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theFool
02-25-2011, 05:47 PM
There is a website (http://www.goldmineworld.net/mainmenu.html) selling a product (T-6) that can leach precious metals from minerals (in solution). In one of its documents, there is a claim that it can even recover the ormes contained in minerals.

This T-6 solution seems to be based on some kind of carbon microparticles and is being sold on this website.

http://www.goldmineworld.net/t6leaching.html
www.goldmineworld.net/files/GoldInWaterFree.pdf (Here is the pdf document about T-6 and ormes)

Has anyone tried out this T-6 solution? I am not in the US and it seems I will have problems ordering it, the site seems to be under disorganisation/unaccessible.

Dendritic Xylem
02-26-2011, 10:14 AM
I posted a thread about this at Aleilius' forum. T6 is a Sodium Polythiocarbonate along with another inorganic ingredient which stays separated on the bottom and has a teal color when light shines through it.

Sodium Polythiocarbonates are mostly used in wastewater treatment and remediation of toxic spills. They form an extremely stable organic sulfur compound with dissolved metals. Once pH is neutralized the solution is perfectly safe to dispose of in the environment. Which is awesome.

The price of T6 is a little too high. You can synthesize sodium polythiocarbonate easily if you have or can make carbon disulfide. Although you wouldn't have the inorganic ingredient present in T6.

theFool
02-27-2011, 07:39 AM
Thank you for the detailed answer.
About making carbon disulfide, I found this thread: at sciencemaddness.org (http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?action=printable&fid=2&tid=1066)
It seems difficult to be made, Thats why T-6 is expensive, but it gives very high yields as I have read.

Dendritic Xylem
02-27-2011, 10:22 AM
Yeah, I really want to make the apparatus for C2S. Quartz tubes aren't very expensive on ebay.

If anyone tries to do this, be very careful of hydrogen sulfide production. Make sure your carbon material is completely dehydrated to minimize this.

I haven't done the math, but it may be worth it to just purchase the C2S, if you can get it. Or just purchase T6 if you want to avoid the hassle. If someone finds another retail source for sodium polythiocarbonate, please let us know!

In regards to yield, I've only weighed precipitated metal compounds, not smelted metal. My precipitate yields were much less than what they were claiming to get. Even so, I still advocate the testing of this relatively new chemical. If anyone does decide to experiment with it, at least buy a quart. That little sample amount they sell isn't enough to do anything with.

theFool
02-27-2011, 01:24 PM
Yeah, I really want to make the apparatus for C2S. Quartz tubes aren't very expensive on ebay.

If the method of precipitating with sodium polythiocarbonate has great advantages over other methods, then carbon disulfide production can be justified. But of course a check should be made first. I couldn't find online source for sodium polythiocarbonate yet, except this T-6 website.

Dendritic Xylem
02-27-2011, 08:24 PM
This place sells 515 pound drums for $450. Of course that doesn't include shipping. They call it "PTB-6".
http://store.ecologixsystems.com/detail/index.cfm?nPID=226

Here's another wholesale source that calls it "TR-6"
http://www.waterspecialists.biz/html/precipitants.html

Here's the patent that explains synthesis of sodium polythiocarbonate
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Yc0cAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA2&dq=4943377&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

theFool
10-12-2012, 10:50 AM
There is one more chemical, containing sulfur, that may have a potential to capture ormes. Sodium thiosulfate is already used by industry for gold extraction and it can be found/synthesized fairly easy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_thiosulfate).

I remember reading somewhere on gold refining forums that people were using it on their well water..

theFool
10-30-2012, 11:50 AM
If anyone still follows the thread, you will find interesting this link http://www.priestessalchemy.com/html/metallic.html.
It is a recent report from a reputed ormus vendor. In brief, he follows 3 steps (strong HCl in ormus precip., sodium borohydride for reduction of possible metal chlorides and then TR-6 PolySulfide ). He claims that the metals are aggregated as polysulfides.

Krisztian
10-30-2012, 04:10 PM
If anyone still follows the thread, you will find interesting this link http://www.priestessalchemy.com/html/metallic.html.
It is a recent report from a reputed ormus vendor. In brief, he follows 3 steps (strong HCl in ormus precip., sodium borohydride for reduction of possible metal chlorides and then TR-6 PolySulfide ). He claims that the metals are aggregated as polysulfides.

Thanks for this post theFool; I've been very tempted to explore "sun drying", in my neck-of-the-woods it would take much planning however.