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Awani
06-05-2010, 11:33 PM
A fellow member, Sleeveless (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?u=15), directed me to this:

http://www.wingmakers.com/


The WingMakers' material is very deep and very broad. It has been carefully planned and executed to be delivered in an envelop of uncertainty, which is to say, there will be many reasons to doubt its validity and the source from which it came. This is part of its design. It will be exactly eleven years (2011) before its full depth and breadth will be known. - source (http://www.wingmakers.com/faqs.html)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/chamber24hr.jpg

Have a look and judge yourselves!

:cool:

Albion
06-06-2010, 12:40 PM
I enjoy returning to the Wingmakers material now & again.

I especially appreciate the emphasis on the heart virtues, as elaborated upon in this article:

http://eventtemples.com/downloads/pdf/Living_from_the_Heart_(p).pdf

From the transcript of an interview with James:

"11:38. Seekers are often in search of the escalating complexity because the esoteric is static. If I see someone who is practicing the six heart virtues to the best of their ability they are, in my view, a greater master on earth than the one who quotes the highest formulations of Spirit or speaks the elegance of Jesus, or Mohammed, or Krishna, or Buddha, or practices meditation every day, but then radiates discordant behaviors or thoughts.

The universe has an incentive system—it’s called evolution—and so we understand that when we look at those things that have evolved into sophisticated techniques or organizations, and we imbue them with greater importance than those things that have not evolved and are simple, even innocent in comparison.

But the six heart virtues, living a love-centered life while disconnected from the evolutionary track of spiritual knowledge, are paradoxically among the most potent forms of truth for this particular time in humanity’s evolution."

There are a lot of documents:

http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads.html [scroll down for French, etc.]

http://www.wingmakers.com/whats-new.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10270339/15-Combined-PDFs-Into-One-From-Wing-Makers [text clears up upon downloading]

Something I just discovered which is neither listed on nor linked from the Wingmakers site:

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf

I don't take the material as being so much a system to believe in, whole-cloth [I disagree strongly with some recent propositions especially], but more of a catalyst, or potential Ariadne's thread [if one does not get too tangled up with it]. Sophisticated, creatively presented food for thought. Not "New Age." And the old "hoax" charges are untenable, IMO. Outdated in the light of subsequent interviews.

From the Glossary:

Models of Existence

There are two dominant models of existence that shape the interaction and destiny of the human race. These models of existence are:

• The Evolution/Saviorship model
• The Transformation/Mastership model

Each human is developing their belief system from one or both of these models of existence. The evolution/saviorship model is the dominant model that is promulgated by the Hierarchy. Its basic tenets are that life evolves through the Hierarchy's teacher/student methodology, and that various teachers (saviors) are presented to the human race that enables sub-hierarchies to develop and control information. In so doing, individuals are disempowered and disconnected from their sovereignty. The underlying equation of the evolution/saviorship model of existence is:

human instrument + Hierarchy = God connection through saviorship.

In the case of the transformation/mastership model of existence, its principle tenets are that the entity is limitless, deathless, and sovereign. All information flows from Source Intelligence to the entity, and, it is therefore the responsibility of the entity to become self-enlightened and self-liberated by attuning itself to Source Intelligence and "detuning" itself from the Hierarchy. Each becomes their own master, and each transforms from a human being to a Sovereign Integral within the cradle of time and space. The underlying equation of the transformation/mastership model of existence is:

Entity + Source Intelligence = First Source equality.

One of the challenges of the individual is to recognize these two dominant models of existence and integrate them in order to design a synthesis model. The synthesis model is slowly emerging on terra-earth, and with high probability, will ultimately become the dominant model of existence in this universe. It will be the model of existence that is best able to unify consciousness without impinging on the sovereignty of the entity and First Source. It will allow the entity to be the vibrant container of Source Intelligence and explore new fields of vibration as a fully conscious outpost of First Source.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________

solomon levi
06-13-2010, 12:53 AM
I read the info years ago and liked it very much.
I was reminded of it again lately as I read "Sacred symbols of the Dogon"
(as mentioned in another thread). The way they see the creation of the universe
or matter so vividly reminded me of the guy who could manifest from the ether
after being shown, technologically, how it emerges from the void.

Joy
06-13-2010, 09:56 AM
The picture above is sure beautiful, but a human painting, not from
out of space. Since I study symbolic art and paint myself I can ony say,
they have taken the below and brought it in space, which is ok with me,
because the whole wingmakers site is a peace of art ... but human art.

What are your thoughts about it?

Albion
06-13-2010, 11:51 AM
I read the info years ago and liked it very much.
I was reminded of it again lately as I read "Sacred symbols of the Dogon"
(as mentioned in another thread). The way they see the creation of the universe
or matter so vividly reminded me of the guy who could manifest from the ether
after being shown, technologically, how it emerges from the void.

That's wyrd... Yesterday I was watching the video series "The Pyramid Code" in which Laird Scranton, author of "Sacred Symbols of the Dogon" was featured numerous times [many fine contributions from an Egyption "Wisdom Keeper" throughout the videos as well]. I thought it was fascinating that he [Scranton] had supposedly connected the hieroglyphs and language of the Egyptians to that of the Dogon, and had meant to look up his writings so as to guage their relative veracity.

Episode 1: The Band of Peace
http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/3917AFBAE0CD425FA684A1F2352D3A1B/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

Episode 2: High Level Technology
http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/5A0C017FB07847F38F49C549E977C747/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

Episode 3: Sacred Cosmology
http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/9A60D46035DA428095D4DB7E5F8AB671/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

Episode 4/1: The Empowered Human
http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/9C652009197345099F05EB0975BAB00F/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

Episode 4/2:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/E806AB288AAD40A4AD5AF07B17C0609A/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

Episode 5/1: A New Chronology
http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/1796099B90DF49F5BFB4042BFA8BF455/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

Episode 5/2: http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/6A122EBF11E0489C95FB96AEA10D71DE/the-pyramid-code-2009-epis.aspx

YouTube interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9-XIHsjec


...reminded me of the guy who could manifest from the ether
after being shown, technologically, how it emerges from the void.

Are you referrring here to an incident related in "The Ancient Arrow Project" book? http://www.scribd.com/doc/9327475/Ancient-Arrow-Project-Barnes-Noble-Version-Final-8-Additional-Chapters
From what I have been given to understand, in my tentative L**M research, manifestation "out of thin air" is supposedly facilitated to the degree one has information about the item/substance in question. This subject was moving toward one of my front burners. Thanks.

___________________________________________
Joy - I'll have a response to your post [not meaning to imply that you were directing it specifically to me] - but it may take awhile to put it together.

solomon levi
06-13-2010, 07:55 PM
Are you referrring here to an incident related in "The Ancient Arrow Project" book? http://www.scribd.com/doc/9327475/Ancient-Arrow-Project-Barnes-Noble-Version-Final-8-Additional-Chapters
From what I have been given to understand, in my tentative L**M research, manifestation "out of thin air" is supposedly facilitated to the degree one has information about the item/substance in question. This subject was moving toward one of my front burners. Thanks.



Hi Albion.
I'm not sure. That sounds real familiar. As I said it was years ago, over 10,
when I read Wingmakers stuff. There was a part of it that was an interview
with this guy who could manifest because he saw how creation happened
through government and/or alien technology. The interviewer asks him
to manifest some money and he does it, to cover her trip or expenses
while interviewing him. Sound familiar?

Why does Ancient Arrow sound familiar to me? Was that on the Wingmakers site?

I flipped through the book on scribd. Vaguely familiar. The manifestation part just
stuck with me as it was something I had been practicing myself.

sol

Albion
06-14-2010, 05:09 PM
The picture above is sure beautiful, but a human painting, not from
out of space. Since I study symbolic art and paint myself I can ony say,
they have taken the below and brought it in space, which is ok with me,
because the whole wingmakers site is a peace of art ... but human art.

What are your thoughts about it?


There are really two sets of art featured on Wingmakers. The first set of 24 paintings, are purportedly a 2D rendition of “living” works of art which he supposedly witnessed in a “Tributory Zone” as depicted in the “Meditations in TimeSpace Video” a brief sample of which can be accessed toward the bottom of this page: http://www.wingmakers.com/downloads.html

I have heard of one other person who saw living art like this. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but since that other person [whose primary path is esoteric sun gazing practices] has a website which sells products, I cannot be completely certain that he is not attempting to make the connection to Wingmaker-fans so as to possibly sell products. But he may well be telling the truth. Below is a possibly relevant passage taken from “James Questions and Answers - Session 1“:

__________________________________________________ ________________________________________

http://www.wingmakers.com/jamesqa.html

“Question 2: My question is, if there is one painting per chamber and 23 (24) chambers, where did the extra artwork, etc., come from?

There are seven Tributary Zones of which I am translating from a dimension of time and space that originates -- speaking symbolically -- from a nonhuman section of the time/space continuum. The Ancient Arrow site is one of these seven "interdimensional" sites, which has been translated into human terms (sensory information that can be received and processed by the thalamocortical system) and distributed in various forms (CD, web, etc). In the case of the Ancient Arrow site, there are 24 chambers because this site is concerned with the genetic architecture of the neuroanatomical human structure. This site in encoded with information specific to genetics, thus its structure takes on the form of a single helix with the chambers symbolic of the dormant, yet-to-be-activated protein clusters that will shift consciousness to a six-sensory human existence.

In the second section of the book, which will be released next year, the 24th chamber will be better understood. There is also a philosophy paper that will help clarify the genetic symbolism of the Ancient Arrow site. Furthermore, the 24th Chamber Painting will be released before the end of July 2001; it is a significant piece of this puzzle.[Note: This is the painting shown in post #1]

The remaining six sites are of a different symbolic structure than the Ancient Arrow site, and yet there are certain similarities. All of them have a synthesis of art, music, poetry, language, science, and philosophy because this is the nature of the Tributary Zones. Some sites have a greater emphasis on music than poetry, or art rather than science. It varies depending on the symbolic focus of the Tributary Zone. Collectively the seven Tributary Zones, when strung like pearls, reveal the essential innovations that will be required in order to discover the Grand Portal.
I would recommend that anyone interested in knowing more about the structure of these sites should read the eighth chapter of the Ancient Arrow book and Chamber four philosophy paper.

Question 3: Do you think that something akin to "The WingMakers" inspired you to create this Myth, or are you just lonely and a little bored?

I was not inspired to create the WingMakers' mythology; I was commissioned to perform this specific task. No one requires inspiration to carry out a task required of them by the very nature of their purpose as a life form. Further, I did not create a myth; I translated a Tributary Zone into a sensory data stream that can catalyze the human thalamocortical system to awaken its innate connection to the Genetic Mind. I refer to it as a mythology only because I must convey -- in good conscience -- that the material is not completely factual.”
__________________________________________________ ________________________________________

The balance of the artwork featured on the Wingmakers sites are by James - and he says as much. He is not claiming that these are of “alien” origin, as such [although the "Wingmakers" are not exactly "alien" in the generally accepted sense of the word]. So I would agree with your intuition in this regard.

Wingmakers/James freely admits that there are mythological elements woven through the material because myth, as all Alchemists know, is often the optimal form for presenting truth. Not to say there are not clear, explicate facts presented as well. But it’s the overall effect that James seems to be after. To what extent he is actually translating material that is of central value and verity is best judged by the individual. I like much of it - and disagree with some of it, but if it has had an intended positive effect on me, in passing, then I’m glad to have worked through it all. I don't expect to find all the answers in one place - but James doesn't really seem to be attempting to create a personality cult or a spiritual one-stop-shopping mart [not that that doesn't stop some people from attempting to make a religion out of it]. I don't believe that anyone, however much they may favor one presentation, can forever evade the personal responsibility of at least somewhat cutting their own unique path through life - both because this adds to the wealth of the whole and because one can only be led so far. Even so great a one as Yeshua (whom James does not blithely dismiss) will attempt to bring their followers to a point at which they must individually lay hold of what being an offspring of God [for example] might mean in their case -well beyond conventional religious elements, of course. I see James as being a cartographer of sorts [some maps being better, or more useful, than others]- but not one who, in general, attempts to lead anyone into baffles diverging from the glory that is always already our deeper reality.

I agree that the whole site [including the music CDs] is a work of art of high calibre.
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Albion
06-14-2010, 07:25 PM
Hi Albion.
I'm not sure. That sounds real familiar. As I said it was years ago, over 10,
when I read Wingmakers stuff. There was a part of it that was an interview
with this guy who could manifest because he saw how creation happened
through government and/or alien technology. The interviewer asks him
to manifest some money and he does it, to cover her trip or expenses
while interviewing him. Sound familiar?

Why does Ancient Arrow sound familiar to me? Was that on the Wingmakers site?

I flipped through the book on scribd. Vaguely familiar. The manifestation part just
stuck with me as it was something I had been practicing myself.

sol

Found it...

Neruda Interviews / Interview 2

http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda2.html

...and this [in regards to your current interest in the Dogon tribe] from "The Ancient Arrow Project" page 410:

"“No one knows exactly who they are,” he replied. “There’re a few ancient scripts that refer to them. The Sumerian, Mayan, and Dogon cultures all had interactions with these beings that were recorded. We have the original texts in our database, and there’re a few contemporary, channeled manuscripts that refer to them as well."

Joy
06-18-2010, 08:00 PM
Thanks Albion, for the work you put in this topic.

It will take a while, till I worked myself thru all the material placed on that side.

This made sence to me spoken by James:

The wingmakers incarnate as humans from time to time in order to bring teachings
directly to human beings ... help to shift conciousness.

The teaching order, which I present is not known in your world.

The information came thru a form of remote viewing ... ( aha !!!)

................
hmmm ... the wingmakers have a kind of own language, just like the alchemists,
which has to be encoded and translated by James.

As I learned myself... the universal language are symbols and pictures.
The data..stream he speaks from, can open also to us, once we learn how to tune in.

A short while ago I started to read an interview with Dr. Neruda and my mind got
messed up ... this man has an interesting life, he lives with us, but in a different
reality. This the way life is, we share ist, but often in different realities.

Joy
06-18-2010, 08:10 PM
Now , when I try to translate the symbolic meanings of James:


" Once the seven tribunal zones are discovered, mankind will awaken
to the Grand Portal"

The seven tribunal zones and the Grand Portal... can it be he means the
latter of the planets, the seven operations and the Grand Portal ... the stone?

The old sages which incarnate .... they often use new clothes for the widom tales.

The love ... the heart .. the awakening ... sure these words are used by all.!!!

solomon levi
06-19-2010, 03:46 AM
Thanks Albion! That's the one.

"This is the very nature of BST, you start with a blank slate and re-invent, re-formulate, and recreate the consciousness of matter."

Sarah: "Slow down--you just lost me. The consciousness of matter?"

Dr. Neruda: "Remember what I said earlier about quantum objects and how they're influenced by consciousness?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "Quantum objects become increasingly granular or refined until they become pure light energy and cease to have mass. They are not of physical reality, but rather of a pure-state energy. This energy is further segmented into octaves of vibration. In other words, this light energy vibrates, and just like music, there are fundamentals and harmonics. The harmonics resonate with the fundamental energy vibration and the whole energy packet sings like a choir--except its voice is light.

"This singing, if you will, is the equivalent of a consciousness that pervades all matter--every physical object in the entire universe. Fifteen has successfully proven this all-pervasive consciousness or what he calls the Light-Encoded Reality Matrix or LERM, for those of us who like shorthand. Any way, LERM is just one of the new theorems that were required in order to devise a way to prove that BST was indeed a possibility, and not just a fanciful vision inside the mind of Fifteen."

Sarah: "This all-pervasive consciousness you mentioned, are you really talking about spirit or God?"

Dr. Neruda: "Exactly."............

Sarah: "I still don't see the connection between LERM and BST?"

Dr. Neruda: "You see, if matter ultimately dissolves into octaves of light, and light dissolves into octaves of consciousness, and consciousness dissolves into octaves of reality, then matter, light, consciousness, and reality are all interdependent like an ecosystem. And like an ecosystem, if you change one element you affect the whole. Isolating any of the elements contained within LERM, and changing it, it can change reality. And this is a fundamental construct of BST. Does that answer your question?"........

Sarah: "So we're back to the shadow of God discussion--or LERM as you affectionately call it. Why is the understanding of LERM so fundamental to achieving BST?"

Dr. Neruda: "Because LERM is the equivalent of genetics for consciousness, and consciousness is the equivalent of reality formulation for sentient beings. So if LERM is understood, one understands the causal system that operates in non-time and non-space, which fundamentally constructs the reality framework of space, time, energy, and matter. Quantum objects operating in the construct of LERM have an existence that is entirely different from macro objects like this table or chair.

Quantum objects -- in their true state -- have never been seen by a human. Scientists have witnessed the effects and some of the properties of quantum objects, but their causal nature is not visible through scientific instruments--no matter how powerful they are, because scientific instruments are physical and therefore have a relationship to space and time. Whereas quantum objects have no relationship to time and space other than through an observer."

Sarah: "So you're saying that the building blocks of matter -- these quantum objects -- have no existence unless someone is observing them--that consciousness makes them appear real and fixed in time and space? Is that what you're saying?"

Dr. Neruda: In a way, but not exactly. Let me try and explain it like this. Consciousness stems or originates from non-time and non-space as a form of energy that is a basic building block of LERM. Consciousness becomes localized as it becomes physical. In other words, consciousness becomes human, or animal, or plant or some object that has physical characteristics. Are you with me so far?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "Good. As consciousness becomes a localized physical object, it essentially orchestrates LERM to conform to a reality matrix that has been encoded into the genetic or physical properties of the object it has become. In other words, consciousness moves from non-space and non-time to become matter, and then it orchestrates LERM to produce a physical reality consistent to the encoded genetic properties of the physical object it has become. If that object is a human being, then the genetic triggers that are uniquely human become the tools of consciousness from which it constructs its reality.

"LERM is essentially an infinite field of possibilities, or, as Aristotle referred to it, Potentia. This Potentia is like fertile soil from which physical objects are created. Those who can orchestrate LERM through the application of their consciousness are able to manifest reality and not simply react to it. This manifestation can be instantaneous because again, quantum objects originate in non-time and non-space."

Sarah: "Not to get overly religious here, but what you're really talking about is what Jesus or other prophets have done--essentially manifest things like turning water to wine or curing the sick. Right?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. It's the same principle only I've described it instead of performed it. It's much easier to perform than describe."

Sarah: "So now you're going to tell me you can turn water into wine?"

Dr. Neruda: "Actually I've never tried that before, but yes, all of the members of the Labyrinth Group can manifest physical objects from out of LERM. This was actually one of the outcomes of Fifteen's discovery. The process of orchestrating LERM and manifesting physical objects on demand."

Sarah: "Okay, now you've definitely got my interest, but I'm feeling a little guilty because I swore I was going to stay on the subject of the WingMakers and the Ancient Arrow project. So tell me, can you teach me how to manifest things out of thin air?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but it would take some time--probably a few weeks or so."

Sarah: "Can you show me some examples of how you do it?"

Dr. Neruda: "How's this?"

Sarah: "For purposes of those reading these transcripts. Dr. Neruda just made a ball of twine appear out of no where. He just made it disappear as well. Now it has reappeared again. This is incredible. He's not holding it, so it's not like a magician who's making this appear from his sleeve or from behind his hands somehow. It's quite literally appearing and disappearing on a table about three feet in front of him, which is about six feet away from me. I can see it all very clearly.

"I'm picking up the ball of string and it's definitely a physical object--not simply a mirage or--or hologram. It has all the normal properties--weight--texture--it's slightly warm to the touch, but in every other respect, it's exactly how I'd expect a ball of twine to feel.

"Can you make something else appear--something more complicated, like a million dollars in cash?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Okay, let's see it."

Dr. Neruda: "You see this is the problem with these discoveries and capabilities. If I produced a million dollars in cash right now, you'd have a dilemma. What to do with a million dollars? Could you bear to see me make it disappear as easily as I make it appear?"

Sarah: "Are you crazy? Since the first moment I met you, I've never believed in what you've said until now. And I'm not even saying I totally believe you even now, but I'm a hell of a lot closer. I--no, people in general, need to see things with our eyes. We need to believe in what our eyes tell us because they -- of all the senses -- seem to have a fix on reality. And you've finally shown me something that is tangible--that my eyes relate to. I'm just asking for one more confirmation of your abilities. I mean, a ball of string doesn't seem like such a huge deal--not that I'm not impressed. But if you could produce a million dollars in cash--now that's a huge deal."

Dr. Neruda: "And the dilemma?"

Sarah: "Okay, I have a proposition for you. I'm going to need to quit my job for at least a few months to get this story out to the public and maybe even relocate or move underground somewhat. What if I kept just ten thousand dollars to help me through the next two months? Could that work for you?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, I could do that."

Sarah: "I'm now looking at a loose pile of $100 bills that appear to be perfect replicas. I'm touching them--again they feel slightly warm to the touch, but these would definitely pass as the real thing--wow--I can't believe it. But this can't be a million dollars, you only manifested $10,000 didn't you?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, give or take a few hundred dollars."

Sarah: "You do realize that you just undermined your own credibility to those who will read this transcript. You just made yourself unbelievable. I'm not even sure I should include this because no one will be believe it anyway, and it may instead hurt your credibility in all the other areas of our discussion. This is truly not a believable experience unless you see it with your own eyes. What should I do?"

Dr. Neruda: "Sarah, whether any one believes me isn't important. No one believes anything anyway unless they experience it, and even then, most people fall back into doubt. Belief is short-lived and always questioned; as it should be. Even the most devote believer is in doubt most of the time, regardless of what they say. So don't worry about whether this impairs my credibility or not. I don't care. It doesn't matter because I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm only trying to get information about the WingMakers to people who can make their own determination of what is true and believable."........

Sarah: "Why do you refer to it as a technology? It seems to me that it's a mental thing. You weren't using anything other than your mind were you?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's a technology only from the standpoint of understanding the mental process. There's nothing electronic or mechanical if that's what you mean. But it's more than mind control. It's really a belief in LERM and its unerringly perfect processes of creation -- moving quantum objects from non-space and non-time to the world of matter in our time and space. It's more closely related to faith than technology--as odd as that may sound."

Sarah: "Actually, I was figuring that if Jesus and others who've walked the earth could do these things thousands of years ago, it must not have much to do with technology. But when you see it happen with your own eyes, you have a tendency to think there's some technology behind the scenes that's doing it. That it couldn't just be a natural power of humans--that doesn't seem possible to me for some reason."

Dr. Neruda: "I understand, but nonetheless, it's really a matter of perspective, and once you have the perspective on LERM and it becomes a fundamental construct of your belief system, it becomes amazingly easy to do this. It's a little like a sophisticated optical illusion based on a hologram that takes you several months of concentrating to see the picture that is subtly embedded, but the moment you see it, you can instantly see it the rest of your life without effort. That's how this operates. Some people can pick it up in a matter of a few days, others require hundreds of hours, but what everyone has in common is that once you get it, it becomes as natural as breathing."

Sarah: "And you think you could teach me in a matter of a few weeks, when it took some of your colleagues -- with genius IQs, I might add -- hundreds of hours to learn the technique?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's not related to IQ. It's related to understanding and belief. The understanding comes from seeing the existence of LERM and understanding how it operates at its fundamental level. Whether you have an average intelligence or are a genius, it doesn't matter, so long as you understand and believe what you understand."

Sarah: "So how do you get me to believe in LERM?"

Dr. Neruda: "You already do deep inside you. It's your conscious mind that rejects your deeper belief and understanding. So I would help you to consciously understand what you already know at a deeper level of your being. And I would do this by showing you LERM."



If you (anyone) haven't read the interview, please do. I select these
portions because it is a great interest of mine. ;)

sol

LeoRetilus
06-19-2010, 04:59 AM
This is the mechanism for how people throughout history like Sai Baba have been able to manifest anything from the aether, in this case ok, they call it the LERM, but I'm not comfortable with drawn out names and acronyms, everybody that thinks they have discovered/rediscovered the existence of the aether through out time has given it a different name. It also explains how things like rocks, golfballs, meat, blood and starfish can spontaneously fall from the sky (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=7710&highlight=cloudy+chance#post7710). Consciousness, m-state, the aetheric counterpart of gold. When Sethchin translated his portion of the Sumarian cuniform tablets he said the Annunaki came here to mine gold, he meant aetheric gold, he said they needed it to repair their planet, because living planets tote an aetheric field around with them, it is responsible for life and the continuation of it.

Joy
06-20-2010, 08:59 AM
Solomon,

This part of the interview I did not now till now, some of it touched me,
so I think now I will follow the wingmakers teachings as a side quest and
work myself to the essence of it, in case I can grasp all.

Albion
06-23-2011, 12:35 PM
The Dohrman Prophecy

“A new project from James is being released today, June 13, 2011 called The Dohrman Prophecy.

This project required a totally new technical platform, and James reached out to LightCode Inc. to produce the platform, which we call a WebBook Reading Network (WBRN). From the creator of the popular and widely read WingMakers Materials, comes a new project called The Dohrman Prophecy. Suspense and uncommon spiritual insights are artfully woven in this new project through a cast of characters that are extraordinarily well-realized and who are all connected to the central, mysterious character of the story: the Oracle of Dohrman.

The Dohrman Prophecy is the long awaited follow-on project to the WingMakers. The project consists of a novel that is truly unique in how it makes sensible the impenetrable spiritual knowledge that rarely, if ever, gets placed in books. This esoteric knowledge is poetically revealed through the dialogue of its characters. It is a challenging book, and though it starts out like a fable, it quickly launches into an intriguing and spellbinding tale of sinister plots to control an oracle that was brought to earth in an ancient time and for an undetermined purpose.

The Dohrman Prophecy features an unusual love story, combined with a powerful grasp of spiritual understanding, all delivered in poetic prose with lush artwork. It is ideal for the WBRN platform because it is provocative, deeply immersive, and with mythological connections and characters that everyone can relate to.

WebBook Reading Network:

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Krisztian
04-27-2012, 08:07 PM
The material labelled as Wingmakers was intented to be not for the current generation, if we're to believe it's author; but for, if I remember correctly, 8 to 9 generations from now. I have always found this part of the material rather curious and thought provoking!

Anyone else?

solomon levi
04-28-2012, 08:16 PM
The material labelled as Wingmakers was intented to be not for the current generation, if we're to believe it's author; but for, if I remember correctly, 8 to 9 generations from now. I have always found this part of the material rather curious and thought provoking!

Anyone else?

That's interesting! I don't recall that.
There's always then the question, if one doesn't read it now, will their future self receive it?
:)
All this time stuff is dimension stuff.
We exist on all these planes/dimensions simultaneously, but with emphasis or center of gravity
obviously in this one. That can be changed at any moment. Meditation, communion with Oneness/God,
is merely collapsing the fields between here and there. 8 to 9 generations is just a moment away if
we bend linear time back on itself. More thought-provoking material: the bending and straightening
of dimensions to form other worlds, other means of perception. :)
I've communicated with what I've called my Muse or Genius, what some have called the Holy Guardian Angel,
and it is accurately a "future" or time-dimension or faster frequency aspect of myself, of the one consciousness.
Same with Wingmakers, aliens, angels... If we "resonate" with the knowledge we read, we can alter our DNA
to these "future" versions/aspects. Or if we can't accept a miraculous spontaneous change/transmutation in our
selves, perhaps we give birth to "Indigo children" or "autistic children", etc.

Krisztian
04-29-2012, 01:43 AM
I think James meant that the Wingmakers material is for the populace 8 to 9 generations from now, in terms of how society will be able to fully use it's content and technology. I just always found that comment quite the position philosophically from an author.

solomon levi
04-29-2012, 05:17 AM
I think James meant that the Wingmakers material is for the populace 8 to 9 generations from now, in terms of how society will be able to fully use it's content and technology. I just always found that comment quite the position philosophically from an author.

Yes. I saw that.
It's just that for me 8-9 generations from now doesn't have to be linear time.
Time is not the ticking of a clock. Time is relative to consciousness.
here is one of my favorite Castaneda quotes:
"When I talk about time, I am not referring to something which is measured by the movement of a clock.
Time is the essence of attention; the Eagle's emanations are made out of time; and properly, when one enters
into any aspect of the other self, one is becoming acquainted with time."

Time is simply frequency, and frequency change is consciousness change.
So 8-9 generations is just a consciousness/frequency change away.
In 8-9 generations, we will know more than we do today, it is presumed.
So future = greater knowledge/larger picture/older and wiser... but there is no reason
to equate that to linear time. Insight comes from no time. You can visit the Wingmakers
future today if you are free enough from linear thoughts/time/ego. Like Tesla. ;)

"Society" starts with one. Society didn't invent the television or microwave or computer.
Individuals did. And now society uses them.
You could be the individual today that introduces the Wingmakers to society in a few years.
Or, we can wait 8-9 generations. :)

Krisztian
05-30-2014, 03:14 PM
For those that follow or followed (and still interested) in the Wingmakers material, the fifth interview with Dr. Neruda is now available.

Link can be found here, https://www.wingmakers.com/content/neruda-interviews/