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Awani
06-03-2010, 04:41 AM
The beauty of the universe is: 1:1.68

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/Rozeta_Pary_notre-dame_chalger.jpg
Rayonnant rose window in Notre-Dame de Paris. Light was considered as the most beautiful revelation of God, as was manifested in Gothic architecture. - source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty)

Can light be measure with size (not strength)?

The golden ratio is an irrational number, and can't be represented as a simple fraction. Now I am not well versed in mathematical terminology but this must mean that the golden ratio is not fractal?

If this is the case please clear my confusion as I think fractals are very beautiful... or is it so that the union of the rational and the irrational = perfection?

:cool:

Albion
06-16-2010, 11:44 PM
http://www.i-pal.or.jp/blog/golden-rectangle.gif

On the fractal aspect of the golden rectangle [GR]:

“The golden rectangle and the golden ratio sometimes pop up in nature. But, this is usually far from an exact fit. To the right, we see a spiral which comes from the golden rectangle. We are told that this is very close to the shape of the shell of a chambered nautilus. This figure is self-similar, each part is similar to smaller parts and larger parts. This makes it a rudimentary fractal.”

“A final note about the GR involves fractals. Fractals are geometric forms that look the same no matter what the size scale. They are composed of repeating units that combine to make larger and similar units at larger scales. This property is called self-similarity, and it is also a fundamental property of nature and natural forms. Fractals also have a property called fractional symmetry, which means that the self-similar units are in non-integer fractional proportion to each other. The square is the self-similar shape that is repeated in the GR, and Φ is a non-integer proportionality ratio, so GR's qualify as basic fractals. All of the abstract images in my collages also contain fractal form elements, for example, coastlines and rock fractures have a fractal structure.”

“Dan Winter's thesis is that Fractal self similarity optimized by Golden Ratio - is the cause / condition of constructive charge collapse - and therefore the CAUSE and condition of GRAVITY. He predicts that the reason compression of electric field inertia can become acceleration of that field - equivalent to GRAVITY - is because Golden Ratio allows the constructive addition and multiplication of the wave phase velocities.”

Book by Dan Winter:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30797526/Dan-Winter-5th-Book-IMPLOSION-Secret-Science-of-Ecstasy-amp-Immortality-Conscious-Kids-Full
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On the rose window in the Chartres Cathedral & alchemists:

A great rose window, set in a gray stone wall of the Chartres Cathedral, casts ruby rays upon the polished floor of the revered twelfth century church. The jeweled light fills an immense religious space from the round window above, over 42 feet in diameter, divided into a twelve part lattice, each stained glass section depicting stories of ancient religious figures. Centered in a round frame is Mary holding the infant Jesus. Queen of Heaven, she reigns over the apostles and priests, kings and soldiers from the Old Testament. Which architect was inspired to create such a glorious attraction? This orifice would be said to magnify the sun, not God, as the center of life. It was designed, without quarrel, as a vortex to the sky.

This sacred geometry at Chartres and other magnificent cathedrals throughout the world has survived wars and weather to remind you that esoteric inspiration is not new to your century. The vortex of the rose window testifies, not to one prophet or queen, but to the cosmic truth of the church of Rome, in an attempt to elevate its purposes beyond the reach of human fingertips.

A vortex describes the equatorial plane of a sphere within its circling circumference which is often identified with the feminine, as it replicates and magnifies, nurtures and sustains. The esoteric view of this vortex of the feminine is that of power, raw power. Axial divisions in that plane describe stabilizing modifications of that power, primarily denoting law. Concentric orbital rings on that plane delegate power to action.

Every religion has an inner circle of keepers of the truths, an out circle of teachers, and an even greater circle of believers in the faith. These circles of people with their delegated power, support the center which is the church. The church is not a facility but an entity of mind. The builders and organizers of Medieval churches were far more interested in spreading the idealistic power of God's church on earth than in the exemplary teachings of the prophet Jesus. Above all, the church elitists wanted power, both spiritual and temporal. If power was their goal, then a grand vortex would do the job. Ironically, female believers in the faith, in those days, were not allowed to enter the part of the church into which the rose window was built. It can be said that the male religious teachers truly did regard the image of Mary as a symbol of the church itself, virgin, untainted by human feelings, unsoiled by female seductions.

The scintillating colors and grand structure of the rose windows of Europe's cathedrals are, eight centuries later, still a destination of masses of people, townsfolk and travelers, who are held spellbound by their history and beauty, who are willing to give up their dollars for the experience.

The story of sacred geometry came into Europe from the Middle East where traditions go back before recorded history. Many groups, among them Masons, tried to bring the sacred sciences from ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, preserved only in myths and crumbling documents until the dark ages of Europe. The Masons, a guild of builders and merchants, believed that government of the secular needed to be separate from church rule. They gathered what powers they could to fight an underground war with the church that lasted several centuries. In secret places and meetings sacred geometry was taught and records kept. Experiments in alchemy were clandestine as it was used to wage war on a powerful enemy.

Gradually, geometry, mathematics and science of chemistry became secularized, just as did the governments of Europe. From the deadly turmoil of misunderstanding, the alchemists and scholars stood up to oppose the shackles of church doctrine. They succeeded through an advanced knowledge of weaponry, plus the general decline of the Church of Rome. And today scientists are principally motivated economically and politically. Mechanisms of war still take priority. Yet, every scientist knows that truth is his goal and truth is what God is all about.

Because of democracy and freedom, secrecy is fading, education is blossoming. Knowledge about cosmic law and power can belong to everyone with an interest and a will to intensively study. Knowledge about the ST Fields is the essence of sacred geometry. Fields have been misunderstood all through your history because they are invisible. Very few ancient personages knew of them. Yet, the symbols of the fields were carried along with many ancient civilizations by scholars, high priests, leaders, teachers and artists.

What was hidden is now revealed. What was before the prerogative of the few will now belong to the people worldwide. The invisible power of the ST fields and the USUT fields is now presented to you at great risk and promise. The idea that matter is energy and energy is matter was evoked before you with the explosion of the first atomic bomb. Everyone had to know the power of the atom so that freedom and democracy could be maintained. As scientists and technicians are materialistically employed everywhere, the role of the alchemist changes. The alchemist is always in the lead; and this time the alchemist must lead civilizations away from a very disastrous materialistic course. The study of vortexes serves that end.

Vortexes will simultaneously replicate all signaled input and enlarge it. Vortexes divide themselves into dynamic, rhythmic wavelengths with unlimited harmonic designs. Every biological creation has use of multiple vortexes. Engineered with skill, a vortex has vast applications and capacitance.

Energy gain and creative replication happen in a vortex. It can be the primary tool of every scientist. A modern alchemist, however, needs to know the vortex as a dynamic biological tool within his own being. He must realize, learn to use, the inner circle within himself/herself.

- Alchemical Manual For this Millennium Chapter 5 - Vortex - An Inner Circle

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17072660/Alchemical-Manuel-Vol-1-2

horticult
06-17-2010, 12:05 PM
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its a fractal
its in pentagram

Albion
06-17-2010, 12:54 PM
http://www.fractal.org/Bewustzijns-Besturings-Model/Sacred-Geometry_files/pentagram_phi_proportions.gif

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/3-Chute.jpg

http://caltek.net/dan/connectivity/phibiz/conf1.gif

Giuwah
06-17-2010, 09:57 PM
THANKS so MUCH for posting the last picture Albion!!!

Albion
06-17-2010, 10:56 PM
It was taken from one of Dan Winter's books:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30795790/Dan-Winter-2nd-Book-Alphabet-of-the-EartHeart

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30796215/Dan-Winter-3rd-Book-Squeeze-Play-for-Fractal-Genes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30796488/Dan-Winter-4th-Book-Implosions-Grand-Attractor

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30797526/Dan-Winter-5th-Book-IMPLOSION-Secret-Science-of-Ecstasy-amp-Immortality-Conscious-Kids-Full

His books are a lot of fun [so well illustrated!] but I get the sense his work needs to be balanced and supplemented with the inclusion of other factors he consistently leaves out - although I suppose that could be said for anyone's work, insofar as it's our individual task to lay hold of new combinations.

But, in his (often successful) attempts to find beautiful and elegant common connecting principles, there is, when all is said and done, more than a little reductionism going on. I don't believe all of life can be reduced to geometry - let alone the PHI ratio, as he very nearly seems to be saying.

Glad if it served as a small catalyst/concept-pattern-connector for you, Giuwah. Speaking of which: Thanks to Deviadah for starting this thread. I had been wondering, the day before I read post #1, what the connection between fractals, PHI and vortexes might be [not that there isn't much more to this]. And I was reminded to look up the writings of Noel Huntley again:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noelh/index.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noelh/BasicModel_Part%20I.htm
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Giuwah
06-17-2010, 11:36 PM
It was taken from one of Dan Winter's books:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30795790/Dan-Winter-2nd-Book-Alphabet-of-the-EartHeart

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30796215/Dan-Winter-3rd-Book-Squeeze-Play-for-Fractal-Genes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30796488/Dan-Winter-4th-Book-Implosions-Grand-Attractor

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30797526/Dan-Winter-5th-Book-IMPLOSION-Secret-Science-of-Ecstasy-amp-Immortality-Conscious-Kids-Full

His books are a lot of fun [so well illustrated!] but I get the sense his work needs to be balanced and supplemented with the inclusion of other factors he leaves out - although I suppose that could be said for anyone's work, insofar as it's our individual task to lay hold of new combinations.

Glad if it served as a small catalyst/concept-pattern-connector for you, Giuwah. Speaking of which: Thanks to Deviadah for starting this thread. I had been wondering, the day before I read post #1, what the connection between fractals and vortexes might be. The work of Noel Huntley also touches upon this:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noelh/index.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~noelh/BasicModel_Part%20I.htm
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I'm trying to figure out basically if there is anything related to these patterns fractals and vortexes and we know as dimensions, wormholes, etc. My gut tells me yes, but I feel like I'm missing some mechanism..

Albion
06-18-2010, 12:44 AM
I'm trying to figure out basically if there is anything related to these patterns fractals and vortexes and we know as dimensions, wormholes, etc. My gut tells me yes, but I feel like I'm missing some mechanism..

By "relating" do you mean to include "related to your subjective experience of a state featuring additional dimensionality?"

The state in which cubes are perceived also includes the premise of supposed points and lines, time and space [simplistic rendition]. By extension, a higher dimensional perspective would continue to include those standard-issue perceptions - but with the addition of a higher or greater vantage point - of perhaps a greater subjective sphere [Sorry, I'm just making this up as I go].

So, my questions to you before I go look this up [I was just reading about this recently - not that books can tell you everything] are [and you needn't provide more than one answer]:

- What is your intended application?

- Are you looking for a conceptual bridge to aid in navigating your subjective experience?

- Do you want to send an overnight delivery to Alpha Centauri?

- Are you simply intellectually curious as to whether the same topological principles apply across the board throughout the universe[s] on all levels [which is reason enough]?

- What do you mean, or imagine, when you use the word 'dimension?'

- Do you just want to get away from it all :) - or enter into a broader context - with possibly greater responsibilities [and, yes, you'll still have to take out the trash] that puts life-as-you've-known-it into clearer perspective?

- Have you considered the possibility that, although some aspect of you might well be learning how to reach/expand into broader perspectives - given the nature of these things, some aspect [or greater portion, or potential format] of 'you' might necessarily always already be in those dimensions [of which your local conscious mind, more or less fixated on 4D matters as it is, may not generally be aware except in brief glimmers]?

- Or what?

Something I've noticed in my own life is that, often, the real reasons I was actually pursuing certain lines of inquiry were not the reasons I started out with or even had in mind along the way [Something like the expression of the French Mathematician, Physicist, and Philosopher, Blaise Pascal, who said : "The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of." But you could add to 'heart' the call of God, your higher self, &/or incipient seed of destiny, which all may work through the heart]. But you have to start with some sort of progressively-more-clearly-articulated sense of direction.

And it's not as If I already have the answers [And I know your questions aren't being directed just to me, in particular, anyway].
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Giuwah
06-18-2010, 04:43 AM
Albion thanks for your words.


- Have you considered the possibility that, although some aspect of you might well be learning how to reach/expand into broader perspectives - given the nature of these things, some aspect [or greater portion, or potential format] of 'you' might necessarily always already be in those dimensions [of which your local conscious mind, more or less fixated on 4D matters as it is, may not generally be aware except in brief glimmers]?


I am just trying to understand the Universe on my own. I have done research into mind alternating plants which the US has labeled as "Drugs". Drugs especially from plants like ayahuasca and other indigenous shamanistic plants DO alter your mind into parallel universes, especially the Bwiti of South America experienced a parallel universe that is half human half animal. Half human and half animal beings we have SEEN throughout prehistoric, indigenous, ancient cultures in their artwork. As an art student myself my professors tell me PAINT WHAT YOU SEE. FOR example there are many examples of this in Africa. Poisidon is half man half fish -mermen anyone? Alpha Centauri? A Centaur? Half human half horse? Half bird half human? Current dimension, 3D, we obviously have been manipulated and trained into being conscious of all things physical and material and can little else.
Accessing dimensions is that all spiritual (ha i first wrote spiral :O) or is there some kind of mumbo jumbo (lack of a better term :/) that we have that allows us to access dimensions? I'm not against spirituality at all I'm just curious if its been investigated on our planet yet...

solomon levi
06-18-2010, 07:18 AM
Spirituality is equally within as without - by which I mean that less dimensions can reflect progress on the path as well as greater dimensions.
After U.G. Krishnamurti "died" (ego-death) he reported that he perceived things in 2-d and that depth is given by the mind.

Just thought to throw that out there. ;)

sol

Albion
06-18-2010, 11:42 PM
Spirituality is equally within as without - by which I mean that less dimensions can reflect progress on the path as well as greater dimensions.
After U.G. Krishnamurti "died" (ego-death) he reported that he perceived things in 2-d and that depth is given by the mind.

Just thought to throw that out there. ;)

sol
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/8-cell.gif

Hypercube: 4D cube represented in 3D
No continually-definitive 'inside.'

http://www.ngawhetu.com/EBooks/ebooks1%20sample/Images/animated_sun_small2.gif


Insofar as our dynamic, non-dimensional center
[and implied sphere] operate with a mind that is
subordinated to the heart, in which any patterns
that do not serve life are recognized and undone
then one's individual identity, that of others, and
that of the greater whole, can be perceived/kept
as conscious factors in constructive play... Like
The semi-permeable membrane of a living cell.

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I don't know what U.G. might have meant by 2D. Covering one eye gives you 2D vision, strictly speaking. So I think he must have meant something else by it - perhaps an elemental, non-dimensional simplicity out of which mind fabricates structure - or something like that. He could be using the word differently than I tend to.

I like U.G. Krishnamurti, as a personality, [He seems to have been born to be the anti-particle of Jiddu Krishnamurti.] but his overall nihilism feels like a dead-end to me. He can be compared to an enzyme that effectually lyses any necrotic religious accretions - but beyond that, doesn't seem to go anywhere or offer anything particularly constructive. I understand that that is considered to be a type of enlightenment - but its stark, hopeless, impersonal aspect compels me to place it in the "sometimes-useful-but-not-a-contender-for-absolute" category. His books are, to me, like a gall bladder flush that might be truely therapeutic, if done, as required, on occasion - more so than being like a health food that would build up your system if ingested daily. Both have their place.

Thanks for 'throwing that out there.' I liked having it added to the mix of factors to consider.

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Andro
06-19-2010, 01:27 AM
I don't know what U.G. might have meant by 2D. Covering one eye gives you 2D vision, strictly speaking. So I think he must have meant something else by it.

Odin 'sacrificed' one eye in exchange for wisdom.

To me it sounds more like turning one eye inwards...

solomon levi
06-19-2010, 04:11 AM
I don't recall which book, or maybe it was a video, but he was looking at a street and the cars passing by, and said it was like a 2-d picture with no distance for him.

I can understand this. I think science agrees that depth is "created" by the brain's interpretation of what the two eyes perceive, (which is originally upside-down as well).
If you know UG, he was not that impressed by the brain. It doesn't reveal reality, that is. It interprets, stores memories, etc.

You can experience it yourself. I have.
Castaneda gave many exercises like this as well, called "not-doings".
For example, lay on the ground and stare up at the canopy of a tree
(preferably deciduous), and let your focus relax and gaze at the pieces of sky
coming between the leaves until you perceive a "tree made of sky".
He used exercises like these to enter the 2nd attention. I've verified it myself through practice.
One of my favorites is to gaze at a waterfall - find a rock or something behind it to fix your
focus on, but at the same time be aware of the water that is passing by, but don't let your
attention be carried away (don't let it follow the water). Again this involves unfocussing the eyes.
The water will appear to go in slow motion (in my experience) and kind of reveal fascinating patterns.
When you come to and refocus on your surroundings, everything will be rising up really quickly.
:) You may also become aware of where the water is coming from and where it is going to, perhaps
all the way to the ocean (again, something I've experienced).
There may be some danger in this, according to CC. But water is my element (cancer ;))

sol