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Phoenix
01-04-2009, 01:09 AM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm) created by mescalinfusion.

I've been toying with the idea of studying Chinese medical Qi Gong therapy alongside Hermetic alchemy, although I am uncertain as to whether to follow through or not, since both demand lifelong dedication and hard work. I wonder if it is better just to stick with Hermetic alchemy, rather than spreading myself too thin. I go back and forth.

The inspiration to study Chinese alchemy and medical Qi Gong came from this one guy, a Westerner, Dr. Jerry Allan Johnson. His stuff is amazing! Whether or not I will end up studying Qi Gong, I would still very much like to meet him. So I feel like sharing the inspiration.

Here are the first 2 of his 5-volume series of books, considered as the bibles of Qi Gong by many modern Chinese medicine practitioners. Read the product descriptions!

Volume 1: Energetic Anatomy and Physiology
http://www.amazon.com/Energetic-Anatomy-Physiology-Chinese-Medical/dp/1885246285/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200444770&sr=8-1

Energetic Alchemy, Dao Yin Therapy and Qi Deviations
http://www.amazon.com/Energetic-Alchemy-Therapy-Deviations-Chinese/dp/1885246293/ref=pd_sim_b_img_1

Here is his website:
http://www.daoistmagic.com
and browse his other books available on the website
http://www.daoistmagic.com/info.php?i=2191
It is all very interesting... I'll bump these when I find the time into the resource page!

I am sure m1thr0s has got a thing or two to say about Chinese Alchemy. Personally I have only skimmed the surface... but it is all very attractive!


Personally I think there are so many parallels between the various alchemical traditions that its almost certainly best to get as broad a knowledge of the different traditions as possible. What is more, I think some of the Eastern traditions, such as the Taoist alchemy you mention, have a much more developed sense of body alchemy then we find in the west. In Taoism for example, we have Tai Chi and Qi Gong.

What is more, Taoist, Tantric, Hindu and Bhuddist alchemical traditions all maintain the importance of sexual alchemy. If we look at the symbols of the Hermetic tradition, we find that sexual alchemy is encoded in its symbols, but its importance has been greatly suppressed, probably as a result Hermeticism having had to survive under first Islam, then Christianity, neither of which are renowned for their sexual tolerance.
Science and magic in Ge Hong's Baopu-zi nei pian (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/ge_hong.html) by Evgueni A. Tortchinov

http://www.itmonline.org/docs/image/kohung.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge_Hong)


Dosnt the author of that artice mean Taoist! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism)

This is the chinese concept of the Tao. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao)

He who follows the Tao is one with the Tao

The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao;
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
'Nothingness' is the beginning of heaven and earth.
'Oneness' is the mother of everythings.
Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations.
These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gate to all mystery.

Tao Te Ching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching) & Tai Chi Chuan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_chi_chuan) & Dim Mak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_Mak)

Awani
02-01-2011, 08:48 PM
http://www.goldenelixir.com/index.html


The Golden Elixir website contains materials on Taoism and Taoist alchemy, including essays, selections from original texts, illustrations, and a choice of entries from The Encyclopedia of Taoism.

:cool:

Frater IA
02-02-2011, 04:42 PM
While this is a pheonix thread, I still feel I should comment. Every path walked is a different path, very few paths are direct. Many times corresponding multiple paths and "understandings" allow "actual wisdom" to be attained much more quickly and efficiently than if one only walked the direct path.

In Light.

Avatar
11-03-2012, 05:55 PM
Hui Ming Jing translated text.

Andro
11-03-2012, 06:16 PM
Hui Ming Jing translated text.

Is this a statement? A question? An inquiry? A search tip?

(It's not a link, so I'm just asking/wondering)

Avatar
11-04-2012, 05:35 AM
Google it!!

Lol. It is a text. Talking of samadhi and the sacred art of physiological transformation.

India has samadhi down to a science.

Chinese literature speaks in depth of physiological practise. It has great accuracy in explanation.
yet. I have not seen a practical method expounded upon.

The xing.wind.spirit of breath. This I have complete understanding of.
But how to properly work with Ming. To reverse the apana/flow of the kidneys. That is the secret untold.

Avatar
11-05-2012, 04:08 AM
Yogic philosophy and Chinese alchemy are the same.
the Tao is to samadhi.
and kundalini is to reversing the flow of Ming by using xing.
IE reversing the kidney/bladder channel using breath.

Now I know the kidney thing sounds fancy. Its not. The only way to know the flow is reversing. Is it becomes slightly hard to urinate with gained bladder control. Lust dissapeares. And in extreme the genitals become cold to the touch.

Ejaculation causes this condition to vanish. Thus "kundalini" is a condition that can be streangthend.

Anyway. Do enough research you shall see.
To simply state. Kundalini is reversal of apana.current.
it is the urinary apana that is reversed. Simply as that. Hence the dangerous creation of vajroli mustang.
obviously someone understood what needed to be done. But didn't know how to do it. Lol.

Ezalor
11-26-2012, 07:46 AM
Stumbled upon this accidentally, and thought some of you might find this interesting:


Let us take as an example Chinese ginseng, also known as Ren Shen,

When one is preparing to make a tincture with a chinese herb it very
helpfull to review existing litterature on that particular herb such
as phytochemicals in this particular plant. You can find this in
Bensky, In the case of renshen one fids references in chinese
medicinal wine and liquor books that mention using spirits or white
alcohol (50 to 70 % alcohol) in proportions varying from 1:3 to 1:10.

So in practice, this would mean putting 50 grams of renshen in 150 ml
of 65 % alcohol and leave it in a warm place for about 3 weeks to 3
months. This way you will get about 70 % of the good stuff from the
plant.

Or, of course, one could use a process of percolation.

So what about the rest ?

If you do not have a lab, here is how they would proceed in China.
Decant your tincture off the mark. Take the mark, add 150 ml of fresh
menstrum and go outside your home find a heat source and
simmer/decoct
until the the volume is reduced by half. Let it cool, add 75 ml of
60%
alcohol, stir and decant. Taste the mark; if there a strong taste,
repeat the procedure exept that after the second simmering, use the
luid you decanted at the end of the first. Just our you previously
prepared tincture or fluid extract to the decanted decoction, mix
well
and voila ! there is your tincture.


If you have a lab, take your mark, wrap it in cheesecloth and put it in a flask with a wide neck. Add a sufficient amount of 50% alcohol menstruum and the appropriate condenser. circulate in balneum for 1 to 2 hours.
Take the contents of the flask after a couple of hours. Add a helmet and evaporate in
balneum at 60 C. The alcohol and water will evaporate, leaving
ginseng
phytochemicals. Just our you previously prepared
tincture or fluid extract on the ginseng phytochemicals and
glycerine,
mix well and voila ! there is your tincture.Source: http://digimob.forumotion.net/t552-practical-laboratory-alchemy-spagyrics-and-applied-daoist-alchemy-medical-qigong#1576

Addendum: I just ready more into that thread. The author of the text I quoted shares many little bits of other interesting info in general, and says he knew Manfred Junius personally. Sounds interesting.

Krisztian
11-26-2012, 09:29 PM
I'm not well-versed in Chinese Alchemy at all. There's sure to be some learning from any descriptive texts however. I read into the source you provided, Ezalor. Looks promising! Thanks.

Let me know if you attempt following it?

Krisztian
11-26-2012, 11:34 PM
I did a bit of research on the above mentioned term. The writer of the source you posted Ezalor keeps mentioning it.

Ezalor
12-04-2012, 12:20 AM
At the moment, such experimentation is far out for me. I shall first realize my immediate tasks before I consider further journeys, spending time on what is out of reach yet would be a waste.

Peter Barnes
11-26-2015, 02:16 PM
I wouldn't do that with Ginseng, Red Ginseng or Korean Ginseng and many Chinese herbs should be taken at a certain dosage and concentrating them could be harmful, with Ginseng some in China report nose bleeding and I myself felt great after taking Red Ginseng in tea but afterwards had a rash in my hands and the Chinese doc told me to stop taking the ginseng, he said that American ginseng is milder but the red is too powerful, the Ginseng you find online and in various businesses (shops, online) are not the real thing, in China they sell cheap Ginseng BUT the real thing from the mountains will set you back 3,000RMB or much more for a smallish root, that's maybe 300 dollars or so.


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