of ancient precipitation, which can then be compared with samples of modern precipitation collected at the same altitude. If the comparison reveals similar isotopic ratios, then the elevation of the mountain must have been similar in ancient and modern times.

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 02:55 PM
In one video on youtube, the scientist says that ordinary water contains
.01% heavy water.

So say you have 10 distillation/evaporation setups = .1% DD
10 distillations on ten setups gives you 1% DD
100 distillations on ten setups will give you 10%...

see where this is going?

It makes the assemblage of magnetic traps look less daunting, no? :D
In a good magnetic trap which spins and separates the heavy water
from the light and recycles it back into the system to work it again...
all your work is being done for you. So far, that appears to be the way to go.
Or you know how to make an ozone generator...

There doesn't seem to be any minerals that contain large amounts of D.

memphis_mizraim
02-14-2010, 04:27 PM
Heavy water is what the Germans were working on during the war to make a nuclear bomb.

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 05:03 PM
There is much evidence for the benefits of deuterium depleted water -
water with less (about 50 ppm) deuterium than normal (about 150 ppm) -
and its health benefits, curing of cancer, etc.

Then, on the other side, we have people drinking ormus water or magnetic
trap water and concentrating the deuterium to get more.

This seems odd. Do we need more or less deuterium? Apparently exceeding
10% of your body mass this DD becomes harmful to humans and animals;
at 25-50% preventing cell division. I thought cancer was cells dividing out of
control... But deuterium depleted water cures cancer.

Hmmm


Ahh. I notice that the sweet, oily water Barry talks about is actually lighter,
floating on top, and is not heavy water.


This article confirms the negative health aspects of heavy water:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_deuterium.html

Andro
02-14-2010, 06:35 PM
This seems odd. Do we need more or less deuterium?

I think it's not as much about the Deuterium as it is about the final fused product. It's a means to an end, not an end in itself.

It may also be interesting to research the Deuterium/cold fusion connection.


[...] an insulated glass jar containing deuterium oxide (commonly known as heavy water) in which two electrodes were immersed, one of them a coil of platinum wire, the other a rod of palladium - a precious metal comparable in value to gold. A small voltage between the electrodes decomposed the deuterium oxide into oxygen and deuterium (a form of hydrogen), some of which was absorbed into the palladium.

This was high school chemistry. But Fleischmann believed that if the process continued long enough, deuterium atoms could become so tightly packed in the palladium, fusion would occur.

solomon levi
02-14-2010, 08:15 PM
more validation for alkalis:

Ormus from Morning Dew, by Gary Young,

I am getting actual ORMUS precipitate from collecting Dew Water. I have not tried using ice yet, but instead am using Sodium Hydroxide. It pulls the moisture right out of the air. Because the Sodium Hydroxide is the extreme of high PH, the precip forms right in the solution so you can see just how much ORMUS you are collecting.

So far just a cup of dew looks to have produced at least 1 gram of what would be dry ORMUS powder.

Even after all of the Sodium Hydroxide has been dissolved by the dew, it will continue to pull moisture out of the Air and produce ORMUS precip.

My intention is to separate the ORMUS precip from the Sodium Hydroxide solution with the usual washing methods. I will post my results. I started with 2 pounds of fresh Sodium Hydroxide. I am using a tupperware bowel.

So far I still have undissolved Sodium Hydroxide in the bottom of the bowel. I have poured off the liquid that is forming into another clear plastic bottle. I only have about one fifth of undissolved Sodium Hydroxide left in the bowel.

The precip is dropping down in the clear plastic storage bottle. I will post a picture or two in a day or two. Oh,,, I just realized that ORMUS could also be finding its way into the clear plastic storage bottle because the little buggers are so small! That will also make an interesting experiment.

I will of course guard against the storage bottle developing ORMUS tunnelling leaking. And with that here is a thought,,,,, this is interesting, ,,,What if the cause of ORMUS bottle breakage is not that the ORMUS is trying to escape the bottle, but that ORMUS from the Air is trying to add itself to the ORMUS stored in the bottle?

LeoRetilus
02-15-2010, 04:46 AM
Two passages from Genesis, but especially note the passage in Deuteronomy. ;)

Thanks Leo.

Thats kind of hard to read... what passage is that in Deuteronomy?

LeoRetilus
02-15-2010, 05:00 AM
I found it.....

Deuteronomy:

13 And of Joseph he said: Blessed of the LORD be his land; for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,

14 And for the precious things of the fruits of the sun, and for the precious things of the yield of the moons,

15 And for the tops of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the everlasting hills,

16 And for the precious things of the earth and the fulness thereof, and the good will of Him that dwelt in the bush; let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the crown of the head of him that is prince among his brethren.

28 And Israel dwelleth in safety, the fountain of Jacob alone, in a land of corn and wine; yea, his heavens drop down dew.


Genesis:

28 So God give thee of the dew of heaven, and of the fat places of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine.

39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him: Behold, of the fat places of the earth shall be thy dwelling, and of the dew of heaven from above;

11 And he lighted upon the place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took one of the stones of the place, and put it under his head, and lay down in that place to sleep.

12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

22 and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house; and of all that Thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto Thee.'

LeoRetilus
02-15-2010, 11:11 AM
Interesting points and questions.
I'm not sure if the bacteria are the same ones. I doubt it. I got the
impression that these were only found on the legumes.

Cyanide (CN - triple bond) also dissolves gold. It also has an interesting
etymology, relating to "blue" and "sky", but also to "dogs" as mentioned in
another thread.
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1220&page=4
(and on page 5)
Cyanide is also found in some plants.

Sol.... Ghislain.......ha,ha I found it:

THE WATER STONE OF THE WISE (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/sophic2.html)


AN ENIGMA OF THE SAGES.
In which the underlying substance of the Art, called the Phoenix of the Sages, is found to be thrice threefold.
If I tell you three parts of a thing you have no cause to complain. Seek one of three, and of the three one will be there: for where there is body and soul, there is also Spirit and there shine salt, sulphur, and mercury. Trust my word, seek the grass that is trefoil. Thou knowest the name, and art wise and cunning if thou findest it.

ANOTHER ENIGMA
(Much easier.)
There is one thing in this world which is found occasionally. It is bluish-grey and green, and, wonderful to say, there is in this thing a red and white colour. It flows like water, yet it makes not wet ; it is of great weight, and of small. I might give it a thousand names, yet the thousand know it not. It is mean to look upon, yet to the Sage it is precious. He who solves it with the second and condenses it with the third, he has our glorious subject.

YET ANOTHER ENIGMA.
Everything contributes to the formation of this Stone. It is conceived below the earth, born in the earth, quickened in heaven, dies in time, obtains eternal glory.


Its Bird's Foot Trefoil

Lotus corniculatus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_corniculatus)

Lotus corniculatus is a common flowering plant native to grassland temperate Eurasia and North Africa. The common name is Bird's-foot Trefoil (or similar, such as "birdsfoot trefoil"), though the common name is often also applied to other members of the genus. It is also known in cultivation in North America as Birdfoot Deervetch.

It is a perennial herbaceous plant, similar in appearance to some clovers. The flowers develop into small pea-like pods or legumes. The name 'bird's foot' refers to the appearance of the seed pods on their stalk. There are five leaflets, but with the central three held conspicuously above the others, hence the use of the name trefoil.

The height of the plant is variable, from 5-20 cm, occasionally more where supported by other plants; the stems can reach up to 50 cm long. It is typically sprawling at the height of the surrounding grassland. It can survive fairly close grazing, trampling and mowing. It is most often found in sandy soils. It Flowers from June until September.

The plant has had many common English names in Britain, which are now mostly out of use. These names were often connected with the yellow and orange colour of the flowers, e.g. 'eggs and bacon', 'butter and eggs'.

A double flowered variety is grown as an ornamental plant. The plant is an important nectar source for many insects and is also used as a larval food plant by many species of Lepidoptera such as Six-spot Burnet. It is regularly included as a component of wildflower mixes in Europe. Fresh birdsfoot trefoil contains cyanogenic glycosides[1] and is thus poisonous to humans.

From The Waterstone of The Wise again:

"Now when you have the substance indicated (which is in part heavenly in part earthly, and in its natural state a mere confused chaos without certain name or colour), and know it well (for this knowledge the Sages have always accounted the Principal part of this work, then you must give your whole mind to manipulating it in the proper manner. But before doing anything to it with his hands, the student should remember not to begin the preparation of this great and inscrutable arcanum before he knows well the spirit that lurks in it according to its essential qualities and properties. "With this spirit," says a certain philosopher, "you should not meddle until you first have a full and exact knowledge of it. For God is marvellous in His works, and He is not mocked, I could give some instances of men who set about this matter with great levity and were heavily punished by meeting (some or them) with fatal accidents in their laboratories."

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 02:01 AM
There is much evidence for the benefits of deuterium depleted water -
water with less (about 50 ppm) deuterium than normal (about 150 ppm) -
and its health benefits, curing of cancer, etc.

Then, on the other side, we have people drinking ormus water or magnetic
trap water and concentrating the deuterium to get more.

This seems odd. Do we need more or less deuterium? Apparently exceeding
10% of your body mass this DD becomes harmful to humans and animals;
at 25-50% preventing cell division. I thought cancer was cells dividing out of
control... But deuterium depleted water cures cancer.

Hmmm


Ahh. I notice that the sweet, oily water Barry talks about is actually lighter,
floating on top, and is not heavy water.


This article confirms the negative health aspects of heavy water:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_deuterium.html

I read that article as well but you have to seperate the different types of heavy water, tritum is radioactive cause it is hydrogen with an additional proton, which deuterium on the other hand is not radioactive, containing only an additional neutron which is neutral, no charge, and thus is non-reactive(cannot bond). H20 is converted to D20 by catching free neutrons. You can do this by taking your distillation setup outdoors at night and just distilling water linearly, eventually the hydrogen in your water will be imbibed with these free neutrons colliding with the upper atmosphere and raining down on us from space, these free neutrons also make the earth fat and will make your water fat as well. This is why in my opinion some paths tell you to distill seven times, and while most of us think to ourselves whats the point, actually there is a big point because on the 6th or 7th time the water comes over as a fat water or a gur or a slime or a phlem or a gum(of sericon) is left behind in the boiling flask. Additionally by passing water through a vortex in the presence of a magnetic field we are causing some hydrogen in water to pick up an extra neutron, and it becomes fat as well, a good way to collect this material then is with the ether absorbtion methods I've left links to elsewhere.

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 05:02 AM
I've pinpointed what I believe to be the greatest source of night time neutron radiation, besides maybe the moon, although I'm not actually quite sure about what type of radiation/light the moon is reflecting and what its own radiation adds to the cosmic nightime soup of spallated particles, at any rate pulsars are actually neutron stars that are rotating and while the non-rotating neutron variety possibly also make it to earth, pulsars are more energetic. So I looked up in the night sky and realized that just to the lower left of Orions belt, the three stars of the magi is the brightest pulsar in the sky, Sirius and wouldn't you know it , its called the dog star, right in the middle of Canus Major.

http://www.thelowestroom.com/Jason/FallenWatchers/orioncom.jpg
http://www.starrynighteducation.com/stargazer/images/1210winterhexagon.gif

This reminds me of the zeitgeist clip that talks about the alignment of the three stars of the magi with Sirius to point to the location the sun will rise after its trip to the underworld after which on the third day rises on the morning of Dec 25

Sirius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius)

Sirius is the brightest star in the night sky. With a visual apparent magnitude of −1.46, it is almost twice as bright as Canopus, the next brightest star. The name Sirius is derived from the Ancient Greek Σείριος.[19] The star has the Bayer designation α Canis Majoris (α CMa, or Alpha Canis Majoris). What the naked eye perceives as a single star is actually a binary star system, consisting of a white main sequence star of spectral type A1V, termed Sirius A, and a faint white dwarf companion of spectral type DA2, termed Sirius B.

Sirius appears bright due to both its intrinsic luminosity and its closeness to the Earth. At a distance of 2.6 parsecs(8.6 ly), the Sirius system is one of our near neighbors. Sirius A is about twice as massive as the Sun and has an absolute visual magnitude of 1.42. It is 25 times more luminous than the Sun[8] but has a significantly lower luminosity than other bright stars such as Canopus or Rigel. The system is between 200 and 300 million years old.[8] It was originally composed of two bright bluish stars. The more massive of these, Sirius B, consumed its resources and became a red giant before shedding its outer layers and collapsing into its current state as a white dwarf around 120 million years ago.[8]
Sirius is also known colloquially as the "Dog Star", reflecting its prominence in its constellation, Canis Major (English: Big Dog).[14] The heliacal rising of Sirius marked the flooding of the Nile in Ancient Egypt and the "Dog Days" of summer for the Ancient Greeks, while to the Polynesians it marked winter and was an important star for navigation around the Pacific Ocean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_N14.png http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_M44.png
The hieroglyph for Sirius/Sopdet (Greek: Sothis)

Here again is the Sothic triangle, the symbol for the shewbread(indicating how to make it or what its made from?)

Sirius, known in Ancient Egypt as Sopdet (Greek: Sothis), is recorded in the earliest astronomical records. During the era of the Middle Kingdom, Egyptians based their calendar on the heliacal rising of Sirius, namely the day it becomes visible just before sunrise after moving far enough away from the glare of the sun. This occurred just before the annual flooding of the Nile and the summer solstice,[20] after a 70-day absence from the skies.[21] The hieroglyph for Sothis features a star and a triangle. Sothis was identified with the great goddess Isis, who formed a part of a trinity with her husband Osiris and their son Horus, while the 70-day period symbolised the passing of Isis and Osiris through the duat (Egyptian underworld).[21]


From: http://souledout.org/cosmology/sirius/siriusgodstar.html

Sirius, The God, Dog Star

The effect of Sirian energy and influences generated approximately 16 years ago, in 1993 / 1994 (the last cycle when Sirius A and B were closest), have created renewed interest in this most influential heavenly body. The history books and religions of the world have had much to say about the God / Dog star. This article reflects on our ancestors' beliefs and inspired insights into a great mystery ~ the mystery of the Dog Star and its influences on our little corner of the universe.

Sirius was an object of wonder and veneration to all ancient peoples throughout human history. In the ancient Vedas this star was known as the Chieftain's star; in other Hindu writings, it is referred to as Sukra, the Rain God, or Rain Star. The Dog is also described as "he who awakens the gods of the air, and summons them to their office of bringing the rain."

Sirius was revered as the Nile Star, or Star of Isis, by the ancient Egyptians. Its annual appearance just before dawn at the summer solstice, June 21, heralded the coming rise of the Nile, upon which Egyptian agriculture depended. This helical rising is referred to in many temple inscriptions, where the star is known as the Divine Sepat, identified as the soul of Isis. In the temple of Isis-Hathor at Dedendrah, Egypt, appears the inscription, "Her majesty Isis shines into the temple on New Year's Day, and she mingles her light with that of her father on the horizon." The Arabic word Al Shi'ra resembles the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian names suggesting a common origin in Sanskrit, in which the name Surya, the Sun God, simply means the "shining one."

For up to 35 days before, and 35 days after the sun conjuncts it close to July 4, the star Sirius is hidden by the sun’s glare. The ancient Egyptians refused to bury their dead during the 70 days Sirius was hidden from view, because it was believed Sirius was the doorway to the afterlife, and the doorway was thought to be closed during this yearly period.
In June of 1993, as our sun covered Sirius from the Earth's view, the largest flood of the past century occurred. The waters of the Mississippi, our Nile River, overflowed its banks. The flood that year continued until the middle of August. When Sirius re-appeared from behind the sun, the flood waters receded and the immediate life-threatening crisis subsided. Could this not have been a reflection of the great rivers of energies streaming out from Sirius?

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 05:15 AM
This gives me some ideas....anyone with a telescope can try this, center Sirius and even the moon for that matter in your eyepiece and then magnify its light into your water/matter/ distillation flask.

Those with an automatic slewing system/motor can just suspend a flask from the eyepiece yoke and just sit back and chill out.

Also we should try lunar/stellar/solar concentrators as well: solarovens.net (http://www.solarovens.net/)

I'm quite fond of the octagon one.

memphis_mizraim
02-16-2010, 10:39 AM
This is getting to be a very interesting thread. Well done all for this wonderful information.

memphis_mizraim
02-16-2010, 10:40 AM
This gives me some ideas....anyone with a telescope can try this, center Sirius and even the moon for that matter in your eyepiece and then magnify its light into your water/matter/ distillation flask.

Those with an automatic slewing system/motor can just suspend a flask from the eyepiece yoke and just sit back and chill out.

Also we should try lunar/stellar/solar concentrators as well: solarovens.net (http://www.solarovens.net/)

I'm quite fond of the octagon one.

What about using our moon instead would that work?

horticult
02-16-2010, 10:41 AM
This gives me some ideas....anyone with a telescope can try this, center Sirius and even the moon for that matter in your eyepiece and then magnify its light into your water/matter/ distillation flask.
The main factor here is the area of the lens, not magnification. You will not ignite fire with 1cm 10x magnif. glass, but with 10cm 2x easily, cuz it will be 100x stronger /catch 100x more rays/. So, I think it would be better to use the bigger the better, even if it can be "polluted" from other stars.
A sun furnace from Fresnel lens from tv can melt everything.

memphis_mizraim
02-16-2010, 10:45 AM
The main factor here is the area of the lens, not magnification. You will not ignite fire with 1cm 10x magnif. glass, but with 10cm 2x easily, cuz it will be 100x stronger /catch 100x more rays/. So, I think it would be better to use the bigger the better, even if it can be "polluted" from other stars.
A sun furnace from Fresnel lens from tv can melt everything.

Patrick Riviere in his now famous French tv broadcast shows a solar lamp. What happens when you use this device with the moon light?

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 12:20 PM
What about using our moon instead would that work?

Sure I guess....however each celestial body has its own energies...there has to be a reason why the moon is associated with silver, the sun with gold as well as all the other occult metals ruled by planets.

With Sirius.......I'm looking for some serious/sirius neutrons...uniting dog with dog.

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 12:23 PM
Patrick Riviere in his now famous French tv broadcast shows a solar lamp. What happens when you use this device with the moon light?

Yes that's also what I was refering to.

I like this one: http://www.octagonsolarcooker.com/

http://www.photomagnets.com/octagonckcookerfromabove3.jpg

I believe Solomon posted something earlier about using a wet sponge out in the moonlight to soak up a lunar milky water.....the milky whey...lol

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 12:34 PM
I own a Celestron 9 1/4" Schmidt-Cassegrain, with starbright XLT coatings and automatic slewing/goto system, but my model is an older one and does not have GPS so I have to do a three star alignment. I'm thinking of upgrading to a 14 or 16 inch,...... telescopes are like TVs ...you always want a bigger one. I wish the Palomar Observatory was mine. :D

Ghislain
02-16-2010, 04:28 PM
Looking for more information on the symbols related to Sirius a google search on
“sirius symbolism” was entered and the first result looked into.


“Isis, the Great Mother, embodied in the star Sirius, brought a spiraling, resonant harmony to
the Earth, a pattern of Great Force in the atmospheric aether, that not only set time, but sought to
shape matter as well, manifesting a natural, aesthetic form called the Golden Ratio, or "Divine
Proportion" in all her creations.”

Source: (http://www.siriusrising.com/myth.htm)

Nothing on the symbols here but a pertinent link nevertheless.

Looking for confirmation of the “sophic year” a search was entered into google,
“sophic year 1461”

Looking for links on the “sophic year” the phoenix pops up once again.


“Like all legends, details in tales of the phoenix vary. For instance,
its long lifespan is sometimes 500 years, 540 years, or even 1,461 years
(the Egyptian Sophic year in astronomy).”

Interestingly, using a calculator 365.25 x 500 = 182625 then 182625 / 1461 = 125
so the lifespan may be 125 sophic years. Coincidence? I have no idea why I did that calculation…
It’s been a morning of wyrd.

In one post it says a sophic year is 1461 days and in the other 1461 years ?
Furthermore the article seems to point to a spagyric recipe using cinnamon.


“The fabled bird is said to live 500 years or more, and when the old bird is tired,
it flies from Arabia to land in Heliopolis, Egypt, the “City of the Sun.” There, it
gathers cinnamon twigs and resin to build a nest of spices atop the Temple of the Sun.
The sun ignites the nest and the old phoenix dies in flames. A new, young phoenix
emerges from the ashes and wings back to Arabia to live another life cycle.”

Source: (http://media.swarthmore.edu/bulletin/?p=117)

Could this be a link to the gifts of three kings with the sun being gold. ?

Another story


“Most beings spring from other individuals; but there is a certain kind which reproduces itself.
The Assyrians call it the Phoenix. It does not live on fruit or flowers, but on frankincense and
odoriferous gums. When it has lived five hundred years, it builds itself a nest in the branches of
an oak, or on the top of a palm tree. In this it collects cinnamon, and spikenard, and myrrh,
and of these materials builds a pile on which it deposits itself, and dying, breathes out its last
breath amidst odors. From the body of the parent bird, a young Phoenix issues forth, destined to
live as long a life as its predecessor. When this has grown up and gained sufficient strength, it lifts
its nest from the tree (its own cradle and its parent's sepulchre), and carries it to the city of Heliopolis
in Egypt, and deposits it in the temple of the Sun.”

Voltaire’s words


“It was of the size of an eagle, but its eyes were as mild and tender as those of the eagle are
fierce and threatening. Its beak was the colour of a rose, and seemed to resemble, in some measure,
the beautiful mouth of Formosante. Its neck resembled all the colours of the rainbow, but more
brilliant and lively. A thousand shades of gold glistened on its plumage. Its feet seemed a mixture
of purple and silver; and the tail of those beautiful birds which were afterwards fixed to the car of Juno,
did not come near the beauty of its tail”

Source: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(mythology))

Could this be a description of what one may see in a flask?

“Juno is the Roman version of the Greek goddess Hera. She was the goddess of marriage and childbirth. Juno was the queen of gods and was married to Jupiter.”

Hera put the eyes of Argos into the peacocks tail. \o/ the links go on and on :(

Spikenard is 1 of the 23 flavors of Dr. Pepper. :eek: Should one follow that link? What’s the worst that could happen? ;)

Leo, in the symbol you placed of sirius http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_N14.png http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_M44.png
I found the same but with the addition of a half circle or dome.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/siriuskieroglyph.jpg

http://www.samliquidation.com/images/siriuslogo.gif

The http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_N14.png symbol appears in the Mutus Liber and in Adam McLeans commentary he refers to it as representing the Lunar essence. I think this may be a mistake and is in fact your Sirius essence.

In plate three is Jupiter above Juno with her peacock...The sun and moon off to the sides...not a prime position.
In plate four is where your theory really comes into its own...the sun and moon are still off to the sides and the
light radiating down on everything comes from another source. Could this be Sirius?

Ghislain

teofrast40
02-16-2010, 05:06 PM
This gives me some ideas....anyone with a telescope can try this, center Sirius and even the moon for that matter in your eyepiece and then magnify its light into your water/matter/ distillation flask.

hallo
you mean something like this?

268

and maybe this

269

could give some hints on how to use it

Ghislain
02-16-2010, 05:53 PM
Deuterium continues to persist in the outer solar atmosphere at roughly the same concentration as in Jupiter.

Source: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium)

As above, so below?

Jupiter sits high over the globe on plate 3 of The Mutus Liber

Ghislain

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 10:00 PM
Spikenard is 1 of the 23 flavors of Dr. Pepper. :eek: Should one follow that link? What’s the worst that could happen? ;)

Leo, in the symbol you placed of sirius http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_N14.png http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_M44.png
I found the same but with the addition of a half circle or dome.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/siriuskieroglyph.jpg

http://www.samliquidation.com/images/siriuslogo.gif

The http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_N14.png symbol appears in the Mutus Liber and in Adam McLeans commentary he refers to it as representing the Lunar essence. I think this may be a mistake and is in fact your Sirius essence.

In plate three is Jupiter above Juno with her peacock...The sun and moon off to the sides...not a prime position.
In plate four is where your theory really comes into its own...the sun and moon are still off to the sides and the
light radiating down on everything comes from another source. Could this be Sirius?

Ghislain


Nice work Ghislain....thanks....I drink Dr. Pepper all the time, love the stuff....had to be a reason. I found the symbol with the half round as well but couldn't post the whole thing at the time....not sure but I think it symbolises the sun rising ....or looking at the way it is positioned over the star a mirror perhaps, since that sothic triangle also represents the shewbread maybe thats how they made it, condensing the star light/radiations of Sirius into their white matter....which is where I am going with all of this ...at any rate looking at the connections we have made from a scientific/ particle (neutron-deuterium) perspective and those bible passages in the mutus liber, that I was oblivious about as well as the egyptian lore tied into that star, and all the wyrding....I think we're on to something!

LeoRetilus
02-16-2010, 10:44 PM
Does anybody else think its wyrd how we came to this?

Fat water---> heavy water (H2O+deuterium( 1 additional neutron)) ----->deuteronomy-------> deu=dew-------->night time condensed water , condensed starlight, specifically neutron, neutron stars-------> Sirius, the Dog Star......see all the connections?

Plants that fix nitrogen---> interstellar cyanide radicals (alkahest?)----> trefoil grass, acacia---->tannins, phenylethylamine ( Ghislain, from that Sirius Rising website you found: Lion Path (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:oEKS_u6iB_cJ:www.siriusrising.com/lionpath.htm+sirius+rising+lion+path&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a) "Ancient beyond imagination, the Lion Path was the path of Egyptian kings and their families. They believed that within them was a potential"that from it would spring the refulgent and glorious envelope in which the Spirit-Soul (Ka) would take it's abode".

The 42 books of Thoth, of which only fragments remain, contain formulae for restoring the Vital Force and triggering a metamorphic process within the cells of the physical body. This would allow the Ka, or Spirit-Soul to form an "immortal body of light", not subject to the limitations of the 3 dimensional physical world.

This power was brought forth from the womb of the Divine Mother Isis, they believed, and emanated from her star, the brightest star in the sky, Sirius.

Certain plants contained substances that captured the radiant energy of Sirius just as chlorophyll captured the energy of the Sun. Tuned like crystals, these molecules transmitted the knowledge and awareness of the "Sirian Ray" to the recipient. In coffin text 316 we read: "I have become as she-who-triumphs, Lady of Glorious Appearings... she whose secret power is great has raised me to Divinity".

No precise identification for these plants remain. Called "Hu" or "Tchefit" by the Egyptian Priest, the substance was an extract from some shrub or shrubs native to "the Divine Lands", a region now identified as the region between the Nile and the Red sea.

From the descriptions of the state induced by these "Star Medicines", modern pharmacology would identify analogs of the phenylethylamine (PEA) molecule as the most likely candidate.

Providing the base molecule for such psycho-active compounds as mescaline, PEA is also produced naturally in the body from the amino-acid phenylalanine when stimulated by strong positive emotions such as love or high achievement, and is considered to be one of the main "reward" neurotransmitters of the body. Recent research has discovered that small,almost homeopathic doses of the herb Cannabis Sativa elevate PEA levels in the brain by nearly 400%, larger quantities however, inhibit it's production.

It is also produced by the breakdown of tissue during the fasting process and when the body is critically ill. PEA may be responsible for triggering the visions that many people experience at these times.

Also of interest is the plant steroid ecdysterone, a growth stimulator and plant analog for the compound responsible for transforming caterpillars into butterflies. Ecdysterone has also been found to be strongly anabolic (growth enhancing) in humans. Just as Monarch butterflies require certain plants to provide the catalyst for their metamorphosis, the "Book of Thoth" described plants that initiated a process of metamorphosis or "superbiology" for the advancement of the human Spirit-Soul, the Ka, into it's higher dimensional form.

Combinations of ecdysterone and phenylethylamine derivatives would appear to be the likeliest choice for initiating a process of growth and transformation in humans.

The theory that star light can effect change in DNA structures is unproven by modern science. Though obvious to every farmer, the theory that sunlight effected growth in plants was also unproven until instruments capable of detecting photons were developed."


From :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia

As mentioned previously, Acacias contain a number of organic compounds that defend them from pests and grazing animals.[7] Many of these compounds are psychoactive in humans. The alkaloids found in Acacias include dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) and N-methyltryptamine (NMT). The plant leaves, stems and/or roots are sometimes made into a brew together with some MAOI-containing plant and consumed orally for healing, ceremonial or religious uses. Egyptian mythology has associated the acacia tree with characteristics of the tree of life (see the article on the Myth of Osiris and Isis).

Acacia adunca
β-methyl-phenethylamine, 2.4% in leaves[25]

Acacia angustissima
β-methyl-phenethylamine,[29] NMT and DMT in leaf (1.1-10.2 ppm)[30]

Acacia constricta
β-methyl-phenethylamine[29]

Acacia greggii
N-methyl-β-phenethylamine,[29] phenethylamine[7]

Acacia schaffneri
β-methyl-phenethylamine, Phenethylamine[7] Amphetamines and mescaline also found.[14]

Aside from the mood altering chemicals though we also have cyanide and tannin present....the acacia was highly regarded by the hebrews and the egyptians as well as the tamarisk tree (Tammarix mannifera).

In Egyptian Mythology, the body of Osiris is hidden for a time in a tamarisk tree in Byblos, until it was retrieved by Isis.

solomon levi
02-16-2010, 11:43 PM
Thats kind of hard to read... what passage is that in Deuteronomy?

Well, I was just using Deuteronomy as code for deuterium, in case you weren't
going to reveal the name. But yes, the quote is significant. :)

solomon levi
02-17-2010, 12:16 AM
That three times three reference, with one of the threes being mercury,
sulfur and salt, also reminded me of the 12 divisions of water; you could
get nine divisions if you divided it like - mercury of mercury, mercury of sulfur,
mercury of salt, sulfur of sulfur, ..... so 1 part of those 9 will be the heaviest
(most deuterium).
But the bird's foot thing is fascinating.

I like the phi references. I was thinking about phi the other day - phi-la - sopher: those who know the golden mean. I'm working on a way to run a
water trap through a funnel with a phi spiral imbedded with magnets.


Another interesting item I thought of: Promethius who flew up to steal fire
from the sun and had his wings burnt off and fell... sounds like the formation of deuterium
heavy water in/from the sun which "falls" because it is heavier (loses wings).

LeoRetilus
02-17-2010, 02:05 AM
I. I'm working on a way to run a
water trap through a funnel with a phi spiral imbedded with magnets.




Something like this:



http://xs.to/image-65D9_4B7B5558.jpg

http://xs.to/image-98AB_4B7B5558.jpg

From: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/tw/longtrap.htm

Had you seen this already?

LeoRetilus
02-17-2010, 03:50 AM
Well, there are two sources on the subtleenergies site that claim to have
dissolved gold in the snot, and references to this being the Mercury of the
Philosophers, so it better dissolve/reincrudate gold. There are plenty of old
texts that tell us how to treat our gold after it melts in the mercury like ice.
I don't believe they mention adding any salt at this point or any later times.
You just digest it.

Where did you find these references, on the subtleenergies website? Can you post them.....thanks Sol.

solomon levi
02-17-2010, 06:52 PM
Had you seen this already?

No. That looks pretty cool. So a pine cone pattern. ;)


Well, the one reference was the ozone man who dissolved the gold picture frame
with his skin/sweat. The other was a guy saying that people had done it. I'll see
if I can find it.

solomon levi
02-17-2010, 08:25 PM
This one: go to the bottom, first paragraph under "DISCUSSION":

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

"Aqua regia is not the only way to dissolve gold. The alchemists used 'Mercury'. This is a confusing kind of technical term. As a solvent, it is really about the fixation of the universal spirit in the air (also called Universal Mercury, i.e. LIFE) onto matter from any of the three kingdoms. It is a merging of Life energy and matter. The tangible matter which is usually a salt, after the life spirit has been fixed on it, has its chemical and physical properties seriously bent. A sublimate from this union acquires a new property in that it can now dissolve gold--no HCl/HNO3. Not a fantasy. Our group has done it"


So actually he's not saying the heavy water dissolves gold, but the water, or ormus trap water, imbibed upon a salt then sublimated.

Andro
02-17-2010, 08:39 PM
I find the following quote (from the same source (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm)) to be equally important, especially since it also validates the results I've been getting with my own medieval methods :)


The Mercury in the air, (read Life), when bonded to a matter gives a 'philosophical vitriol', a salt of unusual physico-chemical properties. This is digested and it separates into a red and white 'Mercury' - as oils, and a solid. These in union gave rise to the evolutionary process described by so many alchemists. In fact it is the manipulation of the white and red that is the beginning of most tracts.
Our special water does seem to play an important role in the process, but I'd say don't expect to buy it in a store and have it perform miracles.
This water is naturally concentrated in the vessel from the Air, and it will 'grow' more of its kind via circulation.

LeoRetilus
02-17-2010, 09:18 PM
Sol that was in reference to the magnetic air trap and ether collection method that I posted in the Success Thread as well as emailed to you.
The white matter he speaks of is extracted from the air when the "mercury" is in the air, "it is despised by everyone"..... its fog. Once the ether dries up it leaves the dry powder behind, you can take your trap water and shake it up with some ether and get close to the same results, however this trap water alone does not dissolve gold I tried it yesterday the mercury must be extracted and allowed to digest to get the white and the red.

And as for Jim whose very sweat contained the philosophical mercury that dissolved metals and flashed into gold in the presence of sunlight....well you know he was playing with gold cyanide laden waters and ozone when he had his accident and gold threads bled from his hands, after which his finger prints turned to gold, remember from Jims Story,.... they called him goldfinger.

Those gold threads also grew in the charcoal and from underneath their fingernails,..... ouch bet that was painful.

Seth-Ra
02-17-2010, 09:35 PM
Sol that was in reference to the magnetic air trap and ether collection method that I posted in the Success Thread as well as emailed to you.
The white matter he speaks of is extracted from the air when the "mercury" is in the air, "it is despised by everyone"..... its fog. Once the ether dries up it leaves the dry powder behind, you can take your trap water and shake it up with some ether and get close to the same results, however this trap water alone does not dissolve gold I tried it yesterday the mercury must be extracted and allowed to digest to get the white and the red.

And as for Jim whose very sweat contained the philosophical mercury that dissolved metals and flashed into gold in the presence of sunlight....well you know he was playing with gold cyanide laden waters and ozone when he had his accident and gold threads bled from his hands, after which his finger prints turned to gold, remember from Jims Story,.... they called him goldfinger.

Those gold threads also grew in the charcoal and from underneath their fingernails,..... ouch bet that was painful.

Ah the Midas-Touch. ;)

LeoRetilus
02-17-2010, 09:47 PM
Heres Jim's Story again: Jims Story (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/mystory.htm) for those who missed it, and in my opinion it is a modern day occurance of rediscovering the philosophical mercury and all of its powers and further confirms the contents of this thread in relation to the cyanide waters and the gold, the air and instant oxidation/putrefaction with HV potential/ozone. Enjoy :)

LeoRetilus
02-18-2010, 02:23 AM
Heres a cheap and easy way to obtain ether. Go to the automotive or grocery store and buy a few cans of starting fluid, it will be in a spray can .

Take the can and shake it up or put it in a warm place, but don't heat it.

Now take the can and turn it exactly upside down and spray all the heptane (propellant) out of it. Do this several times re-inverting the can and shaking again and turn upside down again until you get no more spray. When you are confident the can no longer holds any pressure, turn it upside down again and puncture the bottom with a clean philips screwdriver and pour the ether out, its really very simple and cheap.

solomon levi
02-20-2010, 12:40 AM
I think you can just spray the entire contents into another vessel too and
the gas will fly off and the ether will be liquefied. So I read.

alfr
02-20-2010, 05:43 AM
Originally Posted by LeoRetilus
This gives me some ideas....anyone with a telescope can try this, center Sirius and even the moon for that matter in your eyepiece and then magnify its light into your water/matter/ distillation flask.


hallo
you mean something like this?

268

and maybe this

269

could give some hints on how to use it
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Spikenard is 1 of the 23 flavors of Dr. Pepper. Should one follow that link? What’s the worst that could happen?

Leo, in the symbol you placed of sirius
I found the same but with the addition of a half circle or dome.





The symbol appears in the Mutus Liber and in Adam McLeans commentary he refers to it as representing the Lunar essence. I think this may be a mistake and is in fact your Sirius essence.

In plate three is Jupiter above Juno with her peacock...The sun and moon off to the sides...not a prime position.
In plate four is where your theory really comes into its own...the sun and moon are still off to the sides and the
light radiating down on everything comes from another source. Could this be Sirius?

Ghislain


Nice work Ghislain....thanks....I drink Dr. Pepper all the time, love the stuff....had to be a reason. I found the symbol with the half round as well but couldn't post the whole thing at the time....not sure but I think it symbolises the sun rising ....or looking at the way it is positioned over the star a mirror perhaps, since that sothic triangle also represents the shewbread maybe thats how they made it, condensing the star light/radiations of Sirius into their white matter....which is where I am going with all of this ...at any rate looking at the connections we have made from a scientific/ particle (neutron-deuterium) perspective and those bible passages in the mutus liber, that I was oblivious about as well as the egyptian lore tied into that star, and all the wyrding....I think we're on to something!
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Alfr

Hi Leo, first of all congratulations on all your posts, they really clarify many things and congratulations on your splendid results in the laboratory and your beautiful photos of your GW philosopher's stone. Its exceptional results of transmutation.

Now about mirror lenses, sun and moon and star irradiation and their relative concentration and irradiation with the methodology of this special solar alchemy, in that it uses the irradiation and concentration of the rays of the sun, moon and stars with mirrors, lenses and telescopes.

I recommend for some indications for the use of telescopes and irradiation in this solar and sidereal alchemy a book of Jacques Bergier (I read this book more than 10 years ago) and if I remember correctly the title was; Jacques Bergier: Visa pour une autre terre ed. Albin Michel, and its English version was titled: Secret doors of the earth (Jacques Bergier who was known to be in close contact with Schwaller de Lubicz and Fulcanelli).

This is a book very curious and very interestingly and he give a good description of the hypothesis of this methodology of solar sidereal alchemy with the irradiation of the various planetary rays through the use of a telescopes.

Also about this methodology and its origin Paracelsian (the irradiation and concentration of the rays the sun, moon and stars with mirrors, lenses and telescopes.

I also recommend a German manuscript which gives very explicit explanation of this particular methodology of sidereal-solar alchemy .

The German manuscript in question is Zweyte Silentium Dei also known under the title of Arcana Divina this manuscript was written to Johann Arndt (1555-1621), the author of the Wahre Christentum (1609)

In this manuscript is somewhat described in the old forum of levity.com http://www.levity.com/alchemy/a-archive_nov00.html you can find one of the versions unfortunately mistranslated and only partial and without the last part on the lunar method and the use of the irradiation of the lunar cold fire. This translation is in the collection RAMS and you can found it to this link http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy3/arcdivin.htm .

This German manuscript originally belonged to the Imperator of the Order of the German Golden Rose Cross and this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei or Arcana Divina was given to the members of this Order in the last grade as it consisted of operating with this special and specific methodology of solar alchemy.

In this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei it is discussed in detail, irradiation and concentration of the solar lunar and sidereal rays with mirrors, lenses and telescopes
(perhaps with special and specific mirrors etc.? specially constructed for this purpose) and irradiating them with high temperatures and concentrations on various magnets to attract and to concretize in form liquid the spiritus mundi and or the pulvis soloaris and thanks to this transformation the various and appropriate materials salt, mineral etc., undergoing fusion through intense sunlight into the philosopher's stone .

Do you know this manuscript and its partial English translation?
If so what do you think about these ideas?
I would like to have your opinion on this matter.

Furthermore, this methodology of the solar alchemy speaks also diffusedly by A. von Bernus in the final chapter in his remarkable work entitled Alchimie et médecine A. von Bernus Editeur : Ediru (1991) Paris France in fact in this last chapter he comments with clarity the way of this methodology of solar alchemy for the elaboration and creation of this spiritus mundi and pulvis solaris (source paracelsian) obtained through the concentration of sunlight with mirrors and special lenses.

Analyzing in details two important texts (1) Le Comte de Gabalis by Abbé Nicholas de Montfaucon de Villars ed Kessinger Publishing,(1992) he describes in his text the specific methodology of alchemy for the solar attraction and creation of the spiritus mundi or pulvis solaris

"We have only to concentrate the Fire of the World (the sun) in a globe of crystal by means of concave mirrors; and this is the art which all the ancients religiously concealed, and which the divine Theophratus (Paracelsus) discovered. A Solar Powder is formed in this globe, which being purified in itself and freed from any admixture of the other Elements, and being prepared according to the Art, becomes
in a very short time supremely fitted to exalt the (life) Fire which is in us, and to make us become, as it were, of an igneous nature... and when your eyes have been strength*ened by the use of the very holy Medicine..."

and the (2) text is entitled: Het vraagstuk de zuurstof (The Problem of Oxygen) which was published by Rosicrucian press, Hilversum Holland 1921 autor: A.A. van den Meulem ( known also as: Frater Syntheticus ) what so also he describes in his text the specific methodology of alchemy for the solar attraction and creation of the spiritus mundi or pulvis solaris.

“The ether is set in-motion by the rays of the sun whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun rays by means of mirrors and lenses can generate certain waves in the ether and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis essenzialis (essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of disease! ”

I know these various methodology of the solar alchemy ?

I would like have your opinion on this very special methodology ?

(I hope that these indications benefit you and help to deepen and to develop our research )

( Sorry to all for my bad englsh and for my inexperience in using the functions-quote of this forum )

Thanks Alfr

LeoRetilus
02-20-2010, 08:45 AM
Hello alfr and teofrast, thanks for the posts.

I wasn't aware there was so much written on the subject of using mirrors and telescopes in alchemy, so no, I haven't heard of any of that material you refered to and not read any of it, but it stands to reason, since ultimately the condensation of celestial rays(sun,moon,stars) are what we are really after. It was probably best summerized by Johan Friedrich FLEISCHER in Chemical Moonshine (http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy5/fleischer.htm) when he wrote: Kind Reader! Many years have already flown, in which I have read not only many sincere Chemical books, but also sophistical ones, worked through the processes of the God-forsaken deceitful arch-liars, through which I have lost both my moderate fortune and my health. If but a single Christian friend had only revealed to me the meanest spark of the true being, and from thence what is absorbed by animal, vegetable, mineral and lead, flux of the solar-rays, yea! If he had led me and directed me to catch hold of the astral, viscous, fat water, I would be forever obliged to that one from that hour forth"

Although IMO ultimately we need a body of some sort to extrude this astral essence from or to collect it with, whether it be water, plants, animals, mineral or lead, the more universal and unspecified, the easier the work is, and Bacstrom says as much here concerning the universal spirit: http://www.levity.com/alchemy/bacsproc.html

"This is the subject of the Stone or Medicine of the Philosophers. The more you take this in its simple, universal, unspecified or unmarried state, the easier, simpler and greater is your work, but the more this subject is already specified the more troublesome prolix and expensive is your process."

and when he says, "It has the power of becoming material and of returning again to universality." He is alluding to the process of becoming particular (plant,animal, mineral) and again becoming universal, light, through the spagyrical processes(extracting the three principals and re-uniting them) and as I have said before the science of all the little particulars is important because it brings us to that revelation, and although Bacstrom goes on to give a quite particular process, if you miss the little details on energizing your glasses, globes and putting your matter in moonlight, then your starting matters whatever they be or however particular they be, will probably not have enough of what we are after to produce a stone.

So it would stand to reason that if you can in fact condense light rays (sun and moon) into solid matter, then that would be the most universal way to go, although I am not convinced it is possible to do such a thing without some degree of body for them to cling to, not in any reasonable timeframe anyway. Water seems to be the most universal substance, dew to absorb some rays, and the fat water from within the earth to absorb the other and unite that which falls from heaven with that from within the earth.

Andro
02-20-2010, 09:03 AM
Water seems to be the most universal substance, dew to absorb some rays, and the fat water from within the earth to absorb the other and unite that which falls from heaven with that from within the earth.

I would say that Dew by itself performs all these functions. If properly collected at the right times, it will contain the condensed vapors rising from the Earth below during the night, as well as the condensed rays from above.

LeoRetilus
02-20-2010, 09:35 AM
I would say that Dew by itself performs all these functions. If properly collected at the right times, it will contain the condensed vapors rising from the Earth below during the night, as well as the condensed rays from above.

While I would tend to agree with that statement, partially there is overwhelming evidence that the two waters are very much different and the one from within the earth does in fact separate into the two mercuries, albeit maybe this gur only contains what dew does but in a thickened state, because it was left alone by the sun underground and allowed to coagulate, these fat waters if taken from within the earth will tremondously speed up our processes : http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aai2vsb.htm

George Ripley ~ Medulla Alchymiae

The first Matter of this unclean Alchymical Body is a Viscous Water, which is thickened in the Bowels of the Earth. And therefore of this Impure Body (as Vincent saith) is made the great Elixir of the Red and White, whose name is Adrop, or Adrup, viz., the Philosophers' lead. From the which Raymundus commands an Oyl to be drawn: from the Lead of the Philosophers (saith he) let there be an Oyl drawn of a Golden Colour; if you can separate this Oyl (wherein is Our second Tincture and Fire of nature) from its Phlegm, which is its waterishness, and wisely search out the Secret thereof, you may in the space of 30 days perform the Work of the Philosophers' Stone.


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Martin Rulandus ~ A Lexicon of Alchemy

Water --- Dry Water which does not wet the hands. It must be remembered in this connection that those Adepts who give this name to their Mercury are followers of the Dry Way in the operation of the Magisterium; those who, like Paracelsus, Basil Valentin, etc., are operators of the Humid Way, apply to the same substance the appellation of Virgin's Milk, because it is a white liquor which does wet the hands, while the other is a fluid Mercury of the nature of Vulgar Quicksilver.


From: http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aai3as.htm

Jacob Juran ~ Hyle & Coahyl

"Gur --- Its sign, however, is this: in the caves of the mountains where the workers labor and dig our gold or silver, a white oil drips out and when it has disappeared in the ground in which there is this Cohyle or the seed and the beginning of the gold, there will be something glowing from the earth like a tear or like a white blood, and like a tear of a plant or a grapevine when they are cut, and it is similar to drops of light water in its seeping out, and after a day or night it will coagulate and be similar to the saliva of the mouth or the milk or water foam. And after a certain time when you see it, you will find it slightly reddish and this redness will increase every day, and when it is redder than coagulated blood, but not yet hard as stone, but soft and like a salve and cream, then the gold in it is completed, but not yet stable in the heat of the fire, and it will not be stable until it coagulates and becomes similar to a hard rock, and this is the word of King Saba, which he talks about in his book Kaba Thabiban, the oil, the butter of the wise. It is a bird in the world and it is white like snow, and it is the bird of all birds since it doesn’t fly underneath the sky and above the earth like other birds, but it comes down from the height of the sky into the deepest abysses in the interior of the earth, and its flight goes through stone and ground, through rock and the abysses of the sea; this bird in reality is the Phoenix of the Wise and alchemists, and if it doesn’t join with the mother of the gold in the earth and this become white and slightly stable, then the alchemists will not be able to complete it in a long time except if it comes down every day and flies into the interior of the earth and hides and unites with the mother of the gold, and when you first see it you will compare it with the seed of men, and its face, if white, will turn red after some time, and it will be soft as butter or a salve; but when its softness changes the gold is born and stable in fire. This Cohyle has no name, just like the Cohyle of the first way has none. But the experienced of those working inside the mountains when they find this Cohyle, they answer and say we have preceded the birth of the son and the completion of the gold because, see, the son is received, and due to our hurry we have found no gold… my son, choose this Cohyle, the butter of the wise men; you can find when it is red like blood, choose it, because with it you will hurry to its end, and if it is white like saliva of the mouth, choose it because with it you will understand even more; therefore when possible choose the red one and the white one, but choose it soft like a fatty substance…"

John Webster ~ Metallographia: Or, An History of Metals

" III. Of the Generation of Metalls, and whether they Grow, and have Vegetability --- The author of Arcae Arca. [Theatr. Chym.] from Lully and Mathesius tells us this… ‘That the matter (viz. of Metals) before it be coagulated into a metallick form, is like unto Butter made of the Cream of milk, which may be clamed or spread as Butter, which he (he meaneth Mathesius) calleth Gur, which I also (saith the Author quoted) have found in the Mines, where Nature hath produced Lead’. To ratifie this, and to put it forth of doubt, I shall relate what I my self have found, and how have some pounds of it by me. Inquiring after this Gur of all persons that I could hear of that wrought in Mines, there could some of them tell me, that often in the sudden breaking of some Stone, there would be a liquor spurt forth bright and shining, which they regarded not, because they knew no use nor benefit to be made of it, nor knew how to save or keep it."

Andro
02-20-2010, 09:42 AM
The two waters are very much different and the one from within the earth does in fact separate into the two mercuries.

So does good dew.


[...] albeit maybe this gur only contains what dew does but in a thickened state, because it was left alone by the sun underground and allowed to coagulate, these fat waters if taken from within the earth will tremendously speed up our processes.

This sounds very logical and you're most likely right :)

Seth-Ra
02-20-2010, 09:45 AM
It is correct, and if one gathers dew at night, and allows it not to touch the sun, then it too will coagulate if given opportunity proper. ;)

memphis_mizraim
02-20-2010, 12:07 PM
Dew is just not something falling from the sky, it is also a vapor rising from the earth.
Two vapors coming together to form DEW.

memphis_mizraim
02-20-2010, 12:29 PM
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/a-archive_nov00.html[/url] you can find one of the versions unfortunately mistranslated and only partial and without the last part on the lunar method and the use of the irradiation of the lunar cold fire. This translation is in the collection RAMS and you can found it to this link http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy3/arcdivin.htm .

This German manuscript originally belonged to the Imperator of the Order of the German Golden Rose Cross and this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei or Arcana Divina was given to the members of this Order in the last grade as it consisted of operating with this special and specific methodology of solar alchemy.

In this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei it is discussed in detail, irradiation and concentration of the solar lunar and sidereal rays with mirrors, lenses and telescopes
(perhaps with special and specific mirrors etc.? specially constructed for this purpose) and irradiating them with high temperatures and concentrations on various magnets to attract and to concretize in form liquid the spiritus mundi and or the pulvis soloaris and thanks to this transformation the various and appropriate materials salt, mineral etc., undergoing fusion through intense sunlight into the philosopher's stone .

Do you know this manuscript and its partial English translation?
If so what do you think about these ideas?
I would like to have your opinion on this matter.

Furthermore, this methodology of the solar alchemy speaks also diffusedly by A. von Bernus in the final chapter in his remarkable work entitled Alchimie et médecine A. von Bernus Editeur : Ediru (1991) Paris France in fact in this last chapter he comments with clarity the way of this methodology of solar alchemy for the elaboration and creation of this spiritus mundi and pulvis solaris (source paracelsian) obtained through the concentration of sunlight with mirrors and special lenses.

Analyzing in details two important texts (1) Le Comte de Gabalis by Abbé Nicholas de Montfaucon de Villars ed Kessinger Publishing,(1992) he describes in his text the specific methodology of alchemy for the solar attraction and creation of the spiritus mundi or pulvis solaris

"We have only to concentrate the Fire of the World (the sun) in a globe of crystal by means of concave mirrors; and this is the art which all the ancients religiously concealed, and which the divine Theophratus (Paracelsus) discovered. A Solar Powder is formed in this globe, which being purified in itself and freed from any admixture of the other Elements, and being prepared according to the Art, becomes
in a very short time supremely fitted to exalt the (life) Fire which is in us, and to make us become, as it were, of an igneous nature... and when your eyes have been strength*ened by the use of the very holy Medicine..."

and the (2) text is entitled: Het vraagstuk de zuurstof (The Problem of Oxygen) which was published by Rosicrucian press, Hilversum Holland 1921 autor: A.A. van den Meulem ( known also as: Frater Syntheticus ) what so also he describes in his text the specific methodology of alchemy for the solar attraction and creation of the spiritus mundi or pulvis solaris.

“The ether is set in-motion by the rays of the sun whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun rays by means of mirrors and lenses can generate certain waves in the ether and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis essenzialis (essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of disease! ”

I know these various methodology of the solar alchemy ?

I would like have your opinion on this very special methodology ?

(I hope that these indications benefit you and help to deepen and to develop our research )

( Sorry to all for my bad englsh and for my inexperience in using the functions-quote of this forum )

Thanks Alfr

Many thanks Alfr, I must do some more research, many leads, but I presume it is lacking clues as none of these documents give the full facts.

The German manuscript in question is Zweyte Silentium Dei also known under the title of Arcana Divina this manuscript was written to Johann Arndt (1555-1621), the author of the Wahre Christentum (1609)

I have looked through the old forums of A.Mclean and the only copy of this manuscript is in the Mellon Collection, in old German.
I have just ordered a copy. Is it translated into any other language or in the Rams collection. The document Arcana Divina looks like a poor translation, anyone have a better one???

Andro
02-20-2010, 02:31 PM
Dew is just not something falling from the sky, it is also a vapor rising from the earth.

Absolutely :)


Two vapors coming together to form DEW.

Dew - Terrium

Double Earth

:D

teofrast40
02-20-2010, 05:50 PM
Now about mirror lenses, sun and moon and star irradiation and their relative concentration and irradiation with the methodology of this special solar alchemy, in that it uses the irradiation and concentration of the rays of the sun, moon and stars with mirrors, lenses and telescopes.

I recommend for some indications for the use of telescopes and irradiation in this solar and sidereal alchemy a book of Jacques Bergier (I read this book more than 10 years ago) and if I remember correctly the title was; Jacques Bergier: Visa pour une autre terre ed. Albin Michel, and its English version was titled: Secret doors of the earth (Jacques Bergier who was known to be in close contact with Schwaller de Lubicz and Fulcanelli).

This is a book very curious and very interestingly and he give a good description of the hypothesis of this methodology of solar sidereal alchemy with the irradiation of the various planetary rays through the use of a telescopes.

Also about this methodology and its origin Paracelsian (the irradiation and concentration of the rays the sun, moon and stars with mirrors, lenses and telescopes.

I also recommend a German manuscript which gives very explicit explanation of this particular methodology of sidereal-solar alchemy .

The German manuscript in question is Zweyte Silentium Dei also known under the title of Arcana Divina this manuscript was written to Johann Arndt (1555-1621), the author of the Wahre Christentum (1609)

In this manuscript is somewhat described in the old forum of levity.com http://www.levity.com/alchemy/a-archive_nov00.html you can find one of the versions unfortunately mistranslated and only partial and without the last part on the lunar method and the use of the irradiation of the lunar cold fire. This translation is in the collection RAMS and you can found it to this link http://www.rexresearch.com/alchemy3/arcdivin.htm .

This German manuscript originally belonged to the Imperator of the Order of the German Golden Rose Cross and this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei or Arcana Divina was given to the members of this Order in the last grade as it consisted of operating with this special and specific methodology of solar alchemy.

In this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei it is discussed in detail, irradiation and concentration of the solar lunar and sidereal rays with mirrors, lenses and telescopes
(perhaps with special and specific mirrors etc.? specially constructed for this purpose) and irradiating them with high temperatures and concentrations on various magnets to attract and to concretize in form liquid the spiritus mundi and or the pulvis soloaris and thanks to this transformation the various and appropriate materials salt, mineral etc., undergoing fusion through intense sunlight into the philosopher's stone .

Do you know this manuscript and its partial English translation?
If so what do you think about these ideas?
I would like to have your opinion on this matter.

Furthermore, this methodology of the solar alchemy speaks also diffusedly by A. von Bernus in the final chapter in his remarkable work entitled Alchimie et médecine A. von Bernus Editeur : Ediru (1991) Paris France in fact in this last chapter he comments with clarity the way of this methodology of solar alchemy for the elaboration and creation of this spiritus mundi and pulvis solaris (source paracelsian) obtained through the concentration of sunlight with mirrors and special lenses.

Analyzing in details two important texts (1) Le Comte de Gabalis by Abbé Nicholas de Montfaucon de Villars ed Kessinger Publishing,(1992) he describes in his text the specific methodology of alchemy for the solar attraction and creation of the spiritus mundi or pulvis solaris

"We have only to concentrate the Fire of the World (the sun) in a globe of crystal by means of concave mirrors; and this is the art which all the ancients religiously concealed, and which the divine Theophratus (Paracelsus) discovered. A Solar Powder is formed in this globe, which being purified in itself and freed from any admixture of the other Elements, and being prepared according to the Art, becomes
in a very short time supremely fitted to exalt the (life) Fire which is in us, and to make us become, as it were, of an igneous nature... and when your eyes have been strength*ened by the use of the very holy Medicine..."

and the (2) text is entitled: Het vraagstuk de zuurstof (The Problem of Oxygen) which was published by Rosicrucian press, Hilversum Holland 1921 autor: A.A. van den Meulem ( known also as: Frater Syntheticus ) what so also he describes in his text the specific methodology of alchemy for the solar attraction and creation of the spiritus mundi or pulvis solaris.

“The ether is set in-motion by the rays of the sun whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun rays by means of mirrors and lenses can generate certain waves in the ether and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis essenzialis (essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of disease! ”

I know these various methodology of the solar alchemy ?

I would like have your opinion on this very special methodology ?

(I hope that these indications benefit you and help to deepen and to develop our research )

( Sorry to all for my bad englsh and for my inexperience in using the functions-quote of this forum )

Thanks Alfr

hallo alfr,
I had been stimulated by Junius' note about the making of pulvis solaris "with the aid of a magnet" , after the finding the photo of that strange "oven" on the net. I also linked it, but I may be wrong, to Fulcanelli's sentence about capturing a ray of sunlight in a flask.
Junius in its note, beside von Bernus, refers to Glauberus Concentratus, Khunrath's Magnesia Catholica Philosophorum, and von Welling's Opus Mago-Cabbalisticum et Theosophicum. Sadly (at the moment) I don't know german, and could not find any translation of those works.
I was not aware of many of the references that you point to, so thank you very much! Another reading that could be useful at that matter is Cyrano de Bergerac Histoire comique des etats et des empyres de la lune et du soleil.
and regarding the bathing of matter/utensils in moon and star light, there seems to be a big debate going on here in europe between followers of canseliet's dry path of antimony, regarding assation, and bathing matter in dew previously exposed to moonlight, or using salts obtained from dew as flux during regulus' separation, or instead considering dew as a (very descriptive) symbol of something else that has to be considered during the process.
anyway, it is quite obviuous to everybody that sun and moon have to play a BIG role in alchemy..

cheerfully
t

LeoRetilus
02-22-2010, 03:23 AM
I have come to a conclusion recently, at least for myself personally, that while hydroscopic salts such as those contained by plant ashes (acacia,tamarisk,birdsfoot trefoil, moonwort) all yield cyanides and may help in speeding up the solving operation of gold fermentation, that they are not necessary. In being hydroscopic these salts only accomplish what we should do on our own and thats.... collect dew. The power is in the holy water and it alone.

You know when one reads through all these old books one can have a certain subject in mind and read what is written through the lens of the matter that we believe is being spoken about and the text may seem to fit, then we may re-read the text with a different subject in mind and as well, the text may seem to fit also.

But when one thinks of dew itself , it does not really fit the text well, ....or so I thought.

We may have to leave an avenue open for the possibility that we are not reading the text from a correct vantage point. Dew doesn't really fit as a water that does not wet the hands, not as a liquid anyways, thats why I was looking for another chemical to attach to it to change its bond angles to fit a water of a less hydrative nature. Unless of course you view it from the point that while it is airborne as a fog or mist , it would qualify as a water that does not wet.

But then again..... on the subject of being poisonous...how could dew be mishandled to produce some kind of poison? In trying to make dew fit into this category I took to the research of what dew is comprised of and found a few articles of scientific research on the matter that were suprising :

http://jeq.scijournals.org/cgi/content/full/35/5/1812#BIB4

A couple of things I like to pull out of this article,..remember what I said eariler, that whenever you hear or read about something a scientist said was unknown or unexplained we should impart our science there: (If you open this article you can see all the other chemicals or elements present in dew, but in particular I found these very interesting)

Chemical Composition(of dew)

Antimony: origin unknown.

Lead: its presence in dew water was found in 5 samples out of 10 at concentrations around the threshold of 10 µg/L. The origin of this contamination is unknown because no element of the condenser structure contains the constituent Pb. According to Dulac et al. (1992), The Pb to Cd ratio gives an idea of the origin of Pb

Note that, due to its low mineralization, dew water is corrosive and this should be taken into account when choosing pipe materials.

This is an interesting quality in being corrosive and since it contains acetates as you will see later on in this post and the next,..... maybe the correct way to go about any acetate process is by using dew to obtain the acetic acid, or simply oxidise your metal well, powder it and set it outside to absorb dew every night.


http://pdfserve.informaworld.com/709038__778644106.pdf

Dew was collected and analyzed during the Carbonaceous
Species Methods Comparison Study in the Los
Angeles basin (Glendora, CA) in August 1986. Formate,
acetate, and other carboxylate anions were consistently
observed, with formate generally being the most abundant
anion in the dew.

Free acid (H +) was only about one-fifth
of the total dew acidity

Formaldehyde concentrations in the
dew samples were indeed substantial,
i.e., several hundred micromolar (Table 1;
Grosjean, 1987)

Formate was not only present but was
usually, and on the average, the most
abundant anion in the dew-more
abundant even than nitrate or sulfate.

Acetate was also present in substantial
amounts

The dew chemistry changed slightly during
the morning, notably by the disappearance
of NO, and oxalate

HCHO & HONO in dew (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VH3-4X6VMN0-7&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1215018487&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1f55172b39917815d69462f0688b1143)

The amounts of formaldehyde and nitrous acid (HONO) in gas phase and dews of Santiago de Chile were simultaneously measured. Formaldehyde concentrations values in the liquid phase (dews) correlate fairly well with those in the gaseous phase and are even higher than those expected from gas–dew equilibrium.

http://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/8/6/4006

Selected anions and cations as well as formaldehyde and sum of phenols were determined

HCHO was found in 97 % of dew samples, with concentrations ranging from 0.010 to 5.40 meq/L.




Since formaldehyde according to the above articles seems to be the most prevelant in dew I'd like to look at it in the context of the poison being refered to:

Interstellar formaldehyde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_formaldehyde)

Formaldehyde was the first polyatomic organic molecule detected in the interstellar medium and since its initial detection has been observed in many regions of the galaxy [3].

This is the basic production mechanism leading to H2CO; there are several side reactions that take place with each step of the reaction that are based on the nature of the ice on the grain according to David Woon[13]. The rate constant presented is for the hydrogenation of CO. The rate constant for the hydrogenation of HCO was not provided as it was much larger than that of the hydrogenation of CO, likely due to the fact that HCO is a radical[14]. Awad et al.. mention that this is a surface level reaction only and only the monolayer is considered in calculations; this includes the surface within cracks in the ice[14].

Formaldehyde is relatively inactive in gas phase chemistry in the interstellar medium. Its action is predominantly focused in grain-surface chemistry on dust grains in interstellar clouds[15],[16]. Reactions involving formaldehyde have been observed to produce molecules containing C-H, C-O, O-H, and C-N bonds[16]. While these products are not necessarily well known, Schutte et al.. believe these to be typical products of formaldehyde reactions at higher temperatures, polyoxymethylene, methanolamine, methanediol, and methoxyethanol for example (see Table 2[15]). Formaldehyde is believed to be the primary precursor for most of the complex organic material in the interstellar medium, including amino acids[16]. Formaldehyde most often reacts with NH3, H2O, CH3OH, CO, and itself, H2CO[


While free cyanides were present in all dews collected they weren't really there in any apreciable volumes to consider them as being an active ingredient in dew. Above we can see the cyanide bond again, so maybe these plants that produce it are just sucking the formaldehyde down out of the night sky and into their leaves, and reacting with it to produce cyanide, which is where its found the majority of the time(in the leaves).

Although ultimately if something solid and finite is extracted from dew that acts on gold, whatever this substance is it must on some level be interacting with the gold on a chemical basis when it dissolves it otherwise it would be violating the laws of nature set up that govern this plane. However, in an effort to view the subject of dew in a less chemical light...if these chemical precursors(formaldehydes,cyanides,acetates) for life are present in the dew, and also in space, then the question remains...where do they come from?

It has to be from another dimension, maybe one right on top of this one, then these astral essences that the stone is actually made of, are bleeding over from a higher plane to this one in the form of solid organic compounds which then go on to be the basis for life and for metals in this world. So then the stone becomes less a function of chemicals and more a function of the astral essence or astral salts that manifest themselves in a solid form, which would be the only way that such a substance could do all the magical things it can do, because it represents a doorway onto higher planes of existence that mold the very fabric of this plane that we call home.

LeoRetilus
02-22-2010, 04:33 AM
In addition to the above I found this nice document on the Origin of life (http://www.micro.siu.edu/micr425/Lecture%20notes/OriginLife.doc), that I desire to be an exposition to the formaldehyde-cyanide process.

Atmospheric Reactions
Secondary atmosphere contained:
N2, H2O (vapor), NH3, H2S, CO and CO2
These reacted to give small organic molecules especially HCN(cyanide) and HCHO(formaldehyde):
2CH4 + N2  2HCN +3H2
CO + NH3  HCN +H2O

HCN and HCHO react further:
HCHO + NH3 + HCN   H2NCH2CN + H2O

In the primeval ocean:
H2NCH2-CN + 2H2O  H2NCH2COOH + NH3

More complex reactions  more complex amino acids
Replacement of NH3 with H2O in above scheme  hydroxy acids

Molecular O2 would destroy these molecules
For origin of life O2 = highly toxic, whereas HCN, H2S, CO, HCHO are life promoting


Synthesis and Destruction

Same energy sources that produce organic molecules also destroy them
To Accumulate organic material
must remove products from reaction region
Water shields molecules from UV and electric discharges
hence the imitation primeval ocean in Miller experiment

Survival of organic molecules on primitive earth:
dissolve in seas or lakes
adsorption to minerals

First formed:
aldehydes (e.g. HCHO, CH3CHO)
cyanides (HCN, NC-CN)
both are volatile, soluble, reactive
dissolve but re-emerge
either react or broken down again
do not accumulate as final products

Later a large variety of organic compounds, mostly acids
organic acids - especially amino acids
ionic - therefore non-volatile and soluble
once dissolved they are safe from UV


Phosphorus

Major problem - entry of phosphorus into reactions

a) Phosphates of Ca etc are very insoluble
most phosphorus would precipitate as Ca phosphate derivatives

b) Most phosphorus experiments used high concentrations of pyrophosphate or poly-phosphate – works OK but is geologically implausible


Primitive Earth Syntheses

a) Amino Acids e.g. Serine

Strecker reaction:
HCHO + HCHO  HOCH2CHO (glycolaldehyde)
HOCH2CHO + NH3  HOCH2CH(OH)NH2
HOCH2CH(OH)NH2  HOCH2CH=NH + H2O
HOCH2CH=NH + HCN  HOCH2CH(NH2)-CN

Hydrolysis of cyanide occurs in water:
HOCH2CH(NH2)-CN + 2H2O  HOCH2CH(NH2)-COOH + NH3

Overall we get:
2HCHO + HCN + H2O  HOCH2CH(NH2)COOH

B) Synthesis of Sugars
Glucose = C6H12O6 = (CH2O)6 Formaldehyde = CH2O

Formose reaction:
polymerization of formaldehyde
mildly alkaline conditions
complex mixture of products
mostly (CH2O)5 & (CH2O)6 plus tetramers & heptamers in smaller amounts
includes most common biological sugars - ribose, glucose etc.
plus wide range of isomers and derivatives

Photochemical formation of HCHO occurs in the atmosphere
can be detected in rain even today

c) Synthesis of Purines
Adenine manufactured in Japan by heat-polymerizing HCN
Adenine = C5H5N5 = (HCN)5

Primitive earth:
tetramer of HCN by successive condensations
rearranged by UV  one ring
fifth HCN condensed with this  second ring

When HCN is heated in solution with NH3  black tar + adenine
smaller amounts of guanine and other purines
ammonia = catalyst – it is regenerated


Extraterrestrial Biomolecules

Interstellar Space

Detected by Radio Telescope
H2O, NH3, NO
HCHO, CO, HCN, HCOOH, CH3OH, HCHS, CH3CN, HCC-CN
Many ions and radicals e.g. OH•,CH+, CN•
Silicon monoxide (SiO) - not stable on Earth
Molecules with up to 9 atoms e.g. CH3CH2CN (ethyl cyanide)

1) Interstellar concentrations of organic molecules - very very low
molecules & unstable fragments almost never collide and so can survive

2) Interstellar space is heavily irradiated by UV
produces radicals/ions from molecules
complex molecules are destroyed unless shaded by interstellar dust
interstellar dust cloud density = approx 10-14 of Earth's atmosphere


Meteorites

Two major classes:
I) metallic (iron) meteorites
II) stony meteorites - mostly silicates of Mg and Fe
sub-class of these = carbonaceous chondrites
these have from 0.2 to 5% carbon
hydrocarbons, fatty acids, amino acids, Kreb’s cycle acids
amino acids are racemic D, L mixture plus non-protein amino acids
DL mixture = non-biological origin – so probably extraterrestrial


This leads to overwhelming evidence that the basis for life is the dew, because out of all the waters on earth dew contains the highest concentrations of formaldehydes.

Andro
02-23-2010, 08:38 AM
This leads to overwhelming evidence that the basis for life is the dew.

Dew (in its various incarnations) is indeed the universal container and attractor of Fire/Mercury/Life.

During the Sun's passing through Aries, the Full Moon in Libra will occur at the end of March. Afterwards, when the Sun is in Taurus (associated with the month of May), the Full Moon in Scorpio will occur on the 28th of April. This will actually be our main 'May' Full Moon season for collecting our Universal Fire at it's best. There's another Full Moon (in Sagittarius) at the end of May, not as strong as the Scorpio one...

memphis_mizraim
02-23-2010, 10:06 AM
I was always informed over the years that twice a year was the only time that the dew collected was of any use.
It had to be collected in May and September and now it was getting very difficult because of pollution.

Andro
02-23-2010, 12:04 PM
[...]getting very difficult because of pollution.

That's why it has to 'die' first - be pu(t)rified by death.

Nothing escapes alchemical death, certainly not pollution :)

LeoRetilus
02-24-2010, 08:10 AM
In making a closer study of the Mutus Liber I find some commonalities with the Cabala Mineralis (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/cab_min1.html)in that they both seem to indicate that GW is used in conjunction with the dew. In taking the Cabala Mineralis in particular I gave myself to the undertaking of analyzing the various chemical products that could be given by what is indicated:

Saltpeter
Urine
Potassium carbonate
Dew

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images/cabmin01.jpg

"The mine of our mercury is our saltpetre not that of the vulgar.
Our sharp bitter vitriol is not that of the vulgar
Our ammoniac is not that of the vulgar"

For one salt peter or potassium nitrate is precipitated by putrefying GW:

Potassium Nitrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_nitrate)

Potassium nitrate readily precipitates from mixtures of salts, and decomposing urine was the main commercial source of the nitrate ion, through various means, from the Late Middle Ages and Early Modern era through the 19th century

Before the large-scale industrial fixation of nitrogen through the Haber process, major sources of potassium nitrate were the deposits crystallizing from cave walls and the draining of decomposing organic material

Now whats interesting is that one of the potential products of heating urea (which is also contained in GW) with potassium carbonate (which can be derived from calcined plant material and seems to me is indicated for us to use by the symbolism of the plant) yields a compound known as potassium cyanate (KOCN), wow another cyanide:

Potassium Cyanate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_cyanate)

KOCN is prepared by urea with potassium carbonate at 400 °C:

2 OC(NH2)2 + K2CO3 → 2 KOCN + (NH4)2CO3
The reaction produces a liquid. Intermediates and impurities include biuret, cyanuric acid, and potassium allophanate (KO2CNHC(O)NH2), as well as unreacted starting urea, but these species are unstable at 400 °C

In further investigation as to whether or not this compound is :
1) Toxic

2) Able to act on gold , I found the following:

While it is toxic to plants, and is in fact used as an herbicide its is relatively un-toxic to fish, wildlife and humans. And as to the second question I found this interseting article: potassium cyanide action on gold (http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=does+Potassium+cyanate+dissolve+gold&sig=8vzMHK8GPS3jOp3lppqzDABWRHE&ei=HGeES-fNNIbQtgOJt-3BDw&ct=result&id=D1HmAAAAMAAJ&ots=lkARIpjIve#v=onepage&q=does%20Potassium%20cyanate%20dissolve%20gold&f=false)

Numerous experiments made with all kinds of additions conducted upon scientific principles with a view to reducing the cyanate to cyanide gave most discouraging results. As far as I am aware, there is no record in technical literature in reference to the regeneration of cyanide from solutions of cyanate. Therefore, I had to launch out into a sea of speculation.

My first experiment was to try the action of the electric current upon a chemically pure solution of potassium cyanate. The action of the current upon straight cyanide (as is well known) results practically in the formation of cyanate. I, therefore, tried the effect of continued effect of electrolysis upon a pure solution of KCNO.

It was not my intention to chase any scientific butterflies, but only the question as to what were the products of electrolysis. I forthwith proceeded with my experiment. On examination of the cathode product NH, revealed its presence by its action on the olfactories. At the anode I collected C02, the solution meanwhile increasing in alkali. These products for a start were by no means encouraging.

However, as a preliminary to an intended systematic research and to see if there was any possibility of some reduction to cyanide, I withdrew a portion of the liquid from the containing vessel and floated some gold leaf upon the surface of the solution and set it aside for observation, meanwhile continuing electrolysis of the remaining solution. After about 10 minutes this solution became very hot; I was about to throw it out as a

spoiled experiment, but, thinking there might be some intermolecular change due to the increased temperature—having in mind among other things Wohler's discovery, viz., conversion of ammonium cyanate into urea—I withdrew a second portion of the solution and floated gold leaf upon its surface, placing it alongside the first experiment.

I watched both solutions carefully. No. 1 experiment, which had already stood 15 minutes, showed no signs of dissolving; No. 2 experiment after 10 minutes surprised me; the gold was surely being dissolved; in 30 minutes it was completely dissolved. No. 1 experiment, after standing all night, showed no signs of dissolution.
Thinking that the reason why No. 1 did not dissolve gold leaf was owing to its not having the same amount of current as No. 2, I set to work and made two experiments under precisely the same conditions, with the exception that one was kept cold by immersion of the containing vessel in a freezing mixture, the other one was allowed to become warm as before. After passing through both the same number of amp-hours of electricity I floated gold leaf on both solutions. On 30 minutes' standing the one that was allowed to become hot dissolved gold leaf completely; the one which was kept cold showed no signs of dissolution even after three days' standing. Platinum electrodes were used in both experiments.

What was the cause of the difference between the electrolyzed hot and cold solutions? Was it the formation of urea? A solution of potassium cyanate containing a small portion of urea I at once electrolyzed, adding a small amount of caustic soda to increase the conductivity; by this means the solution kept at about room temperature. On completion of electrolysis gold leaf was floated upon the surface of this solution and allowed to stand to await results. In about 15 minutes the gold leaf underwent complete dissolution.

From this it would appear that the urea theory was probably correct; or was it the cyanate in conjunction with the urea together with the action of electric current producing cyanide, isopurpurate or some other gold-dissolving compound? Testing with silver nitrate showed an apparently considerable quantity of KCN, but nothing commensurate with its dissolving value on gold leaf.


What's significant about all of this is that by adding potassium carbonate to GW and heating, a reaction with urea is occuring that produces potassiun cyanate and upon further oxidation with heat and or oxygen a susbtance is yielded that does in fact act on gold to dissolve it, this would then become the pontic water indicated and the catholic water would then be the holy water, dew.

Now additionally another way to detoxify cyanide waters is by using ozone:

Ozone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone)

Ozone will also detoxify cyanides by converting it to cyanate, which is a thousand times less toxic.

CN- + O3 → CNO− + O2

Thats what Jim did by building that ozone generator and using it to render the cyanide toxic wastes un-toxic, and recovering gold and precious metals as well as the snot. Cyanates then become key to our work.

garvolt2002
02-24-2010, 09:26 AM
Leo, this is wonderful news. Could the secret be electrolysis??

LeoRetilus
02-25-2010, 05:26 AM
Sorry Garvolt ,it was not a function of electrolysis at all (he only used electrolysis to produce the potassium cyanate, which would not dissolve gold, the cyanide being oxidised by the electrical potential), it was a function of heat, something was being formed that dissolved gold, as can be seen by reading what I pulled out from his notes on the experiement very carefully:



Thinking that the reason why No. 1 did not dissolve gold leaf was owing to its not having the same amount of current as No. 2, I set to work and made two experiments under precisely the same conditions, with the exception that one was kept cold by immersion of the containing vessel in a freezing mixture, the other one was allowed to become warm as before. After passing through both the same number of amp-hours of electricity I floated gold leaf on both solutions. On 30 minutes' standing the one that was allowed to become hot dissolved gold leaf completely; the one which was kept cold showed no signs of dissolution even after three days' standing. .

So you see both experiments 1 and 2 both had the same amount of potential appled to them, however the one that was kept cold did not dissolve the gold while the one that was heated did, he goes on to speculate why:

"What was the cause of the difference between the electrolyzed hot and cold solutions? Was it the formation of urea? A solution of potassium cyanate containing a small portion of urea I at once electrolyzed, adding a small amount of caustic soda to increase the conductivity; by this means the solution kept at about room temperature. On completion of electrolysis gold leaf was floated upon the surface of this solution and allowed to stand to await results. In about 15 minutes the gold leaf underwent complete dissolution."

What he probably didn't know is that potassium cyanate is produced by heating urea with potassium carbonate which makes all these alchemical paths utilizing urine and plant salts shine in a new light,at least for me. But like I said above potassium cyanate will not act on gold, the cyanide being oxidised and not able to bond to the gold. But what is happening when the heat is turned up is any bodys guess, maybe by continual heating the oxygen is reduced and the cyanide made available again, but my guess is not because his test for free cyanides came back negative.

LeoRetilus
02-25-2010, 09:16 AM
Does anybody recognize these crystals?

http://meded.ucsd.edu/isp/1994/im-quiz/images/struvit.jpg

They are struvite crystals, thats right they come from urine.

Struvite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struvite)


Struvite (ammonium magnesium phosphate) is a phosphate mineral with formula: ((NH4)MgPO4·6H2O). Struvite crystallizes in the orthorhombic system as white to yellowish or brownish-white pyramidal crystals or in platey mica-like forms. It is a soft mineral with Mohs hardness of 1.5 to 2 and has a low specific gravity of 1.7. It is sparingly soluble in neutral and alkaline conditions, but readily soluble in acid.

Struvite precipitates in alkaline urine, forming stones

Struvite is a main source of phosphorus: In following that lead from the urine crystals as well as the connection to dew we find that first,

Phosphorus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus)

Due to its high reactivity, phosphorus is never found as a free element in nature on Earth. The first form of phosphorus to be discovered (white phosphorus, in 1669) emits a faint glow upon exposure to oxygen-hence its name given from Greek mythology, Φωσφόρος meaning "light-bearer" (Latin Lucifer), referring to the "Morning Star", the planet Venus, here we see the luciferian/ morning star/Stella Matuna link, which before I get into the subject of phosphorus too much I'd like to introduce something I found long ago, but only now am beginning to slowy understand: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.spirituality.druid/browse_thread/thread/d3313c38c620c419

Another method:

o Add magnesium chloride to the urine and a precipitant forms which is
magnesium ammonium phosphate.

o Clean this precipitant with several washes until it no longer has an
odor.

o This material has taken the phosphor normally found in the top oil and
combined it with the ammonia found in the white earth.

Shown in the photo to left is Gustav Meyrink (1868 - 1932). He was a
member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and believed the "prime
matter" to be struvite (magnesium ammonium phosphate)which is made by
adding magnesium chloride to urine. It precipitates to the bottom as a
white salt. Why did he believe this was the prima materia? Most likely
because he witnessed it's manufacture and use in the Order and the name
of the Order itself is a metaphor for morning urine.

Although what *** probably didn't realize is that nothing foriegn should be added, in time it becomes alkaline on its own and the struvite crystals form on their own, from the oil that gathers on top.

Now returning to the phosphorus acquired from said struvite from GW, heres the most profound connection to the glowing white alkahest: (from that wikepedia link)

Glow from white phosphorus

In 1669, German alchemist Hennig Brand attempted to distil some kind of "life essence" from his urine, and in the process he produced a white material that glowed in the dark.[4] The phosphorus had been produced from inorganic phosphate, which is a significant component of dissolved urine solids.

This quality then when taken with the heated cyanates would give a glowing white alkahest capabale of dissolving gold.

And whats even more profound about the phosphorus link is that according to the same article:

Phosphorus has several forms (allotropes) which have strikingly different properties.[9] The two most common allotropes are white phosphorus and red phosphorus. Red phosphorus is an intermediate phase between white and violet phosphorus. Another form, scarlet phosphorus, is obtained by allowing a solution of white phosphorus in carbon disulfide to evaporate in sunlight. Black phosphorus is obtained by heating white phosphorus under high pressures (about 12,000 atmospheres). In appearance, properties, and structure, it resembles graphite, being black and flaky, a conductor of electricity, and has puckered sheets of linked atoms. Another allotrope is diphosphorus; it contains a phosphorus dimer as a structural unit and is highly reactive.[10]

White phosphorus has two forms, low-temperature β form and high-temperature α form. They both contain a phosphorus P4 tetrahedron as a structural unit, in which each atom is bound to the other three atoms by a single bond. This P4 tetrahedron is also present in liquid and gaseous phosphorus up to the temperature of 800 °C when it starts decomposing to P2 molecules.[11] White phosphorus is the least stable, the most reactive, more volatile, less dense, and more toxic than the other allotropes. The toxicity of white phosphorus led to its discontinued use in matches. White phosphorus is thermodynamically unstable at normal condition and will gradually change to red phosphorus. This transformation, which is accelerated by light and heat, makes white phosphorus almost always contain some red phosphorus and therefore appear yellow.

Red phosphorus may be formed by heating white phosphorus to 250 °C (482 °F) or by exposing white phosphorus to sunlight.[4] Phosphorus after this treatment exists as an amorphous network of atoms which reduces strain and gives greater stability; further heating results in the red phosphorus becoming crystalline. Therefore red phosphorus is not a certain allotrope, but rather an intermediate phase between the white and violet phosphorus, and most of its properties have a range of values.


What we can see from all of this then is that just like our stone should exhibit, in phosphorus three colors are encountered a black, a white and from the white, a red after exposure to sunlight and eventually after further heating the red becomes crystalline.

Furthermore just like Hudsons ormes, phosphorus in its white and red allotropes can exhibit forbidden spin flip quantum states while undergoing a state of phosphorescence. And behaves much like nitrogen as can be seen here:

Because phosphorus is just below nitrogen in the periodic table, the two elements share many of their bonding characteristics. For instance, phosphine, PH3, is an analogue of ammonia, NH3. Phosphorus, like nitrogen, is trivalent in this molecule.

The "trivalent" or simple 3-bond view is the pre-quantum mechanical Lewis structure, which although somewhat of a simplification from a quantum chemical point of view, illustrates some of the distinguishing chemistry of the element. In quantum chemical valence bond theory, the valence electrons are seen to be in mixtures of four s and p atomic orbitals, so-called hybrids. In this view, the three unpaired electrons in the three 3p orbitals combine with the two electrons in the 3s orbital to form three electron pairs of opposite spin, available for the formation of three bonds. The remaining hybrid orbital contains two paired non-bonding electrons, which show as a lone pair in the Lewis structure.

The phosphorus cation is very similar to the nitrogen cation. In the same way that nitrogen forms the tetravalent ammonium ion, phosphorus can form the tetravalent phosphonium ion, and form salts such as phosphonium iodide .

Phosphine (PH3) and arsine (AsH3) are structural analogues with ammonia (NH3) and form pyramidal structures with the phosphorus or arsenic atom in the centre bound to three hydrogen atoms and one lone electron pair.

horticult
02-25-2010, 04:57 PM
Nobody wrote about struvite "path" on a red webpage b4 years.

Rueb
02-25-2010, 11:42 PM
The stone truly perfected and multiplied is supposed to be actually violet.
It is normally considered that a deep ruby red is strong enough.

Sergio (an alchemist) alluded with his picture not only about his glowing white mercury at phosphor but also with his suggestion that we have to look at a certain elements allotropes.

Some phosphate salts when melted with metals will change it into a glass like substance.

Phosphate salts are water soluble.

Yes indeed my GW batch showed swimming struvite crystals on top without adding anything. I have to admit tho that I use DSS in my diet nearly everyday. = high in MgCl2

I dont think struvite is the only phosphate salt we are after. Other microcosmic salts like ammonium phosphate and sodium phosphate may work as well.

These fusile phosphate salts are what we are after in the GW path.

The funny thing is I am currently trying to crystalize these fusile phosphat salts of urine which are supposed to be red already. However mine are rather transparent white. However when I redissolve these crystals they tinge distilled water red first and yellow if dilluted higher.

The cyanide connection is interesting but I cant make anything out of it right now. The only thing is amygdalin that comes to mind.

Andro
02-25-2010, 11:55 PM
I am currently trying to crystalize these fusile phosphat salts of urine which are supposed to be red already. However mine are rather transparent white. However when I redissolve these crystals they tinge distilled water red first and yellow if dilluted higher.

Have you tried to re-crystallize from the red tinged water?

LeoRetilus
02-26-2010, 03:01 AM
So then I have a Pontic Water(urine) and a Catholic water(dew)

Pontic (http://www.answers.com/topic/pontic)(definition)-Pertaining to sediments or facies deposited in comparatively deep and motionless water, such as an association of black shales and dark limestones deposited in a stagnant basin. Also refering to the Black Sea, and is this case a pontic water most definetley arises out of GW upon putrefaction as a motionless dark body of water in which a sediment forms.

Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic)(definition) The word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal".[1][not in citation given] In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages. Here dew fits very well , firstly a holy water as it was refered to in the bible passages given on the cover of the Mutus Liber, and also as universal water, in that it forms out of the universal processes that exist high in the upper atmosphere out of circulation with the gases/vapors drawn forth from within the earth.


http://xs.to/image-8608_4B873D7A.jpg

solomon levi
02-26-2010, 08:01 PM
Not much time today.
Just thought to mention TSP as an archemical substitute. I've played with it a bit.
People have also used it in place of lye to precipitate m-states.

LeoRetilus
02-27-2010, 01:01 AM
Further inquiry into phosphorus from urine uncovered this document, that is essentially the same as The Potpurri Alchemica Method:

http://www.datatorch.com/Science/Scientists_Stories.aspx?id=54

"Hennig Brand’s experiments for the philosopher's stone with 5500 litres of Unine
Hennig Brand(t) (c. 1630 – c. 1710) was a merchant and alchemist in Hamburg, Germany who discovered phosphorus around 1669.Hennig Brand held a post as a junior army officer during the Thirty Years' War and his first wife's dowry was substantial, allowing him to pursue alchemy on leaving the army.

Like other alchemists of the time, Brand searched for the "philosopher's stone", a substance which purportedly transformed base metals (like lead) into gold. By the time his first wife died he had exhausted her money on this pursuit. He then married his second wife Margaretha, a wealthy widow whose financial resources allowed him to continue the search.

Like many before him, he was interested in water (H20) and tried combining it with various other materials, in hundreds of combinations. He had seen for instance a recipe in a book 400 Auserlensene Chemische Process by F. T. Kessler of Strasbourg for using alum, saltpetre (potassium nitrate) and concentrated urine to turn base metals into silver (a recipe which of course didn't work).

Around 1669 he heated residues from boiled-down urine on his furnace until the retort was red hot, where all of a sudden glowing fumes filled it and liquid dripped out, bursting into flames. He could catch the liquid in a jar and cover it, where it solidified and continued to give off a pale-green glow. What he collected was phosphorus, which he named from the Greek for "light-bearing" or "light-bearer."

Phosphorus must have been awe-inspiring to an alchemist. A product of man, and seeming to glow with a life force that didn't diminish over time (and didn't need re-exposure to light like previously discovered Bologna stone). Brand kept his discovery secret, again as alchemists of the time did, and worked with the phosphorus trying to use it to produce gold (unsuccessfully of course).

Boil urine to reduce it to a thick syrup.

Heat until a red oil distills up from it, and draw that off.

Allow the remainder to cool, where it consists of a black spongy upper part and a salty lower part.

Discard the salt, mix the red oil back into the black material.

Heat that mixture strongly for 16 hours.

First white fumes come off, then an oil, then phosphorus.
The phosphorus may be passed into cold water to solidify.

The chemical reaction Brand stumbled on was as follows. Urine contains phosphates PO43-, as sodium phosphate (ie. with Na+), and various carbon-based organics. Under strong heat the oxygens from the phosphate react with carbon to produce carbon monoxide CO, leaving elemental phosphorus P, which comes off as a gas. Phosphorus condenses to a liquid below about 280°C and then solidifies (to the white phosphorus allotrope) below about 44°C (depending on purity). This same essential reaction is still used today (but with mined phosphate ores, coke for carbon, and electric furnaces).

The phosphorus Brand's process yielded was far less than it could have been. The salt part he discarded contained most of the phosphate. He used about 5,500 litres of urine to produce just 120 grams of phosphorus. If he'd ground up the entire residue he could have got 10 times or 100 times more (1 litre of adult human urine contains about 1.4g phosphorus).


You know phosphorus is the main constituent and really a building block of DNA and RNA, so essentially anything with a butt- load of chromosomes would be a good canididate for extracting that certain organic allotrope of phosphorus we are after, fungi especially mosses and ferns contain large numbers of chromosomes such as that adder' tongue I mentioned in another thread that has over 1200.

But at anyrate at 1.4g per litre in GW, it seems like the best canididate, that part that I put in bold and underlined is my observation as well, he would have gotten alot more had he "beheaded" the black part and got rid of it and kept the salt and put the spirit back on it and continued to heat, first to come over is a white smoke(mercury), then the oil(sulfur) then the phosphorus(salt).

However let us not forget the holy, astral essence that must go in as well, I would recommend it be added to the GW when first collected and allowed to putrefy together in moonlight.

LeoRetilus
02-27-2010, 06:58 AM
From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_phosphorus


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/PhosphorusAllotropes.svg/400px-PhosphorusAllotropes.svg.png

White phosphorus is a transparent waxy solid that quickly becomes yellow when exposed to light. For this reason it is also called yellow phosphorus. It glows greenish in the dark (when exposed to oxygen)
Red phosphorus may be formed by heating white phosphorus to 250 °C (482°F) or by exposing white phosphorus to sunlight. Red phosphorus exists as an amorphous network. Upon further heating, the amorphous red phosphorus crystallizes. Red phosphorus does not ignite in air at temperatures below 240 °C, whereas white phosphorus ignites at about 30 °C. Red Phosphorus can be converted to White phosphorus upon heating to 260 C, as can be seen when one strikes a match.
Hittorf's violet phosphorus
Monoclinic phosphorus, or violet phosphorus, is also known as Hittorf's Metallic Phosphorus.[4][5] In 1865 Hittorf heated red phosphorus in a sealed tube at 530 °C. The upper part of the tube was kept at 444 °C. Brilliant opaque monoclinic, or rhombohedral, crystals sublime. Violet phosphorus can also be prepared by dissolving white phosphorus in molten lead in a sealed tube at 500 °C for 18 hours. Upon slow cooling, Hittorf's allotrope crystallises out. The crystals can be revealed by dissolving the lead in dilute nitric acid followed by boiling in concentrated hydrochloric acid.[6]In 1865 Johann Wilhelm Hittorf discovered that when phosphorus was recrystallized from molten lead, a red/purple form is obtained. This purple form is sometimes known as Hittorf's phosphorus. In addition, a fibrous form exists with similar phosphorus cages. Below is shown a chain of phosphorus atoms which exhibits both the purple and fibrous forms.

So the allotrope of violet phosphorus is what we are after, but instead of using molten lead, how about antimony or purple sulfur of gold, or purple sublimate of gold obtained from melting with either antimony or lead via mouth blow pipe or bellows as illustrated here :
http://www.hermetics.org/solis/images/solis12.JPG

and indicated here:
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images/key1.gif

and as described here for instance : Metal Sublimates (http://books.google.com/books?id=kQHOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA219&lpg=RA1-PA219&dq=phosphorus+dissolves+gold&source=bl&ots=Odnc7mnnmn&sig=1e967FM3eQR7aeP7Qu2qak7zbAU&hl=en&ei=ZXOIS9SPKIKkswObsJCGAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=phosphorus%20dissolves%20gold&f=false)

..... have produced it only from a ball of gold and lead, as he makes no mention of getting it from pure gold. In his book is a coloured representation of a very beautiful sublimate obtained from gold with a little lead ; and it appears that he regards the lead as necessary for the operation, attributing the colours to oxide of gold, formed and volatilised by the action on the gold of the lead oxide produced. But I find that a very fine gold sublimate can be obtained in two or three minutes by strongly heating a little ball of perfectly pure gold on a charcoal-slip on the ledge.* The mouth-blowpipe suffices, but it is got more quickly, and better, by using a stand-blowpipe and hand-blower. After two minutes' blowing the appearance on the plate was as follows :—Nearest the charcoal, where the heat on the plate had been greatest, was a small arch of pale yellow colour—just a thin film of gilding over the aluminium. Beyond this was a strip, J to J inch wide, of a beautiful violet or purplish violet colour; and dotted all over the sublimate were little specks and splashes of gold carried over mechanically. By heating for a much longer time, with frequent stopping to let the plate cool, very fine sublimates may be produced. The sublimate with lead, described by Ross, seems to me to be simply that of metallic gold placed over that of lead oxide. It takes much longer to produce, and does not seem to be appreciably formed till all the lead is driven off. The purplish violet obtained is clearly the same as the deposit on white paper held under a fine gold wire through which a powerful electric discharge passes; and it is certainly interesting to be able to obtain the same appearance by means of the blowpipe.

Of course there are many other ways to obtain the purple sulfur of gold, some even by chemical means, as long as it is pur-pur, -purple.

Other interesting and pertinent excerpts from that article(in context to this thread and phosphorus):

..... should like to allude, although it does not form any part of the subject of these notes. He found that if a bead of phosphoric acid is made on platinum wire (by taking up and gradually heating successive small fragments of pure glacial acid) it will easily, in O.F., dissolve gold-leaf. If then held a little while about an inch from the tip of the flame, it will on cooling take a beautiful bluish violet tint. If very little gold is dissolved, a faint tinge, or perhaps streaks only, of a fine pink will be obtained. I find that by varying the quantity of gold dissolved various shades of pink, ruby, violet, purple, green-blue, and finally a splendid blue, may be produced. On heating again the colour rapidly disappears, the bead being yellow hot, and taking the colours again on cooling. This disappearance and re-appearance may be repeated any number of times, only that the colour is seldom twice running the same. A bead will cool once a deep blue, and perhaps next time a pink or violet. It succeeds best in a good large bead, so that phosphoric acid should be added from time to time to replace what is volatilised. If the hot pale yellow bead is cooled suddenly no colour appears ; but it can then be produced by very gently heating (so that the bead is just softened) a good way from the tip of a very small Same. Ross believes the colour to be caused by an oxide of gold, but it seems as if it were produced in the same manner as the colours of the rose-red and ruby glass made on the large scale by means of gold, and which are considered to depend upon a separation in the glass of finely-divided metallic gold. The metal is doubtless dissolved to a phosphate which has a pale yellow colour in the bead ; but on cooling slowly, or gently annealing, the glass cannot retain the gold in solution, and so it separates out more or less, giving a colour according to the quantity liberated.

I find that " microcosmic salt " dissolves gold-leaf as rapidly and as easily as does phosphoric acid, giving the same yellow colour hot, and taking even more beautiful colours in cooling, though it is more capricious than phosphoric acid, and frequently cools quite colourless, even when a large quantity of gold is dissolved. When this takes place with a large bead any shade of the colours may be produced by very gently heating the bead as above—from the faintest pink at the beginning to a deep blue at the end. At one stage a magnificent ruby is got, at another the same colour as the gold sublimate on aluminium, and at another bluish green. All the beads appear perfectly transparent.

I do not find this easy solubility of gold in phosphoric acid or in sodium phosphate mentioned anywhere but in Ross's book, and he appears only to have observed it with the acid.

I find gold-leaf is also dissolved in borax, though not so easily as above. When a good deal is dissolved the pead has the same yellow colour hot, and cools to a very faint green-blue tinge. None of tbe above colours can be jot either during cooling or by annealing; indeed if a ittle borax is added to a bead of " microcosmic salt" which has a large quantity of gold in it, and which is capable of giving the deepest colours, this property is at once destroyed, the bead being then just like a borax bead, and no colour being obtainable. Gold-leaf is of course best for these experiments, because it dissolves most rapidly; but even from a little ball of gold, held in the centre of the loop and kept clear of the wire, sufficient gold is taken into solution in a few minutes to give the deep blue.

These little experiments are so pretty and interesting that I hope I need not apologise for taking space to allude to them for the benefit of those to whom they are unknown.

I hope this little thread has been informative and I feel much if not all has been revealed here.

LeoRetilus
02-27-2010, 08:10 AM
So I was thinking since phosphorus can be found in the same column with nitrogen on the periodic table of elements, then perhaps its just a heavier form of nitrogen, converted from a gas to a temperature stable solid when its gaseous form nitrogen is fixed into the dna of living organisims, and following that line of logic then a heavier forms are encountered on down in the same column: As(arsenic) ,Sb(antimony), Bi(bismuth) and finally.............. element 115 (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm)

Ghislain
06-07-2010, 11:25 AM
Hi Leo

I don’t know if I really understood the process described in post 87 but I tried
an experiment all the same.

I assumed that the electrolysis was not the important part of the experiment
and that it was just a result of the heated KOCN.

So I took some pure Urea ((NH2)2CO 10g see pic1/2) and heated it with some
Potassium Carbonate (K2CO 10g see pic3), which I made earlier (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1205)...
not so pure :(

This did indeed form a solution (http://genius.toucansurf.com/KOCN/KOCN Solution.wmv ) and I floated some gold leaf on it, however as it
cools it solidifies so heat had to be continually applied to keep it in solution. It
did not appear to have any effect on the gold leaf as you can see in the link
which was after about 20 mins...Did I misunderstand the process?

I overheated the solution after about 30mins of nothing happening...it fumed a bit then solidified (see pic4)
Some gold flakes can still be seen.

when I cleaned out the crucible there was some more gold stuck to the sides with the salt. (see pic5)


On examination of the cathode product NH, revealed its presence by its action on the olfactories.
What is NH? Does he mean NH3 Ammonia because when I heated my mixture
it did kick off a lot of, what smelt like, Ammonia. Does he mean NH2 Amines and
do they have a smell, or is there such a thing as just NH?

Thanks

Ghislain

Rueb
06-07-2010, 04:56 PM
Quote:

However let us not forget the holy, astral essence that must go in as well, I would recommend it be added to the GW when first collected and allowed to putrefy together in moonlight.

LeoRetilus
06-07-2010, 08:35 PM
Hi Leo

I don’t know if I really understood the process described in post 87 but I tried
an experiment all the same.

I assumed that the electrolysis was not the important part of the experiment
and that it was just a result of the heated KOCN.

So I took some pure Urea ((NH2)2CO 10g see pic1/2) and heated it with some
Potassium Carbonate (K2CO 10g see pic3), which I made earlier (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1205)...
not so pure :(

This did indeed form a solution (http://genius.toucansurf.com/KOCN/KOCN Solution.wmv ) and I floated some gold leaf on it, however as it
cools it solidifies so heat had to be continually applied to keep it in solution. It
did not appear to have any effect on the gold leaf as you can see in the link
which was after about 20 mins...Did I misunderstand the process?

I overheated the solution after about 30mins of nothing happening...it fumed a bit then solidified (see pic4)
Some gold flakes can still be seen.

when I cleaned out the crucible there was some more gold stuck to the sides with the salt. (see pic5)


What is NH? Does he mean NH3 Ammonia because when I heated my mixture
it did kick off a lot of, what smelt like, Ammonia. Does he mean NH2 Amines and
do they have a smell, or is there such a thing as just NH?

Thanks

Ghislain

Ghislain while amount of time current was applied was important, allowing the temperature of the solution to get relatively hot was the single most critical factor. The solution that was not heated did not dissolve the gold, and my point with that post was that potassium cyanate does not dissolve gold as there is no free cyanide present as it is oxidised in the molecule, so the application of electric current(which serves to further oxidise the cyanide, not free it) coupled with the time of heating was attracting something that did dissolve gold....philosophic mercury?

So the first step was to create potassium cyanate by heating urea with potassium carbonate at 400C, so my other point was to resolve your potassium carbonate from the calcination and extraction of green oak, the heating of the two dry components produced a liquid,- potassium cyanate.

Electric current was then applied to the solution until it got hot, note the first part of the solution he withdrew early on did not get hot and it did not dissolve the gold, the rest of the solution that he continued to apply electric current to became very hot at which point he was about to throw it out as a failed experiment but placed gold leaf in a portion therein, that portion of the solution did dissolve the gold leaf in moments. Next he did an experiment to prove to himself that it was indeed the differences in temperature and not in fact the current that allowed the gold to be dissolved, i.e. " I set to work and made two experiments under precisely the same conditions, with the exception that one was kept cold by immersion of the containing vessel in a freezing mixture, the other one was allowed to become warm as before. After passing through both the same number of amp-hours of electricity I floated gold leaf on both solutions. On 30 minutes' standing the one that was allowed to become hot dissolved gold leaf completely; the one which was kept cold showed no signs of dissolution even after three days' standing." But later he did a third experiment ....."What was the cause of the difference between the electrolyzed hot and cold solutions? Was it the formation of urea? A solution of potassium cyanate containing a small portion of urea I at once electrolyzed, adding a small amount of caustic soda to increase the conductivity; by this means the solution kept at about room temperature. On completion of electrolysis gold leaf was floated upon the surface of this solution and allowed to stand to await results. In about 15 minutes the gold leaf underwent complete dissolution." So on the third experiment while it did not reach as high as a temperature because he added sodium hydroxide to increase the conductivity of the solution, it still dissolved the gold, so the conclusion was that the reason that in the first set of experiments in which the solution that was allowed to get very hot did dissolve the gold is that conductivity was increasing as the solution approached higher temperatures, if you have ever dissolved gold in aqua regia you would note that there is very little reaction, (which is exothermic) and dissolving going on until the A.R. heats up, which increases it oxidation potential as the solution heats thus increasing conductivity. But unlike A.R. this reaction is due to the high alkalinity and its attraction of something out of the air cause none of those chemicals combined in any way should dissolve gold in a chemical way.

Ghislain
06-07-2010, 10:12 PM
Leo

If I had created KOCN should it have stayed in solution when cool?
Mine didn't.

Are you saying it needs the KOCN first, add a little NaOH then
get it hot using electrodes?

Is the current through the electrode important or does it just have to be high
enough to heat the solution? How long should it be heated.

There was no mention of quantities so equal amounts by weight were used,
should it be equal by mols?

The crucible used was s/steel, probably not very good. What would you suggest?

How important is the green oak? I have no idea what went in to my potash
its a bitsa...from a wood burner.

I need better equipment but have no room :(
Any gold donations welcome ;) address on request :D kidding of course. I use a PO Box

Hope that wasn't too many questions

Feel free to add anything I may have missed

Thanks

Ghislain

Edit: how important was the platinum electrodes...:eek:

LeoRetilus
06-08-2010, 12:56 AM
When you heated your urea with potassium carbonate it should have resulted in a liquified solution that should have stayed liquid upon cooling, if yours didn't you didn't heat enough.

Stainless should be fine for the firing but I'd recommend a fire proof clay crucible.

From an alchemical point of view green oak wood would be the best subject to extract potassium carbonate IMO, but for the experiment I don't see why you shouldn't be dealing with pure chemicals just to get the experiment down pat.

Yes, equal quantites of each for the formulation of the potassium cyanate

The NaOH was used by the experimenter in the last experiment to confirm his thoughts that the dissolution of gold hinged on the high conductivity, i.e. a higher mineral content draws more current in sitiu and results in a chemically and electronically "hotter" solution. My parallels with aqua regia dissolution of gold was to say that if you heat your aqua regia before you drop your gold in it will dissolve faster otherwise the solution will heat up on its own as it dissolves the gold and with every increase in temperature an increase in conductivity results proportionately, resulting in a cascading runaway effect if you aren't paying attention that can get very messy. So in retrospect he dropped the sodium hydroxide in to see how conductivity influenced the reaction, he found he could increase the conduvtivity in lieu of heating and still be able to dissolve the gold ,although he still appiled the current as in all previous experiments this he used as his control, the variables he altered were temperature and conductivity.

Platinum electrodes were used because inferior metals would be attacked before the gold, it works on the galvanic series of metals and orp of each metal, i.e copper would be attacked and completely dissolved before the soultion would go after the gold and since platinum is higher on the galvanic series than gold , the gold would go before the platinum, but if I was you I'd hope you are using carbon/graphite or even stainless steel or titanium electrodes . Here is a link to galvanic series tables,( http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Definitions/galvanic-series.htm ) and here is a short list of the most noble or least susceptable to corrosion/attack at top to most susceptable at bottom.

Platinum

Gold

Graphite

Titanium

Silver

Chlorimet 3

Hastelloy C

18-8 Mo stainless steel (passive)

18-8 stainless steel (passive)

Chromium steel >11 % Cr (passive)

Inconel (passive)

Nickel (passive)

Silver solder

Monel

Bronzes

Copper

Brasses

Chlorimet 2

Hastelloy B

Inconel (active)

Nickel (active)

Tin

Lead

Lead-tin solders

18-8 Mo stainless steel (active)

18-8 stainless steel (active)

Ni-resist

Chromium steel >11 % Cr (active)

Cast iron

Steel or iron

2024 aluminum

Cadmium

Commercially pure aluminium

Zinc

Magnesium and its alloys


Here's another from wikepedia , this is in seawater
Graphite
Palladium
Platinum
Gold
Silver
Titanium
Stainless steel 316 (passive)
Stainless Steel 304 (passive)
Silicon bronze
Stainless Steel 316 (active)
Monel 400
Phosphor bronze
Admiralty brass
Cupronickel
Molybdenum
Red brass
Brass plating
Yellow brass
Naval brass 464
Uranium 8% Mo
Niobium 1% Zr
Tungsten
Stainless Steel 304 (active)
Tantalum
Chromium plating
Nickel (passive)
Copper
Nickel (active)
Cast iron
Steel
Lead
Tin
Indium
Aluminum
Uranium (pure)
Cadmium
Beryllium
Zinc plating (see galvanization)
Magnesium



But please note in solutions that would usually dissolve gold such as aqua regia and cyanide, titanium and graphite are not attacked at all. With all that said carbon/graphite is your cheapest/best option, i.e. I use the same carbon welding rods that I use for my Tesla spark gap/radiant energy experiments. Hope that helps

solomon levi
07-05-2010, 10:31 PM
quote Leo:
"The 42 books of Thoth, of which only fragments remain, contain formulae for restoring the Vital Force and triggering a metamorphic process within the cells of the physical body."


Some philosophers mention 42 days of cooking, generally for the venus.

quote Solomon:
"That three times three reference, with one of the threes being mercury,
sulfur and salt, also reminded me of the 12 divisions of water; you could
get nine divisions if you divided it like - mercury of mercury, mercury of sulfur,
mercury of salt, sulfur of sulfur, ..... so 1 part of those 9 will be the heaviest
(most deuterium)."

There are 9 Egyptian Gods/Neter...
Neter, nitre - a vertical/male line - same symbol/meaning as arsenic - "male, strong, virile"...
because this is that one seed that impregnates all life. So be careful with names...
Mars, ares, aries... same root as arsenic -
they all mean male, strong, virile. So the philosophers mention many names,
but there is one "only begotten son" that manifests the infinite variety of
creatures through various types/purities of earths/female/horizontal line.


Quote Leo:
"The plant is an important nectar source for many insects and is also used as a larval food plant by many species of Lepidoptera..."

Lepidoptera is a moth. The name means "scales, wings". Lepid is also similar
to lapid - stone. see Lepidolite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidolite

Not to say that there is nothing to the Birdsfoot, but I see a clue in here as well.
The way the Lepidoptera moth is attracted to the Birdsfoot is similar to the
magnetic attraction between Lithium and nitrogen. A study of that could be fruitful. ;)


Quote Alfr:
"In this manuscript Zweyte Silentium Dei it is discussed in detail, irradiation and concentration of the solar lunar and sidereal rays with mirrors, lenses and telescopes
(perhaps with special and specific mirrors etc.? specially constructed for this purpose)..."

Again, not saying this isn't a path. But be aware that some authors also speak of
this mirror in reference to Venus and our female. When the unicorn
is tamed by the mirror, it looks into the mirror and sees itself, it's twin, to
which it has a great affinity/love/aimant, because it is the only unicorn.
So we are back to the question, "what is the mirror/magnet for this aerial nitrous principle?".
But magnifying/concentrating the luminaries is also an interesting path.

“The ether is set in-motion by the rays of the sun whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun rays by means of mirrors and lenses can generate certain waves in the ether and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis essenzialis (essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of disease! ”

Our nitre is inwardly fire and outwardly cold - both nitre and ammonium nitrate
are outwardly cold (used as refrigerants) and inwardly fire (used as
explosives). "Who knows how to unite the energy of elemental fire (earth)
with that of the essence of fire (heaven)..." What thing on earth, what "magnet"
will attract this celestial fire/nitre/Chalybs? The philosophers tell us to look
at the metal ores, for metals are dead. Which metal ore especially has an
innate fire, so that the unicorn will see itself in it?

That's my focus/interpretation. It's not the only one.
I still see multiple paths to utilize this one thing.
Why wouldn't earthly nitre be the magnet/body for celestial nitre?
As above, so below.


Quote Leo:
"You know when one reads through all these old books one can have a certain subject in mind and read what is written through the lens of the matter that we believe is being spoken about and the text may seem to fit, then we may re-read the text with a different subject in mind and as well, the text may seem to fit also."

:) Yes, very much.


Quote Leo:
"This leads to overwhelming evidence that the basis for life is the dew, because out of all the waters on earth dew contains the highest concentrations of formaldehydes."

In the PON mineral lessons, there is one that uses aldehydes to extract
tinctures from the seven metals, including gold.


Quote Leo:
"Now whats interesting is that one of the potential products of heating urea (which is also contained in GW) with potassium carbonate (which can be derived from calcined plant material and seems to me is indicated for us to use by the symbolism of the plant) yields a compound known as potassium cyanate (KOCN), wow another cyanide"

And the plant in Cabala Mineralis has blue flowers = cyan.


Quote Leo:
"In further investigation as to whether or not this compound is :
1) Toxic..."

From wiki:
"Many cyanide-containing compounds are highly toxic, but some are not. Nitriles (which do not release cyanide ions) and hexacyanoferrates (ferrocyanide and ferricyanide, where the cyanide is already tightly bound to an iron ion) have low toxicities, while most other cyanides are deadly poisonous. The most dangerous cyanides are hydrogen cyanide (HCN) and salts derived from it, such as potassium cyanide (KCN) and sodium cyanide (NaCN), among others."

Interesting the hex, and bound to iron.


Phosphine makes me think of Proserpine.


sol

LeoRetilus
07-07-2010, 05:20 PM
The Water Stone of the Wise said to seek the grass which is trifoil, I later found that the plant trifoleum reopens is of greater virtue than the birdsfoot trifoil when I read that it was the main humic constituient of shilajit. The other day I watched a documentary on the masons and their history and was happy to hear that they held this plant in high esteem as well, it was depicted in some of their symbolism. So here we find a cross referencing between two ancient sources...where we find consistency throughout time we also find truth....

solomon levi
12-13-2012, 07:25 AM
The stone truly perfected and multiplied is supposed to be actually violet.
It is normally considered that a deep ruby red is strong enough.

Sergio (an alchemist) alluded with his picture not only about his glowing white mercury at phosphor but also with his suggestion that we have to look at a certain elements allotropes.

Some phosphate salts when melted with metals will change it into a glass like substance.

Phosphate salts are water soluble.

Yes indeed my GW batch showed swimming struvite crystals on top without adding anything. I have to admit tho that I use DSS in my diet nearly everyday. = high in MgCl2

I dont think struvite is the only phosphate salt we are after. Other microcosmic salts like ammonium phosphate and sodium phosphate may work as well.

These fusile phosphate salts are what we are after in the GW path.

The funny thing is I am currently trying to crystalize these fusile phosphat salts of urine which are supposed to be red already. However mine are rather transparent white. However when I redissolve these crystals they tinge distilled water red first and yellow if dilluted higher.

The cyanide connection is interesting but I cant make anything out of it right now. The only thing is amygdalin that comes to mind.

This was the last project I was working on back in March of this year before I moved and left my lab. Although I posted in this
thread, it was back in early 2010 before i was seriously considering urine or understanding it, though I did mention in this thread
the use of TSP in post 95:

"Not much time today.
Just thought to mention TSP as an archemical substitute. I've played with it a bit.
People have also used it in place of lye to precipitate m-states."

I actually did follow up on this forgotten thread. I contemplated a way to produce more fusile salts as Rueb mentions,
and to shorten the time. One can take fresh urine and instantly putrefy it by adding alkali as i had discovered while
working on the urine alkahest gw stone thread. I too was wanting to focus on the phosphates, the microcosmic salt
and struvite as the fusibles. So what i did was add some TSP and some liquid ammonia (liquid alkali) to a demijohn
of urine which i had saved in various containers and combined into this. Considering how little phosphate Brandt
produced from his experiment (as reported by Leo in post 96), I thought my results impressive:

http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/12/78/17/61/pict0917.jpg


http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/12/78/17/61/pict0916.jpg


Unfortunately, I moved and never got to extract the salts and test them.
TSP dissolved in water produces an alkaline solution, and the ammonia is alkaline and
causes a precipitate when added to urine. Try to get as much of your TSP to dissolve
in fresh urine, as it does not dissolve so well in alkaline/putrefied.

Then my idea was to separate the spirit from the phlegm and cohobate it over the salts
until they volatilse.
This will be much quicker and much more product than the BOA method.
Since urine is alive/philosophical, it should impress the commercial salts and ammonia. These salts
can also be left under the moon before adding to the urine and after isolating them from
the spirit and phlegm before cohobation, just to boost them as much as possible.

Freezing the urine is possibly another option to consider.

I did a lot of study on this and one should be able to combine some volatilised salts with some leaf gold
and a little spirit and grind them and digest. This will lead to a potabile gold and/or the stone, depending
on your work. You can try adding silver instead if you like.
If anyone gets this far, let me know if you like and we can share notes.
I imagine the fusible salt/volatile alkali alone will be a great medicine.

Anyone tried this?

lwowl
12-13-2012, 04:48 PM
Solomon,

I'm not sure what your goal is with the lab work you posted. I've done extensive experimenting on the path of the alkahest of urine. You can produce a decent medicine that has a thalmaturgic effect on the circulation. I have found the secret of phosphorus that is of interest to alchemists is what one can do in the neutron pool of that nitrogen family member. Just my observations of the matter at hand.

I just finished moving and expanding my lab. Can't wait to resume operations!

lwowl

solomon levi
12-13-2012, 05:06 PM
Solomon,

I'm not sure what your goal is with the lab work you posted. I've done extensive experimenting on the path of the alkahest of urine. You can produce a decent medicine that has a thalmaturgic effect on the circulation. I have found the secret of phosphorus that is of interest to alchemists is what one can do in the neutron pool of that nitrogen family member. Just my observations of the matter at hand.

I just finished moving and expanding my lab. Can't wait to resume operations!

lwowl

Hi lwowl!
The goal is as I stated - potabile gold or the stone - medicine or transmutation.
Or do you mean my goal in sharing it? The answer would be to assist others.

I can't wait to resume this work as well. :)

alfr
12-17-2012, 10:31 PM
Hi solomon your goals make you absolutely honor compliments
my best regards alfr