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11-21-2010, 03:53 PM
A case for urine?... http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/64/4/435.full

11-22-2010, 03:09 AM
It certainly makes a case for it, but it didn't sell it for me.

There's something called the "mirror of art," and in this mirror our mind tries desperately to find the "one matter," but in the end, our mirror is deceptive, and our mind tends to immediately cry out: "it is this, or it is that!" The matter that we choose in return reflects our own understanding (or lack thereof) of the art, and so we get a varied array of choices: coal, urine, dirt, clay, excrement, hair, blood, semen, etc.

11-23-2010, 04:46 PM
On this thread: http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1835-The-Freedom-of-Choice&p=11709#post11709 I gave some links to “Cosmic Awareness” eBooks.

Following these links…




...leads to an article from the same source on the subject of The Philosopher’s Stone.

I don’t believe I’m giving anything away here, as

1) This article has been in the public domain for nearly 20 years.

2) The process, as given, is not complete, and, in any case, isn’t saying anything more than has already been said on this, and other, forums.

3) Members of this forum are welcome to point out any misstatements or incorrect premises, if they like - or offer a general, scathing dismissal, if it calls for one. I am not presenting it as “Facts Which I Have Established,” but rather as simply “[Yet] A[nother] Case For Urine.” If the text is merely preposterous, no one is the worse off for having been momentarily entertained.

Anyone intending to act on this may do well to bear in mind the gentle heads-up given here:


__________________________________________________ _____________________

(Excerpt from a CAC General Reading, April 10, 1992)

QUESTION: A question from A.J. in Columbus, Ohio. "In a previous reading, you told us what herbs were consumed by Lee Chen Yung in China, who was reported to have lived to be 256 years of age. The medieval English writer, Roger Bacon, wrote in the 13th Century AD of an Arab named Artephius, who Bacon said lived to be 1,025 years of age at a time far later than the long-lived people listed in the Bible. I must say that I am very skeptical of this. If Bacon's report is true, this information would be in the Akashic Record. Is Bacon's report true?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates that the entity Roger Bacon as one who was an alchemist. An alchemist is capable of creating that which is known as the Philosopher's Stone, for turning lead into gold, and also for rejuvenating self. This Awareness indicates that the entity, in describing this Arab, described a fellow alchemist, whom he had knowledge of, and that this fellow alchemist did indeed live an enormously long life. It appears there is some exaggeration in terms of years of his life, or the claims of the entity. This Awareness indicates that the Philosopher's Stone as that which rejuvenates and helps to restore youthful energies in the system. This Awareness indicates that it appears to have been a valid assertion on the part of Roger Bacon.

FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: He had a follow-up question: "If the answer is in the affirmative, what did he consume or do which caused him to live to such an extremely old age in times when the vast majority of people didn't even reach 50 years of age?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates that this has been given: the entity consumed parts of that which is known as the Philosopher's Stone. This Awareness indicates that this Philosopher's Stone is that which is described in many of the old alchemy books, that it has been written of in its creation through coded writings speaking of Fire, Air, Water and Sulfur, Quicksilver (Mercury) and Eagle's Wings. It has been described as coming from the First Matter (Prima Materia) and being made from the most abhorrent element there is, that which is hated by all human-kind, and as having been pierced by the dagger of the alchemist. There are many different codes and symbolism used to explain the secret approach to the alchemist's creation of the Philosopher's Stone. Once the Philosopher's Stone is developed, it serves as a kind of powder that can be put into the melted lead and its presence then turns that lead into gold, or it can be taken orally as a kind of elixir of life which turns the aged into a younger person. This Awareness indicates that all this symbolism of the alchemists led many entities to experiment with elements of mercury, sulfur, etc., and eventually led to modern-day chemistry as it evolved out of alchemy. This Awareness indicates that there are dangers involved in the study of alchemy. There are also certain requirements in terms of one's motives and spirits. This Awareness hesitates to explain the technique for creating the Philosopher's Stone because there are mistakes that can be made and entities are likely to risk those mistakes for purposes that are nothing more than greedy. This Awareness indicates that entities playing with alchemy need to be extremely spiritual and avoid the greed aspects. It can turn against you. This Awareness indicates however, that it does appear that the time is right for some entities to become knowledgeable about this ancient science. This Awareness will give a short summary in plain English of the ways by which the Philosopher's Stone is made, and suggests that before anyone begins studying and making this Philosopher's Stone, that they turn to the books and symbolism on alchemy and study these areas more thoroughly. Cosmic Awareness Breaks the Secret Code This Awareness is simply breaking the code for you to allow you to study those alchemy books in light of the code revealed. This Awareness indicates that It does not wish to get involved further in helping you to create your Philosopher's Stone after revealing this code. Your responsibilities in this action are those of your own.

The "First Matter" This Awareness indicates that the First Matter for alchemist normally referred to as water, is that element known as urine. This Awareness indicates that the urine is taken at the time of the spring or fall, at the eclipse of the moon. This is often referred to in alchemy as the "Slaying of Diana," Diana being the Goddess of the Moon.

This Awareness indicates that this is to be put into a cornerless jug, in other words a jug that is bulbous in shape, without any corners, so that the urine can flow without being caught in any corners. The urine or First Matter, is sometimes described as Mercury and Sulfur; mercury because it flows in a liquid form, and sulfur because of the sulfur content in urine.

This Awareness indicates that in this rounded bulbous bottle there needs to be a cork or seal, preferably a cork, that can be put in after 40 days. The bulbous bottle with the urine in it is kept at room temperature approximately 80 degrees, or 75 degrees, relatively warm, during that 40 days. After the 40 days, it may be capped with a cork, to continue fermentation. The fermentation that occurs during the first 40 days requires that you have it somewhere that can allow for the odor to escape without offending others. This Awareness suggests that this may be in a garage or room or shed, someplace where it can be kept warm, such as in a bucket of sand that is on a hot water tank or some place that keeps the temperature up. A light bulb in a box, after the sand has been heated may keep the box warm enough and may keep the bulb bottle warm enough.

The "Eagle's Wing" This Awareness indicates that after the 40 days, the substance is corked, the cork put in and sealed with wax, dripping wax around the cork so that no air can enter or leave. This Awareness indicates that the temperature remains warm, but below body temperature, and time passes. After several months you will see a rainbow-like oil on top. This is referred to in the alchemical symbolism as the "Eagle's Wing." It is colorful in that the oil, when light strikes it, causes a rainbow effect so that there are colorful reflections on the oil that surfaces or floats to the top of the mixture. This Awareness indicates during this time, the substance grows dark, almost black, and the Eagle's Wing, or the oil floating on top becomes more vivid.

This Awareness indicates that as the year comes to a close, the oil begins to turn red in color, a more reddish color, and eventually, near the end of the year, it should become more or less dried out as a whitish colored powder. Creating the "Starter" This Awareness indicates that the white powder is the Philosopher's Stone, which then can become a product for creating more Philosopher's Stone by adding more urine and simply allowing it to ferment and evaporate. It works faster once it has a starter. Much like the starter in sourdough, it creates the starter for the more rapid creation of the Philosopher's Stone being repeatedly created.

This Awareness indicates that of course, the cork is removed after one year and new urine is added, and allowed to ferment and evaporate, creating still more Philosopher's Stone as it moves through the process. It does not become necessary to recap the bottle after the first year, but by simply adding to it, the mixture evaporates, leaving more residue as Philosopher's Stone.

This Awareness indicates that from this brief description, It suggests that entities wishing to study further should read some of the alchemy books available, but not to become too hung up in those books for many of the alchemy books are written by entities who do know what they are talking about, unless these are from the 16th Century. Many of the modern-day writers are speculating and guessing, and the main information you seek should come from books they quote from the 16th Century, or books from alchemists such as Saint Germaine, or Roger Bacon. This Awareness indicates that once the symbolism is understood, you will be able to gather more meaning from these alchemy books, but it is important not to talk too much to others about what you are doing and it is important to work and grow spiritually as you progress with your alchemy experiment. This Awareness indicates the main reason for studying the alchemy books is to look for those symbols so that you can convey the information symbolically to other alchemists and not have to talk in plain English, in areas and in situations that would be undesirable to you.

FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: The urine used, I assume is that of the alchemist.

COSMIC AWARENESS: This is in the affirmative. This Awareness indicates that once the first Philosopher's Stone powder is made, additional urine can be added to the bottle, and the substance can be heated enough to allow it to evaporate at a more accelerated rate; however, it should never be raised above body temperature.

QUESTION: While we're on this subject, we had a letter from K.K., Indianapolis, Indiana, which we checked out with Sam Millar (CAC Tarot Reader), who said his motives were sincere, and I'd like to read this and ask if the information just given would be sufficient for this entity to work with. He writes: "I was pleasantly surprised to see the mention that some information has been 'interpreted' by Ralph Duby on the subjects of alchemy and metallurgy. My spiritual studies, meditations, contemplation, writings, etc. lead me to believe that some of the principles of Nature (human, etc.) also applied to the mineral kingdom. And I began serious laboratory work in spiritual chemistry (alchemy) beginning in early 1988. The progress towards accomplishing the Magnum Opus has been steady and satisfying. And I feel confident in accomplishing the work. Over the years I have dreamt of the possibilities -- to help C.A.C., the Aquarian church, and other humanitarian activities. I believe these are strong possibilities to come in the future. I have thought of writing to ask Awareness for insight to help me with the work, but so far I have gone it 'alone'. So, while I was first inspired to write in order to ask for the information that Ralph Duby 'interpreted' years ago that pertain to the subjects, at this point perhaps we should ask Awareness about my situation specifically, to see if any help may be offered. If you would like to ask in general that would be great. Consequently I could compile a short list of (not too technical) questions that would help me. The art of Alchemy is in the 'domain' of Natural Philosophy, so the philosophical insights, at the very least, would be very interesting to the readers, I believe." And that basically was his request and I'd like to ask Awareness if the information just given would be satisfactory to this entity?

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates this as being sufficient for the entity to create that which is known as the Philosopher's Stone; that there are many entities who attempt to deal with alchemy using metals; that this is not the proper understanding of the science. They can have many rewards in that direction also in terms of the action of chemistry. Proof of Alchemy in British Museum This Awareness reminds entities there is a coin in the British Museum that is half lead and half gold. It is divided, not pressed together or made of two pieces of metal, but it is divided as one piece of metal, half of which is gold in nature, the other half as lead. These markings on the coin suggest that it was lead to begin with, and that the gold simply was a transmutation that occurred to the coin.

CLOSING MESSAGE: This Awareness indicates that there was a time when the disclosure of information relating to alchemy would have been certain death to entities disclosing such information, but because alchemy as a science has more or less died out, is no longer seen as valid, and the books on the subject are so confused with symbolism, speculation, and double- talk, it is at a stage now where there are no alchemists around to protect their sacred science, and therefore, information on the subject is only available when given in plain English. The rest is nothing but confusion. This Awareness indicates however, that It does wish entities to understand the symbolism of alchemy relates to far more than turning lead into gold. It relates to turning the philosopher, the alchemist, also into a golden being, a being of high spiritual nature. Without the spiritual qualities, it is unlikely that the Philosopher's Stone will ever have truly high quality. The quality of the individual helps to go into the making of the Philosopher's Stone. It is related to the Law of Sympathetic Vibration: that whatever the alchemist is in his own vibration, that vibration resonates in the crystal of the Philosopher's Stone, and thus, the Philosopher's Stone is of the same frequency as the philosopher or alchemist. This Awareness indicates that as the Philosopher's Stone is created to develop a high spiritual frequency and then is ingested by the philosopher himself, the alchemist; that frequency of a spiritual level then enters into the physical body to become a catalyst for altering the physical cells to that same high frequency and it is in that manner that the rejuvenating effects take place. (End of Reading; The Law of Gratitude is given.)

MORE ON HOW TO CREATE THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE (How Can You Keep the Liquid Warm For a Full Year?)

QUESTION: We recently published the Philosopher Stone information, and quite a few of the members are trying the experiment. There's some questions on this from L.J. in New England. She wants to know: "The Philosopher's Stone/alchemy; must this be done at full eclipse or will partial do? And must the urine be passed at the height of the eclipse? And how does this affect the alchemy?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates that a partial eclipse is sufficient; that it does not necessarily require it be at the exact height of the eclipse; it is more of a close proximity that is important. This Awareness indicates that the alchemy experiment can be started in any year, at the eclipse of the moon, either in the Spring or in the Fall, and at any place, regardless of whether it is a full eclipse or a partial eclipse.

QUESTION: She wants to know: "How can liquid in a sealed container turn to powder?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates that it has to be maintained at a warm temperature. It is suggested the temperature be near that of the human body, however, it appears that 98.6 is somewhat too much. It would appear that a temperature of approximately 85 degrees would be sufficient. As it sits for a year at such temperature, the energies inside the bottle begin to go through certain cycles. At one point it becomes very black in color; at another point, oils appear which reflect different colors of light as they float on the liquid; these in alchemical terms a red, so-called Eagle's Wings. It is spoken of in alchemical terms as the Black Eagle, or Black Oil. This Awareness indicates there is also a time when it appears red and it is called red oil. At such times the liquid becomes lower in the bottle. The liquid totally evaporates and leaves the bottle through whatever occurs so that the elements of hydrogen, oxygen, in its two parts, the H20, is no longer there as a combined liquid and you end up with certain powder. The powder generally turns white at the end of the cycle. This Awareness indicates that a way by which you may keep the bottle warm as necessary would be to keep it in a bucket of sand in which the bucket is heated throughout the year so that the sand always maintains a constant temperature. This Awareness indicates that if the bottle is hermetically sealed so as not to leak, the temperature can be higher, such as the 98.6 suggested by the alchemists. If you cannot seal it properly so that there may be some potential for leakage of the liquid, then it is best to drop your temperature somewhat, keeping it close to 80 or 85 degrees. This Awareness indicates of course, if it is truly hermetically sealed, a temperature of 98.6, which is below boiling and yet is warm enough to keep the substance moving and stirring; this would be the more ideal. By using sand as a carrier for the heat, you can assure an even temperature of the liquid.

QUESTION: "Why, is this called "stone" if it's a powder? Books say the Philosopher's Stone refers to transformation of consciousness only."

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates It is giving you the information of alchemists. It is not giving you the information of authors who write about alchemy.

QUESTION: "What is the prescribed dosage or frequency for rejuvenation? Will it restore even people with "invariably fatal" conditions to health?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates that if it is done properly, which requires also a certain mental parallel work, then the entity can be rejuvenated, even in levels of health. This Awareness indicates that there is a parallel movement between the entity's psyche and the work in terms of the Philosopher's Stone. This Awareness indicates that as an entity progresses with the spiritual growth that occurs within his or her psyche, the attunement of the vibration to the stone affects the psyche of the individual. They both complement each other. This Awareness indicates that it is an art form more than a scientific form of changing consciousness and matter. The transmutation has as much a dependency on psychic energies as on chemical energies.

QUESTION: Once you've got this powder, how do entities administer it? Do they add it to water, and drink it? What is the prescribed dosage for this?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates that usually, when an alchemist creates the energy of the Philosopher's Stone, the powder, the entity then begins to use that powder to create more: this by further addition of further liquid, and the process serves as a kind of catalyst to move the liquid more quickly. At some point it can be done without sealing the liquid so that it evaporates quickly and dries and the powder turns the new liquid into more powder. This Awareness indicates that as more and more is created, an entity can have a large amount, and it only takes small amounts to serve as the substance to ingest, this being approximately 1/8th or 1/16th of a teaspoon of powder per day or per week, depending on how quickly the entity wants to make changes. Changes that are too rapid can be somewhat unpleasant. Thus, entities need to take the powder slowly and carefully. You cannot give the powder to someone else; it must be your own alchemical creation for yourself.

HOW WAS THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE DISCOVERED? (An Important Leak Was Taken in 12,000 BC)

QUESTION: She asks: "Where did the formula for the Philosopher's Stone originate? How could anyone have known or suspected this or figured it out, or was it revealed?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: This Awareness indicates this was used back in ancient Atlantis and in Egypt. It came about partly by accident in which entities ingested substances found in the desert, where there had been what appears to have been a place where a certain entity urinated frequently and at some point noticed the white powder on the earth without recognizing how it got there, tasted it and noticed certain things happening to him. After some time, the entity began to realize what it was and how it worked. This Awareness indicates this appears to be approximately 12,000 B.C. This Awareness suggests that the entity did not discover at that time the effects of the powder on metal; only at some much later time was this aspect of alchemy recognized.


QUESTION: "How does it accomplish what it does?"

COSMIC AWARENESS: (After a long pause) This Awareness indicates that the question: How does an alchemical activity accomplish what it does is extremely difficult to put into words. Alchemy is the ability to change consciousness, to change forms, substances and vibrations. This Awareness suggests that in the changing of vibrations, an entity can say: "How does the vibration change?" This Awareness indicates that there are many ways to change vibrations. They either speed up or slow down. It is like asking: "How does life come to be?" It is not something that can easily be explained in words. It is an experience. Human tongue is not the proper tool for explaining the experience of life or how life came to be. Words are not the proper form or tools for explaining how life came to be. This Awareness indicates that the changing of frequencies and vibrations create all manner of results. The holding of temperature over long periods of time on a fluid that is vibrating at your own frequency, holding that at a certain temperature for years throughout an entire solar cycle, changes the frequency to a higher octave and has an effect on your own frequency. This Awareness indicates that it can also have an effect on the frequency of metals that have been placed in its vicinity. It can have an affect on other things that are vibrating at a frequency so that the frequencies are changed. This Awareness indicates that as with all things in life, the frequencies of energies are the key to what they are, to how they express themselves and to how they are perceived or valued. These frequencies also affect events, actions, attitudes, thoughts, and behavior. There are many ways in which entities can alter frequencies, change consciousness, change events, physical relationships, through the manipulation or altering of frequency. This Awareness indicates this entire field of changing frequencies is that which can be called alchemy, and it is an art.

11-23-2010, 05:19 PM
3) Members of this forum are welcome to point out any misstatements or incorrect premises, if they like - or offer a general, scathing dismissal, if it calls for one. I am not presenting it as “Facts Which I Have Established,” but rather as simply “[Yet] A[nother] Case For Urine.” If the text is merely preposterous, no one is the worse off for having been momentarily entertained.

Hi Albion, I shall take the lesser route on this subject once again. I suppose I'll be the one to put forth my tally for a scathing dismissal. This whole thing sounds like something that *** concocted. In my opinion, there are a few interesting things that should be taken from it, but the rest I would set aside for later. I'm very skeptical when it comes to such channeled information. Often times the channeler influences the 'message.'

There are little tricks, called particulars, that we can do using various animal materials that will create something that for all intents & purposes can be called a "stone," and they will have some of the virtues & abilities as the Philosopher's Stone, but I do not think it should be confused with the one true Philosopher's Stone. Such particulars have been proven to work, but their power tends to be greatly limited compared to the real deal. In my opinion, this is what we have here.

11-23-2010, 06:54 PM
Okee dokee... :-) ... Thanks for the feedback, Aleilius!

11-23-2010, 08:02 PM
All common matters will be particular matters unless the starter is universal spiritus mundi condensed. Plant, animal and mineral/metal are all linked and will all bare the same, depending on the artist working. ;)


11-23-2010, 08:32 PM
It might be interesting to read those facsimile photos of the actual documents to see if this way is any different than others. I get distorted views which can't be read (by me). If anybody has the skill or technology to read these documents submitted to the Royal Society and could post them, I'm sure there are others besides myself who would be interested and grateful.

11-24-2010, 03:45 PM
In case anyone has an interest in this, here are a couple of URL's showing how some of Western Science's most eminent scientists thought they had something that should be hidden from public view. the fist URL is from Google books; check the bottom of page 267; the second URL is an article on these documents.#1URL: http://books.google.ca/books?id=1HoMg9d7SuUC&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=oldenburg+letter+to+winthrop&source=bl&ots=MiXpJ1v2R6&sig=0MrGYYdm68hXiXUK_KPu9LPk7B0&hl=en&ei=Hy7tTP3HDY6fnwexgsnNAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=oldenburg%20letter%20to%20winthrop&f=false #2URL: http://revistapesquisa.fapesp.br/?art=2348&bd=1&pg=1&lg=en

02-07-2012, 05:05 PM
Some interesting stuff on urine.

Intra-cellular fluids define the fluids that are inside our estimated 10-100 trillion body cells. The pH
of the blood is usually slightly basic with a value or range of pH 7.35 to 7.45, which means normal
blood is slightly alkaline. This value is often referred to as the physiological pH in biology and in
medicine and all other fluids in the body that surround the cells and tissues regulate themselves
from this physiological pH. This means our trillions of cells bath in an ocean of fluid whose pH is 7.4
in alkalinity on the average. The intra-cellular fluids that are inside of our cells have a physiological
pH of 7, which is neutral. Every healthy cell in our body has a job to do and works for a living. This
cellular work produces a waste product like any combustion process will, which is slightly acidic and
will be excreted by the cell into its interstitial space that is all around the cell. This waste is gathered
and concentrated by the body and some of it is eliminated in the urine. Excreted urine can have a pH
value of 6, which is slightly acidic.

Source: ( http://voices.yahoo.com/alkaline-acid-mind-body-mouth-ph-lets-talk-9070633.html)

Urine has a daily shift between alkaline in the afternoon acidic in the morning.
This simply shows the ability of the bodies metabolic systems to clear acids which
are a natural result of living processes.


Source: ( http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=acid%20%3D%20moon%20alkali%20%3D%20sun&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eumundimedicineman.com%2Fshop %2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FAcid-Alkaline-Article.docx&ei=aC4xT4_MGYHb0QX9p_2yBw&usg=AFQjCNEFgfD8svACeQ1l4bhUeWHJAL_Nqw)

This places great importance on the time for collecting the golden water.