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solomon levi
06-19-2010, 12:58 PM
Here's another common theme with geniuses:

Einstein:
http://www.pbgeorge.com/images/einstein.jpg

Tolkien:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cb4mdL5MI2A/SeomfKtsdRI/AAAAAAAACSc/5hBZIyGkM0U/s320/tolkien.pipe.jpg

Carl Jung:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cIdKb8fftY0/S1ukbuhor6I/AAAAAAAAEfM/kInh_lmjPkU/s400/carljung.jpg

Alexander Graham Bell:
http://www.jusonline.nl/smokers/graham_bell.jpg

Neils Bohr:
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/B94638A0-C68B-45DA-8FA3-B0433089E020/U1068202.jpg

Aleister Crowley:
http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/Articles/99/AleisterCrowley022108.png

Jean-Paul Sartre:
http://www-3.unipv.it/deontica/Gallpics/classici/Sartre.jpg

Van Gogh:
http://www.manifestcreativity.com/BBPIX/VanGogh3.jpg

Alan Watts:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xe3Y8bCIm_E/SKWeQo314kI/AAAAAAAABvM/SBRyPeBK8qc/s320/watts.jpg

Bertrand Russell:
http://ohkrapp.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bertrand-russell-smokes-pipe.jpg

C.S. Lewis:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iE20PypN6N4/R5js3xbKGcI/AAAAAAAAADM/sZRcTjJSHks/s320/Lewis%2Bpipe.jpg

Mark Twain:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/7556/7556-h/images/twain-smoking.jpg

Dr. Seuss:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eIeZP25724E/Sck-m_gtVDI/AAAAAAAAAu0/13MLRlIWMUY/s400/Dr_Seuss.jpg

Erwin Schrodinger:
http://www.fumeursdepipe.net/images/erwinschrodinger%20prix%20nobel%20physique%201933. jpg

J. S. Bach:
http://murderofravens.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/smoker.jpg

Bach even wrote a poem about smoking his pipe:

Edifying Thoughts of a Tobacco Smoker

Whene’re I take my pipe and stuff it
And smoke to pass the time away,
My thoughts as I sit there and puff it,
Dwell on a picture sad and grey:
It teaches me that very like
Am I myself unto my pipe.
Like me, this pipe so fragrant burning
Is made of naught but earth and clay;
To earth I too shall be returning.
It falls and, ere I’d think to say,
It breaks in two before my eyes;
In store for me a like fate lies.
No stain the pipe’s hue yet doth darken;
It remains white. Thus do I know
That when to death’s call I must harken
My body too, all pale will grow
To black beneath the sod ’twill turn.
Or when the pipe is fairly glowing,
Behold then, instantaniously,
The smoke off into thin air going,
Till naught but ash is left to see.
Man’s frame likewise away will burn
And unto dust his body turn.
How oft it happens when one’s smoking:
The stopper’s missing from the shelf,
And one goes with one’s finger poking
Into the bowl and burns oneself.
If in the pipe such pain doth dwell,
How hot must be the pains of Hell.
Thus o’er my pipe, in contemplation
Of such things, I can constantly
Indulge in fruitful meditation
And so, puffing contentedly,
On land, on sea, at home, abroad,
I smoke my pipe and worship God.
- Johann Sebastian Bach


"A pipe is the fountain of contemplation, the source of pleasure, the companion of the wise; and the man who smokes, thinks like a philosopher and acts like a Samaritan."
-Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, 1st Baron Lytton


Couldn't find pics for:
Francis Bacon, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Sir Isaac Newton...

and many more


What I've heard is that the nitrous oxide in pipe tobacco has something to do with the replication of RNA,
so if you're smoking and having lofty thoughts, you're multiplying lofty-thought-cells/DNA.


ps - if someone wants to tell me an easy way to just post the pics themselves,
I'd love to hear it. I'm not that savvy with computers.

Albion
06-19-2010, 03:54 PM
Regarding the possible benefits of tobacco, I read the following quote years ago, and even though I don't particularly care for either the work of this author in general, nor her particular channelling practice, nor much of what I've read from her sources nevertheless I felt some of the content might contribute to Solomon Levi's proposition. Funny, I was just about to go out and pick up another pack [my last, this time, honest] of Natural American Spirit Organic cigarettes.

Much of this could be nonsense - but with a grain of truth here and there...

Tobacco is [according to this link] a Reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase-A (RIMAs) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibitor_of_monoamine_oxidase_A
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"Some years earlier I had read a book about brain enhancment, and of the many substances tested, it seemed that intake of nicotine had been the only one that actually IMPROVED test scores. Caffiene, one of the other substances tested, was not useful in this respect nor were many of the things traditionally thought to "boost" brain performance. I remembered this study, and was curious.

Another thing I had noted over the years was that MANY psychics I had met in my investigations, if not ALL of them, smoked! Not only that, but the Native Americans used tobacco as a sort of "connector" to the psychic realms. For them, it was an act of communication with the Great Spirit. So, putting these ideas together, we asked some questions:

10-28-94
Q: (L) Is smoking detrimental to any of our bodies?
A: Not if mild. Not if mind is in right mode.
Q: (L) Does smoking enhance psychic abilities?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it true that the government program to stamp out smoking is inspired by the Lizzies?
A: Yes because they know it may heighten psychic abilities.
Q: (L) What is causing the lung cancer they are attributing to smoking?
A: Mental conditioning and subliminal programming to expect it.
Q: (L) So, it only happens if you are convinced that it can and must happen?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Is there any particular brand of cigarettes to smoke?
A: No.


Some considerable time went by, and Ark entered the picture. His ideas on smoking were that it had been a "monkey on his back," and something that had detrimental control over him. He struggled with it over twenty years ago, and conquered the habit and was, like many who have quit, rather strict in his opinions about the practice. So, out of consideration for him, I decided to quit. And did. But, the result was not only rapid weight gain (and being plump naturally, this was a DISASTER), but I also began to contract every sort of illness that came along, suffering colds and bronchitis constantly. I had no energy, my brain did not work, and I was in despair as to what to do. Of course, I did not connect it to stopping smoking; I thought that it was simply my metabolism that was going downhill.

Another curious thing happened: in my investigations into the subject of "bloodlines," I was doing a lot of reading on "blood." I wanted to know what it was about blood that made it such a focus of so much esoteric lore and literature.

For a period of time Ark was teaching at the University of Florida in Gainesville, and until we could arrange for a permanent apartment there, we used a local motel during the week and came home on weekends. In negotiating the weekly rate with the owner, I discovered that he was a retired professor of hematology! We had numerous talks about blood during the times that Ark was teaching and I was left to entertain myself.

In one of these conversations I asked: What, if anything, can increase the level of hemoglobin in the blood? I was interested since the hemoglobin is the carrier of the iron in the blood and we had already learned that the level of iron in the blood was very important for psychic and trans-dimensional activities. The answer surprised me: barring the presence of pathogenic conditions, the one thing that increases the hemoglobin, is NICOTINE. The professor told me that this is why it is important for doctors to know if their patients smoke because then, they can discount abnormally high red blood cell counts as being an artifact of smoking and NOT a pathological condition!

What a surprise!

Q: What other things does nicotine do?
A: Raises immunological defences.
Q: Anything else?
A: Excites neurotransmitters. You require less sleep.
Q: Is this true for everyone?
A: No.
Q: (A) How much nicotine is necessary?
A: 100 mg per day.
Q: (A) Can it be in pill form? [Ark is CLEARLY unhappy with the idea of me smoking!]
A: Cigarettes infuse it to brain tissues most effectively.
Q: Well, I am certainly relieved! Now I know that I do not have a 'smoking demon' possessing me! I was really getting worried! [While I had quit, I was constantly and incessantly plagued with the urge to smoke. I had become convinced that it was a spirit attachment or some sort of "control mechanism" that would not let me go!]
A: Those who fit this profile find it nearly impossible to "quit" completely.
Q: So, there are people who are actually benefitted by smoking?
A: Genetics will offer proof of this.
Q: You mean that one can see changes in DNA before and after smoking?
A: Close
Q: Is this also true for Frank?
A: Yes.
Q: Why us?
A: It is simply part of your "profiles."
Q: Is that also why I have been having more stomach problems than usual? [I could barely eat anything without having an upset stomach.]
A: Yes.
Q: Well, I always noticed that smoking could settle my stomach. It also stimulated my digestive tract... (F) Yes.
A: (A) What is serious here is the number. How many milligrams... (L) How many cigarettes does this number of 100 milligrams translate into?
A: 20.
Q: Well, I never smoked that much! Only about 15...
A: No.
Q: Well, I told myself 15!
A: It was not. [They were right.]
Q: Ark doesn't need to smoke, does he?
A: No. He does not fit the profile. He actually had to "work" to start smoking.
Q: (L) Did you? (A) Yeah, probably. (L) Well, then why did you? (A) Well, it was somewhat self-annihilating. (L) Ark is NOT happy with this explanation you guys have given. [And he STILL isn't, though he tolerates my smoking, and I DO feel enormously better having resumed without carrying all the guilt that our society is attempting to impose on cigarette smoking.]
A: Life contains unhappy explanations at 3rd density, sometimes.
Q: Well, I was really beginning to think I was possessed...
A: No.


Some time later, a reader wrote to me about this subject:

09-19-98
Q: Here is a note from M__. He writes: "Laura, I was very dismayed to read your post on Diet and Nutrition on the Web Page. The C's are saying that Love is enough and that sex is a pure physical craving and that orgasm energy feeds the 4th D STS buggers. Then, they go on to say that you should smoke, and consume x mg of nicotine, because you need it. Those 2 ideas seem contrary to me, since smoking is also a 'physical craving.' Yes, people gain weight after they quit smoking, but the metabolism does settle down after a year or so. Are you sure of the source of this message? Could STSers be getting through and are getting you and others to try to kill yourself slowly? Covering ones lungs with ash cannot be good for you, regardless of what the ash is made of. Even wood smoke causes breathing disorders. I felt sick when I read that part. It didn't fit into my world view of the C's." Could you comment on his remarks?
A: We did not suggest that smoking was advisable per se, the response was in regard to a personal inquiry about difficulty in achieving weight loss on the part of Laura. And, we did not say that this was a permanent solution.
Q: Well, you DID say that it enhances resistance to disease and that it did other beneficial things.
A: Yes, but, it is best accomplished with pure tobacco products, not the corrupted variety available on the mass market.
Q: Well, what about the sex issue?
A: Specifics, please.
Q: He says that the two ideas seem contrary...
A: How so?
Q: I guess his idea is that is if you are gonna give up sex, you ought to also give up smoking because they are both physical cravings. Or, that if smoking is okay, then sex ought to also be okay. I am not altogether clear on the perspective. I did write back that my understanding was that it is not sex, per se, that was bad, but rather the drive for self gratification that was feeding STS.
A: True.
Q: He then says: 'Are you sure of the source of this message. Could STS be getting through and getting you and others to try and kill yourself slowly?'
A: No, and besides, "killing of one's self slowly," is occurring anyway, whether triggered by one's self or not.
Q: He says: 'Covering one's lungs with ash cannot be good for you, regardless of what the ash is made of.'
A: Noncorrupted tobacco product does not have that effect.
Q: I also mentioned the fact that this professor of Hematology in Gainesville told me that the only thing they know of, aside from some pathological process, that increases the red blood cell count, thereby the hemoglobin, and thus the iron content of the blood and brain, is smoking tobacco.
A: True.
Q: It was my assessment from this information, coupled with all the work done on tracking this 'blood issue' that is so dominant in the 'Grail quest' and the ancient literature, that increasing the red blood cell count was a VERY desirable thing to do to enhance one's ability to transit densities with ease. Is that a correct idea?
A: Yes and makes one more resistant to microbial infection.
Q: (A) Where can one find non-corrupted tobacco products?
A: Tobacco shop.
Q: So, I guess I have to roll my own!
A: Machine can be purchased which does this.
Q: He said: 'I felt sick when I read that.' I can identify with this feeling because there are a number of things I have learned in this process that has had the same effect on me. But, I have also learned that when this happens, it is only my resistance that causes this suffering. Can you comment?
A: Emotions cause views."

As it turned out, some time later I obtained a copy of The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge by Jeremy Narby Ph.D., an anthropologist who studied at Stanford University. Dr. Narby writes:

In their visions, shamans take their consciousness down to the molecular level and gain access to information related to DNA, which they call 'animate essences' or 'spirits.' This is where they see double helixes, twisted ladders, and chromosome shapes. This is how shamaic cultures have known for millennia that the vital principle is the same for all living beings and is shaped like two entwined serpents (or a vine, a rope, a ladder...) DNA is the source of their astonishing botanical and medicinal knowledge, which can be attained only in defocalized and 'nonrational' states of consciousness, though its results are empirically verifiable.

I would like to mention that I think Dr. Narby is going in the right direction, but that he hasn't yet come face to face with the realization that it is THROUGH the DNA and not FROM the DNA, that these states are accessed, and that the states permit access to realities that are not only physical, but also ethereal, or partly ethereal, such as the variable physicality of 4th density.

But, to continue with what Dr. Narby has discovered:

I knew this hypothesis would be more solid if it rested on a neurological basis, which was not yet the case. [...] The Ashaninca say that by ingesting ayahuasca or tobacco, it is possible to see the normally invisible and hidden maninkari spirits. [...] There ought to be an analogous connection between nicotine and DNA contained in the nerve cells of a human brain.

A molecule of nicotine shares structural similarities with the neurotransmitter acetylcholine and fits like a skeleton key into its receptor on certain neurons.

The note in Narby's book that is appended to the above remark reads:

In the human brain there are tens of billions of neurons, and they are of several sorts. Each neuron is equipped with approximately a thousand synapses, which are junction sites connecting the cells to each other. Each synapse has ten million or so receptors. The number of neurons is frequently estimated at ten billion; [some researchers put the number at a 100 billion to a trillion.] There are approximately 50 known neurotransmitters, and a given cell can have different receptors for several of these. The nicotine and acetylcholine molecules have different shapes, but the receptor cannot tell them apart because they have the same size and the distribution of their electrical charges is similar.

And, from the The New Columbia Encyclopedia we find the following under acetylcholine:

An organic compound containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. It is liberated at nerve cell endings, and there is strong evidence that it is the transmitter substance that conducts impulses from one cell to another in the ganglia of the autonomic nervous system; from nerve cells to smoothe muscle, cardiac muscle, and exocrine glands; and from motor nerve cells to skeletal muscle. Its role in the conduction of nerve impulses elsewhere is still uncertain. The stimulation of skeletal muscle by acetylcholine is inhibited by curare.

Regarding the composition of the above and its relation to nicotine, the reader may wish to also have a loot at Supernovae: Vehicle of Ascension?

Back to Dr. Narby:

The more you give nicotine to your neurons, the more the DNA they contain activates the construction of nicotinic receptors, within certain limits. [...] However, scientific accounts in terms of 'receptors,' 'flux of positively charged atoms,' and 'stimulation of the transcription of the genes coding for the subunits of nicotinic receptors' did not explain in any way the effects of nicotine on consciousness.

The discovery that nicotine stimulates the construction of nicotinic receptors was only made at the beginning of the 1990s; the connection between this phenomenon and the addiction displayed by tobacco users seems obvious, but has yet to be explored in detail. [...]

There are fundamental differences between the shamanic use of tobacco and the consumption of industrial cigarettes. The botanical variety used in the Amazon contains up to eighteen times more nicotine than the plants used in Virginia-type cigarettes. Amazonian tobacco is grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides and contains none of the ingredients added to cigarettes, such as aluminum oxide, potassium nitrate, ammonium phosphate, polyvinyl acetate, and a hundred or so others, which make up approximately 10 percent of the smokable matter.

During combustion, a cigarette emits some 4,000 substances, most of which are toxic. Some of these substances are even radioactive, making cigarettes the largest single source of fadiation in the daily life of an average smoker. Cigarette smoke is directly implicated in more than 25 serious illnesses, including 17 forms of cancer. [According to popularized medical studies. But, one might wish to consider if it is the nicotine, or the additives?]

In the Amazon, on the other hand, tobacco is considered a remedy. The Ashaninca word for 'healer, ' or 'shaman,' is sheripiari - literally, 'the person who uses tobacco.' The oldest Ashaninca men I knew were all sheripiari. They were so old that they did not know their own age, which only their deeply wrinkled skin suggested, and they were remarkably alert and healthy.

Intrigued by these disparities, I looked through data banks for comparative studies between the toxicity of the Amazonian variety, (nicotiana rustica) and the variety used by the manufacturers of cigarettes, cigars, rolling tobacco, and pipe tobacco (nicotiana tabacum). I found nothing. The question, it seemed, had not been asked. I also looked for studies on the cancer rate among shamans who use massive and regular doses of nicotine: again, nothing. So, I decided to write to the main authority on the matter, Johannes Wilbert, author of the book Tobacco and shamanism in South America, to put my questions to him. He replied:

"There is certainly evidence that Western tobacco products contain many different harmful agnets which are probably not present in organically grown plants. I have not heard of shamans developing cancers but that may, of course, be a function of several things like lack of Western diagnosis, natural life span of indigenous people, magico-religious restriction of tobacco use in tribal societies, etc."

It seems clear that nicotine does not cause cancer, given that it is active in the brain and that cigarettes do not cause cancer in the brain, but in the lungs, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, rectum, kidneys, and bladder, the organs reached by the carcinogenic tars, which are also swallowed. (Emphasis, mine)

In any case, scientists have never really considered tobacco as a hallucinogen, because Westerners have never smoked large enough doses to reach the hallucinatory state. Consequently, the neurological mechanisms of hallucinations induced by tobacco have not been studied. Paradoxically, nicotinic receptors are the ones best known to neurologists, who have been studying them for decades, given that there are both substances that stimulate these receptors, like acetylcholine and nicotine, and others that block them, like curare and the venom of certain snakes. Indeed, by one of those curious conincidences, tobacco, curare, and snake venom all fit into exactly the same locks inside our brains. [Narby, 1998]

solomon levi
06-19-2010, 04:24 PM
One thing everyone should realise is that there's a lot of shit put into non-organic cigarettes that isn't put into fine cigars and pipe tobacco.

And besides the additives, cigarettes are the leftovers after the best tobacco is used for cigars, the next for pipe, and the worst and last for cigarettes.

This is why I showed people smoking pipes and not cigarettes. I don't think it's the same.

But maybe organics do compare. I've had Zen natural tobacco products and they seem pretty good.

sol

Andro
06-19-2010, 04:31 PM
I personallly think that the dangers come from the added chemicals and excessive use.

I don't remember where I read that the Japanese are statistically heavy smokers but have low cancer rates.

I myself suffered from countless allergies as a teenager.
Later, when I was in the Army, I took up occasional smoking and the allergies simply disappeared (except to dust, stupidity and cats :confused:)


I was just about to go out and pick up another pack [my last, this time, honest]...

:D :D :D :D :D

Albion
06-19-2010, 06:28 PM
I myself suffered from countless allergies as a teenager.
Later, when I was in the Army, I took up occasional smoking and the allergies simply disappeared (except to dust, stupidity and cats :confused:)

Careless move, Androgynous. Now they know your Kryptonite.

http://www.fantomcomics.com/kryptonite.gif

Andro
06-19-2010, 06:33 PM
I can deal well with two out of three.

But dust can be a problem...

:mad::D:D

Albion
06-19-2010, 06:48 PM
One thing everyone should realise is that there's a lot of shit put into non-organic cigarettes that isn't put into fine cigars and pipe tobacco.

And besides the additives, cigarettes are the leftovers after the best tobacco is used for cigars, the next for pipe, and the worst and last for cigarettes.

This is why I showed people smoking pipes and not cigarettes. I don't think it's the same.

But maybe organics do compare. I've had Zen natural tobacco products and they seem pretty good.

sol

I believe you are right about all that. But I had read that [most?] pipe tobacco is cured using sugar and burning sugar-carbon can be problematic.
The manufacturer of Natural American Spirit Organic cigarettes [red & gold pack] claim to do things differently. No pesticides, leftover leaf scraps, stem material, or additives [not that inhaling smoke from their product is therefore good for you].

http://www.freewebs.com/podgey_hodgey/Gandalf.jpg

Gandalf

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/MichaelTodd/2009-12-15_173902_20080314_sherlock_holmes.jpg

Sherlock Holmes

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KgBT8kIRgBo/SV5-DEOtTCI/AAAAAAAAEu4/d6RsVk-A534/s1600/Sitting%2BBull.jpeg

Sitting Bull

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/12508/1091698-orson_welles_1939_super.jpg

Orson Welles

LeoRetilus
06-19-2010, 07:45 PM
ps - if someone wants to tell me an easy way to just post the pics themselves,
I'd love to hear it. I'm not that savvy with computers.

If you right click on the image you want to post directly from the website where you found it and it is not copyright protected by the webmaster that runs that site then you should be able to right click on it and go to properties, ...under image properties you will find a filepath(address,url) that ends in .jpg, or .gif, or whatever file extension that particular image uses. Triple-click on the entire filepath/address,url and it will all be selected , then push cntrl+c to copy it to your clipboard. Now come here and click on insert image icon on your edit/create post control panel and simply paste, cntrl+v, what it is basically asking for is a url for the image and instead of uploading to a hosting site you are linking to their website where you found the image. This saves me alot of time cause before I started doing this I had to save the image to my computer then upload it to a image hosting site, and so on and so forth, the only disadvantage is if the website takes the image down or the website goes down it will no longer come up on your posts. The limit of images you can insert into one post on here is 15.

Seth-Ra
06-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Solomon Levi,

I find this very... whats the word yall use - "wyrd"? - because i had a dream this past night and in the dream i had a pipe i was smoking, and no i do not smoke, not at all, nor have i ever in my life, nor have i ever had any inclination to do so and i HATE cigaret smoke... but i had this dream out of the blue where i had an old-time pipe and took a few hits from it (nd it was nothing like a cigaret, which i wouldnt know since ive never been around pipe smokers...), then i check the forum and -bam!- a thread about pipe smoking and tobacco. :eek:

Many in my family smoke, namely uncles and an aunt or two (or more?), my dad used to - and i hated being around him. (he quit, luckily)
They all smoke cigarets, which as has been noted are toxic - my grandmother died of lung cancer.

But all this information on tobacco and nicotine and its good use, and historical use by the shamanic cultures, and the "greats" (C.S. Lewis, Isaac Newton, Einstein etc...)... i dont know, but i think something is trying to tell me to get into the club. lol Not so sure i would though, but its interesting to say the least. :)

Still very "wyred" (?) how that came popped up at this particular time...



~Seth-Ra

LeoRetilus
06-19-2010, 08:27 PM
Seth Ra, I don't smoke but when I was younger I did take up the pipe for a while my favorite was always.....http://www.ediscountsnuff.com/images/brands/5057708.jpg I love the way it smells.

Andro
06-19-2010, 08:39 PM
So I think we can start to agree that it's the pipe with additive-free tobacco that enhances the genius factor :)

I am not at all being sarcastic, and I don't think it's a coincidence that this topic came up, with all its implications...

Albion
06-19-2010, 09:06 PM
A thread on pipe tobacco additives:

http://forum.pipes.org/~discus/discus/messages/24/4539.html?1096520820

Kentucky Select Organic Pipe Tobacco:

http://www.rollyourown.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=90_212&products_id=736
.

Albion
06-19-2010, 11:49 PM
The nasal passages create small vortices in the air as we inhale - which may serve to optimize prana intake.

A simple semicircular pipe bowl naturally also creates a vortex in air flow.

What if someone were to make a waterpipe/bong/hookah which, instead of water, had an ormus-rich solution in it and then, instead of a simple stem or tube, had one which was designed with Schauberger-type protrusions inside so as to optimize vortex creation along it's length?

You would then have the elements of:

- Air Prana

- Tobacco

- Ormus + Water

- Vortex/Torsion

- Fire

Just a thought...

http://aliceproject7.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/448px-alice_05a-1116x1492.jpg

solomon levi
06-20-2010, 12:24 AM
The nasal passages create small vortices in the air as we inhale - which may serve to optimize prana intake.

A simple semicircular pipe bowl naturally also creates a vortex in air flow.

What if someone were to make a waterpipe/bong/hookah which, instead of water, had an ormus-rich solution in it and then, instead of a simple stem or tube, had one which was designed with Schauberger-type protrusions inside designed to optimize vortex creation along it's length?

You would then have the elements of:

- Air Prana

- Tobacco

- Ormus + Water

- Vortex/Torsion

- Fire

Just a thought...

http://aliceproject7.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/448px-alice_05a-1116x1492.jpg


What a thought! That'd be so cool!

solomon levi
06-20-2010, 12:28 AM
I often wanted to discuss smoking, any plant really, and what that means alchemically.
The smoke is the sulphur of the plant right?
It certainly contains odor and often flavor - these are sulphur qualities.
Smoke itself is a sulphur "symbol".

So does this mean we can get the sulphur of any plant by smoking it?

Is the smoke too polluted to be considered an alchemical ingestion?

Would smoking melissae, for example, give the benefits of that plant?

sol

LeoRetilus
06-20-2010, 12:44 AM
What if someone were to make a waterpipe/bong/hookah which, instead of water, had an ormus-rich solution in it and then, instead of a simple stem or tube, had one which was designed with Schauberger-type protrusions inside designed to optimize vortex creation along it's length?


...With magnets and a mu-shield.....

A magnetic levitation bong trap :D:D

solomon levi
06-20-2010, 12:58 AM
Let's do it! Who needs to make gold? We can sell these!!! :D

LeoRetilus
06-20-2010, 01:10 AM
Ok I'll draw one up with autocad and send it to a machine shop , but the first few will be really expensive. I'm thinking 316L stainless, in the shape of a Moe Joe Cell for the main body, but where you blow in it will be like the air trap that that guy from Australia made to do the ether extraction method with(vortex tube with magnets and mu-shield), and so the good air will bubble up through the water that is already seeding orgone, possibly mixed with some DSS precipitate or M-3 from a sodium burn on black sand . This all of course will rise and unite with the melissa plant sulfurs as you mentioned buring in a clay dish mounted on top to make a nano stone in mid-air which we will inhale..........and spontaneously combust or something. :D:D:D

Albion
06-20-2010, 01:37 AM
Solomon Levi wrote:

What a thought! That'd be so cool!

It occurred to me while smoking :). And, wyrdly enough, I was just about to go inside to watch the movie "The Fifth Element."

It was the enigmatic phrase that Androgynus posted...


I don't think it's a coincidence that this topic came up, with all its implications...

... that first prompted my pondering [not presuming to as yet comprehend what you had in mind, Androgynus, when you wrote it].

Great preliminary expansions on the idea, LeoRetilus. I'll buy one, for sure [although, in addition, I'll want to make a non-Joe-Cell-chamber version for ready-made solutions].
Cool that you can bring your knowledge of Joe Cell design, along with your overall scientific accumen into play.

The last time I visited my local tobacconist he was talking with a customer about the mineral used in making Meerschaum pipes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meerschaum .

Afterwards, I told him about the catlinite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catlinite prized by Native Americans for their peace pipes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_pipe

High-fire, high-Ormus-content clay could be used - or a stone material, like the two examples above.
The advantages of clay are that it is easier to mold than stone, and its ingredient list can be progressively tweaked. But, when all is said and done, the vibe of the dish may not be so much of a contributing factor, anyway.

Unlike the hookah illustrated in my post, I imagine [in sequence]:

- A pipe bowl, attached to

- A stem, with internal Schauberger flanges, that leads to

- The main chamber, which exits into

- Another, perhaps 6-inch long, stem section - also with Schauberger flanges.


This particular design presupposes that it might be good to get air vortices going both before and after the bong-water chamber [which may not be the case].

But, LeoRetilus, the factors you finally deem essential [such as a Moe Joe cell for the main body] will drive the overall design [I have some experience designing microtonal musical instruments]. But, for now, it will be fun realizing all the possible factors that could be incorporated into this nexus.

The photo below was not what I was imagining - just including it for reference [Looks like he's operating a drill with a stirring attachment]:

http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/attachments/bongs-pipes-bubblers/5062d1217944583-industrial-size-bong-8557060_f14bd4f251.jpg

Bong with vaporizor [ http://www.vaporizer-info.com/reviews_de_verdamper/ ]:

http://www.vaporizer-info.com/media/images/verdamper.jpg

Traditional hookah components:

http://www.iwond3r.com/how_a_hookah_works.gif

A vortex creator which, although not of the type I remember seeing, looks far easier to construct [http://gemwater.net/prinzipien.html]:

http://gemwater.net/uploads/pics/Prinzip_Verwirbelung_03.jpg

This is what I had in mind but, in retrospect, would be more difficult to make [pre-cut flanges attached to cylinder halves later joined together] than the design above:

http://oriharu.net/ufophysics/vs/296pic.gif

But the two examples above are really designed for water flow. Creating multiple air-flow vortices could be as simple as inserting spacers with multiple holes - or simply washer-like disks.

http://www.lightnet.co.uk/frontier/images/vic2.gif

Dendritic Xylem
06-20-2010, 02:05 AM
I wish cannabis had the same effects....can't stand the smell of tobacco.


Though I wouldn't mind trying tobacco I had grown and cured personally.

The plants could be grown with m-state.
Perhaps that would make the final product more 'philosophical'

Seth-Ra
06-20-2010, 02:48 AM
Hey LR, Paladin eh? reminds me of Aladin lol :D
Have you ever heard of "Captain Black", my dad was telling me about it. seems expensive though... so are the pipes... i may wanna wait till have a source of income before i even think of attempting this. ;)

Ive noticed some odd sensations when accidentally smelling the smoke of some calcinations, from roses to feathers (hehe animal alchemy...) - i dont wanna spin this off to incense but it may warrant a comparison...? :)



~Seth-Ra

solomon levi
06-20-2010, 05:09 AM
quote Albion:
And, Solomon-Levi, you have me wondering what other plants would be good to try instead of, or in addition to, tobacco. Blends can sometimes provide a synergistic effect greater than the sum of the parts [like a good forum]. I'm not yet familiar with plants high on the spagyrics list -but I do have a list of plants high in Ormus [supposedly Holy Basil contains Ormus-form mercury, for example].


I make this blend myself - it's really good - I have people I work with always asking me to roll one for them.
I found this product called "sativah - a potent blend of herbs to expand the consciousness". Ingredients: this blend may contain lettuce opium, mad dog weed, egyptian mugwort, passionflower, salvia divinorum, hops, strobiles, mixed chamomile, damiana, raspberry and spearmint for flavor.
It sounds like a big deal, but it's really not that strong psychedelically speaking; but it tastes pretty good. Once I rolled a whole cigarette of just this and I felt it pretty good.
So, I take as a base a mix of rich vanilla pipe tobacco and cherry or strawberry flavor Zen natural loose cigarette tobacco - somewhere between half and half or 1/3 pipe to 2/3 cigarette. Then I put about 1/4 sativah mix. Then i add some of my own lavender, some sage that I pick in eastern WA, some melissae and a few cloves for scent.
It's a nice thick smoke, but soft. Like, I smoke little cigars sometimes and they
will irritate my throat a little, but this never does. And it smells and tastes great. And i like rolling them - it's a more conscious act as opposed to popping a cigarette into your mouth when you have the thought.
And it has just the right buzz.

I enjoy it.

So me too - always open to new plants to stick in my mix. The sage and lavender are real nice additions.

sol

Albion
06-20-2010, 01:02 PM
Post #19 was mended and amended :).

Albion
06-20-2010, 01:39 PM
quote Albion:
And, Solomon-Levi, you have me wondering what other plants would be good to try instead of, or in addition to, tobacco. Blends can sometimes provide a synergistic effect greater than the sum of the parts [like a good forum]. I'm not yet familiar with plants high on the spagyrics list -but I do have a list of plants high in Ormus [supposedly Holy Basil contains Ormus-form mercury, for example].


I make this blend myself - it's really good - I have people I work with always asking me to roll one for them.
I found this product called "sativah - a potent blend of herbs to expand the consciousness". Ingredients: this blend may contain lettuce opium, mad dog weed, egyptian mugwort, passionflower, salvia divinorum, hops, strobiles, mixed chamomile, damiana, raspberry and spearmint for flavor.
It sounds like a big deal, but it's really not that strong psychedelically speaking; but it tastes pretty good. Once I rolled a whole cigarette of just this and I felt it pretty good.
So, I take as a base a mix of rich vanilla pipe tobacco and cherry or strawberry flavor Zen natural loose cigarette tobacco - somewhere between half and half or 1/3 pipe to 2/3 cigarette. Then I put about 1/4 sativah mix. Then i add some of my own lavender, some sage that I pick in eastern WA, some melissae and a few cloves for scent.

Interesting. Your familiarity with herbs gives you a broad palette to work from.

Your post also reminds me of the folks at ACID cigar company http://www.acidcigarsonline.com/ who add a unique blend of essential oils to each of their cigar varieties. And one could always crumple these [or cigars made from organically grown tobacco] into a pipe bowl. But, ACID cigars aside, I'm considering the possibilities of adding essential oils [high in Ormus] either to tobacco or other herbs or to a vaporizor component/special attachment].

Coldfinger Herbal Extractors [ http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/herbal-extractors.html ]:

http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/apothacarian.jpg

http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/mushroom-cap-extractor.jpg



Dendritic Xylem wrote:

The plants could be grown with m-state.
Perhaps that would make the final product more 'philosophical'

Yes, one could 'start from the beginning' as it were, cultivate herbs grown with Ormus additives, the smoke of which would pass through an Ormus &/or Alchemical solution, vortexing, merrily, as it travels along the way...

horticult
06-20-2010, 02:36 PM
Alp valley = when you rolling spice it with snuff tobacco.

Andro
11-02-2010, 12:08 PM
From the new 'Sherlock' UK mini-series:



Holmes: Impossible to sustain a smoking habit in London these days. Bad news for brainwork...
Watson: It's good news for breathing.
Holmes: Oh... Breathing's boring...

Albion
11-02-2010, 06:15 PM
It's Elementary, my dear Dr. Whatstone, that, claims of certain New World Shaman that judicious employment of tobacco effectually "clears the lungs" notwithstanding, over-indulgence in said habit must, of a certainty, decrease the capacity of the great airiferous organs to process Air-Prana to some degree. As I am currently enjoying/enduring a transition into Inedia, I fear I must temporarily relinquish immediate satisfaction in the clear-headedness department for the sake of more exalted goals. However, if it is, according to the clues I've gathered, the MAOI-action of tobacco I've been experiencing - then a reasonable solution, not involving the aforementioned trade-off, can easily be arrived at through other modalities [And, no, confound it all Whatstone, I'm not referring to "The Seven-Per-Cent Solution!"].

Andro
11-02-2010, 07:08 PM
...a reasonable solution, not involving the aforementioned trade-off, can easily be arrived at through other modalities.

I am certain of that :)

Also, on the TV show, Cher-Lock conveniently manages himself with nicotine patches :)

As for the transition to Inedia, I would be glad to hear more about your experiences with the process.

Interestingly, although I am not practicing anything of the kind, I've noticed that lately my overall 'wordly' needs have been gradually diminishing, including the need for food...

solomon levi
11-02-2010, 10:14 PM
Synchronistic - I thought of posting in this thread today too, after it has slept for some time. :)

I was thinking/seeing how if it is true that nitric oxide in tobacco assists in RNA/DNA replication,
(which helps to make geniuses - replicating DNA of lofty thoughts) then this could also relate to
nitre ingestion in alchemy, and nitre's relation to the stone and the fire of ingesting the stone
(perhaps the fire is all the cells' DNA replicating to a new level at once; also Castaneda's "burning from the fire within").
This is what i saw anyway.

Albion
11-03-2010, 02:25 PM
As for the transition to Inedia, I would be glad to hear more about your experiences with the process.

Interestingly, although I am not practicing anything of the kind, I've noticed that lately my overall 'wordly' needs have been gradually diminishing, including the need for food...


Well, I don't want to side-track the thread. And, as far as my personal experiences go, I should wait a few months before posting - although I'm not sure if it's even properly within the ambit of this forum.

Inedia entails progression into a state of mind where one simply no longer believes it necessary to consume protein/fats/carbohydrates to support physical life.

At the same time, one is also weaning oneself from the emotional-support-system of eating.

We eat out of habit, to fill time, to take breaks, to comfort ourselves, to get a blood-sugar rush. We eat yang food to balance the yin food we just ate. We eat to spur the system into motion because of the toxic overload bogging us down. We eat for the stimulating drug-effect that counters the energy blocking effect of the previous meals. We eat for the Ormus-content of foods yet, in so doing, consume a lot of dross along with it that has to be processed. We eat so as to taste/take in the vibrational spectrum of creation. We eat for the social context the meal provides. And we eat because we were trained to believe it necessary to do so. Everyone we ever met only reinforced this presupposition. A few people may stop to seriously question it. Fewer still consider the alternative as viable.

And, in saying all this, I'm not intending to imply that a state of Inedia makes one "more spiritual" - or something along those lines. It's just a particular skill one gains or masters through discipline and a measure of personal sacrifice. One either feels called to it or not. In some cases it "just happens" to an individual, be it gradually or rapidly, with little or no prior consideration of the matter.

solomon levi
09-05-2011, 11:57 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ieOaAJ-abzw/TjEWO8rVGEI/AAAAAAAAGe8/cuhTgNs6SsA/s400/Alien+ET+Smoking+Pipe+Crop+Circle+Cherhill+White+H orse+Wiltshire+27th+July+2011.jpg
heehee!

ps - this is an actual crop circle. not photoshop or something.