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Ghislain
04-07-2010, 06:16 AM
Distilled Golden Water

The following process is a corruption of ‘ A thought of Dr. Bacstrom’ kindly made available to me
by Mr Androgynus. The purpose was to use this method in the ‘One Matter - One Vessel - One Fire’
thread however:



I have contaminated my GW with Nitre and I have distilled the
putrefied GW also, so it would be unsuitable to place this process
in ‘One Matter - One Vessel - One Fire’ and hence the new thread.


Therefore there may be some of the work from ‘One Matter - One Vessel - One Fire’ repeated here.

The Work

My Putrefied GW stood for a good six months in a demijohn about 7/8ths full. Then the first time I
attempted anything I took about a litre and boiled off the phlegm... this stank and I would not
recommend doing this indoors as I did :(

I kept the residue of this process and left it to stand, the sediment in it settled and I removed the top
clear red liquid with a syringe placing it in a clean vessel and repeated this every time sediment
appeared...I had no idea what I was doing and was hoping crystals would form. The result of this
was posted as below.

Well not sure what to do with this stuff.

I distilled some putrified gw I kept the clear-slightly yellow liquid
in a jar. I threw out all the white sediment...:) hope that wasn't the
part to keep...and I have placed the residue in an open glass and
allowed it to evaporate to a thick oil. I thought some crystals should be forming
at this stage? There is a little salty lookin residue in the glass but nothing
you would really call crystals...any ideas and feedback would be most
welcome

Here (http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/gw.wmv) is a short film to show the vicosity of the residue.

As I had no idea what I was doing I thought it best to keep everything that came out of this process
and thus I captured the distillate of the GW and placed this in another demijohn. Any sediment that
appeared was placed in one jar. The residue was left to stand for a week and each day the clear red
liquid was syringed off and placed in a clean vessel and any sediment that had precipitated were
placed in the one jar too.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/distilled%20and%20concentrate.jpg
The result of a litre distillation...distillate on left and red liquid on right with sediment.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/faeces.jpg
The accumulated faeces of the various distillations. This jar sometimes has weird white fluffy
mould growths which come and go.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/putrified%20and%20distillate.jpg
Putrefied GW on left and distillate on right

The red liquid was placed into a glass baking tray and evaporated to a thick honey like consistency as
seen in the quote above. This tray was kept indoors and uncovered, however if I had guests I would
place it outside ;) (saves having to explain it :)) it does smell but not too bad. When outside it is very
hygroscopic and soon becomes very liquid again.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/early%20dish.jpg
The tray at the beginning – not much salt and quite pale

To continue...each time the tray evaporated to honey I would place more red liquid upon it. At this
point I have replenished the tray about five times...many more to go.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/frothy%20dish.jpg
The tray now. As can be seen the substance has taken on a deep red colour and there is much more salt at the bottom of the tray. The white floating matter is froth where I think the whole thing is gassing.


Ghislain

Ghislain
04-07-2010, 06:21 AM
To start with the contents of the tray was just gooey liquid and not very red...now it has a salty
looking base a very red top layer and has started to froth a little :confused: The smell has changed
too. It smells a lot more chemical, sort of acidy. For this reason I have placed it outside now in a
propagator which will be in sunlight during the day and has ventilation that can be adjusted as it
goes on...bit of trial and error I guess.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/propogator.jpg

The propagator with the evaporating tray inside.

Bacstrom suggested starting off with a layer of flowers of sulphur ...which I forgot to do :(

I may try the whole thing again using sulphur.

Please feel free to ask any questions and if you have any advice or info that would be gratefully
received.

Ghislain

Rueb
04-07-2010, 04:30 PM
Yes that thought of Mr. Bacstrom is indeed a nice addition to this work.

The sulphur is interchangeable with antimony which he mentions.
Besides that, Gold is what I will use.

He also describes the acid crystals as a phosphorus compound.

Rueb

Ghislain
04-07-2010, 05:24 PM
Rueb

I put a little gold leaf in some of this before...nothing seemed to happen

I let it dry out and it stank fairly bad...it seems to get smellier the drier it is?

I got fed up with it and put it in a camera film canister then forgot where I put it.

I found it yesterday after about 2 months.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/dried%20urine%20with%20gold%20and%20nitric.jpg

It was a dark brown when I put it in the canister. I am not 100% sure but I think
in the end I may have dripped a little nitric on it...I do have a bad habit of doing
things like that.

Ghislain

Rueb
04-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Hi gishlain,

interesting because my transparent crystals mingled with 24k gold leaf looks like the same mass as yours and yes brown and only brown is what it looks like and no sign of gold.

While working on the mass in my mortar it had a quite strange appearance. Difficult to tell but it seems like the crystals became slightly liquid and upon stopping with my mortar the mass went on to "work" for a few seconds ...
it looked like "ants" running around ...
the so called "ants" were these "brown pellets" ...

The brown pellets mass are rather gooey again as well.

This leads me to think that maybe the crystals would need to be purified even more.


Rueb

Rueb
05-23-2010, 06:27 PM
text coming soon

Rueb
05-23-2010, 06:37 PM
The 2nd picture shows the brown mass. This is/were the crystals mingled with 24k gold leaf.

The 1st picture shows the mass melted together with more gold added (1150C, 15 mins)

The 3rd picture was close before I mingled the the mass together again.

The 4th picture shows the quarz crucible I used which became very brittle. I had to crush the crucible in order to get out the mass.
In this picture you will also notice a small (1.7 gram gold) "nugget" which hasnt interacted/opened.

All in all I used about 6grams of the red crystals with about 3 grams of 24k gold. So about half of the gold has been turned into something.


Rueb

Ghislain
05-24-2010, 03:52 PM
Hi Rueb

That was some heat you applied to your material. I just took mine and put it in a
stainless steel cup on the cooker. It seemed sort of waxy and i wondered if it
would melt and run. I didn't, it smoked and smelt then went very black. Some
more gold leaf was put in while heating just for good measure :) this was then
ground up with half of my material that was not heated. I put some distilled water
from my GW on it and I can see specs of gold from the leaf I just put in there...
I shall let it brew a while and see what happens.

I take it from this we are working with different materials.

I did grind the material a while back and it turned into a sodden mess which I had
to scrape out of my mortar. There is a pic somewhere, I'll dig it out and post it.

Ghislain

Ghislain
05-24-2010, 04:17 PM
Found it!

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/picture.php?albumid=25&pictureid=171

Ghislain

P.S. how do you insert thumbnails...?

Awani
05-24-2010, 04:38 PM
P.S. how do you insert thumbnails...?

Click on the image next to the smiley face (when you are creating a post)... it is for attachments...

:cool:

Ghislain
05-24-2010, 05:12 PM
Third attempt...and said the file from my album here was invalid :( computers...can't live with em...can't smash em with a sledge hammer ;)

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=356&d=1274721409

Rueb
05-29-2010, 06:25 PM
What is also interesting is that after firing and melting it with gold it smells like a fresh boiled egg. :)

and Yes Gishlain this is the same matter.

Rueb

Ghislain
08-10-2011, 07:18 PM
Hi All

I have been reading "The Book of Aquarius" from the link posted by Androgynus.


The Book of Aquarius.


It reminded me, I still had my two demijohns one with old GW and one with distillate of GW and
an idea came to me.

I wondered what would happen if I let them breath together.

As I know very little of Alchemical procedure some of you may cringe :(...
the content of both demijohns were filtered and the demijohns cleaned out...
The old GW had thick sediment that was kept...just in case :) ... it can be seen in the pic in the
honey jars to the right.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/gw%20jars%20a.jpg ( http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/gw%20jars.JPG)

The distillate didn't have much sediment but there were bits floating around in it that weren’t kept.
The demijohns were cleaned out with boiling water and rice. Then rinsed with boiling water and drained till dry.

Both liquids were filtered and returned to their respective demijohns and a tube placed between them.

I am wondering; will one move to the other, in a sort of aerial osmotic way? \o/

Who knows; I have it in the attic which gets hot in the day and cool at night so should be some good movement,
but will always be in the dark.

I will keep updating...

Any suggestions welcome...:)

Ghislain

crystalbody
08-11-2011, 02:20 AM
Once you obtain the red liquid you must put it in a fridge. You will over a couple days to aweek or two (sometimes that night) produce redish clear crystals. THIS is what you must ferment with gold. Crush them with gold leaf ,...Put it in a cruciple, heat it until it glows red, and melt the gold to a clear salt. This is the white phase. I have done this, I am not reading it from old texts. I have ONLY been able to get SPECKS of red if SILVER shavings were added. Good luck!!

amoodikh
08-11-2011, 09:50 PM
Once you obtain the red liquid you must put it in a fridge. You will over a couple days to aweek or two (sometimes that night) produce redish clear crystals. THIS is what you must ferment with gold. Crush them with gold leaf ,...Put it in a cruciple, heat it until it glows red,
and melt the gold to a clear salt. This is the white phase. I have done this, I am not reading it from old texts. I have ONLY been able to get SPECKS of red if SILVER shavings were added. Good luck!!

What type of clear salt are you talking about? to get to the white phase. Is it sea salt or Sodium chloride?

Ghislain
08-14-2011, 12:37 AM
Crystalbody I have tried the fridge thing...unsuccessfully...bit wiffy!

This time I want to try something else..

The filtrate that was put in the honey jars had settled so this gave me an Idea.

The liquid was tipped off into another jar, the all the sediments were added together
in a second jar.

At the beginning of this thread ...some time ago... some filtered gw was placed in a tray
outside but inside a propagator.

Many things were done to this gw:

It had some flowers of sulphur added to it.
It had some gold leaf sprinkled upon it.
A lump of lead was sat in it.
Then it was put in a jar...minus the lump of lead...and forgotten.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/propogator.jpg

This was like a thick treacle by now...anyway, this was reluctantly added to the sediment jar: I say
reluctantly because of all the impurities in it.

A funny thing happened...quite unexpectedly the whole combination started to froth up.
Unfortunately this happened rather quickly and I was more occupied in trying to stem the mess than
to take photo’s so I only have pic’s from after the event.

I had to pour off some of the froth into another jar, but as the frothing subsided all was returned to
the same jar.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic1a.jpg (http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic1.jpg)

As you can see from the pic the impurities separated from the gw some floating on top and some sinking to the bottom.

Using a syringe this middle layer was removed and placed in yet another jar.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic2%20syringe%20a.jpg (http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic2%20syringe.jpg)

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic3a.jpg (http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic3.jpg)

The gw taken from the settled filter jars was distilled, but getting the temp right caused a little problem...again with frothing...I was having a frothy day :)...

You can download a short vid of the whole escapade Here (http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/Movie.wmv)

What I now have is, from left to right: The Distillate; The faeces from the distillation, The Syringed
GW from the sediment jar, and The faeces from the sediment jar.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic5a.jpg (http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/New%20work/pic5.jpg)

I now want to calcine the faeces, but what temp is the question...do I just heat it till dry or should I
burn it as though to make potash?

Should I add the faeces with the gold in it to the rest?

What about the syringed gw...should that be added too?

Any suggestions welcome

Thanks

Ghislain

Ghislain
10-26-2012, 11:02 PM
Just over a year on and, although I pinched some material from this for another experiment, nothing much
has happened.


http://genius.toucansurf.com/GW/twin%20GW.jpg

Ghislain

Ghislain
07-23-2013, 05:21 PM
I distilled some putrified GW and got what smells,up close, like Ammonia...very strong and volatile,
but from a distance it smells awful like urine.

I found that strong, shop bought, Ammonia just smells like Ammonia irespective of distance.

I put some Copper pellets into this clear distillate and it immediately turned dark blue.

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=768

Any idea what this is?

Ghislain

psykopanther
01-21-2014, 04:45 PM
Well there is ammonia in urine? I believe its tge first vapor that you can distill over?

lwowl
01-21-2014, 06:13 PM
I distilled some putrified GW and got what smells,up close, like Ammonia...very strong and volatile,
but from a distance it smells awful like urine.

I found that strong, shop bought, Ammonia just smells like Ammonia irespective of distance.

I put some Copper pellets into this clear distillate and it immediately turned dark blue.

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=768

Any idea what this is?

Ghislain

What you have there is a Philosophical copper ammonia complex. Filter it and take the dregs of your urine work that it came from and dry distill it. Collect what comes over, then calcine what's left until it is whitened.