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theFool
09-07-2010, 02:09 PM
Sea shells are left to dissolve in concentrated vinegar.

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=393&stc=1&d=1283881370

This vinegar was distilled once by freezing and then, it was distilled normally (by fire) in order to get rid of the red color. The resulting distillate was about 13 degrees baume (this is not accurate, I measured the viscosity with a viscometer used for wine). The vinegar I started from, had 6 degrees.
This is the viscometer I used:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=396&stc=1&d=1283881516

Calcium acetate was evaporated in low fire:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=395&d=1283881385

About 10 grams of it were dry distilled. I used similar setup as in tartar distillation.
First passes the phlegh, it behaves like water (it is water acording to sources) and smells emetic.
Then the condenser fills with thick white fume. It condenses to the golden liquid. It has a sweet aroma but the emetic smell from the phlegm is still there because I didn't changed the flask (very little material).
This golden liquid is what I have collected finally:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=394&d=1283881370

I burned some of it. It leaves behind a white watery milk.

The fumes in the condensor are mesmerising to observe. I think that the acetone and oils are formed at the time when those fumes condense, not when they leave th metal. I say that because when someone distills the acetone to purify it, it does not have white fumes, it is transparent in the gas state.

Acording to sources (Becker) calcium acetate yields mostly acetone, without the red oil. This acetone can be distilled off. Some use it to extract metals and it gets a red color. I think this is mistaken. Acetone self condnsates when heated (digested) either there is a metal in it or not. The same happens with tartar volatile distillates. They extract nothing from the metal, they are just colored red after heating.

Buy comercial acetone (for nails), throw in some drops of concentrated sulfuric acid, you get all the color evolution (transparent to yellow to red) in just some minutes:

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=397&stc=1&d=1283881748

This is the famous potable gold refered to by Bartlett and other sources. Ok, maybe the metal works as a catalyst on it and produces sth diffrent but I believe that the acetone+sulfuric acid will show up the same in distillation tests and CG/MS scans as in Bartlett's "The way of the crucible" book.

So, what is left to check from the acetate process?

1) The medicinal qualities of the acetone, according to Becker's document. I think in a magazine called "ora et labora" there are info on how to proceed with oyster shells. I would appreciate if sb can share that info.

2) The red oil that can physically dissolve gold.

3) The stone can be confected if you repeatedly imbibe the Salt with fresh Mercury, in the same way you make a plant stone. This is not easy, I think, one must gain experience by making first the plant stone (minor opus) before embarking to this resources and time consuming process.

Salazius
09-07-2010, 02:53 PM
I have no photos appearing ... argh

Seems an interesting work indeed.

True Initiate
09-07-2010, 02:54 PM
I cann't see any pictures.Hmm... The virus warnings are still popping up.
Nevertheless thanks for your post.

theFool
09-07-2010, 06:30 PM
Sorry guys, I uploaded them again, i hope they appear well now.

I have uploaded them as attachments in the forum but then, before posting, I moved the post to another thread. Dont worry they dont lead to virus website.

Aleilius
09-28-2010, 05:52 AM
Nice work! Did you notice any gray/white powder that would not dissolve in the acetic acid?

A while back I added cleaned seashells to some acetic acid, digested it until the shells were completely dissolve, and in the bottom of the vessel was left a grayish white powder that would not dissolve in acetic acid. This powder is very curious to me.

theFool
09-29-2010, 10:02 AM
Nice work! Did you notice any gray/white powder that would not dissolve in the acetic acid?


Thanks Aleilius; I have observed a brown dirt remaining behind. I assumed it was just mud impurities and threw it away.

Aleilius
09-29-2010, 10:08 AM
Thanks Aleilius; I have observed a brown dirt remaining behind. I assumed it was just mud impurities and threw it away.
Hi TF, did you wash all the sand/mud from your seashells before you started your work?

theFool
09-29-2010, 12:57 PM
did you wash all the sand/mud from your seashells before you started your work?
I used some small, tightly closed sea shells (like those in that picture (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRec5Axqkv--pbBTSBQzi5eze8DVMxHOu7iB7Wz8HcvBDfieJ4&t=1&usg=__MA7jESQugIJCdnN1KvWL69EiU80=)). No matter how well I washed them, some mud/sand would remain in the inside. Thats why I consider the dirt after dissolution unimportant.

Aleilius
09-29-2010, 01:15 PM
No matter how well I washed them, some mud/sand would remain in the inside. Thats why I consider the dirt after dissolution unimportant.
I understand, okay, thank you!