View Full Version : The Caste System & Free Will (some thoughts)

05-29-2010, 05:29 PM
Well I was watching some Akira Kurosawa films and I began thinking, so I started writing. It is like a stream of thoughts, not opinions...

In 19th century Japan, under the Confucianism system a toad gave birth to a toad. The strict caste system said that below the lords were the farmers who produced things, then the artisans who changed the nature of things, then the merchants who moved things from place to place and below them the underclass, which included criminals and actors.

Two points…

1. actors are greatly overpaid these days compared to other, much nobler, pursuits
2. in a way such a caste system is logical, after all a toad gives birth to a toad, but…

…it is our intelligence that cause problems. This is why we go against nature, and doing so we, in a sense, cause our own doom. Slavery, terror and disease.

Perhaps the caste system has been done wrong?

The lord should be the wise. Those below are his or her students.

Then the farmer who lives off the land is farmer who feeds the world, working with nature, with love… who has no wants, who is not hungry, not abused, not in strife… a farmer who aims to be the best farmer growing not only food, but medicine too.

And like the farmer there are merchants who has no wants. Who aims to be the best merchant. Who trades ideas and things of beauty, as well as goods.

And the artisan who is the artist, the creator.

Below that the criminals, the scum… and none object their place.

Really such a society would be great… it is indeed utopian. And it would be easy to add doctors (healers), probably above or below the farmers. Personally I would be the artisan… and if I need not worry about food and shelter I would – essentially – be a happy artisan.

The caste system should also not be a hierarchy. Only organized, where the farmer gives birth to a farmer… perhaps such a system would create a race that is indeed equal to the natural world?

So far no society has created a caste system that is lacking in oppression. And I guess we loose our free will. Born the son of a farmer there is little chance to become the father of an artisan.

I don’t imagine many people in the world wanting a caste system, even if it is a just and peaceful one, because of the free will issue. That means free will is extremely important.

So why are we so silent when we pay tax, obey the police, listen to the lies of the politicians, take part in wars… it is all orders. It is all things that go against our free will. If we handle all that, then we might as well be able to handle a caste system?

The reason we don’t is because slavery and oppression these days are sneaky, silent, creeping up in our subconscious. Most of us don’t see it unless it is a gun in our face, unless it is totalitarian.

The democratical society is indeed totalitarianism in disguise!


05-29-2010, 08:15 PM
From the 'Monroe Encounter (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1418)':

HeShe: "A plan that doesn't involve communism or socialism, capitalism or dictatorship."
Monroe: "They say it can't be done."
HeShe: "That is what makes it worth the effort. It needs a unified worldwide human endeavor.
This will happen through recognized necessity, not through religions, race, or political beliefs, or force of arms."
Monroe: "Necessity is severe stuff. The world would have to be in rough shape."
HeShe: "That is the reason for waiting. The time will come."

05-29-2010, 08:52 PM
Indeed... missed that thread you posted...

But I agree... the time will come... hopefully I will be around. I so look forward to laughing at the destruction of the old!


05-29-2010, 08:59 PM
I so look forward to laughing at the destruction of the old!

So do I!

Hopefully surrounded by a few good friends or at least like-minded companions.

05-29-2010, 10:09 PM
Too many people are in their comfort zone.

We know what goes on, but to make a change takes effort on our part so it is easier to turn a blind

Those that take advantage of this complacency only have to use a little spin to give our lazy egos
their reason for inaction.

"It's not my problem", "What difference could I make", "It's just the way
things are". Those are just a few things I have said in the past.

Even now I am lost for a solution...complex chaos :eek:

It will take a major incident to change this now...the rot has set in IMO, at this present
moment...open to suggestions :)

One question I honestly have to ask myself is, if I was not in a comfort zone would I even be having
this discussion?...see Maslow’s Hierarchy of Human needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs).


05-29-2010, 11:23 PM

I have just read a post of yours which it may appear that I have (partially) almost plagiarised

How is that for Wyrd

Quoth Deviadah, in another thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1559&highlight=fault):

Let's assume (for a moment) that I'm 'wise' :eek:

Now, let's assume I opt to share some of my most secret wisdom on this forum.

In response, my shared wisdom gets bashed by forum members who are still in 'slave' mode.
(Although they'll vehemently argue the oppossite and ridicule my shared wisdom)

Only the slaves can free themselves. The silence of the wise is most probably not without reason.
The words of the wise are destroyers of worlds (read: comfort zone habits and beliefs).
No wonder the 'slaves' won't listen. Which slaves in their 'right' minds would want their worlds shattered?

However, I hope this will soon change, but not because of the wise coming forth by their own initiative.

Rather as a result of the increasing pressure of necessity, eventually reaching critical mass.


P.S. where does one find "comfort zone habits and beliefs"?

05-29-2010, 11:55 PM
How is that for Wyrd?

If I were Wyrd, I'd say:

"I hope it was as good for you as it was for me."


P.S. Where does one find "comfort zone habits and beliefs"?

Ironically, pretty close to where one finds his Prima Materia ;)