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True Initiate
09-15-2010, 04:53 AM
Finally a dream come true! "Compass of the Wise" is released on Google book's (in German)!

http://books.google.at/books?id=fRNBAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Adam+Michael+Birkholz%22&hl=de&ei=OEyQTKXbC4rJ4ga92_H0DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=true

I have also found a english version in the Library of Congress:
http://lccn.loc.gov/90070046

Compass of the wise
1st ed.
described by a member of the inner constitution of the genuine and true Freemasonry ; [translated from the German by Léone Muller].
Published 1990 by Supreme Grand Lodge of AMORC in San Jose, Calif .
Written in English.



If somebody can help me to get a electronic copy of this version i will pay him $ (via Paypal). I am not kidding!

Salazius
09-15-2010, 07:02 AM
Nice, thanks !

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJBuCYKqjAI/AAAAAAAAGaA/yiuHx-5tGPs/s720/1.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJBuBbvo96I/AAAAAAAAGZ8/XJ3mm2hSocU/s720/2.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJBuAZCgrOI/AAAAAAAAGZ4/jWxSCX_8AN4/s720/3.jpg

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 07:14 AM
If somebody can help me to get a electronic copy of this version i will pay him $ (via Paypal). I am not kidding!

Just go back to the german version of google books and click on the pdf link and you will get a digitized pdf of the original scanning with no omitted pages since the copyright has run out.

But.....

Why is it every site I go to and try and buy it wants to sell me an " Hieroglyph Coloring Book" for kids? I mean the ISBN number for the supposed AMORC english publishing is actually a coloring book.

ISBN:0912057572
http://www.amazon.com/Hieroglyphic-Coloring-Book-Grant-Schar/dp/0912057572

The Library of Congress wouldn't do this on purpose would they? Did they hide it under another ISBN or is the English printing completely bogus?

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 07:25 AM
What do you mean on purpose?I think it's a mistake but i will try at the Library of Congress via e-mail.I have downloaded the German version but it is very hard to read in that style of writing.

Man i still cann't believe that this book is released in the open. I will write later today why this book is so special...

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 07:38 AM
Ok i have just sent an e-mail to them.The answer will come within five days. :cool:

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LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 07:48 AM
Hi Puffer, since the book is entered by its ISBN number from inception they will go by this number and you will get a coloring book if you want to go back to kindergarten, lol. From what I can gather so far it supposedly was translated by Léone Muller into English and published by AMORC in 1990, but if so where is it?

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 07:49 AM
It seems that i am not only one who searches for this book.

From the RAM's Digital:
http://ramsdigital.com/news.html

"26 May, 2009. Titles remaining to be found. Can you help?

Here is the final list of missing or questionable text. One copy of Bacstrom is already in the library collection, but which one? Do either vol. III actually exist?
And what is the contents of the missing Paracelsus title?
Hermetic astronomy (40 p), Hermetic medicine (250 p), Hermetic philosophy (74 p) & The spirits of the planets (24 p)?
Your assistance is needed.
1. A Compendium of Alchemical Tracts from the Files of and translated by S. Bacstrom M.D. Vol I
2. A Compendium of Alchemical Tracts from the Files of and translated by S. Bacstrom M.D. Vol II
3. A Compendium of Alchemical Tracts from the Files of and translated by S. Bacstrom M.D. Vol III ?Not sure if this exists?
4. A Compass of the Wise described by a member of the true Freemasonry (Leone Muller)
5. Four Hermetical Writings - Paracelsus - (70 pages)?
6. Potpourri Alchymiae (vol. III) - Nintzel, Hans (compiler) - (250 pages) ? Not sure if this exists?"

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 07:53 AM
Hi Puffer, since the book is entered by its ISBN number from inception they will go by this number and you will get a coloring book if you want to go back to kindergarten, lol. From what I can gather so far it supposedly was translated by Léone Muller into English and published by AMORC in 1990, but if so where is it?

Ah you mean on Amazon!
I think they made some mistake in catalogue numbers.So far i know this book was never published for sale.It was written by Rosicrucian's for the exclusive use only in Freemasonic lodges.Like some kind of adaptation for freemasonic school of thought.

It is also often quoted in "The Golden Chain of Homer".

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 08:03 AM
I went to the AMORC website and they only have the coloring book as well, so it seems they are the source of the deception. At any rate someone obviously does not want this publication in english in the public domain.

In RAMS there is a folder titled Compass of the Wise but it is empty save for a Table of Contents, supposedly they are working on the translation for the next issue of RAMS.


Ah you mean on Amazon!
I think they made some mistake in catalogue numbers.So far i know this book was never published for sale.It was written by Rosicrucian's for the exclusive use only in Freemasonic lodges.Like some kind of adaptation for freemasonic school of thought.

It is also often quoted in "The Golden Chain of Homer".


Any search for this ISBN number will return "Hieroglyphic Coloring Book", 155 pages versus 400+ pages and its not just Amazon, I don't think you realize the trouble someone went to to hide this, it was obviously published in 1990 by AMORC but since they have their own press they just made a coloring book and printed it under the ISBN that they were issued by the Library of Congress for Compass Of The Wise, the Library of Congress doesn't lie about the number of pages and author. This should be highly illegal

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 08:05 AM
Can you give me a link for AMORC website?

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 08:19 AM
http://www.rosicrucian.org/home.html

Go to store you will find the coloring book, then go to publications Compass of The Wise is not there.

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 08:28 AM
Yep, i see. :(
That's strange...

Well i am hoping that the Congress will not sent me a coloring book!
In the end i have a German version (and i can speak German). :p

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 08:31 AM
Here is another Rosicrucian group:

French:
http://www.collegium-rosae-crucis.com/historique-collegium-rc-02.html

Eng:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collegium-rosae-crucis.com%2Fhistorique-collegium-rc-02.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Note this sentence in the translation text:

"Note, for example, "Compass of the Wise - Der Compass der Weisen" (1779) by Adam Michael Birkholz, under the pseudonym Ketmia Vere, the central book of the teachings of the Rose Croix of the Old System. "

"This Organisation (Golden Dawn) claims descent from the Rose Cross of Gold of Old System, but a systematic comparative analysis and lessons can assert the contrary. Although the leader and founder of the Golden Dawn had access to documents printed from the Rose Cross of Gold Old System, the very foundations of correspondences between alchemy and Kabbalah are totally different, the alchemical teachings of the Golden Dawn being almost non-existent or very poor quality, and Kabbalistic teachings totally different".

The "Old System" meant that Rosicrucians were in the beginning a alchemical fraternity in contrast to the NEW Rosicrucians who are ritualistic magicians (like Golden Dawn for example).

Salazius
09-15-2010, 08:33 AM
You don't like coloring books ?:D

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 08:35 AM
ah nuts!!! :p

And the old english typeset makes Acrobat Pro hard to identify each character to get a complete digitization in order to do a quick translation with google translator.

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 08:45 AM
You don't like coloring books ?:D

It depends on what colors are in question?
If they are black, white and red i have no objection! :cool:

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 08:55 AM
Here is another Rosicrucian group:

French:
http://www.collegium-rosae-crucis.com/historique-collegium-rc-02.html

Eng:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collegium-rosae-crucis.com%2Fhistorique-collegium-rc-02.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Note this sentence in the translation text:

"Note, for example, "Compass of the Wise - Der Compass der Weisen" (1779) by Adam Michael Birkholz, under the pseudonym Ketmia Vere, the central book of the teachings of the Rose Croix of the Old System. "

The "Old System" meant that Rosicrucians were in the beginning a alchemical fraternity in contrast to the NEW Rosicrucians who are ritualistic magicians (like Golden Dawn for example).

http://www.collegium-rosae-crucis.com/Graphismes/Compass.jpg
yes this is the cover



"This system is known as the Order of the Rose Croix d'Or Old System, it developed through the German Freemasonry, then in its infancy, the Templar Strict Observance and the Rosicrucians only accepted Scottish Master Masons in their ranks, promising to reveal secrets that are hidden Tops in Freemasonry. ”. Indeed, the creation of the Order corresponds with the popularity of High Masonic Degrees beyond the Blue Lodges, the lodges called "Reds".

. So around 1750, and most probably in 1757, the college named "Golden Orden und alten Rosenkreutz of Systems" was created on a foundation of Christian Pietism. The founders of the Order are not really authenticated, according to the authors, the historical leaders would Bernhard Joseph Schleiss von Lowenfeld (1731-1800), Johann Georg Schepfer (1739-1774), Josef Friedrich William Schroeder (1733-1778), Johann Rudolf von Bischoffswerder (1714-1803) & Johann Christof Wollner (1732-1800), may be on the basis of the Circle of BJ Schleiss von Lowenfeld or Societas Societas Roseæ et Aureæ Crucis Rosea and Aurea Crucis d' Hermann Fictuld. of Hermann Fictuld.


These grades will be resumed later in many structures such as Rosi-Crucienne Societas Rosicruciana In Anglia (AIRS) and later in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. . This Organistation claims descent from the Rose Cross of Gold Old System, but a systematic comparative analysis and lessons can assert the contrary. . Although the leader and founder of the Golden Dawn had access to documents printed from the Rose Cross of Gold Old System, the very foundations of correspondences between alchemy and Kabbalah are totally different, the alchemical teachings of the Golden Dawn being almost non-existent or very poor quality, and Kabbalistic teachings totally different. . The only common facts that the structure is caratérisent Para-Masonic quest of Unknown Superiors to sharpen their seniority and a certain authority over their members."

yeah I was just talking about this on another"] thread (It is known that the celestial Virgin wears a crown of white roses and it is also known that the red rose is the signature reserved to the initiates of the higher order, the Rose Cross[/COLOR] "

look at this book: http://www.theprisonerofamorc.com/ it will make you think twice about joining AMORC, it seems the deception goes deeper than just misrepresenting ISBN numbers.

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 09:00 AM
It also says:

Or works have had an enormous influence on this College, like the famous "Opus Mago-Cabbalisticum and Theosophicum" which was published for the first time in Frankfurt in 1719 under the pseudonym Gregorius Sallwigt angulus, which is none other than Georg von Welling ( 1655-1727), a book reprinted many times and considered a "Bible" by Rose Croix Freemasons of that period.This book explains the three key principles of alchemical Salt, Sulfur and Mercury in the comment Chymical, but also with interpretations of scriptures Theosophical view through the lens of Christian Kabbalah & the Alchemy.

Look, look what we have here:

http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc105/th_41306_Picture98_122_105lo.jpg (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41306_Picture98_122_105lo.jpg)

http://img190.imagevenue.com/loc339/th_41363_Picture101_122_339lo.jpg (http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41363_Picture101_122_339lo.jpg)

http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc43/th_41451_Picture107_122_43lo.jpg (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41451_Picture107_122_43lo.jpg)

A short version of the book can be found in RAMs collection but not complete.

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 09:07 AM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14347032/Georg-Von-Welling-1735Opus-MagoCabbalisticum-Et-Theosophic-Um

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 09:09 AM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14347032/Georg-Von-Welling-1735Opus-MagoCabbalisticum-Et-Theosophic-Um

Well this version is also not complete.

I have paid 62 Euros for hardcopy. :mad:

Green Lion
09-15-2010, 09:21 AM
I'll be nice:
There is a book that summarized the Compass of the Wise.
This is the book whose title in French is:
Le vrai et vieux chemin de Nature d'Hermès Trismégiste
(The real and old way of Nature of Hermes Trismegistus).
The author of the book is called I.C.H..
But in fact, he is the same author as who wrote the Compass of the Wise ...
This text exists in French, in German ... and in English for the great seekers.

Salazius
09-15-2010, 12:13 PM
Hum, interesting, thanks !

Green Lion
09-15-2010, 02:28 PM
And to put a little more water to your mouth:
The author of Compass of the Wise was the Master of Cyliani.
Cyliani was the Master of Dr. G. Perard.
G. Perard was the Master of A.L. Gerber.
And A.L. Gerber was one of the Masters of ... Fulcanelli. :)

True Initiate
09-15-2010, 03:13 PM
This text exists in French, in German ... and in English for the great seekers.

Do you know where can it be obtained?

Salazius
09-15-2010, 04:12 PM
And to put a little more water to your mouth:
The author of Compass of the Wise was the Master of Cyliani.
Cyliani was the Master of Dr. G. Perard.
G. Perard was the Master of A.L. Gerber.
And A.L. Gerber was one of the Masters of ... Fulcanelli. :)

Excellent ! If you have other "old oaks familly trees" like that, I take ! :)

Salazius
09-15-2010, 04:29 PM
Somes images of the manuscript of I.C.H.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJDzwETI9SI/AAAAAAAAGa4/e57kMAVJUwg/Capture%20plein%20%C3%A9cran%2015092010%20182403.j pg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJDzx0jMt-I/AAAAAAAAGa8/KWXKJq2ewRE/Capture%20plein%20%C3%A9cran%2015092010%20182356.j pg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJDzzWGSDzI/AAAAAAAAGbA/-tbgJWktmtA/Capture%20plein%20%C3%A9cran%2015092010%20182408.j pg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TJDz03fy1mI/AAAAAAAAGbE/_wxFwBtVtgY/Capture%20plein%20%C3%A9cran%2015092010%20182436.j pg

LeoRetilus
09-15-2010, 08:50 PM
I'll be nice:
There is a book that summarized the Compass of the Wise.
This is the book whose title in French is:
Le vrai et vieux chemin de Nature d'Hermès Trismégiste
(The real and old way of Nature of Hermes Trismegistus).
The author of the book is called I.C.H..
But in fact, he is the same author as who wrote the Compass of the Wise ...
This text exists in French, in German ... and in English for the great seekers.

Thanks, GL

Ghislain
09-16-2010, 04:00 AM
while searching on this subject the text below came up.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23637576/The-Old-Path-The-Way-of-Hermes

An interesting point of view :rolleyes:

Ghislain

LeoRetilus
09-16-2010, 06:01 AM
Had to take them off cause they open blown up fully for some reason,.... but attached below are the only three images in that RAMS folder titled "Compass Of The Wise", and like I mentioned before its only the title page and table of contents, however it does prove that the book was printed by the AMORC press in 1990 translated by Leone Muller under that ISBN that now belongs to a coloring book. So why put a folder in RAMS and not include the whole book? Its not like RAMS had to translate it, its already in english.......or maybe they were only sent the first three pages, either way its a joke.

Green Lion
09-16-2010, 06:12 AM
Very Nice job Leo Retilus !
And where did you find it ? On the web or in hardcover ?

Salazius
09-16-2010, 07:19 AM
Ha yes, that's great LR.

LeoRetilus
09-16-2010, 07:58 AM
Sorry, Green Lion and Salazius, I only posted the images and didn't have time to comment on them before I had to tend to another matter, but I have edited my post and explained where they came from.

So I still haven't been able to come up with an complete English version of it, and neither of "The real and old way of Nature of Hermes Trismegistus", by ICH that you mentioned before GL, but I found where I can buy a copy in French. So I've struck out all the way around, .....and my mouth was so watering. :D

But, on the bright side I got Rosetta Stone in French, Italian and German, so I am going to learn to speak/read all three, so then maybe I'll know six languages and hopefully I can be like that autistic savant Micheal Tennant and learn one a week. :cool: Cause it seems we soley english speaking alchemists are at a disadvantage since we can only rely on RAMS for translations, and knowing Spanish and Tagalog doesn't do me any good cause the majority of them seem to be written in these three languages.

teofrast40
09-16-2010, 11:13 AM
hallo,
interesting thread.
Regarding the compass of the wise, I have the whole english translation by leo muller in the folder "compass" of RAMS DVD. I bought my copy few weeks ago, so maybe it has been added recently, check for upgrades.

regarding the text by I.C.H., i guess the german version to be this:
I.C.H., Das Hermes Trimegists, Leipzig, 1782
that I could not find on the net (not a big problem to me, since that sadly, I don't read german. should start studying it..), nor even I could manage to find a digital copy of the french or english version.
mybe it is possible to find the french manuscript? Salazius, the pages that you kindly gave us are from the printed french version? any reference in there about the manuscript? thanks

green lion, I'm aware of the commentary of G. Perard to hermes devoilè by Cyliani,
http://www.france-secret.com/alchimie_art6.htm
http://www.france-secret.com/alchimie_art7.htm
while I could not find any reference about A.L.Gerber. any hint? thank you

with humility
t

Salazius
09-16-2010, 11:23 AM
Salazius, the pages that you kindly gave us are from the printed french version? any reference in there about the manuscript? thanks


Yes, these pages are just "facsimile" of the real manuscript, it can be found in the french pdf book of I.C.H.

teofrast40
09-16-2010, 02:35 PM
hallo salazius,
you mean the pdf preview from the site editions de la hutte, or the whole text?
meanwhile, for the lucky german readers, there is a transliteration of the leipzig edition here:
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/hermes_trismegists.html
back to searching..

Salazius
09-16-2010, 04:29 PM
There are only few facsimile. The last 'post face' is at the end of the text. Not in the preview.

It is here at "la Hutte (http://www.editionsdelahutte.com/ALCHIMIE.html)" for the preview.

Rueb
09-16-2010, 06:53 PM
I somewhere read the initials as J.C.H.

edit: it was written in kurrent german and the I looks like a J. I compared the letters and it's supposed to be I.C.H.

Rueb

Ghislain
09-16-2010, 07:46 PM
Hi Teofrast40

I took some of the text from your link

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/hermes_trismegists.html

replaced some of the symbols with their respective names in German
then ran it through Google Translator. It didn't do a great job but it is readable
to a point.

I have only done the chapter,"Hermes Trismegists wahrer alter Naturweg" (http://genius.toucansurf.com/The%20Old%20Path%20The%20Way%20of%20Hermes/), right
now but will do a bit more later.

If I am wasting my time and there is already a fully translated english version please let me know. :)

Ghislain

Rueb
09-17-2010, 12:23 AM
... nicht mehr im Handel aufzutreiben ist. Und als Grund hierfür wird angegeben, dasz es s.z. sofort nach Erscheinen infolge dieser Aufrichtigkeit und Treue in Schilderung der Herstellung der Universaltinktur von den Rosenkreuzern aufgekauft und so aus der Welt geschafft worden sein soll.

from: http://www.levity.com/alchemy/hermes_trismegists.html

True Initiate
09-18-2010, 04:14 PM
I got my answer from the Library of Congress.

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This particular book is still protected by copyright and the Library of Congress does not have permission to reproduce or provide online access to the content from the publisher.

I recommend that you contact the publisher directly. The following links take you to the website of the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, English Grand Lodge for the Americas:
http://www.rosicrucian.org/home.html
http://www.rosicrucian.org/about/contact/index.html
Research Library-- http://www.rosicrucian.org/park/library/index.html

They provide access to many items through their website but I did not see this particular publication.

I hope this information is helpful.
Best wishes,
Digital Reference Section
Ask A Librarian Service
The Library of Congress/

Joy
09-19-2010, 05:21 PM
True Puffer,

why did you put an request for the "Compass" in a german forum, when you had the google book already ... and used other
peoples time to look for it?

True Initiate
09-19-2010, 06:54 PM
I did not!
I have found it one day later and i have sent only one private message to the member who helped me with the Google links.
I don't care about the others on that forum who didn't helped me in the first place.

Weidenfeld
09-20-2010, 05:54 PM
regarding the text by I.C.H., i guess the german version to be this:
I.C.H., Das Hermes Trimegists, Leipzig, 1782
that I could not find on the net (not a big problem to me, since that sadly,

What was the original reason for mixing up "Der Compaß der Weisen" with "Des Hermes wahrer alter Naturweg" ?

The latter one could be found here:

http://books.google.at/books?id=YFs6AAAAcAAJ

Btw a really true alchemical text and certainly worth for its translation into other languages !

teofrast40
09-20-2010, 11:48 PM
What was the original reason for mixing up "Der Compaß der Weisen" with "Des Hermes wahrer alter Naturweg" ?


hi,
back to page 3

I'll be nice:
There is a book that summarized the Compass of the Wise.
This is the book whose title in French is:
Le vrai et vieux chemin de Nature d'Hermès Trismégiste
(The real and old way of Nature of Hermes Trismegistus).
The author of the book is called I.C.H..
But in fact, he is the same author as who wrote the Compass of the Wise ...
This text exists in French, in German ... and in English for the great seekers.

vega33
09-22-2010, 08:33 PM
Thanks for the referen ce to Des Hermes Trismegists wahrer elter Naturweg.

BTW I.C.H. or J.C.H., its still an assumed name... just like Fulcanelli. I.C.H./J.C.H. can refer to Jachin, the right hand pillar of Solomon's Temple. Jachin is the foundation, Boaz is strength, therefore the two are inward and outward directed expressions of the same Universal Spirit. Accordingly, I.C.H. would therefore signify an initiate who has completed the process which involves him receiving the light within (in the mystical heart) who is therefore rectified and bright like Jachin, or alternatively if you like Diana, the moon who lies in Yesod (foundation).

So noone can be any the wiser about who he really was, despite any educated guesses.

I find it especially interesting to note the spirals that the author has drawn on page 106 at the bottom of the skeleton's pelvis, as well as the excellent depiction of the descent of the volatile spirit which animates and re-in-forms the dead matter.

Cheers (back to lurk mode again)

Weidenfeld
09-23-2010, 06:29 PM
I'll be nice:
There is a book that summarized the Compass of the Wise.
This is the book whose title in French is:
Le vrai et vieux chemin de Nature d'Hermès Trismégiste
(The real and old way of Nature of Hermes Trismegistus).
The author of the book is called I.C.H..
But in fact, he is the same author as who wrote the Compass of the Wise ...
This text exists in French, in German ... and in English for the great seekers.

Well, I have checked the original text of "Des Hermes Trismegists wahrer alter Naturweg" but could not find any reference to the "Compaß der Weisen". Is it possible that only the French translation contains that reference ? How did you come to the conclusion that both authors might be identical ?

It's quite evident, that Ketmia Vere, the author of the "Compaß der Weisen", was Schleiss von Löwenfeld and not Adam Melchior Birkholtz.

Green Lion
09-24-2010, 05:51 AM
The compass of the wise of Ketmia Vere was published by Adam Michael Birkhol. But it is necessary to know that Birkhol published himself also and used then pen names to sell better his works. He often praised some of his works written with another pen name.
What allows to make the link between the compass of the wise and “Des Hermes Trismegists wahrer alter Naturweg” is the fact that in the compass of the wise appears several times the sentence " Real and canonical Freemasonry " what is an allusion hardly veiled from Des Hermes Trismegists wahrer alter Naturweg signed by the name " I.C.H. a real freemason ".
Furthermore, and it is the most important there, both works speak about the same alchemical way, about the same work and the same observations.
Daniel Hornfischer also makes the link between Birkhol, the compass of the wise, Des Hermes Trismegists wahrer alter Naturweg and the book Von der Nature und Kunst (signed by a certain I.C.H.).

Rueb
09-24-2010, 05:57 PM
Adam Michael Birkholz
AdaMah Booz

Joy
09-24-2010, 08:08 PM
With all respects ...

since all of you are so deeply moved by " the compass of the wise"

the essence of the book... is this a work which gives us a big jump foward,
or do we just follow the believe on the title .... and than, do we may be find out,
that the inholding message is just the same, which we find in all the other texts? .... Joy

teofrast40
09-24-2010, 11:25 PM
hallo joy,
personally I'm interested in every book that speaks true alchemy (I'm talking about the classics). That said, I never expect the next book I find to be revelatory about some "solution" to the alchemical enigma. Every text of a true adept will bring some sparkle of light on a side while in the same time will generate confusion and doubts on the other. I'm afraid this to be part of Alchemy's methodology, so if a text is way too clear about the Art, it could be reasonable to doubt it to be canonical or at least to consider its author to be very envious. There's no ultimate alchemy book.
I red the Compass of the wise (as I said, its in the RAMS collection), and I must say that, beside a lenghty and quite boring prefaction about a sort of history of the brotherhood, the text of the "anonymous brethren" reported by ketmia vere could stand well together with the more renowed classics . It cites mostly Lulle, Cosmopolite and d'Espagnet, while the lengthy notes by ketmia vere refer mainly to Montesnyder. So there's nothing special about the Compass, it's "just" another true alchemy book.
with humility
t

True Initiate
09-25-2010, 09:59 PM
Thank you Teofrast40!

vega33
11-08-2010, 10:07 PM
Thanks to an unexpected windfall, I am having a copy of this work shipped to me. It should arrive around the end of next week.

"A note about the book: This book is a bound photocopy in a quality library buckram binding with raised bands and gilt titles from the library of Leonard Pembroke. The photocopy was done by the British Library and is complete (430+ pages.) It includes the folding and extending frontispiece frequently missing from many editions."

Leonard Pembroke was apparently one of those who continued the study of alchemy in the early 1900s. The chain goes (somewhat) Ayton (G.'.D.'.) > Kohn > Pembroke. He was a theosophist, and was known for producing really good quality copies of alchemical manuscripts.

I may post some photos once I receive it.

Cheers all.

True Initiate
11-10-2010, 07:48 PM
I would love to have a high resolution picture of the front page.

http://img200.imagevenue.com/loc493/th_18409_compassofthewise_122_493lo.jpg (http://img200.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_18409_compassofthewise_122_493lo. jpg)

Weidenfeld
11-11-2010, 10:51 PM
I would love to have a high resolution picture of the front page.

I have a picture with a sufficient resolution, but how I can attach it without using an external link ?

horticult
11-12-2010, 12:29 PM
reply - go advanced - manage attachments /below/ - add files

but limited 4MB

Weidenfeld
11-12-2010, 05:18 PM
Sorry, but it doesn't work. There appears an ! sign which notifies an error (#403). I don't know what this means.

vega33
11-15-2010, 09:56 PM
Hi folks

Apologies for the crappy scan, but the buckram binding is less than ideal for making copies.

I also got the 403 error, but you can view the file here:
http://www.imaginalrealms.com/dercompassderweisen.jpg

200dpi greyscale. The original is already a photocopy by the British Museum, although at 1:1 AFAIK (the book is quite small - 11cm x 18cm!)

Cheers
P.'.A.'.M.'.

Seth-Ra
11-16-2010, 01:24 AM
Thanks for the link of the higher-rez image. Enjoying it... :)



~Seth-Ra

True Initiate
11-16-2010, 11:15 PM
Thank you very much vega33!

http://img209.imagevenue.com/loc22/th_49111_dercompassderweisen_122_22lo.jpg (http://img209.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=49111_dercompassderweisen_122_22lo.j pg)

In the picture above that vega33 charitably shared with us we can clearly see a magnetized pointer pointing from the symbol of Sulphur to the symbol of Nitre (or sea salt, i am not so sure) and going through the mediator represented with a globe with the cross on top and three lines in the center of the circle representing the first matter (Antimony??).

On the table "above" we also see the symbols for Sulphur,Sal Amoniac, Vitriol, Nitre, Alum and Tartar all born from the white and red sulpurs of Sol & Luna which in return are giving birth to the seven metals "below" the table.

Do somebody have a better explanation (understanding) for the symbol sitting in the middle of the table?



.

Seth-Ra
11-16-2010, 11:32 PM
In the picture above that vega33 charitably shared with us we can clearly see a magnetized pointer pointing from the symbol of Sulphur to the symbol of Nitre (or sea salt, i am not so sure) and going through the mediator represented with a globe with the cross on top and three lines in the center of the circle representing the first matter (Antimony??).
Do somebody have a better explanation?
.


I was under the impression it was meaning to merge the opposites of Sulphur/fire/spirit with Salt/earth/matter. (pointed out by the "compass") Just above it shows the fire with Sulphur, and water with Mercury, considering also the circle they are in, and how they are lined makes the symbol for salt too, and in some respect, squaring the circle, all in one. Balancing the 3 in the one. The Antimony would be the actual matter - and true to antimony's name "not alone" - consisting of the 3 in harmony by proper working from Below and Above into One.

There is a good deal in this particular pic... can anyone tell me what the writing up in the top left and top right corners means? I tried using a translator and it either has something to do with the 15th of May, or perhaps at the 5th hour of the morning in May - but thats just what i was coming up with. The "j" and "B" on the pillars stumped me for a bit, until i thought the compass part makes a "O" and when i ran "j OB" in it translated it as "For the one". Interesting indeed... :D

Much more too...



~Seth-Ra

True Initiate
11-16-2010, 11:52 PM
I was under the impression it was meaning to merge the opposites of Sulphur/fire/spirit with Salt/earth/matter. (pointed out by the "compass") Just above it shows the fire with Sulphur, and water with Mercury, considering also the circle they are in, and how they are lined makes the symbol for salt too, and in some respect, squaring the circle, all in one. Balancing the 3 in the one. The Antimony would be the actual matter - and true to antimony's name "not alone" - consisting of the 3 in harmony by proper working from Below and Above into One.

Interesting viewpoint...



There is a good deal in this particular pic... can anyone tell me what the writing up in the top left and top right corners means? I tried using a translator and it either has something to do with the 15th of May, or perhaps at the 5th hour of the morning in May - but thats just what i was coming up with.

Writing on the top SCH(A)MAIIM is a word found in the Hebrew Bible describing the upper fiery waters of Moses as described in Genesis.The word SCH(A)MAIIM or Shamajim is composed of two Hebrew words Aesch+Majim meaning Fire (igneous God's spirit)+Water with which everything was created in the beginning.
You can learn a great deal about Shamajim in the book Opus Mago from Georg von Welling.
http://books.google.com/books?id=-BoGFw1TXy0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Georg+von+Welling&hl=de&ei=ghfjTMKdFojIswa90s3lCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false



The "j" and "B" on the pillars stumped me for a bit, until i thought the compass part makes a "O" and when i ran "j OB" in it translated it as "For the one". Interesting indeed... :D

http://img176.imagevenue.com/loc201/th_51291_Joachim_Boaz_122_201lo.jpg (http://img176.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51291_Joachim_Boaz_122_201lo.jpg)

The letters J and B stands for the names of the two pillars Joachim and Boaz found at the entrance of the Solomons temple and built by the architect Hiram Abiff.
http://symboldictionary.net/?p=2530

Seth-Ra
11-16-2010, 11:54 PM
Ah i see, Hebrew - i was translating it from a latin view point. lol

Thanks for the info. :)


~Seth-Ra

vega33
11-17-2010, 05:54 AM
Hi

Just a quick note: the SCH(A)MAIIM is not quite correct. The binding cut off the remainder of the text on the left which can be seen in the smaller version - AESCH (fire) on the left, MAYIM on the right.

Incidentally, Mayim and Aesch both accurately reflect symbolically the nature of the two matters: Mem Yod Mem is Water, with the Yod/flame/spirit hidden within. Aesch, on the other hand, is just as expressive (think Cheth = fence, enclosure, etc).

I think this picture makes a lot more sense when considered in relation to the first plate (which Salazius kindly provided at the beginning of this thread). But I'll take the time to provide some more thoughts at some later date.

Its going to take me some time totranslate any of it :> reading Fraktur fonts is a PITA.

Joshua
02-09-2011, 10:34 AM
So, is there an English version available anywhere? It appears the AMORC version is not available. Am I incorrect in this? Any assistance on this one would be appreciated much.

sam
06-01-2012, 03:33 PM
The "Naturweg" manuscript (which is a brief but IMO complete summary of the compass) has now been translated into English and was published with LULU.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/ich-a-true-freemason/hermes-trismegistusold-and-true-natural-path/paperback/product-20096407.html

The German transcription floating around the alchemy places of the web is quite faulty, I provide a corrected version (about 200 errors corrected counting the smaller ones also) for d/l here:

http://alchemie.m31.de/hermes-pdf.html

-sam

Krisztian
06-01-2012, 04:32 PM
Indeed, the creation of the Order corresponds with the popularity of High Masonic Degrees beyond the Blue Lodges, the lodges called "Reds".

Royal Arch is known to be called "reds".

Krisztian
06-01-2012, 04:38 PM
the SCH(A)MAIIM is not quite correct. The binding cut off the remainder of the text on the left which can be seen in the smaller version - AESCH (fire) on the left, MAYIM on the right. Incidentally, Mayim and Aesch both accurately reflect symbolically the nature of the two matters: Mem Yod Mem is Water, with the Yod/flame/spirit hidden within. Aesch, on the other hand, is just as expressive (think Cheth = fence, enclosure, etc).

Georg von Welling wrote in Opus Mago-cabbalisticum Et Theosophicum some very profound descriptions of mayim and aesch. I think what you mention in your posting is very important for us in our alchemical work.

True Initiate
06-01-2012, 05:55 PM
Mayim and Aesch also means water and fire, the two primary elements.

vega33
06-03-2012, 08:11 AM
Georg von Welling wrote in Opus Mago-cabbalisticum Et Theosophicum some very profound descriptions of mayim and aesch. I think what you mention in your posting is very important for us in our alchemical work.

Thanks Kristian, I've really enjoyed some of von Welling's work (his experiment with the production of a solar oil of sorts was quite an eye opener) and its exciting to know that I.C.H.'s Naturweg is now available in an English translation now!

@TP: yes fire and water, or fiery-water and watery-fire is what the plate is referring to, that's why I was mentioning the yod in Mayim (water) as signifying that hidden fire within water, and the idea of Cheth as the fire enclosure or dwelling (the humid radical) spoken of in Pernety. Technically its not a literalistic etymology for the word, but then green language never is, its more about what it reveals by its light-and-shadow. Cheers.

Krisztian
06-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Thanks Kristian, I've really enjoyed some of von Welling's work (his experiment with the production of a solar oil of sorts was quite an eye opener) and its exciting to know that I.C.H.'s Naturweg is now available in an English translation now!

@TP: yes fire and water, or fiery-water and watery-fire is what the plate is referring to, that's why I was mentioning the yod in Mayim (water) as signifying that hidden fire within water, and the idea of Cheth as the fire enclosure or dwelling (the humid radical) spoken of in Pernety. Technically its not a literalistic etymology for the word, but then green language never is, its more about what it reveals by its light-and-shadow. Cheers.

In my lab I have a good number of diagrams and alchemical illustrations printed out, placed on the far left wall, and my eye keeps seeing those two words "AESCH" and "MAYIM" as of late. I'm wondering whether I should look into this topic again? (I'm becoming more and more focussed on what my daily awareness is drawn to; I noticed how much it teaches, and how much I miss when I'm not sensetive or qucik to dismiss.)

Lapis Ignis
01-02-2013, 05:47 AM
Hello all, there is an english version in the R.A.M.S collection. I scanned it for the collection sometime after I got it during August 2010. The copy was the only one in the more than 20 boxes of materials I picked up from one of Hans's sons. I am currently cataloguing all of the documents in the archives and hope to scan them for inclusion in the R.A.M.S collection. This is where the new book by Lapidus was found,it is being published by Salamander and Sons, for those interested in the works of Lapidus.

JDP
01-02-2013, 10:29 AM
Hello all, there is an english version in the R.A.M.S collection. I scanned it for the collection sometime after I got it during August 2010. The copy was the only one in the more than 20 boxes of materials I picked up from one of Hans's sons. I am currently cataloguing all of the documents in the archives and hope to scan them for inclusion in the R.A.M.S collection. This is where the new book by Lapidus was found,it is being published by Salamander and Sons, for those interested in the works of Lapidus.

In those more than 20 boxes of materials, do you happen to have stumbled upon a copy of an English translation of this book by Fra Donato d'Eremita?:

http://archive.org/stream/dellelixirvitae00dona#page/n0/mode/2up

The RAMS people apparently intended to publish it back in 1983:

http://ramsdigital.com/pics/pg20.jpg

It seems to be the only one of their advertised translations that has never been located.

Lapis Ignis
01-02-2013, 01:26 PM
Hi JDP, I haven't came across that title yet. There are a couple of titles Amor Proximo anonymous and The Secret Fire by Cyliani we were looking for that was on the post 1990 advertisement I came across in the boxes. It's the yellow ad on the R.A.M.S site, I looked at it and the title you mentioned is not on that list. It might be among the 100 + titles that Hans's son still has in his possession. These are photocopies of titles yet to be translated. Maybe it's in there. The two titles I mentioned have yet to be found either. So until the list of texts reaches me I don't what is among the yet to be translated items. When I get some information I will post it.

Andro
01-01-2015, 10:39 PM
There are a couple of titles Amor Proximo anonymous and The Secret Fire by Cyliani we were looking for that was on the post 1990 advertisement I came across in the boxes. The two titles I mentioned have yet to be found either.

Apparently, 'The Secret Fire' by Cyliani doesn't really exist...

See: http://www.levity.com/alchemy/t_cyliani.html
(http://www.levity.com/alchemy/t_cyliani.html)