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Ghislain
06-04-2010, 12:07 AM
Hi

In an earlier post by Aleilius he mentioned Hyperdimensional physics.

here

What is Hyperdimensionality or Hyperdimensional physics?

Is it a science and if so are there theories and if so what are they?

I have been trying to find an explanation for this in layman’s terms, but unfortunately unsuccessfully.

I once saw a YouTube clip about 2 dimensions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4&feature=related)...is this an extrapolation of that idea and if so is it all theory or are there some facts?

Thanks

Ghislain

Edit: In the clip the circle came into the three dimentional world and saw a whole new perspective.

What do you think we might see if we moved into a fourth?

Aleilius
06-04-2010, 01:39 AM
Hey, I believe RCH explains hyperdimensional physics very well. Although he kind of paints a picture of his own version, but for the most part, it explains what one needs to know to gain a general understanding of this subject.

Take a look at the link here: http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html.

This interview is interesting:

http://www.dennishollingsworth.us/archives/image/SaturnNASA_AP_468x397.jpg

Now ask yourself, what is really happening here? Why, and how is that hexagon/hexagram manifesting? This cannot be explained very easily without the use of hyperdimensional physics, and the geometrical nature of the building blocks of matter.

Next we can get into nuclear & quantum geometry:
http://blazelabs.com/magicnumbers.pdf
http://blazelabs.com/f-p-develop.asp
http://www.quantum-geometry.com/background.asp

vega33
06-04-2010, 02:29 AM
Now ask yourself, what is really happening here? Why, and how is that hexagon/hexagram manifesting? This cannot be explained very easily without the use of hyperdimensional physics, and the geometrical nature of the building blocks of matter.

Lots of things form hexagonal shapes, I don't think theres any need to invoke extra dimensions to explain it, at least in the physical sense. Think about snowflakes and the hexagonal fractals they exhibit merely as a result of the coherence of their hydrogen bonding matrix.

Aleilius
06-04-2010, 02:48 AM
Lots of things form hexagonal shapes, I don't think theres any need to invoke extra dimensions to explain it, at least in the physical sense. Think about snowflakes and the hexagonal fractals they exhibit merely as a result of the coherence of their hydrogen bonding matrix.

I cannot prove it to you, but it is my personal belief that this is the case. This hexagonal hyperdimensional signature isn't limited to the "coherence of their hydrogen bonding matrix." This can be seen throughout nature & the universe. Actually, I would say that the hexagonal formation of the coherent hydrogen bonding matrix is the direct result of hyperdimensional physics.

Did you read all the links I posted? Did you listen to the interviews I posted?

I also recommend listening to this interview (there are 8 parts): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzid6jVGuCo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzid6jVGuCo&feature=related)

Why do beehives utilize the hexagon? Ever thought about it? Sure, there could be a mundane answer, but there could also be an occult answer.

Source: http://www.halexandria.org/dward118.htm

Nevertheless, <http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html> is worth reviewing in detail (including its some five or six detailed, elaborate webpages). Hoagland notes, among many other things, that the anomalous energy being radiated by the giant planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune can be explained by Hyperdimensional Physics. In essence, these planets’ energy output is “over unity”, i.e. they are giving off more energy than is being absorbed from the Sun energy impinging upon them. Furthermore, when Uranus and Neptune are “normalized” (i.e. their different distances from the Sun are taken into account), these two planets are roughly equal in their output. Hoagland then explains that all of this can be accounted for if we assume:

In one of the interviews it was mentioned that at the very center of Saturn energy is manifesting from another dimension.

http://www.gogeometry.com/geometry/hexagon_nature_perfect_shape.htm
http://threesixty360.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/hexagons-in-nature-the-giants-causeway/

Consider benzene, and how it is often the foundation of organic molecules.

Also consider the "star" formation that forms in the antimony regulus process. Why is it forming? What is the significance? Sure, purity is part of the answer, but it cannot merely be easily explained to any satisfactory degree.

"The term 'starred' was here employed by Newton in its most literal sense. For if the antimony has been properly purified as in this instance, it forms long and slender crystals. During cooling the crystals in turn form triangular branches around a central point, taking on the aspect of a silver star." - http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/n/newton.html

"... cause when life is awakened you get a different level of antimony, from here on it crystallizes according to this level. It's the hexagonal (form) and it's the star you can see in the Regulus." - http://www.alchemywebsite.com/pon-02.html

Aleilius
06-04-2010, 04:41 AM
This is one of the supposed nuclear structures for gold:

Doesn't the supposed nuclear structure for gold remind you of something? Perhaps this:

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/hyperdimensionalhexagram.jpg

vega33
06-04-2010, 05:48 AM
I cannot prove it to you, but it is my personal belief that this is the case. This hexagonal hyperdimensional signature isn't limited to the "coherence of their hydrogen bonding matrix." This can be seen throughout nature & the universe. Actually, I would say that the hexagonal formation of the coherent hydrogen bonding matrix is the direct result of hyperdimensional physics.

Did you read all the links I posted? Did you listen to the interviews I posted?

I used to be a Hoagland fan back in the day, heard him on Art Bell a lot, went to his website, saw the Mars mission stuff when it first came out. Its entertaining stuff and easy to go along with... whenever something is presented with a conspiracy angle it tends to absolve one from critical thinking (note I'm not saying you haven't thought his work through here, only that this tends to be the usual way people approach his work).

The thing is though, multiple dimensions beyond 3 or 4 are a mathematical abstraction. You can for instance distinguish out to in as a dimension, or a continuum between spirit and matter as a dimension, any continuum that represents a quality or quantity/location can be mapped onto a dimension. However, for the purposes of normal discussion, most people tend to look at dimension as a spatial characteristic, and to map a non spatial continuum as if it were a spatial continuum often merely creates confusion.

In one of the interviews it was mentioned that at the very center of Saturn energy is manifesting from another dimension.

OK, how do you define that dimension? What is the spatial movement or alteration of an object in space time you believe is happening to create the hexagon?

Also consider the "star" formation that forms in the antimony regulus process. Why is it forming? What is the significance? Sure, purity is part of the answer, but it cannot merely be easily explained to any satisfactory degree.

"The term 'starred' was here employed by Newton in its most literal sense. For if the antimony has been properly purified as in this instance, it forms long and slender crystals. During cooling the crystals in turn form triangular branches around a central point, taking on the aspect of a silver star." - http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/n/newton.html

"... cause when life is awakened you get a different level of antimony, from here on it crystallizes according to this level. It's the hexagonal (form) and it's the star you can see in the Regulus." - http://www.alchemywebsite.com/pon-02.html

Sure, there is sacred geometrical significance to such chemical events. In my experience though, when higher dimensions are used in mathematics, its merely a way of getting out of answering the question of what exactly is going on. You can create a mathematical abstraction in 10 dimensions to explain reality, but the real question is what do these 10 continuums represent, and how do they interrelate? In mathematics, imaginary numbers, quaternions etc, all have their own methods of multiplication and addition, etc, ways they transform one another. But if an n-dimensional model is to have any usefulness to us, we must frame it in terms of our reality of 3 dimensions of space and one dimension of time, correlated with whatever the other continuums such as energy represent. Using a mathematical abstraction often merely confuses what is being described. In facr if I was to posit a conspiracy in science that has evolved in the past century or so, it would be the use of complex mathematics to mask the elegantly simple nature of the universe from the common man, and to place the power of manipulating society in the hands of the obscure few who can speak this priestly language..

Aleilius
06-04-2010, 05:59 AM
Hi vega33, you bring up too many good points for me to mention. I'm afraid that I do not know the answers. These are the great questions that eludes man, or at the very least: I am still thinking. :)

Ghislain
06-04-2010, 02:36 PM
The clips sound like something created for a shopping channel selling RCH’s CD’s, presentations and
web page.

If there is information out there and it is believed to be repressed I would need to know why would
anyone want to suppress it? Also how would they manage this in a world so full of free
communication? One would think that decent provable information would be leaked...each of us have
their own hidden agendas. There has to be one person in every group that believes the public
is better served with full information. Or am I a little naive? :(

The only reason I could imagine NASSA would have for not publishing photographic material is that
other countries would get this info for free without the expense of the space missions. What other
reason might there be? That seems a fair reason too...perhaps sell the info then release it.

manager to close the window. I tried the link numerous times, but no joy.

The link to ‘ Earthlink.net’ was information overload and as I am not a chemist or nuclear physicist I
could not understand the relevance of what was being proffered. I tried to read the last few
paragraphs hoping it would be a conclusion to previous text and it mentioned "static nuclear
theory" which when searched for on the net brought about just one result...Earthlink.net
I have a problem when information only comes from one source. Anyone with a fair knowledge of
an obscure science can write a convincing article that can be completely free from any reality. Many
witch doctors and puffers used similar practices.

In the article about the hexagon on Saturn’s North Pole RCH states that the hexagon phenomenon is
not present in the South Pole. Below are links to possible explanations.

Explanation of events at Saturn’s South Pole. (http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=4egjus1n&pf=YES)
Article ends with, “The primary energy source in the universe has been overlooked.”

Explanation of events at Saturn’s North Pole. (http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/04/saturns-strange-hexagon-recreate.html)
Article ends with,“Although the lab experiment does not explain what force is driving this particular jet stream”

Both articles are devoid of a hard fact explanation to the source of these phenomena, but though there is no explanation
of the source driving these particular phenomena it takes a large leap of faith to take it into another dimension when there
is no explanation of what this other dimension even consists of.

most people tend to look at dimension as a spatial characteristic
Could a fourth dimension be a direction that connects other separate three dimensional worlds?

How would the ‘circle’, in the first post YouTube link, explain the third dimension without experiencing it?

Did radiation not detectable by human senses alone only come into existence when it was physically proved?

Is Hyperdymensional Physics just a makeshift explanation of later to be found mathematical facts
within the third dimensional world?

Why do beehives utilize the hexagon?

It may be to do with it being an optimal shape for strength and efficiency.

As difficult as they were to follow, thanks for the links Aleilius. Is food for thought

Ghislain

Edit: I have read and re-read many articles on Quantum Physics and still have just above zero understanding of it.
If you understand this Aleilius I have to take my hat off to you.

vega33
06-04-2010, 08:50 PM
Explanation of events at Saturn’s South Pole. (http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=4egjus1n&pf=YES)
Article ends with, “The primary energy source in the universe has been overlooked.”

This would link in with my personal pet theory. Like Leedskalnin who disbelieved in the existence of the electron, and Ighina who thought that scientists have an incorrect picture of the atom, both of them had a similar reasoning for their rejection: observation of such negatively entropic systems by techniques of bombardment perturbs them, alters their shape temporarily. You don't observe a fast moving object by speeding it up, why then would you bombard an atom with light or magnetic fields in an attempt to analyze it? Leedskalnin in fact claimed that the electron was an abnormal condition of the atom. Ighina tried to observe the atom by slowing down its level of vibration, by surrounding it by canals of other atoms which absorbed different frequencies of light. Light bombarding a body will tend to excite it.

The idea can be generalized into something along the lines of Heisenberg's uncertainty theory... observation often demands interaction in the case of things so small, and what you will see is the interaction of the object with your machine, not the object in its normal state. Similar case with other negatively entropic systems where there is tight communication between apparent parts. We can go so far with invasive tools to analyze a person's condition - barium meals, x-rays, MRIs etc... but what we end up with is like a photographic negative, a mirror image, and one that doesn't take into account those aspects that can't be measured well without disrupting them (such as biophotons, communication between cells/organs). This doesn't mean the unmeasurable aspects aren't there, but it does mean there are things about life that may be measurable only by extremely subtle methods, or through inference of conclusions from experiment. Perhaps these "unmeasurable aspects" are what alchemy tries to discover.

The purpose of this long statement is to try to explain that where sciences like astronomy/cosmology come up with ideas like "dark matter" to satisfy their mass equations, there may be hidden forces or hidden variables at work, things not taken into account, inconsistencies in the equations. We often assume modern physics to be infallible because it allows us to run our refrigerator, our tv and our computer without problems, but being able to model something mathematically and predict results doesn't mean direct experience or understanding of the thing-in-itself. So how does one measure things like orgone energy? How does one measure whats going on at Saturn's poles? Well, you look for what you missed in your lab model. Ask what is present in space that isn't present in the lab. The answer may be as simple as taking the planet's mass/rotation into account, or the ionic winds from the sun, or some other energy.source that its capturing.

I believe RCH pointed this out when he looked at the inconsistencies with Jupiter seemingly putting out more energy than it got in. Unfortunately, his answer was energy coming from other dimensions, not that our science had overlooked something or might not be entirely correct. My own answer would involve negatively entropic, formative forces, which occur at the poles because vortices, rotation tends to create or channel form. I'd suspect that answering the question of what causes such bodies to rotate would answer what causes the hexagon.