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pneumatician
05-07-2010, 10:00 PM
hello, any try this ??? personal experiences ??? is very easy to do, but seems that nobody tried ???

http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/cc/cc05.htm

bye bye from Catalonia,
pneumatician

Ab Roek
05-08-2010, 02:12 AM
Pneumatician,

Hail!

I will try this spagyric operation you propose, and let you know what I come up with.

Fidelity
AB RK


hello, any try this ??? personal experiences ??? is very easy to do, but seems that nobody tried ???

http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/cc/cc05.htm

bye bye from Catalonia,
pneumatician

Ab Roek
05-08-2010, 02:41 AM
Pneuma Smith,

Upon closer inspection, I see the operation you propose is identical to that proposed already by our friend, Solomon Levi.

See here:
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=329



hello, any try this ??? personal experiences ??? is very easy to do, but seems that nobody tried ???

http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/cc/cc05.htm

bye bye from Catalonia,
pneumatician

Andro
05-08-2010, 02:52 AM
This specific text advises not to use common brimstone, but the 'Mineral Sulfur' or 'Sulfur Vive'.

Centuries ago they apparently used sulfide minerals to produce it from, and Bacstrom mentions sublimed sulfur (http://www.sublimedsulfur.com/) (Flowers of Sulfur).

Never tried it, just FYI.

pneumatician
05-08-2010, 03:08 PM
reading sometimes the text you have clear two things:
1. the bell need to stay away some space from the fire-sulfur, separation by gravity ??? some bad-infernal fumes ???
2. YOU NEED TO RECTIFICATE THE OIL!!!
Salomon L. have a bad procedure...

Ab Roek
05-09-2010, 08:57 AM
The bell is separated from the burning sulphur, in order to provide oxygen for the completion of the burning, I would think.

Androgyn mentioned that the text says common brimstone should not be mistaken for sulphur-vive. Toward the end, the text seems to imply in parenthesis that sulphur-vive is sulphur that has been set aflame. What is your interpretation of the distinction?


reading sometimes the text you have clear two things:
1. the bell need to stay away some space from the fire-sulfur, separation by gravity ??? some bad-infernal fumes ???
2. YOU NEED TO RECTIFICATE THE OIL!!!
Salomon L. have a bad procedure...

pneumatician
05-09-2010, 05:37 PM
first I need all the info. for this reason I open this:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1526

if you have any of this books please contact me:
pneumatician at verdaguer.com

Ab Roek
05-10-2010, 01:47 AM
See p. 201-206 here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=mtdg6-PzkmsC&lpg=PP1&ots=5om5DDqmq4&dq=Glaser%20Chemistry%20Treatise&pg=PP16#v=onepage&q&f=false

French:
http://books.google.com/books?id=O0tAAAAAcAAJ&ots=kIChE0Osn3&dq=Trait%C3%A9%20de%20la%20chymie&pg=PR5#v=onepage&q&f=false


first I need all the info. for this reason I open this:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1526

if you have any of this books please contact me:
pneumatician at verdaguer.com

solomon levi
05-11-2010, 06:43 PM
reading sometimes the text you have clear two things:
1. the bell need to stay away some space from the fire-sulfur, separation by gravity ??? some bad-infernal fumes ???
2. YOU NEED TO RECTIFICATE THE OIL!!!
Salomon L. have a bad procedure...


The bell needs the space for air/oxygen so the fire will keep burning, but this
isn't as necessary if you add nitre. Or try getting a good size piece of iron glowing
red hot and place it in the crucible with the sulphur.
When i have tried to leave a space, the fumes always
want to escape there, so i don't do it that way.


If you want to ingest this, my procedure is not bad at all.
But if you want to have the pure oil for some other purpose, then you'll have
to rectify it or perfect the procedures mentioned in the books.

From my experience, this has all the health benefits claimed in the Collectanea Chemica.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/cc/cc05.htm


sol

pneumatician
05-12-2010, 02:58 PM
the fumes not condense because are too near the fire ? what sulfur you use ? from petrol or mineral ?? or flowers os S ? Ph grade ?? when you put the bell over S the fire no drowns ?? the book talk of a 'commond cold still' look the images. anyway if you not rectifique the oil you are ingesting the realgar of S, no ? (words of Paracels). some fumes can scape but the most dense part, i think, if the bell-funel is cold... john say the fire or S not touch the bell but if your method is good for you...

solomon levi
05-14-2010, 11:20 PM
the fumes not condense because are too near the fire ? what sulfur you use ? from petrol or mineral ?? or flowers os S ? Ph grade ?? when you put the bell over S the fire no drowns ?? the book talk of a 'commond cold still' look the images. anyway if you not rectifique the oil you are ingesting the realgar of S, no ? (words of Paracels). some fumes can scape but the most dense part, i think, if the bell-funel is cold... john say the fire or S not touch the bell but if your method is good for you...

1. The fumes do condense. Just do it at night when it's cool and preferably rainy.
2. I've used from petrol, and I've used Flowers of Sulphur.
3. Not sure what you mean by Ph grade... they were both yellow powders.
4. When i put the bell on, the fire does drown shortly. But it is still sufficient
to do this and relight it once or twice more. You can see in my pics that the bell
has filled up with white fumes. I just leave it sit until it becomes clear again. Then
I can collect it or light it once more.
5. I think I recall the image of the cold still from John French. Maybe that works too.
But remember the warning of Stirkius:
"Now, as this is so noble a medicine, so there is none in the world more basely adulterated and counterfeited, our wise doctors commending for it (quid pro quo) an adulterated mineral acidity of vitriol, distilled in a retort from vulgar sulphur, which the apostate chemists prepare and sell for, and the knavish apothecaries use and give to their patients, instead of this true spirit, which if sincere is clear as water, ponderous, and exquisitely acid, made of sulphur vive only, set on fire without any other mixture, and the fumes received in a broad glass, fitted for the purpose, vulgarly called a campana or bell, from its shape or likeness.
Most sottish is that maxim of the doctors, that spirit of sulphur and vitriol are of one nature, when experience teacheth that mere acetosity of vitriol (which brings over nothing of its excellent virtue) will dissolve argent vive, which the strongest spirit of sulphur, truly and not sophistically made, will not touch, nor will that recover beer or wines, or preserve them, as this will do: one, therefore, is an unripe esurine acetosity, of little virtue; the other a balsam of antidotary virtue, a preservative against corruption, and, upon that score, nothing can be used more effectually as a preservative against, or a remedy in, contagious fevers, small-pox, measles, or pestilence than this, nor more ridiculously than the other, which being drawn from the vulgar sulphur, that hath an infection of malignity mixed with it (which it took from the arsenical nature of the minerals from which it was melted), adds nothing to the virtue of the crude vitriolate spirits, but only that which was before of little virtue, to become a medicine of more danger and hazard, but not a jot more goodness than it was, when first wandr (sicJBH) from the vitriol; which being of itself clear and crude, is for to deceive the ignorant (by its colour) tinctured with some root or bark. Thus the credulous world is imposed upon and cheated, while, instead of most noble remedies (in name promised), adulterated trifles are produced, to the disparagement of art, and the scandal and reproach of the professor's medicine."

I'm not sure what is meant by the realgar of Sulphur. I'm pretty sure I am ingesting
sulfurous acid (SO3), which is the condensed sulfur dioxide gas (SO2). I think
sulfuric acid is SO4. Interesting the difference one O atom can make.

The thing is, even if you can concentrate it more than I can, you're still going
to have to dilute it the same as me to ingest it. The concentrated stuff will kill you.
Stirkius said it should be of the acidity of vinegar. When i collect mine it's much
stronger than that and i have to dilute it further. The only reason to have it strong
is for alchemical purposes. My medicine works great. i just don't take it too often
because you can't mix sulfur and Ormus/m-states. It's really great for the teeth and gums... I can still brush with it if I'm taking Ormus. :)

sol

Andro
05-15-2010, 12:19 AM
You can't mix sulfur and Ormus/m-states.

Have you ever tried to mix the two and felt negative or dimished effects?

Just curious if that statement comes from personal experience...

solomon levi
05-17-2010, 06:05 PM
I've mixed them but haven't really noticed any effects.
But the theory seems sound.
:)