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solomon levi
02-17-2010, 08:11 PM
I made a very cheap ormus trap based on this simple device:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_traps.html

But I didn't use a donut magnet but rather 4 rectangular magnets about 1 by 2 inches
and 1/4 in thick. I placed them around the pipe in a square fashion and their
attraction for eachother held them in place.

I got some milky water very quickly by running the hose through it. It was a bit sweet too.

I was always discouraged about the complexity of most traps but this one is very simple,
and cost me 10 dollars (the magnets were $8; a foot of pvc pipe, the "T" and a foot of cord)
and about 5 minutes to make!
I didn't use clamps and hoses - just pipe that fit snugly together - no glue or anything, and
the pipe fits snugly inside a water bottle or 2-liter pop bottle which I use for recipient.


I'll post pics soon.

LeoRetilus
02-17-2010, 09:36 PM
Hi Sol this is my setup, I built this a few years back. That's great to hear you got milky water with such a cheap and fast setup, even though mine seems more complicated, yours is probably superior due to the thinner walls and closer proximity of the magnets to the good water outflow, my setup utilizes the vortex phenomenon, which was hard to cut a slot at an angle in the pipe and design it where all the water would be forced through that slot so it could enter at extreme velocities and start rotating. These are true levitation traps, did you know Jim started this whole thing?

http://xs.to/image-30FF_4B7C5AE7.jpg

http://xs.to/image-B864_4B7C5AE7.jpg

solomon levi
02-17-2010, 10:07 PM
It's pretty genius - to utilise the magneto-phobic nature of superconductors to trap
or concentrate them.


Our well water is really good too. Maybe that makes a diff in how much you
can concentrate and how quickly.

LeoRetilus
02-17-2010, 11:06 PM
Yea Jim was a genius to invent that ozone generator in the first place then after he got "nuked" he got even smarter , lol, he was like Chevy Chase in Modern Problems.

Well water or spring water is the best to use, since its underground it will contain more of the fat. Unite that which is above with that which is below. The fat water with the dew.

solomon levi
02-19-2010, 11:44 PM
Here's some pics:

My simple trap:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s22.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=290&u=12781761)

I think it works best at an angle like this - to use gravity to your advantage
have the magnetic pipe up, but tilt the entire device down towards the
recipient as well.

Another pic, different day:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s23.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=291&u=12781761)

The collected cloudy water:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s24.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=292&u=12781761)

In a different glass so you can see better - notice the my fingers through
the water and through the glass alone:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s25.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=293&u=12781761)

2nd day's collection:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s26.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=294&u=12781761)

Both of these are just after 10-15 minutes. I haven't tried running it
all night or anything.

If you use this design, don't forget there's a foot long piece of poly chord/rope
in the recipient tube, folded in half and tightly stuffed in there.

gedfire
04-16-2012, 04:42 AM
Hi Sol this is my setup, I built this a few years back. That's great to hear you got milky water with such a cheap and fast setup, even though mine seems more complicated, yours is probably superior due to the thinner walls and closer proximity of the magnets to the good water outflow, my setup utilizes the vortex phenomenon, which was hard to cut a slot at an angle in the pipe and design it where all the water would be forced through that slot so it could enter at extreme velocities and start rotating. These are true levitation traps, did you know Jim started this whole thing?

http://xs.to/image-30FF_4B7C5AE7.jpg

http://xs.to/image-B864_4B7C5AE7.jpg

I am not seeing your pictures, I wonder what is wrong? Like your explanation of Solomon levi simple trap.is it possible then that his might be a better design.he got milky water so quickly,something which I have seen from only one person using a vortex tube with dozens of magnets.

best regards,
Ged

gedfire
04-16-2012, 04:51 AM
Here's some pics:

My simple trap:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s22.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=290&u=12781761)

I think it works best at an angle like this - to use gravity to your advantage
have the magnetic pipe up, but tilt the entire device down towards the
recipient as well.

Another pic, different day:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s23.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=291&u=12781761)

The collected cloudy water:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s24.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=292&u=12781761)

In a different glass so you can see better - notice the my fingers through
the water and through the glass alone:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s25.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=293&u=12781761)

2nd day's collection:
http://i68.servimg.com/u/f68/12/78/17/61/th/rick_s26.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=294&u=12781761)

Both of these are just after 10-15 minutes. I haven't tried running it
all night or anything.

If you use this design, don't forget there's a foot long piece of poly chord/rope
in the recipient tube, folded in half and tightly stuffed in there.

Thanks for your wonderful posts.I was going to purchase the expensive one, but that simple device will suit me.I also see you are in an auriferous area.maybe why you had so much cloudiness.

Thanks Man,

ged

solomon levi
04-20-2012, 02:51 PM
;) you're welcome.

gedfire
04-24-2012, 05:12 AM
Dear Solomon Levi,

Sorry i forgot to ask.What kind of magnets were you using, neodymium cermic or rare earth?

Best regards,

Ged


I made a very cheap ormus trap based on this simple device:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_traps.html

But I didn't use a donut magnet but rather 4 rectangular magnets about 1 by 2 inches
and 1/4 in thick. I placed them around the pipe in a square fashion and their
attraction for eachother held them in place.

I got some milky water very quickly by running the hose through it. It was a bit sweet too.

I was always discouraged about the complexity of most traps but this one is very simple,
and cost me 10 dollars (the magnets were $8; a foot of pvc pipe, the "T" and a foot of cord)
and about 5 minutes to make!
I didn't use clamps and hoses - just pipe that fit snugly together - no glue or anything, and
the pipe fits snugly inside a water bottle or 2-liter pop bottle which I use for recipient.


I'll post pics soon.

solomon levi
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
They were ceramic. Specifically these:
http://www.truevalue.com/product/2-Piece-Ceramic-Block-Magnets/10537.uts?keyword=magnets

Four of them fit perfectly around the pipe I used and held themselves in place.

gedfire
05-07-2012, 04:00 AM
They were ceramic. Specifically these:
http://www.truevalue.com/product/2-Piece-Ceramic-Block-Magnets/10537.uts?keyword=magnets

Four of them fit perfectly around the pipe I used and held themselves in place.

I checked out the magnets.
Thanks again my friend.

Regards,

Ged

gedfire
01-07-2013, 09:26 PM
Hi All,

Anyone else with Trap Water construction and experiences?

Cyrano
12-03-2017, 10:44 PM
Has anyone ever noticed the fact that the waste water of the Ormus Traps, if collected and recirculated in the same trap,in a closed loop,for some times,its completely transformed, exhibiting all the characteristics of the 'good' Ormus water extracted, without presenting any waste?.

ghetto alchemist
12-04-2017, 01:28 AM
how long is "some time"?
And what exactly is the source water?

I remember a reference a few years ago from a plumber who said that somehow water that is constantly recirculating in a closed system eventually becomes heavy water.
Heavy water has a characteristic sweet taste, and ormus trap water is said to also have the same. I'm not sure I'd say that trap water concentrate is simply heavy water, but maybe there is another mechanism that links the two. Eg maybe they both hold a strong spin charge.

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 05:00 AM
how long is "some time"?
And what exactly is the source water?

I remember a reference a few years ago from a plumber who said that somehow water that is constantly recirculating in a closed system eventually becomes heavy water.
Heavy water has a characteristic sweet taste, and ormus trap water is said to also have the same. I'm not sure I'd say that trap water concentrate is simply heavy water, but maybe there is another mechanism that links the two. Eg maybe they both hold a strong spin charge.

It depends on the quantity of dissolved salts in the water. The more there are, faster the effect. The times, depends also from the water pressure and the intensity of the magnetic fields.

Dragon's Tail
12-04-2017, 05:17 AM
how long is "some time"?
And what exactly is the source water?

I remember a reference a few years ago from a plumber who said that somehow water that is constantly recirculating in a closed system eventually becomes heavy water.
Heavy water has a characteristic sweet taste, and ormus trap water is said to also have the same. I'm not sure I'd say that trap water concentrate is simply heavy water, but maybe there is another mechanism that links the two. Eg maybe they both hold a strong spin charge.

I wonder if this plummer was confusing "heavy water" with "hard water." I've seen contractors make that mistake a lot. IE sediment vs. excess neutrons. On the other hand, that might be something interesting to look for. Has anyone measured the freezing point of this "special water?"

alfr
12-04-2017, 06:15 AM
hi cyrano and every body

about it on ormus is possible interesting perhaps development of eso in alchemy possible connections with SPIRITUS MUNDI etc
IN THE VERY DISCOUNTED WEB OF RHOEDEN C'ERA (these days then immediately removed) A REGARD TO THIS ARTICLE THAT CAN PROVIDE INTERESTING SPEARS the article is in Spanish sorry but in this article there are also links to the respective english article
websites.
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

my best regard alfr
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,italian version original of post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

salve cyrano e a tutti

a riguardo su ormus e possibile interessante forse sviluppo di eso in alchimia connesioni possibili con SPIRITUS MUNDI etc
NEL MOLTO DISCUSSO WEB DI RHOEDEN C'ERA (in questi giorni poi subito tolto) UN RIGUARDO QUESTO ARTICOLO CHE PUO FORNIRE SPUNTI INTERESSANTI scusate purtroppo l'articolo è in spagnolo ma da anche i collegamenti di rispettivi siti english circa questo interessante articolo : LINK

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

my best regard alfr
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here i put and quote testual the article spanish sorry

https://rhoend.com/2017/11/28/el-aceite-del-aire-y-la-piedra-filosofal/

airtrap01

Hace muchos años atrás, un muy buen amigo de México, me escribió para contarme de sus trabajos en el campo de ORMUS. Enseguida me interesé, y me ofreció la descripción con fotos de cómo fabricarme un artilugio para atraer un aceite del aire usando agua vulgar.

Este ingenio le permitió obtener un aceite, color dorado, cuya fragancia era inenarrable. La técnica completa la obtuvo de esta web conocida como subtleenergies.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

Un consejo: eviten pensar en el ORMUS tradicional, lo que están allí obteniendo es una forma de Espiritu Universal arrancado del aire o del agua misma.

El sistema para arrancarlo del aire no es secreto ni mucho menos. Ponen esta fotografía de arriba que enseña el artilugio: un comprensor. El sistema es muy semejante al que usan para atrapar con imanes del agua común su aceite.

airtrap02

No voy a profundizar mucho en la técnica, porque es de mal gusto a esta altura. Pero cualquiera que investigue un poco sacara el artefacto.

Puedo decir, no obstante, que funciona. Que se obtiene un aceite. Que el agua antes del aceite es color lechosa, y que con éter se logra separar el aceite del agua y poder disponer del mismo. También puedo decir que, según las experiencias de mi gran amigo (Roberto), el aceite no funde el oro. Ergo: no es SM puro. Algo falta.

Pero para los creadores de aquella web se puede lograr la Piedra filosofal. Dejo la traducción del final:

Aqua regia no es la única forma de disolver el oro. Los alquimistas usaron ‘Mercurio’. Este es un tipo de término técnico confuso. Como disolvente, se trata realmente de la fijación del espíritu universal en el aire (también llamado Mercurio Universal, es decir, VIDA) sobre la materia de cualquiera de los tres reinos. Es una fusión de la energía y la materia de la Vida. La materia tangible que generalmente es una sal, después de que el espíritu de la vida ha sido fijado en ella, tiene sus propiedades químicas y físicas seriamente cambiadas. Un sublimado de esta unión adquiere una nueva propiedad ya que ahora puede disolver el oro, sin HCl / HNO3. No es una fantasía. Nuestro grupo lo ha hecho

‘Mercurio’ nunca fue pensado para ser el metal plateado de Hg metal. Se refirió a la VIDA, ya sea inmaterial en el espacio o como un aceite / sublimado tangible cuando se une a la materia. Una generación después de Paracelso, los médicos prescribieron Hg para ser ingerido por la sífilis. Paracelso curó esta enfermedad con “Mercurio”, pero con este término pretendía el principio de la Vida, no Hg. Se estaba dirigiendo a sus discípulos que sabían a qué se refería.

La Piedra Filosofal según la aplastante mayoría de los tratados alquímicos es el resultado de un proceso. Es un proceso de evolución a través de la muerte y el renacimiento provocado por el Mercurio capturado. Se describe claramente que NO está disponible para simplemente levantar del suelo o extraer, como la Piedra Filosofal preparada. El mercurio en el aire, (leer la vida), cuando se une a una materia da un “vitriolo filosófico”, una sal de propiedades fisicoquímicas inusuales. Esto se digiere y se separa en un “Mercurio” rojo y blanco, como aceites y un sólido. Estos en unión dieron lugar al proceso evolutivo descrito por tantos alquimistas. De hecho, es la manipulación del blanco y el rojo el comienzo de la mayoría de los tratados. Suponen que ya tienes estos.

Andro
12-04-2017, 06:18 AM
Hi Alfr,

This is an English-language forum.

alfr
12-04-2017, 07:01 AM
Sorry andro
but this interesting article of the very discussed and very controversial rhoeden are only in spanish and this imho interesting article that it was publish and after immediately removed are only in spanish so sorry
but in this article spanish there are also all reference in english link:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm
from where he take of the original article in english

my best regard alfr

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 01:52 PM
I really hope that the Air trap its a shortcut to get the Mercury of Philosophers, considering that to prepare the materials that are really alchemically reactive, take months, sometimes years of hard work.I have just started to consider these magnetic traps and I'm looking for to understand something, because there are many doubts about these presumed monoatomic substances, given that,from a quick glance at the information available, it seems only a giant commercial maneuver.

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 02:29 PM
I ask to the experienced people,with scientifically oriented mind,if they have considered the possibility that the milkyness of the water extracted with the traps, can be attributable to the formation of micro and nano bubbles of air inside the water that polymerizes to form the famous "fat". These microscopic pockets of air, become amost permanent, in high viscosity liquids. Thats because, like most of you (I hope) know, this 'oil' can be obtained, in different degrees, even with other static devices that manipulate Magnetism / Orgone / Aether. The difference lies in the fact that the formed oil its transparent.....

Dragon's Tail
12-04-2017, 02:54 PM
I don't fully understand the pictures so I can't comment with much certainty. This was tap water wicked through a piece of chord while the runoff went through a set of magnets?

I've seen the clouds show up a lot lately, seemingly by different mechanisms. One was almost certainly a mix of eth/water/oil that I recovered from one of my tar stones. Another wasn't cloudy, but formed tiny crystals in the water where I expected none (the salt experiments), neither involved magnets, but they make interesting curiosities.

Almost every time I let water evaporate to dryness lately over some heat I get some sediment. When a tiny bit of distilled water is added, it instantly colors itself yellow and becomes noticeably viscous. Another curiosity. The yellow liquids so far have a pH higher than 7. One of them was around 8.5 based on my pH paper. I wasn't trying to create these waters but rather found them on accident. Maybe if I add some magnets to my salt distillations they will concentrate better? In either case it will have to wait. I'm only doing one experiment at a time for the moment.

Tiny enough bubbles will persist for a long time. I've seen this when cleaning eth out of flasks and shaking vigorously, so trapped bubbles is a possibility. If the substance is truly an oil then this could be some kind of hydrosol, which will stay in that state (tiny suspended droplets on a nano scale) indefinitely. In my recent experiment with trapped oil, the liquid went clear after another distillation, and the oil was seen floating on top of the distillate, but in my previous experiment, nothing would remove the cloudiness. It's possible the cloudiness might be fixed by the addition of some tiny fraction of salt that volatizes with the water.

I'm a relative noob in this area, but you asked, so I figured I would comment what I've seen so far.

theFool
12-04-2017, 04:36 PM
Has anyone ever noticed the fact that the waste water of the Ormus Traps, if collected and recirculated in the same trap,in a closed loop,for some times,its completely transformed, exhibiting all the characteristics of the 'good' Ormus water extracted, without presenting any waste?. Hi, how do you know that as a fact? Have you tried it? It is the first time I read something like this.

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 07:24 PM
I don't fully understand the pictures so I can't comment with much certainty. This was tap water wicked through a piece of chord while the runoff went through a set of magnets?

I've seen the clouds show up a lot lately, seemingly by different mechanisms. One was almost certainly a mix of eth/water/oil that I recovered from one of my tar stones. Another wasn't cloudy, but formed tiny crystals in the water where I expected none (the salt experiments), neither involved magnets, but they make interesting curiosities.

Almost every time I let water evaporate to dryness lately over some heat I get some sediment. When a tiny bit of distilled water is added, it instantly colors itself yellow and becomes noticeably viscous. Another curiosity. The yellow liquids so far have a pH higher than 7. One of them was around 8.5 based on my pH paper. I wasn't trying to create these waters but rather found them on accident. Maybe if I add some magnets to my salt distillations they will concentrate better? In either case it will have to wait. I'm only doing one experiment at a time for the moment.

Tiny enough bubbles will persist for a long time. I've seen this when cleaning eth out of flasks and shaking vigorously, so trapped bubbles is a possibility. If the substance is truly an oil then this could be some kind of hydrosol, which will stay in that state (tiny suspended droplets on a nano scale) indefinitely. In my recent experiment with trapped oil, the liquid went clear after another distillation, and the oil was seen floating on top of the distillate, but in my previous experiment, nothing would remove the cloudiness. It's possible the cloudiness might be fixed by the addition of some tiny fraction of salt that volatizes with the water.

I'm a relative noob in this area, but you asked, so I figured I would comment what I've seen so far.

Dragon,thanks for your contribution.
If you want to spend some time to experiment with your salt,oils,etc, and want to see some real improvement,I recommend to build a basic MEOW Kettle.Its easy to build and operate,inexpensive, and a really WORKING device.

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 07:38 PM
Hi, how do you know that as a fact? Have you tried it? It is the first time I read something like this.

It's a fact because I have produced results,many times.I no wonder the thing is little known, because people always tend to follow the instructions dictated by others, and rarely come out of the sown. And, then,you know that people usually are not so generous...

theFool
12-04-2017, 08:28 PM
It's a fact because I have produced results,many times.I no wonder the thing is little known, because people always tend to follow the instructions dictated by others, and rarely come out of the sown. And, then,you know that people usually are not so generous...Great thing to read.
The only thing I've seen from single water traps is a very thin iridescent oil that floats on top of the output water. But of course I haven't tried many things with them.

About the MEOW water you write about, I've seen nothing floating on top or getting milkier.

theFool
12-04-2017, 08:41 PM
If the water trap and MEOW kettles share the same principle of operation, then I think that the strength of the magnets is not important. What is important is to cover all the cylindrical area around the trap with the thickest possible magnets. MEOW kettles just create an area surrounded by thick magnetite walls. This creates zero magnetic field in the centre, the magnetite produces no magnetic field by itself because its particles are not aligned. What if a water trap had magnetite around it instead of magnets.

About the question of wether the trap water is milky because of some gas trapped in it, I suggest to put it for freezing and then let it melt again. Will it still be milky?

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 10:49 PM
Great thing to read.
The only thing I've seen from single water traps is a very thin iridescent oil that floats on top of the output water. But of course I haven't tried many things with them.

About the MEOW water you write about, I've seen nothing floating on top or getting milkier.

As said before,increase the quantity of the salts in the water to be circulated and you will augment he quantity of the oil produced.
The oil appears to be soluble in water till it reaches a certain concentration where it will separate from the water on its own. For a MEOW kettle, the times are longer to show the oil,but you will always find that the water has changed viscosity,even after few days of treatment.The static devices( =no moving water),like the MEOW,never produce the milkyness;the oil its always clear,
and for this reason, I tend to attribute the milky color to the presence of nano bubbles in the oil that forms.

Cyrano
12-04-2017, 11:41 PM
If the water trap and MEOW kettles share the same principle of operation, then I think that the strength of the magnets is not important. What is important is to cover all the cylindrical area around the trap with the thickest possible magnets. MEOW kettles just create an area surrounded by thick magnetite walls. This creates zero magnetic field in the centre, the magnetite produces no magnetic field by itself because its particles are not aligned. What if a water trap had magnetite around it instead of magnets.

About the question of wether the trap water is milky because of some gas trapped in it, I suggest to put it for freezing and then let it melt again. Will it still be milky?

The MEOW kettle shield the horizontal component of the Earth Magnetic field,but leave to pass the vertical one.So the effects are influenced by the positioning of the device.
About the water traps,like the Winter Trap,there is a certain compression of the magnetic field,and the field expands toward the centre of the tube,so there is a diamagnetic effect on water moving in it.Some people says the compression generate a 'Scalar Field'(ref. Thomas Bearden)that effects the water,too.
Other types of traps,with different magnetic configurations,tend to force the Ormus content in a certain direction,rather than another.

Thanks for the suggestion to freeze the oil.

theFool
12-06-2017, 12:43 PM
The MEOW kettle shield the horizontal component of the Earth Magnetic field,but leave to pass the vertical one.So the effects are influenced by the positioning of the device.
About the water traps,like the Winter Trap,there is a certain compression of the magnetic field,and the field expands toward the centre of the tube,so there is a diamagnetic effect on water moving in it. Water traps use usually "donut shaped" (or ring) magnets. Here is the strength of the magnetic field in the donut hole:

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/images/twomagsiderepel2.gif

and here are the "magnetic lines":

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/images/twomagsiderepel.gif

(source: http://www.coolmagnetman.com/field05.htm )

It is not zero but on the contrary quite high. Could something similar happen with the magnetite ring in the MEOW kettles? Maybe the magnetite is magnetized by the weak vertical component of the earth's magnetic field and produces the above depicted field inside the cylindrical hole.

What if a MEOW kettle was made with donut shaped magnets (eg. speaker magnets). Would the water be magnetized quicker because of the stronger field?

theFool
12-06-2017, 12:56 PM
Some people says the compression generate a 'Scalar Field'(ref. Thomas Bearden)that effects the water,too. A scalar field associcated with permanent magnets is called magnetic potential:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_potential#Magnetic_scalar_potential

In its more general form the magnetic potential is not a scalar but a vector field:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_potential

Wether it actually exists or not is not yet decided but there are strong indications that it has physical importance. I don't know if Bearden talks about this field.
It would be interesting to find a depiction of this field inside a ring permanent magnet.

theFool
12-06-2017, 02:17 PM
On the question of how this field can affect the water and cause the oiliness there are many possible ideas to explore.

1. Some people think that there are diamagnetic particles inside the water that are repelled by the magnet and thus are concentrated in the upper part of the water traps. This is the most simplistic explanation, but also contradicts some of your observations.
In case this hypothesis is somehow valid, note that the force exerted on the imaginary "oily" diamagnetic dipole (monopoles are not existent from what we know) by a mangetic field is dependent on the "thickening" of the magnetic lines and not on their strength:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field#Force_between_magnets

this could explain why possibly stronger magnets in traps don't yield better results but instead, a configuration that augments the so called "divergence" of the magnetic lines through the donut hole would be the best.

2. There is the idea that the oiliness is caused by the polymerization of the dissolved salts inside the water:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm
Quote:

"My lab work shows matter seriously affected by an anisotropic Vacuum (read aether) causes predictable changes in a target matter--typically to a covalent-grease manifestation, i.e. long chain polymers, in material that normally will not form polymers, eg ionic salts."

This explanation comes closer to your observations too.

3. The above mentioned researcher was using ring magnets in his air trap. He describes making oily water by bubbling the "cold air" into it. This implies that there is something that can be transferred from the air trap to the water and cause the oiliness. It cannot be simply explained by action of the magnetic field on the salts. Observation (3) contradicts (2). Probably, the expalnation is closer to a combination of (1) and (2). A catalytic matter extracted from air or water that interacts with the dissolved salts and forms the "oil".

4. Since we cannot interpret the oiliness by direct action of the magnetic field on the dissolved salts neither can we say that this catalytic matter is already found in the water or air and is simply extracted out of it because of your observation (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1348-Ormus-Trap&p=53275#post53275), what are the remaining options?

Can the "catalytic matter" be created continously instead of being extracted from water (or air) and depleted? Does the depleted water replenish itself with this matter very quickly before it reaches the trap again for the next cycle? Just ideas.

Is there a difference between water (or air) moving through the special magnetic field compared to it standing (MEOW kettle)? Why does MEOW kettle exhibit the same results since the water is not moving at all.

Dragon's Tail
12-06-2017, 07:38 PM
The coagulation of water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, ammonia, and oxygen seems like a breeding ground for potential reactions when carried out in careful order, such as The Solvay Process. Perhaps the presence or absence of a magnetic field can affect these reactions as well. In some of my reading I came across an idea that "calcination" as the first order of alchemical operation wasn't about overheating salts, but "bringing things together." I can't remember the source, probably a website. Bringing together the sun, moon, air, and water in the right proportions with the correct operation could be very insightful, potentially. It's something that my mind is rattling about while I'm watching my boiling flasks coat themselves in NaCl from my heating bath, turning them into puffy snowballs. Nature does strange things when the conditions are just right.

Schmuldvich
12-06-2017, 08:25 PM
The coagulation of water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, ammonia, and oxygen seems like a breeding ground for potential reactions when carried out in careful order

In some of my reading I came across an idea that "calcination" as the first order of alchemical operation wasn't about overheating salts, but "bringing things together."

Nature does strange things when the conditions are just right.

YES!

In my experience this has proven to be the best method of working with the Alchemical process. The first step is what everyone seems to look over or attempt to skip, but I think you are on the right track when you mention things like "bringing things together" or "coagulating the water" as the first step of Alchemical operation.

Cyrano
12-06-2017, 09:29 PM
Water traps use usually "donut shaped" (or ring) magnets. Here is the strength of the magnetic field in the donut hole:

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/images/twomagsiderepel2.gif

and here are the "magnetic lines":

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/images/twomagsiderepel.gif

(source: http://www.coolmagnetman.com/field05.htm )

It is not zero but on the contrary quite high. Could something similar happen with the magnetite ring in the MEOW kettles? Maybe the magnetite is magnetized by the weak vertical component of the earth's magnetic field and produces the above depicted field inside the cylindrical hole.

What if a MEOW kettle was made with donut shaped magnets (eg. speaker magnets). Would the water be magnetized quicker because of the stronger field?

I dont know if its a good idea to stack donuts magnets to make a meow.... The magnetite its very susceptible to external variations of the Earth magnetic field, as opposed to artificial magnets. Magnetite grains are like resonators for the forces of Nature. Also the natural magnetite, having a formula much more variegated than the simple oxide of iron, it has a different information power. I recommend to use magnetite extracted from the same place where will be the final placement of the device, to increase the connection with the local energies.We are dealing with Alchemy,after all!.

Dragon's Tail
12-06-2017, 09:53 PM
I dont know if its a good idea to stack donuts magnets to make a meow.... The magnetite its very susceptible to external variations of the Earth magnetic field, as opposed to artificial magnets. Magnetite grains are like resonators for the forces of Nature. Also the natural magnetite, having a formula much more variegated than the simple oxide of iron, it has a different information power. I recommend to use magnetite extracted from the same place where will be the final placement of the device, to increase the connection with the local energies.We are dealing with Alchemy,after all!.

If you want really fine/pure magnetite, there is a method that is used as a basis for making nanoparticles from chemical etchant solution and a source of iron. I don't remember the exact recipe, buy you "dissolve" some steel wool in solution and then add another chemical to precipitate the particles. I've done this once. For storage, I would recommend washing them and mixing with something like kerosene so that they don't rust and coagulate. One bottle of the stuff is sufficient to make quite a lot of magnetite particles. Let me see if I can find the recipe...

Here you go, step 3: https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-make-liquid-magnets-606319

Cyrano
12-06-2017, 10:01 PM
The coagulation of water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, ammonia, and oxygen seems like a breeding ground for potential reactions when carried out in careful order, such as The Solvay Process. Perhaps the presence or absence of a magnetic field can affect these reactions as well. In some of my reading I came across an idea that "calcination" as the first order of alchemical operation wasn't about overheating salts, but "bringing things together." I can't remember the source, probably a website. Bringing together the sun, moon, air, and water in the right proportions with the correct operation could be very insightful, potentially. It's something that my mind is rattling about while I'm watching my boiling flasks coat themselves in NaCl from my heating bath, turning them into puffy snowballs. Nature does strange things when the conditions are just right.

Infact,there is generative heat and destructive heat.A famous alchemist said that there is no 'Secret Fire',but there is the 'secret use of the fire'. If the substances are 'alive' as the Ancients said,they posses an internal motion,so a conseguential internal heat;so its a nonsence trying to add less or more heat than the quantity they can handle.

Cyrano
12-06-2017, 10:08 PM
On the question of how this field can affect the water and cause the oiliness there are many possible ideas to explore.

1. Some people think that there are diamagnetic particles inside the water that are repelled by the magnet and thus are concentrated in the upper part of the water traps. This is the most simplistic explanation, but also contradicts some of your observations.
In case this hypothesis is somehow valid, note that the force exerted on the imaginary "oily" diamagnetic dipole (monopoles are not existent from what we know) by a mangetic field is dependent on the "thickening" of the magnetic lines and not on their strength:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field#Force_between_magnets

this could explain why possibly stronger magnets in traps don't yield better results but instead, a configuration that augments the so called "divergence" of the magnetic lines through the donut hole would be the best.

2. There is the idea that the oiliness is caused by the polymerization of the dissolved salts inside the water:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm
Quote:


This explanation comes closer to your observations too.

3. The above mentioned researcher was using ring magnets in his air trap. He describes making oily water by bubbling the "cold air" into it. This implies that there is something that can be transferred from the air trap to the water and cause the oiliness. It cannot be simply explained by action of the magnetic field on the salts. Observation (3) contradicts (2). Probably, the expalnation is closer to a combination of (1) and (2). A catalytic matter extracted from air or water that interacts with the dissolved salts and forms the "oil".

4. Since we cannot interpret the oiliness by direct action of the magnetic field on the dissolved salts neither can we say that this catalytic matter is already found in the water or air and is simply extracted out of it because of your observation (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1348-Ormus-Trap&p=53275#post53275), what are the remaining options?

Can the "catalytic matter" be created continously instead of being extracted from water (or air) and depleted? Does the depleted water replenish itself with this matter very quickly before it reaches the trap again for the next cycle? Just ideas.

Is there a difference between water (or air) moving through the special magnetic field compared to it standing (MEOW kettle)? Why does MEOW kettle exhibit the same results since the water is not moving at all.

IMHO,the air trap extract a catalityc matter from the air,and since this stuff reacts to magnetic fields,magnets are used to assist the collection,BUT the same catalityc matter can be made with the aid of the magnetic fields.I consider the magnetic field a
concentration of matter,not energy.
In a water trap,the water moves and get an induction from the magnetic fields.In the meow kettles,its the magnetic field thats moving,responding to the beat of the Planet!.Have you an idea of the possibile implications in Alchemy?.Here lies a great Secret,belive me.

Cyrano
12-06-2017, 10:38 PM
If you want really fine/pure magnetite, there is a method that is used as a basis for making nanoparticles from chemical etchant solution and a source of iron. I don't remember the exact recipe, buy you "dissolve" some steel wool in solution and then add another chemical to precipitate the particles. I've done this once. For storage, I would recommend washing them and mixing with something like kerosene so that they don't rust and coagulate. One bottle of the stuff is sufficient to make quite a lot of magnetite particles. Let me see if I can find the recipe...

Here you go, step 3: https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-make-liquid-magnets-606319

Thanks for the link.A kettle made of suspended particles able to move, its an idea.

Schmuldvich
12-07-2017, 06:37 AM
We are dealing with Alchemy,after all!.

In what way??

I just don't see the parallels.

In what way do you feel this is Alchemical?

theFool
12-07-2017, 07:40 AM
In a water trap,the water moves and get an induction from the magnetic fields.In the meow kettles,its the magnetic field thats moving,responding to the beat of the Planet! According to another researcher (Viny Pinto (http://ormuswater.vpinf.com/)) it is possible to decrease the required time for the treatment of MEOW water from 3 days down to three hours by employing "a powerful magnet configured with the magnetite sand in a unique geometry"
(source: http://ormuswater.vpinf.com/exp-products-1.html)

This implies to me that there is a mechanistic/causative relationship between magnets and MEOW water that follows simple rules. We could get the MEOW device in a beautiful scenery, use native magnetite, pray to god etc. but will this decrease the time from 3 days to 3 hours? I don't think so. As the soul neeeds also a body in order to be able to manifest, similarly science is a helper of Alchemy.


Have you an idea of the possibile implications in Alchemy?.Here lies a great Secret,belive me.
Here is a quote from the air trap designer:

Aqua regia is not the only way to dissolve gold. The alchemists used 'Mercury'. This is a confusing kind of technical term. As a solvent, it is really about the fixation of the universal spirit in the air (also called Universal Mercury, i.e. LIFE) onto matter from any of the three kingdoms. It is a merging of Life energy and matter. The tangible matter which is usually a salt, after the life spirit has been fixed on it, has its chemical and physical properties seriously bent. A sublimate from this union acquires a new property in that it can now dissolve gold--no HCl/HNO3. Not a fantasy. Our group has done it
source: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

I don't know if you mean that this is "the Secret". I'm keeping a small basket.

Cyrano
12-07-2017, 11:35 AM
According to another researcher (Viny Pinto (http://ormuswater.vpinf.com/)) it is possible to decrease the required time for the treatment of MEOW water from 3 days down to three hours by employing "a powerful magnet configured with the magnetite sand in a unique geometry"
(source: http://ormuswater.vpinf.com/exp-products-1.html)

This implies to me that there is a mechanistic/causative relationship between magnets and MEOW water that follows simple rules. We could get the MEOW device in a beautiful scenery, use native magnetite, pray to god etc. but will this decrease the time from 3 days to 3 hours? I don't think so. As the soul neeeds also a body in order to be able to manifest, similarly science is a helper of Alchemy.


Here is a quote from the air trap designer:

source: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/airtrap.htm

I don't know if you mean that this is "the Secret". I'm keeping a small basket.

As I said before,any addition of artificial magnetism, its not a good idea.The grains of magnetite are easily oriented by the variations of the Earth Magnetic Field.If an artificial magnet its added,the grains don't respond anymore to the tiny variations of the field of the planet.If there is a way to boost the influence of the device,without corrupting the created simpathy,I dont know.
The true secret isnt in the possibilty to create something that dissolve gold or silver,without any know chemical reaction.In twenty years,I've found at least 14 compounds that does this operation,but no one give special proprieties to the dissolved metal,even if its used an alchemical modus operandi.

theFool
12-07-2017, 02:59 PM
As I said before,any addition of artificial magnetism, its not a good idea.The grains of magnetite are easily oriented by the variations of the Earth Magnetic Field.If an artificial magnet its added,the grains don't respond anymore to the tiny variations of the field of the planet.If there is a way to boost the influence of the device,without corrupting the created simpathy,I dont know.
The true secret isnt in the possibilty to create something that dissolve gold or silver,without any know chemical reaction.In twenty years,I've found at least 14 compounds that does this operation,but no one give special proprieties to the dissolved metal,even if its used an alchemical modus operandi.Thanks for sharing your opinions with us Cyrano.

Cyrano
12-13-2017, 09:40 PM
I want to add that, if you place the device below ground level, you will have an amplified effect. You can use the apparatus to prepare very effective spagyric products.

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