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Aleilius
05-22-2011, 11:34 PM
Take a look at this:

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/hand_alchemist_vampire_ripleyscroll.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/alchemist_vampire_eye_pigmentation.jpg

What the hell? That eye doesn't look right, and don't get me started about the pale/opaque hand with blue veins. :eek:

Rueb
05-23-2011, 12:17 AM
you are talking about blood, vampires ... ???

Aleilius
05-23-2011, 12:51 AM
you are talking about blood, vampires ... ???

Not in the sense that we know them from legend.

True Initiate
05-24-2011, 09:59 AM
Where did you find this picture?

Salazius
05-24-2011, 01:06 PM
Scrool of Ripley right ?
Always interesting too look into the details, sometime it can really be amazing !

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 03:54 PM
Where did you find this picture?

It's from the Ripley Scroll. Do you want to see the prima materia?

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/prima_materia1.jpg

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 03:54 PM
Scrool of Ripley right ?
Always interesting too look into the details, sometime it can really be amazing !

Amazing, or absolutely terrifying.

True Initiate
05-24-2011, 04:09 PM
It's from the Ripley Scroll. Do you want to see the prima materia?

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/prima_materia1.jpg

Yes!

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 04:58 PM
Yes!

Here's a better image:

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/prima_materia2.jpg

Green Lion
05-24-2011, 05:04 PM
Aleilius

If you believe that the prima materia of the alchemists was the human body (or one of its parts, like blood), you have an overflowing imagination …

True Initiate
05-24-2011, 05:09 PM
Aleilius

If you believe that the prima materia of the alchemists was the human body (or one of its parts, like blood), you have an overflowing imagination …

Were there no Internal Path of Alchemy as well?

Green Lion
05-24-2011, 05:21 PM
Were there no Internal Path of Alchemy as well?

Personally, I think that the concept of internal alchemy is a diverted way which arises from the loss of understanding of the real sense of the alchemy.
We can observe how the Chinese alchemy became the Taoism. The Taoism appeared from the moment the alchemists did not know how to have a practice any more in the laboratory. It was the first emperor of China who made forbid the alchemy because of the more and more important number of deaths.
Also for the western "internal" currents of alchemy. When we read texts on the subject (as those of the Great Osirian Order), we notice that the members of these groups understood nothing in the alchemy and made in the end that to use the alchemical symbols to illustrate their personal practices.
From my point of view, the "internal" alchemies are also valid as the interpretation of Jung: interesting, but it is not alchemy.

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 05:30 PM
Aleilius

If you believe that the prima materia of the alchemists was the human body (or one of its parts, like blood), you have an overflowing imagination …

I have no time to play with you Green Lion.

http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg

Green Lion
05-24-2011, 05:41 PM
I have no time to play with you Green Lion.

Of Course. And I not have this time either.

What I notice (and there is really here no personal attack, and no negative criticism, just a report), is that the interpretations you gain from your study of alchemical texts tend to take you away from the subject rather that to move you closer to it.

It is up to you to continue to study texts by the solar cabal which leads to nothing (it is a trap rather than other thing) as well as to read engravings without a grain of salt.

I just wanted to save time to you exactly, seen that you miss it …

But also allow the readers of this forum to keep of the recession with regard to your interpretations and what it did not make them waste time in either.

But each is free, and fortunately.

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 05:45 PM
But also allow the readers of this forum to keep of the recession with regard to your interpretations and what it did not make them waste time in either.

Oh, how generous of you!

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 05:55 PM
Personally, I think ...

You said it right there. You're trying to attack your own shadow.

rogerc
05-24-2011, 10:31 PM
It's from the Ripley Scroll. Do you want to see the prima materia?

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/prima_materia1.jpg

Well...look beyond the white woman and the gold man which are not people but only symbolic of the subjects of the work and see the real prima materia in this picture, which in it and of itself is still only symbolic....which is represented here as the same saturian gilted oak appearing in the book of abraham the jew as well as the Splendor solis and numerous other places from whose roots flow a clear water, and notice the gold man is bathing in this saturian water...this is just as reiteration of :http://www.rexresearch.com/abrelzar/pl5.gif


..some have hoed and dug and found nothing except for an exceptional few who have here and there have contemplated the weight...some have struck the rock and got water and still others have just spoken to it and water flowed abundantly.....

Aleilius
05-24-2011, 10:33 PM
some have struck the rock and got water and still others have just spoken to it and water flowed abundantly.....

This rock is the same from which all the waters of the "world" (le monde) flow.


The Foundation Stone (Hebrew: אבן השתייה, translit. Even haShetiya) or Rock (Arabic: translit. Sakhrah, Hebrew: translit.: Sela) is the name of the rock at the heart of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. It is also known as the Pierced Stone because it has a small hole on the southeastern corner that enters a cavern beneath the rock, known as the Well of Souls. It is believed by some to have been the location of the Holy of Holies in the Temple, and is the holiest site in Judaism. (Midrash Tanhuma, chapter 10) Jewish tradition views it as the spiritual junction of heaven and Earth.


Upon it lying the stone from which the foundation was hewn…Who gives ear from which the waters flow (i.e. the foundation stone "from which flow all the waters of the world").

Aleilius
05-25-2011, 05:35 AM
"The fearful Dragon... that watched the garden called Hesperides."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Garden2315.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/1280931/500full.jpg

Where be our Jason? Who art thou Robin?

vega33
05-25-2011, 07:01 PM
..some have hoed and dug and found nothing except for an exceptional few who have here and there have contemplated the weight...some have struck the rock and got water and still others have just spoken to it and water flowed abundantly.....

And some such as Stephen Reiss have used it as their industry ;)

Where do you suppose all that water /steam gushing out of springs and thermal vents around the world really comes from?

An interesting article (http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole)

To the surprise of the researchers, they did not find the expected transition from granite to basalt at 3-6 kilometers beneath the surface. Data had long shown that seismic waves travel significantly faster below that depth, and geologists had believed that this was due to a “basement” of basalt. Instead, the difference was discovered to be a change in the rock brought on by intense heat and pressure, or metamorphic rock. Even more surprisingly, this deep rock was found to be saturated in water which filled the cracks. Because free water should not be found at those depths, scientists theorize that the water is comprised of hydrogen and oxygen atoms which were squeezed out of the surrounding rocks due to the incredible pressure. The water was then prevented from rising to the surface because of the layer of impermeable rocks above it.

True Initiate
05-25-2011, 08:32 PM
...some have struck the rock and got water and still others have just spoken to it and water flowed abundantly.....

This quote is not coming from the book of Abraham the Jew! You are just bending and extending the meaning of the symbol to fit your own interpretation!

rogerc
05-26-2011, 01:12 AM
This quote is not coming from the book of Abraham the Jew! You are just bending and extending the meaning of the symbol to fit your own interpretation!

Ah....really? Please go back and read the thread I was commenting on the image Alieius presented as being a reiteration of the gilted oak image from Abraham the Jew,... I never said anything about the quotes...however the first part: "some have hoed and dug and found nothing except for an exceptional few who have here and there have contemplated the weight" is from the inscription right above the image...as for the second part that you seem to take issue with : "some have struck the rock and got water and still others have just spoken to it and water flowed abundantly"..... well this is my own interpretation but to grasp it would require a deeper understanding of alchemy, which is just what Abraham the Jew is trying to convey with the whole image in the first place and that is this...that in while most are toiling away hoeing and digging and finding nothing another select few have found a source of clear water without any labor what so ever and only by contemplation and I am conveying this same principle as well with my quote, which if you read my postings on the Philosophers Matter thread you would see where I reference the bible where God tells Moses to stop striking the rock to get water and instead to speak to it, this is a very profound lesson and should serve to turn our intentions away from the materialistic view on alchemy and the subjects of the work and more towards the qualities and philosophies,... it is only then that we see alchemy has nothing to do with chemistry, physics or anything that can be grasped by the mind, it can only be interpreted by the heart, that is why the perpertuation of a stance towards alchemy that closes the heart and opens the mind is neccesarily bad, we must not forget the fruits of the labor that we struggle to grasp are protected by the sphinx of paradox and with the mind we will always fail to solve the riddle, but this is the mechanism that was put in place by the almighty to guard the secrets of the art.

rogerc
05-26-2011, 01:29 AM
And some such as Stephen Reiss have used it as their industry ;)

Where do you suppose all that water /steam gushing out of springs and thermal vents around the world really comes from?

An interesting article (http://www.damninteresting.com/the-deepest-hole)

Hi, Vega

The water that I reference is not h2o it is the dry water that wets not the hands, the same water that without, nothing in this art can be done.

The problem with Ripley is he looked upon the oaken image and saw saturn, well he was right but in his materialistic impression he came away with lead instead of philosophical lead and worked to get a dry water which he called philosophic mercury from the dry distillation of lead acetate, he thought he knew how to philosophise a vulgar matter but alas the veiled words of the adepts were lost on him ....and now maybe one could argue that he hoed and dugged till he found a water but it was not a source of clear water it was already specified and murky and in some instances useless ...what he was practicing was spagery and not alchemy and therefore cannot be held in the same light.

So to summerize my last two postings it may serve the would be laboratory practicant well to drop the hoes and shovels and stop digging for a moment and solely focus on a very profound contemplation with the heart, then when you return to the laboratory you will see why the adepts always said that the focus of the art was cheap and they had no need for so many sophistical operations and expensive glassware and so much laboratory faire: here as two quotes which place emphasis on the same exact principle that the oaken image conveys
If Hermes, the father of philosophers, was resurrected today, along with subtle Geber, and the profound Raymond Lully, our vulgar chemists would not regard them as Philosophers, and would practically not condescend to number them among their disciples, because the latter would not know the manner of all these distillations, circulations, calcinations and all these innumerable operations which our vulgar chemists invented for having misunderstood the allegorical writings of these Philosophers

The Glory of the World [An Account of the True Art] 1620
I make known to all ingenuous students of this Art that the Sages are in the habit of using words which may convey either a true or a false impression; the former to their own disciples and children, the latter to the ignorant, the foolish, and the unworthy. Bear in mind that the philosophers themselves never make a false assertion. The mistake (if any) lies not with them, but with those whose dullness makes them slow to apprehend the meaning. Hence it comes that, instead of the waters of the Sages, these inexperienced persons take pyrites salts, metals, and divers other substances which, though very expensive, are of no use whatever for our purpose. For no one would dream of buying the true Matter at the apothecary's; nay, that tradesman daily casts it into the street as worthless refutes. Yet the matter of our Stone is found in all those things which are used by ignorant charlatans: for it is our Stone, our Salt, our Mercury, our verdigris, halonitre, salmiac, Mars, sulphur, etc. It is not dug out with pick-axes from ordinary mountains, seeing that our Stone is found in our mountains and springs; our Salt is found in our salt-spring, our metal in our earth, and from the same place we dig up our mercury and sulphur. But what we mean by our mines and springs these charlatans cannot understand. For God has blinded their minds and made gross their senses, and left them to carry on their experiments with all manner of false substances. Nor do they seem able to perceive their error, or to be roused from their idle imaginations by persistent failure. Where they should have distilled with gentle heat they sublime over a fierce fire, and reduce their substance to ashes, instead of developing its inherent principles by vitalizing warmth. Again, when they should have dissolved, they coagulated instead, and so on. By these false methods they could, of course, obtain no good result; but instead of blaming their own ignorance they lay the fault on their teacher, and even deny the genuineness of our Art. As a matter of fact, all their mistakes arise from their misinterpreting the meaning of words which should have put them on the right scent. For instance, when the Sages speak of calcining, these persons understand that word to mean "burning," and consequently render their substance useless by burning it to ashes. When the Sages "dissolve," or transmute into "water," these shallow persons corrode with aqua fortis. They do not understand that the dissolution must be effected with something that is contained within our substance, and not by means of any foreign appliance. These foolish devices bear the same relation to our Art that a dark hole bears to a transparent crystal. It is their own ignorance that prevents them from attaining to a true knowledge; but they put the blame on our writings, and call us charlatans and impostors. They argue that if the Stone could be found at all, they must have discovered it long ago, their eyes being as keen and their minds as acute as they are. "Behold," say they, "how we have toiled day and night, how many books we have read, how many years we have spent in our laboratories: surely if there were anything in this Art, it could not have escaped us." By speaking thus, they only exhibit their own presumption and folly. They themselves have no eyes, and they make that an argument for blaspheming our high and holy Art. Therefore, you should first strive to make yourself acquainted with the secrets of Nature's working, and with the elementary principles of the world, before you set your hand to this task. After acquiring this knowledge, carefully peruse this book from beginning to end; you will then be in a position to judge whether our Art is true or false. You will also know what substance you must take, how you must prepare it, and how your eager search may be brought to a successful issue. Let me enjoin you, therefore, to preserve strict silence, to let nobody know what you are doing, and to keep a good heart: then God will grant you the fulfillment of all your wishes.

True Initiate
05-26-2011, 06:16 AM
... it is only then that we see alchemy has nothing to do with chemistry, physics or anything that can be grasped by the mind, it can only be interpreted by the heart, that is why the perpertuation of a stance towards alchemy that closes the heart and opens the mind is neccesarily bad, we must not forget the fruits of the labor that we struggle to grasp are protected by the sphinx of paradox and with the mind we will always fail to solve the riddle, but this is the mechanism that was put in place by the almighty to guard the secrets of the art.

I know the story about Moses striking the rock and the Jewish people drinking the water! If you think this story has something to do with the Alkahest that will dissolve Gold just try to imagine what the Alkahest will do to the human flesh, not to mention actually drinking it.
As i said this Bible quotation has nothing to do with the image of Abraham the Jew.

What the other method is concerned that you are describing about using spells to transform the matter this belongs properly to Theurgy and not to Alchemy.

Green Lion
05-26-2011, 06:54 AM
Hi True Puffer

We should not confuse fixed Spiritus Mundi and Alkaest.

When Spiritus Mundi is got and fixed without any other contact that the glass (the purest material set apart the Philosopher's stone as said so exactly Fulcanelli), it is pure. It takes then the shape of a water. This water is very particular because " it does not wet hands ". It does not mean that it is under solid or crystalline shape. It wants in fact to say that it does not remain "stuck" on the skin as can make it the classic water. It has a fat texture and stays under the shape of drops on the skin. It is enough to move the hand so that drops fall without leaving any track on the skin. We can moreover observe that if we try to mix this liquid Spiritus Mundi with some classic water, both do not mix. We do not see different phases, but when we make the both flow, the water classic grave, but Spiritus Mundi stays under the shape of drops on glass walls. Furthermore, it does not affect the skin as an acid or a base. On the other hand, it penetrates radically into metals, transforms them. This Spiritus Mundi does not act as an acid or a base. It is not a classic dissolution. In fact, Spiritus Mundi transforms the metal into its own nature, without violence.

The alkaest, as for it, must not be touched or ingested. Simply because Alkaest is the result obtained by the contact between the magnet of the wise and Spiritus Mundi. In these conditions, Spiritus Mundi is not more "pure" because it contacted a particular material which can get it and contain it. The alkaest acts then as an acid or a base (according to the material used as magnet), but also as pure Spiritus Mundi. The alkaest opens the metal and breathes it the life. It makes a reincrudation.

We could say that the alkaest is a menstrum into which Spiritus Mundi was locked.

The difficulty, when we read the texts of alchemy, is to make well the distinction between what concerns the spontaneous appearance of pure Spiritus Mundi and the appearance of the alkaest (or common mercury) outside the magnet of the wise put in touch with Spiritus Mundi.
In the first case, the obtained water is absorbable. In the second case, it is dangerous for the health (it is a real poison).

I want also to underline the fact that the alchemical laws, the theurgical laws and the astrological laws are the same, simply they are applied to different levels. The alchemy on the physical plan, the astrology on the astral plan and the magic on the mental plan. It is for it that certain alchemical concepts (in the theory in any case) look like strongly in the magic or theurgical concepts. They are only the same laws applied to different plans.

True Initiate
05-26-2011, 08:05 AM
And have you tasted it (by drinking)?

I have only one question:

Did you learn this technique by yourself or did you learn it in some secret society?

Green Lion
05-26-2011, 08:18 AM
I ingested some drops (you should not dream, we collect Spiritus Mundi under pure and fixed shape just in any small quantities). We feel a very important energy contribution. A sensation of electric shocks in all the body. And a perception of more vast consciousness. It allows to be in the Natural State of Mind, for those who know.

I discovered this technique by myself, during a particular meditation (non-dual path). But certain secret societies (the AMORC, the GD, the Aurum Solis, the OTO, the FARC, the Freemasonry etc. have no this knowledge) also have to possess this technique if they really are true Hermetic secret societies. Simply, it was never written and is passed on that in the oral because it implies an important spiritual turnover.

True Initiate
05-26-2011, 08:44 AM
I ingested some drops (you should not dream, we collect Spiritus Mundi under pure and fixed shape just in any small quantities). We feel a very important energy contribution. A sensation of electric shocks in all the body. And a perception of more vast consciousness. It allows to be in the Natural State of Mind, for those who know.

Thanks for the clarification.It's nice to hear that this secret is still not lost...



I discovered this technique by myself, during a particular meditation (non-dual path). But certain secret societies (the AMORC, the GD, the Aurum Solis, the OTO, the FARC, the Freemasonry etc. have no this knowledge) also have to possess this technique if they really are true Hermetic secret societies. Simply, it was never written and is passed on that in the oral because it implies an important spiritual turnover.

Well i can confirm that you are 100% correct on this! Nothing there!
It's a sad situation that the Hermetic Art has already lost all credibility and with this organizations in action it becomes almost confirmed for many people.

Andro
05-26-2011, 11:15 AM
We can moreover observe that if we try to mix this liquid Spiritus Mundi with some classic water, both do not mix.
We do not see different phases, but when we make the both flow, the water classic grave, but Spiritus Mundi stays under the shape of drops on glass walls.

Hey GL,

Have you tried to very gently evaporate a mix of your fixed Spiritus and 'classic' water?

If so - does your fixed (fat-textured) Spirit remain behind in the evaporating vessel?

Green Lion
05-26-2011, 11:41 AM
Hey Androgynus.

As the classic water is not capable of keeping Spiritus Mundi, when we distil the mixture both (classic water and Spiritus Mundi), or even if we let evaporate, Spiritus Mundi disappears. It returns to its source.

Andro
05-26-2011, 11:46 AM
As the classic water is not capable of keeping Spiritus Mundi, when we distill the mixture both (classic water and Spiritus Mundi), or even if we let evaporate, Spiritus Mundi disappears.
It returns to its source.

Thank you for sharing this :)

Quoth Trithemius (about Spiritus Mundi):


It is not the Philosopher's Stone, but this may be prepared from it by fixing the volatile.
✂-----------------------------------

Rueb
05-26-2011, 03:43 PM
When St. Germain describes his Aqua Benedicta, the same attributes are noted, eg. the extreme volatility.

Aleilius
05-27-2011, 12:50 AM
Please note the following images:

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/symbol_body1.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/symbol_body2.jpg

Green Lion
05-27-2011, 04:17 AM
Aleilius,

The link between organs and Planets aims at giving keys for the use of remedies in hermetic medicine. It allows to know what typifies of plant or metal can be useful for the sick person, with the doctrine of signatures and the astrology.
It is not because Saturn is connected to the brain that the alchemists, when they speak about " our Lead " or " parts of Saturn ", it concerns the brain …
Once more, you get lost in your way of analyzing engravings.

vega33
05-27-2011, 08:51 AM
The water that I reference is not h2o it is the dry water that wets not the hands, the same water that without, nothing in this art can be done.

The problem with Ripley is he looked upon the oaken image and saw saturn, well he was right but in his materialistic impression he came away with lead instead of philosophical lead and worked to get a dry water which he called philosophic mercury from the dry distillation of lead acetate, he thought he knew how to philosophise a vulgar matter but alas the veiled words of the adepts were lost on him ....and now maybe one could argue that he hoed and dugged till he found a water but it was not a source of clear water it was already specified and murky and in some instances useless ...what he was practicing was spagery and not alchemy and therefore cannot be held in the same light.


Hi rogerc,

I believe it is folly to discard the substance known as water fully given its ubiquity. Plants cannot live without it, humans and animals cannot live without it, it is found even in space in the formation of stars, even on the sun. It can come as steam/vapour, as dissolved in the belly of wind, as dissolved in the soil, etc etc.

Hali says "This Stone Rises in Greening, Growing things". Siebmacher went so far as to call his treatise "The Water-Stone of the Wise". Orgone is attracted to water sources. Water can polarize light.

Don't discard the simple ways of nature for the subtle mental games of man. I'm not saying that the spiritus mundi doesn't play a role, but if you are going to produce something tangible and physical there must be a vessel in which this spiritus is incubated. To make subtle the gross matter of the metals, as the philosophers recommend we must do, it must first be dissolved. If science finds water underground at these depths, it must be there for a reason right?

rogerc
05-27-2011, 11:04 AM
Hi rogerc,

I believe it is folly to discard the substance known as water fully given its ubiquity. Plants cannot live without it, humans and animals cannot live without it, it is found even in space in the formation of stars, even on the sun. It can come as steam/vapour, as dissolved in the belly of wind, as dissolved in the soil, etc etc.

Hali says "This Stone Rises in Greening, Growing things". Siebmacher went so far as to call his treatise "The Water-Stone of the Wise". Orgone is attracted to water sources. Water can polarize light.

Don't discard the simple ways of nature for the subtle mental games of man. I'm not saying that the spiritus mundi doesn't play a role, but if you are going to produce something tangible and physical there must be a vessel in which this spiritus is incubated. To make subtle the gross matter of the metals, as the philosophers recommend we must do, it must first be dissolved. If science finds water underground at these depths, it must be there for a reason right?

Vega of course everyone is free to believe as he sees fit, Green Lion has written enough to make it clear that it is not normal water and enough is written about our water that our first initial impression should be that it is not a normal water, and that philosophically it is closer to archetypal fire than it is vulgar water because the classics always say the sophists burn with fire and we with our water, science cannot explain the manifestation of pure spiritus mundi having the appearance of a fat water from nowhere and please understand as well that a human mind cannot also understand its manifestation with the tools we use to interpret and experience the physical world around us, thus it is natural for the mind to search for something you call tangible to base it on but here lies the greatest folly in our art, the mind is the wrong tool for probing the secrets of alchemy, .....the spiritus mundi fixes to itself and does not need a support, from nowhere it has become a tangible water, the question of its tangibility in your mind, is what keeps one trapped in the materialistic view and puts the focus on the wrong place, it is the moment we fall into the blinds and traps laid by the adepts, but it is nothing a profound contemplation on nature cannot overcome. So Spiritus Mundi, the more you take it in its universal and unspecified state the more simple and cheap is your process...the classics also speak in enough places that it is the only neccesary subject of the stone, that is the real idea behind the text waterstone of the wise that you mention.

rogerc
05-27-2011, 11:21 AM
Please note the following images:

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/symbol_body1.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/symbol_body2.jpg

If we want to find saturn symbolico incognito,... there is a more appropriate exhibit hidden on another oak.... this one from Cabala Mineralis that Salazius pointed out on his blog:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TMwp2tgYB1I/AAAAAAAAGkg/y2yk0zIBq_M/detail%20du%20chene%20de%20la%20cabala%20mineralis .jpg

Aleilius
05-27-2011, 06:12 PM
Aleilius,

The link between organs and Planets aims at giving keys for the use of remedies in hermetic medicine. It allows to know what typifies of plant or metal can be useful for the sick person, with the doctrine of signatures and the astrology.
It is not because Saturn is connected to the brain that the alchemists, when they speak about " our Lead " or " parts of Saturn ", it concerns the brain …
Once more, you get lost in your way of analyzing engravings.

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/zombie5.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/zombie4.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/zombie3.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/zombie2.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/zombies.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/fuuuuu.png

ARRRGGHHHH... :D:D:D:D:D

solomon levi
05-27-2011, 06:31 PM
Greetings Green Lion.

You said, "When Spiritus Mundi is got and fixed without any other contact that the glass (the purest material set apart the Philosopher's stone as said so exactly Fulcanelli), it is pure."

May I ask, is it truly because glass is "pure", or is glass "pure" in relation to our water?
That is, is glass homogenous to spiritus mundi in some way, specifically because it is a silicate?
For we could make glass with all kinds of "impurities" - lead glass, iron glass, antimony glass, etc.
Would this still be "pure" simply because it has a glassy surface?

Thanks. :)

Salazius
05-27-2011, 07:05 PM
Anyway, thank you Green Lion for these explanations and details. They are very interesting.

Green Lion
05-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Grettings Solomon Levi

Sorry, but I will not answer your question.

I have said enough concerning the subject of Spiritus Mundi. In each now to pray, work, study and practice to discover it more.

Especially, do not neglect the prayer, because it can save your life.

solomon levi
05-27-2011, 08:01 PM
No problem GL. :)
Thanks for all you have said already.

I think it goes without saying that "pure" must be relative to something.
We can have pure gold and that would not be an appropriate flask for alchemical work.
Personally, I think it better said that glass is homogenous to SM rather than "glass is pure".

Salazius
05-28-2011, 08:07 AM
Especially, do not neglect the prayer, because it can save your life.

And I stress this. Without spirituality, or capacity to rely on something Divine, and Higher in Essence, such works have a devastating effect on the unprepared alchemist. Exactly like Hg would act on the nervous system of a foolish chemist. When one does not have the whole pattern and principles of actions, one should avoid dabbling, it's not a game, it's not a hobby, it is a serious, very very serious quest and engagement, always done at your own risks. It can lead to depression, paranoia, megalomania, suicidal and/or murderous tendencies, to addictions of all kind, a lack of touch with the normal world. You can have such shocks, mentally, emotionnaly, physically that it can lead you to serious illness. I'm not joking, one of my close friends tried to commit suicide four days ago, two days of coma, he is still alive. Fortunately, he is not gifted for suicide. Everything is enhanced in you with Alchemy, all the unresolved problems, the latent material in your psyche is activated and brought to the surface.

It is already the case with High Spagerics. It is even more deep and strong with the Spiritus Mundi involved. This is why the warning of GL must be heard and transmitted.

It is a necessity to know our own limits, and not exceed them, being enough wise and humble to 'festina lente' in order to push them slowly and gradually.
I remember a stunt man saying to a younger one "never exceed your limits, the day you do, you're dead". Same thing here.

Precipitatio a diablo, and festina lente.

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teofrast40
05-28-2011, 02:13 PM
hallo everybody,
Salazius, it is rightful to remember that alchemy is a serious thing and not an hobby for the eccentric.
that said, from a correct (absolute) perspective, in the end, there is nothing to fear, in alchemy as in life and death.
fear is the foremost danger and obstacle in the path, and the only thing to fear is fear itself (roosevelt said).
I think the point GL (hi and thanks) was stressing, with all the classics by his side, is that the understanding of the principle that lies behind the manifestation of Spiritus Mundi, the first Gate of Alchemy never written about but only hinted at by symbols, can be acquired only by a seriuos, hard and long work on yourself. and that there is no hope to get hold of it with intellectual-analitical means, as it happens to be outside the reach of "vulgar" mental categories .
so the best yelding effort in this field would be to invest in practice(s) that train yourself to the emptyness of your ego and non-dual consciousness, instead than making hypotesis from a chemical-physical or etymological or whatever-the-disclipline standpoint (not adressing this to anyone in particular).
that is, study the texts, be humble (that IMHO is another important point that deserve deeper reflection: Valois said that patience is a ladder - that makes us elevate- but humility is the door to the garden - a place of pleasures) and pray.

with humility
t

True Initiate
05-28-2011, 05:05 PM
Well it seems that all your warnings have backfired!

Aleilius site The City of Pyramids is gone and also the Vitriolum.net!
I am still not sure why but i think it is related with this thread.

Does somebody has his E-mail?

Andro
05-28-2011, 07:28 PM
Well it seems that all your warnings have backfired!

By definition, 'backfire' is fire that turns back on it's source/origin(ator).
So it's not exactly clear (to me) what you mean by 'backfire' in this case.
We all make our own beds. So what 'backfired' on whom?

The warnings were/are very much in place IMO. Not necessarily because 'fear of death' or similar things.
They were simply 'in place', as parts of this 'Game Puzzle', especially when it comes to these matters we are dealing with here.
But one can only recognize this necessity after getting a glimpse into the mind-blowing Paradox of Creation. And please don't fool yourselves, because it takes one to know one.

And, regardless, it's all part of The Game, and we all play our roles, always from our perpetual//here-now/eternal Point of Choicelessness.
What happened - happened, because it always happened, and even if everything would have been seemingly different - it would have happened anyway.

Illen A. Cluf
05-28-2011, 08:07 PM
And, regardless, it's all part of The Game, and we all play our roles, always from our perpetual//here-now/eternal Point of Choicelessness.
What happened - happened, because it always happened, and even if everything would have been seemingly different - it would have happened anyway.

The rules within a Game are different than the rules as played out by Nature. Games are COMPLETELY Man-made, and are subject to all the numerous weaknesses of Man, including the greatest weaknesses of all - EGO and COMPETITION.

In Games, we don't work together. The object of a Game is only to prove oneself "better" than another. In Nature, all elements work together in a complex pattern that is mutually beneficial to the survival of Gnosis.

Alchemy has become an incredibly competitive GAME, when all along it should have been a means to promote the mutually beneficial advancement of Consciousness.

Thus - what has happened has only happened because the setting was a GAME. Had it not been thus, we would have expressed empathy and concern over the Brotherhood of Man, and the results would have been totally different, in accord with the natural rules of Brotherly Love.

We are all much more connected than you realize. When we feed on our EGO, lack empathy and hurt others, in the end we only hurt ourselves.

And in the end, the love we take will be equal to the love we make (Beatles)

Salazius
05-28-2011, 08:57 PM
There is nothing out of Nature's Game.
And Ego is an important part of it, alike Caput in the Magnum Opus.

Andro
05-28-2011, 09:00 PM
The rules within a Game are different than the rules as played out by Nature.

I am not talking about A Game. I am talking about THE Game.


Games are COMPLETELY Man-made

See above ^.


In Games, we don't work together.

Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.


The object of a Game is only to prove oneself "better" than another.

Maybe of some games. But not as an all-encompassing absolute definition.


In Nature, all elements work together in a complex pattern that is mutually beneficial to the survival of Gnosis.

Are you alluding that 'Gnosis' is mortal?


Alchemy has become an incredibly competitive GAME

I believe (you) that this is the case from your perspective. It is not so from mine. I am in no competition and, more important, in no hurry.


it should have been a means to promote the mutually beneficial advancement of Consciousness.

About the 'advancement of consciousness'... Reading the fine print may prove beneficial... See above mentioned warnings. All in its fitting time.


the natural rules of Brotherly Love.

Brotherly Love is not a default setting. And I am not talking about random acts of kindness and compassion towards fellow man.
Just like Trust and Respect, 'Brotherly Love' must be earned and based on compatibility. If one thinks otherwise, one is naive.


We are all much more connected than you realize.

I realize it extremely well. But we are connected at The Center. How many people do you know who can consciously access The Center?
Trying to connect from the 'outskirts' is not really a connection. It's an alliance, at best.


When we feed on our EGO, lack empathy and hurt others, in the end we only hurt ourselves.

Empathy and 'hurting' others are NOT necessarily default opposites. Study ancient rites of initiation. And some are not-so-ancient, actually.
There is plenty of hurting there, and plenty of empathy as well. But they are rarely perceived at the same time.

As for 'ego'... well, this is one of the toughest nuts to crack. Not all that one may perceive as 'ego' is what one believes it to be...


And in the end, the love we take will be equal to the love we make (Beatles)

Note 'In the End'. I agree, everything balances itself out at a certain level, with a certain appearance of 'finality'....

Or maybe the 'Allies' in WW2 should have sent 'love' to the Nazis. I bet that would have done the trick...

Illen A. Cluf
05-28-2011, 10:13 PM
I am not talking about A Game. I am talking about THE Game.


And I maintain that there is little difference between A Game and The game. A Game is a Game is a Game.


Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.


Yes, according to Man-made rules. I'm fully familiar with Alchemical "cliques". It is part of the rules of any Game. In some games, you work with a partner(s) as a strategy to win.


Maybe of some games. But not as an all-encompassing absolute definition.

here is a definition of"Game" from the Webster's New World Dicionary:

"Any specific amusement or sport involving competition ." "That which is gained by winning; victory; win".


Are you alluding that 'Gnosis' is mortal?

It can be mortal or immortal, depending on your point of view.


I believe (you) that this is the case from your perspective. It is not so from mine. I am in no competition and, more important, in no hurry.

I'm glad to hear that.


About the 'advancement of consciousness'... Reading the fine print may prove beneficial... See above mentioned warnings. All in its fitting time.

It's easy to say but harder to do.


Brotherly Love is not a default setting. And I am not talking about random acts of kindness and compassion towards fellow man. Just like Trust and Respect, 'Brotherly Love' must be earned and based on compatibility. If one thinks otherwise, one is naive.

I agree. But I see nothing that precludes Aleilius. Just because he may disagree with my or your perspective, should not eliminate him from respect. Perhaps there's a history I'm not aware of.


I realize it extremely well. But we are connected at The Center. How many people do you know who can consciously access The Center?
Trying to connect from the 'outskirts' is not really a connection. It's an alliance, at best

I know far too many who THINK or PRETEND that they consciously access the Centre. It does not at all mean that they actually do. Actions, responses (or lack of) and deeds are far more reflective than words.


Empathy and 'hurting' others are NOT necessarily default opposites. Study ancient rites of initiation. And some are not-so-ancient, actually.
There is plenty of hurting there, and plenty of empathy as well. But they are rarely perceived at the same time.

I never said that they were always opposite. Sometimes it's necessary to temporary hurt someone n the short term in order to help them in the long term. But the hurting is part of the overall empathy. As an example, of which I have seen much of on this and other forums, simple acts like responding to those who address you, shows empathy. Rudely ignoring all responses except those that serve one's self-esteem is often a clear demonstration of lack of empathy. Simple acts like these are in rapid decline.


As for 'ego'... well, this is one of the toughest nuts to crack. Not all that one may perceive as 'ego' is what one believes it to be...

I agree. There are volumes written about it. Almost any concept could fill volumes. But we are always limited in these types of exchanges.


Note 'In the End'. I agree, everything balances itself out at a certain level, with a certain appearance of 'finality'....

It was the Beatle's quote and I'm sure it could have been much better stated. For example, I would not have used the word take along with the word love. But John Lennon, or whoever wrote it, was subject to the rules of music and lyrics, and had to use words that rhymed.


Or maybe the 'Allies' in WW2 should have sent 'love' to the Nazis. I bet that would have done the trick...

I think you miss the point. The allies did what they did for the love of Humanity and not for the love of the Nazi philosophy, which was all about Hate and Ego.

I.A.C.

Andro
05-28-2011, 11:25 PM
Illen,

I'll just say a few things in response:

* THE Game is all-encompassing. There are many sub-games with different sets of rules. Games within games, like dreams within dreams. I was speaking about THE Game.

* I wouldn't pick Webster's dictionary definition of 'Game' as my reference...
You talk about 'cliques' and 'winning'... For me it's more about Friendship and Knowing.
I am fortunate enough to have a VERY small number of Friends with mutual open sharing and learning.
Not only sharing Alchemy, but any aspects of our lives, with genuine affection and trust built over time.
No 'secret society' or 'order' or 'clique'. Just friends. It appears to be quite a rarity, from what I gather so far...
Call it a different kind of 'Game', if you wish...

* Regarding 'Center to Center': It takes one to know one. As simple as that.

* I do my best to respond to things addressed to me, but it is IMO not always constructive or desirable to do so as an absolute rule.

* I don't wish to talk about Aleilius, but I will only say that it's not agreement or difference that builds respect. Other, more significant factors are involved here.

* About the Allies/Humanity and Nazis/Hate-Ego duality you mentioned: History is in most cases written by the victors.
It's the victors who create the aftermath public spin and propagate it. Things are not black and white in history, as the ruling mainstream corporate media would like us to believe.

Illen A. Cluf
05-29-2011, 12:24 AM
Hi Androgynous,



* THE Game is all-encompassing. There are many sub-games with different sets of rules. Games within games, like dreams within dreams. I was speaking about THE Game.

What do define as THE Game?


You talk about 'cliques' and 'winning'... For me it's more about Friendship and Knowing.
I am fortunate enough to have a VERY small number of Friends with mutual open sharing and learning.
Not only sharing Alchemy, but any aspects of our lives, with genuine affection and trust built over time.
No 'secret society' or 'order' or 'clique'. Just friends. It appears to be quite a rarity, from what I gather so far...
Call it a different kind of 'Game', if you wish...

I'm in a very similar situation. I have a very FEW friends who I trust and share with. I also do not believe in any organization whatsoever, so do not belong to any Society, Fraternity, Religious Organization, Alchemical Organization, etc. I don't think it's rare. I believe most members here are in a similar situation. But I make my friends based on how they conduct themselves on these forums. If they are open and honest and charitable and are true seekers of Truth and Knowledge, I become interested. If I feel they are playing word and mind games, or misrepresenting the truth, I have little sympathy for them. Unfortunately, the latter represent the majority. There are very few who are truly trying to help.


* I don't wish to talk about Aleilius, but I will only say that it's not agreement or difference that builds respect. Other, more significant factors are involved here.

OK. You have your reasons. I don't have the history.


* About the Allies/Humanity and Nazis/Hate-Ego duality you mentioned: History is in most cases written by the victors.
It's the victors who create the aftermath public spin and propagate it. Things are not black and white in history, as the ruling mainstream corporate media would like us to believe.

Also there are those non victors who deliberately try to distort the truth afterwards, like the disgusting liars who deny that there ever was a Holocaust. Not only am I old enough to have known the basic truth of what really happened, I was born in one of the occupied countries shortly after the War. My parents lived through the nightmares, gave refuge in their home to Jewish citizens at enormous risk to themselves, and were a witness to what really happened. My mother saw a young boy who was deaf shot in the back on her street by the Germans because he could not hear the Germans shouting at him. Many others told the Germans beforehand that he was deaf. Many years later I saw his grave in the same graveyard where my grandfather was buried. He was but a child.

Andro
05-29-2011, 01:28 AM
What do define as THE Game?

The one which, as opposed to other games, has no EXIT sign.
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As for the rest of your comments:

Personally, I think some of your perspectives are slightly biased, either by perception filters from past experiences, or by what you may regard as 'True' or 'Charitable' (for example).
Those last two, especially, can be double-edged swords. But this is ONLY my personal opinion. We cannot be objective as long as we are specified to our identity or self-aware 'existence'.
To be truly objective, IMO, we would have to be liberated from the limitations of Identity and its accompanying biases... Just like UN-Determined Spiritus Mundi - The Universal Harlot :)

However, I feel you have found a way of looking at things that works for you, so I will be the last to argue with that. Therefore, I see no point in drifting further away with this topic of conversation.

Thank you, and best of everything in your endeavors!

Hellin Hermetist
05-29-2011, 11:20 PM
Simply, it was never written and is passed on that in the oral because it implies an important spiritual turnover.


What do you mean by that? There was never published a detailed description of the whole procedure or we can't find even the main principles in which the procedure is based in any of the known treatises?
From what you have written in that and other topics, I believe that you follow a procedure similar to that which is described at "Le Recration Hermetique" or even at the "Cinq Livres" of Le Valois and the "New Light" of Alexander Sethon (aka Le Cosmopolite). These authors say that firstly we have to see a virgin earth under the form of a white salt, which dissolves the air to a water which doesn't wet the hands. "For the saltpetre of the earth is like calcined tartar, and by its dryness, attracts air to itself --- which air it dissolves into water" says Cosmopolite.
Is the path you have followed similar with that which is described at the aforesaid treatises or a different one?

Hellin Hermetist
05-29-2011, 11:50 PM
Hi True Puffer
We should not confuse fixed Spiritus Mundi and Alkaest.


I am not sure about that, but I believe that the name Alkahest was given by Paracelsus to a certain solvent, which was able to reduce every organic or inorganic matter to its materia prima, which means into water. I don't know if the authentic recipe for the preparation of the liquor alcahest has been saved. I have read some treatises which are attributed to Paracelsus. Some of them, like the one named Paramirum, seems to be authentic hermetical writings. Unfortunately, I can not say the same for most of the treatises which are found at the Hermetical and Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus by A.E. Waite. It seems that many treatises of that time was misnomered under his name.

My opinion about the nature of the alcahest is based exclusively in what is said by Philalethes at his treatise named Ripley Revived. Ι reprint a related extract of the aforesaid treatise here. I think that many shall find the infos interesting.

But some will say, How will you answer the Philosophers, who affirm that their Stone is in all things, though in some things nearer, and in some things at greater distance, yet in all things according to the rule of (propinquius & remotius?). To such I answer, I grant and know that all things originally owe all their principal material unto Water, and their formal unto Light; and according to the congress of these two principles, through the command of the Architect, this Light doth illuminate the material Water in a singular way, according to the Ideal species which were before in the Archetype; so then the Matter resides in Water, the Informing in Light, and the determination of the Form, which is as I may say the Form’s formality, is in the will of the Creator, first impressed or sealed in the word (fiat,) and ratified in his command (producat unumduodque juxta speciem suam.) Now to apply this to our present purpose, in Water and Light all things agree, in the determination of Illumination they differ, This determinative sentence of the Almighty, sealed a great variety in the products of Matter and Form, which are in themselves general, and being thus sealed, not any thing can pass from its kind to mix with another kind, but it will cause a product partaking of either Parent, nor can mixture be made but in the same genus or species; as an Apple may be graffed on a Crab-tree, a Man may (though abominably) mix with a Beast (licentia naturali) but out of genus or species nothing can mix. There are also many particular exceptions of things in one genus, for many Trees I know which the Art of man cannot ingraff one in another, so as to grow, will yet grow well ingraffed elsewhere; so a Dog and a Mouse cannot mix, being one so disproportionate to another. But this by the by.

To return to our intention, we say, that as all things are by the will and power of God specificated, so with the destruction of that species, the Form (as to that individual) perishing, (for no intire species can perish) things may both by Nature and Art return to their first stable principle material, which is Water, of which Nature, if it be found in a convenient place, might (impregnating it with a Metalline Seed) produce a Metalline Sperm, or viscosity, which then might be a Metal by decoction, and yield unto our work a profitable subject.

So then if thou canst (as by the Liquor Alcahest thou mayst) reduce a Body (be it what it will, whether Eggs, or Hair, or Urine, or a Spirit ardent, or any mean Mineral which is not of a Metalline imposition) to Water, and after knowest how to impregnate that Water with a specificated, seminal, influential Light, so that that Water may penetrate its dimensions at the least 16 times, and become a Mineral, Mercurial Juice; thou mayst then expect as much profit from that Mercury, as from the best Mercury that is sold in the Apothecaries shops, and no more; for thou mayst so purifie it, and separate its faeces and crudities, as that it may become fit to joyn with thy perfect Bodies: but I doubt this way will be so hard, (try it when thou wilt, I fear the first will puzzle thee all thy life long, to turn all Bodies into Water, and the next would puzzle all the Devils in Hell, to bring this Water to a Metallick seminal viscosity) that thou hadst better leave musing on these Impossibilities, and take my counsel, that is, seek it there where Nature hath put it.

Any more infos about that point are quite welcome.

True Initiate
05-30-2011, 01:01 AM
What do you mean by that? There was never published a detailed description of the whole procedure or we can't find even the main principles in which the procedure is based in any of the known treatises?
From what you have written in that and other topics, I believe that you follow a procedure similar to that which is described at "Le Recration Hermetique" or even at the "Cinq Livres" of Le Valois and the "New Light" of Alexander Sethon (aka Le Cosmopolite). These authors say that firstly we have to see a virgin earth under the form of a white salt, which dissolves the air to a water which doesn't wet the hands. "For the saltpetre of the earth is like calcined tartar, and by its dryness, attracts air to itself --- which air it dissolves into water" says Cosmopolite.
Is the path you have followed similar with that which is described at the aforesaid treatises or a different one?

Oh blessed Helen thank you for your post! I've grown tired arguing with these French guys...

You are right about the Alkahest and similar terms like Spagyrics or Archemy...

They were all invented by Paracelsus because he wanted to renew the Alchemy of his day and he failed badly but his terms stayed and introduced even more confusion into the Art.Then Fulcanelli "The Great" has come forward to explain to the world the difference between the Alchemy, Archemy and Spagyrics in his famous books which everybody accepts as the New Gospel.
Not noticing however that the Old Masters themselves didn't know how to distinguish between them!

The fact that the term Spagyrics was meant only to replace the term Alchemy (because it was associated only with the making of Gold at that time) was not widely recognised and now we have an army of Fulcanellis who are not interested in anything else anymore but attaching labels to what is True Alchemy and what is not in their opinion!

Thanks again for your post, very appreciated!

rogerc
05-30-2011, 01:45 AM
Oh blessed Helen thank you for your post! I've grown tired arguing with these French guys...

You are right about the Alkahest and similar terms like Spagyrics or Archemy...

They were all invented by Paracelsus because he wanted to renew the Alchemy of his day and he failed badly but his terms stayed and introduced even more confusion into the Art.Then Fulcanelli "The Great" has come forward to explain to the world the difference between the Alchemy, Archemy and Spagyrics in his famous books which everybody accepts as the New Gospel.
Not noticing however that the Old Masters themselves too did know how to distinguish between them!

The fact that the term Spagyrics was meant only to replace the term Alchemy (because it was associated only with the making of Gold at that time) was not widely recognised and now we have an army of Fulcanellis who are not interested in anything else anymore except attaching labels to what is True Alchemy and what is not in their opinion!

Thanks again for your post, very appreciated!

Hi Puffer we do not need Fulcanelli or Paracelsus to tell us the difference between alchemy and spagyrics, the simple use of logic and a discerning mind is sufficient, in the use of spagyrics we must have first fallen into the traps and blinds of the adepts and been fooled into believeing there is a "prima matera" we must search and find before we can begin our work,.... usually some expensive metal or exotic ore, next we must make use of multiple sophistical operations and multiple labwares to break that substance down to the point that we aquire three matters that we force into the iconographies of salt , mercury and sulfur ,...once again we fool ourselves and force what we find to fit what we believe the philosophers meant by these terms, which is all in error and counter to what the great masters in all the classics all chant with the same voice, then we re-combine those matters to get a stone, but all in reality this is the exact opposite of alchemy,.... in true alchemy which in we begin and remain philosophically we attain one matter which can be found no where and I mean nowhere on the surface of the earth or below it, this substance must be aquired through art with the aid of philosophy and with this one matter and one vessel we attain three substances which we label our mercury, our sulfur and our salt but in reality they are all three, the same substance at varing degrees of evolution and coction and all the operations that the philsophers spoke of that we misunderstood are all accomplished by the power inherent in this one matter without anything foreign added and without any imposition of the hand...which echoes not only Fulcanelli but all those who came before him which he supported himself on and so we do as well. So on the point that you say the old masters did not know how to discern the difference,... this statement is quite laughable.. I could name a thousand places.

And by the way I am an American not French, but we have them to thank for many things...

True Initiate
05-30-2011, 02:01 AM
.... in true alchemy which in we begin and remain philosophically we attain one matter which can be found no where and I mean nowhere on the surface of the earth or below it, this substance must be aquired through art with the aid of philosophy and with this one matter and one vessel we attain three substances which we label our mercury, our sulfur and our salt but in reality they are all three, the same substance at varing degrees of evolution and coction...

Can you explain me then, how this substance which is nothing other than a coagulation of the Spiritus Mundi (as you say), can sustain all living beings and engender all the creatures of the subterranean kingdom and at the same time it can not to be found no where on the surface of the earth or below it?

I am not sure who's ideas are laughable here...

Hellin Hermetist
05-30-2011, 02:17 AM
Another one for you True Puffer from the aforesaid treatise of Philalethes:

Though Paracelsus glory much of his Renovantia & Restaurantia, (which we have known, as being master of his secret Alcahest, of which, if I live, I will write a particular Treatise) yet it is not his Haematina, nor yet his Arcana, nor his Elixiria, nor his Essentiae, nor any of his secrets, which are surely noble Medicines, that can reach the root of Life, which this can and will;

And another one more interesting:

Others, measuring all sublunary things by the rules of Symmetry and Ametry, do ascribe this Operation (which they for similitude sake compare to a Duel) to the over-prevailing of one principles qualities above the qualities of the other, and therefore they define Auriety to be the Anaticalness of the four Elements in mixture, each in his quality acting proportionable to the resistance of its contrary, & vice versa. But this is but an Entanglement, in which the Chymist stumble upon School Academical Principles: I had rather embrace their Secret, as for Operation; but for Philosophy, jump with that noble Bruxellian, whose promised Treatises when the World shall enjoy, I suppose they will be the profoundest piece of Philosophy that ever was revealed to the World: which I admire not so much for his Experiments, of none of which I am ignorant, nor Paracelsus to boot, many, yea most of which are far harder (though sooner wrought) than the Elixir, and the Alcahest is a hundred times more difficult; but what I most honour in that noble Naturalist is, that he did search out the Occulta Naturae, more accurately then ever any did I the World.

Here he says that the preparation of the Alcahest is one time more difficult from the preparation of the Stone. He also speaks about a certain Bruxellian who was the greatest occult philosopher of his age. Does anyone has any idea who can be that man?

True Initiate
05-30-2011, 02:25 AM
Thank you for the quotations Helen.

As far as i know the Alkahest of Philalethes was prepared out of Uric salts, mainly phosphates but i don't like to work with Urine at all.

I have a High-Grade Rosicrucian manuscript were the preparation of their Alkahest is revealed openly, it is the famous Acetum Acerrimum mentioned in the last chapter of the Golden Chain. The text is in German so i need to translate it first probably next weekend.

I will PM you when it's finished, if you are interested.

rogerc
05-30-2011, 02:40 AM
Can you explain me then, how this substance which is nothing other than a coagulation of the Spiritus Mundi (as you say), can sustain all living beings and engender all the creatures of the subterranean kingdom and at the same time it can not to be found no where on the surface of the earth or below it?

I am not sure who's ideas are laughable here...

The philosophers also speak in enough places concerning how all kingdoms are created and sustained, so I think no one needs me to repeat them here, of course this is a matter of philosophy it should be clear enough that they were speaking of archetypes and principles which are neccessary if anyone sets out to actually employ them in the art, however if you need me to tell you how all creatures are physically created and sustained maybe you should take some basic courses in biology and science would suffice for the plant and animal realms and maybe some physics and chemistry classes would tell you enough about the actual composition of metals and the paragenesis of minerals to explain the mineral realm. However, philosophy is always confused by the beginers of this art as a matter of fact, in all actuality they were speaking of how everything is spiritually sustained of course, so when they say that the spiritus mundi is become specified to each realm this is what they mean which if we study philosophy this should be clear enough,.. can you separate and unspecify the spiritus mundi from corpreal matter....no I think not,... even though if spagery is trying to accomplish anything it would be this. If anything when the right conditions are employed and met which the philosophers also spoke volumes about,.. the spiritus mundi can be attracted and utilized, but once it touches those magnets it as well becomes specified, and through an alkahest as Green Lion speaks of, which if it is to be effective at all, it must have attracted an abundance of spiritus mundi, a stone may be got, however that maybe, it will still act as the sages suggested,.. free of the properties of the magnet used to attract it, it will still act as pure spiritus mundi even though it has been confunded with an acid or base "alkahest". In other words as Androgynus says often on this forum don't confuse and kill the messenger with the message. And as often happens in failure, a solving might occur but the "agent solvent maybe devoid of virtue". The virtue in question of course is the presence of the spiritus mundi.

The point is in order to have any action as the philsophers stone it must be a source of energy, and what on earth has this source of energy? Of course,... nothing does. The thing about energy is it reaches a state of equilibrium and has no action on anything, look at a battery or any power source you will see the same concept present, everything on the surface of the earth or beneath it has reached a state of equilibrium otherwise it would be quite volatile would it not? Tell me, can you hold electricity or heat or radiation in your hand as a pure susbstance? That is the point about pure spiritus mundi, it is quite volatile of course and all the sages agree that it remains so until it is fixed to its self, but it is not the same as any normal matter found on the face of the earth, it remains a source of energy beyond this world which should more than be gleaned from its abilites should it not?

Andro
05-30-2011, 02:45 AM
Can you explain me then, how this substance which is nothing other than a coagulation of the Spiritus Mundi (as you say), can sustain all living beings and engender all the creatures of the subterranean kingdom and at the same time it can not to be found nowhere on the surface of the earth or below it?

It can not be found on physical earth because it is not of physical/measurable material consistency in its natural habitat, as many texts very clearly explain.

BUT

It can be made to physically manifest by means of the Art of Alchemy, with a solid knowledge of Natural Philosophy.

Also, please be certain that I would NOT write this if I hadn't seen this manifestation with my own eyes.


this statement is quite laughable

I am not sure who's ideas are laughable here...

TP and rogerc - I wouldn't use the word 'laughable'. It's harsh and condescending. We all are where we are on our paths, and I am no advocate of value judgments.

But, TP, your last post indicates that you simply are not yet able to grasp certain underlying aspects of Reality/Creation. Therefore, you perspective appears to be limited to the exclusively materialistic view.

What is it that really sustains you? What is it that really animates you?

Do you believe it's exclusively confined to tangible and/or measurable things, such as food, water, air and chemical reactions in your body?

If I am wrong, and you DO understand that the 'substance' we are talking about is not available (undetermined) ANYWHERE in material form, but EVERYWHERE in immaterial form - then I apologize in advance.

I don't mean to criticize you, but I truly believe there is room for expansion (and also simplification) in the way you (and all of us, actually) view the world.
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PS: I just saw rogerc's post above, and it is far more complete and elaborate than what I just wrote here, although I believe we are both trying to convey similar points.
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True Initiate
05-30-2011, 02:52 AM
maybe you should take some basic courses in biology and science would suffice for the plant and animal realms and maybe some physics and chemistry classes would tell you enough about the actual composition of metals and the paragenesis of minerals to explain the mineral realm.

I didn't know that modern science now teaches the composition of metals and their origin. Interesting...
Can you send me some links where such courses are held? I would love to see that!



However, philosophy is always confused by the beginers of this art as a matter of fact, in all actuality they were speaking of how everything is spiritually sustained of course, so when they say that the spiritus mundi is become specified to each realm this is what they mean which if we study philosophy this should be clear enough,.. can you separate and unspecify the spiritus mundi from corpreal matter....no I think not,...

Between thinking and knowing there is a world of difference and i leave it there....

True Initiate
05-30-2011, 03:20 AM
But, TP, your last post indicates that you simply are not yet able to grasp certain underlying aspects of Reality/Creation. Therefore, you perspective appears to be limited to the exclusively materialistic view.

What is it that really sustains you? What is it that really animates you?

Do you believe it's exclusively confined to tangible and/or measurable things, such as food, water, air and chemical reactions in your body?

If I am wrong, and you DO understand that the 'substance' we are talking about is not available (undetermined) ANYWHERE in material form, but EVERYWHERE in immaterial form - then I apologize in advance.

I don't mean to criticize you, but I truly believe there is room for expansion (and also simplification) in the way you (and all of us, actually) view the world.


I have seen that you are often quoting from the Tablet of Hermes in your posts but it seems that you have overlooked this verse:
So the World was created

The wholle wide World is a coagulation of the Spiritus Mundi and this means every Rock, Mineral and speck of the dust in the Earth and they all can be retrograded into it's beginnings if you know the right origin how this substance came into being and in which way. There is no need to go so far back to the Prime matter of everything to be able to perform just a simple dissolution.

If you really follow what you are preaching you will end up empty handed because of your blindness in the middle of the Garden of Hesperides.

I will finish it with these words:
If you do not understand what is Earthen, how will you understand what is Heavenly?

Andro
05-30-2011, 03:46 AM
There is no need to go so far back to the Prime matter of everything to be able to perform just a simple dissolution.

True. Any particular alkahest can perform 'a simple dissolution' - if this is what you are after.

I am also not speaking against what you call 'retro-gradation'.

I was referring to the difficulty of grasping the concept of there being something 'immaterial' (not physically manifest on the earthly material plane),
that is the key to generation, animation, retro-gradation and re-generation of all things.


If you really follow what you are preaching you will end up empty handed because of your blindness in the middle of the Garden of Hesperides.

"You will end up like like this... You will end up like that..."
It seems everyone has become gifted with prophecy nowadays.


I will finish it with these words:
If you do not understand what is Earthen, how will you understand what is Heavenly?

True. One is not without the other. However, I don't know how you deduced that I am unfamiliar with the Earthen. I may not be versed in sophisticated laboratory operations, but I know the Currents of Life, their perpetual origins, their Earthen and Celestial Portals, their incarnational sequence, and their indispensable implication in the growth and animation of earthly things. It is enough for me.


If you really follow what you are preaching

OK...


Now I will stop preaching.
So be it for me too, for now. Although I don't see it as 'preaching'... But you are entitled to interpret it as such...

Best of luck on your path.
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Hellin Hermetist
05-30-2011, 12:28 PM
The point is in order to have any action as the philsophers stone it must be a source of energy, and what on earth has this source of energy? Of course,... nothing does. The thing about energy is it reaches a state of equilibrium and has no action on anything, look at a battery or any power source you will see the same concept present, everything on the surface of the earth or beneath it has reached a state of equilibrium otherwise it would be quite volatile would it not?

No. Radioactive ores aren't volatile substances and they undoubtedly are an energy source. I don't speak about alchemy here. I just answer your question.

Hellin Hermetist
05-30-2011, 05:51 PM
Thank you for the quotations Helen.

As far as i know the Alkahest of Philalethes was prepared out of Uric salts, mainly phosphates but i don't like to work with Urine at all.

I have a High-Grade Rosicrucian manuscript were the preparation of their Alkahest is revealed openly, it is the famous Acetum Acerrimum mentioned in the last chapter of the Golden Chain. The text is in German so i need to translate it first probably next weekend.

I will PM you when it's finished, if you are interested.

Yes, come in contact with me via pm when the task is accomplished.

PS: It's not Helen. It's Hellin. Meaning a citizen of Greece.

vega33
05-30-2011, 09:13 PM
Vega of course everyone is free to believe as he sees fit, Green Lion has written enough to make it clear that it is not normal water and enough is written about our water that our first initial impression should be that it is not a normal water, and that philosophically it is closer to archetypal fire than it is vulgar water because the classics always say the sophists burn with fire and we with our water, science cannot explain the manifestation of pure spiritus mundi having the appearance of a fat water from nowhere and please understand as well that a human mind cannot also understand its manifestation with the tools we use to interpret and experience the physical world around us, thus it is natural for the mind to search for something you call tangible to base it on but here lies the greatest folly in our art, the mind is the wrong tool for probing the secrets of alchemy, .....the spiritus mundi fixes to itself and does not need a support, from nowhere it has become a tangible water, the question of its tangibility in your mind, is what keeps one trapped in the materialistic view and puts the focus on the wrong place, it is the moment we fall into the blinds and traps laid by the adepts, but it is nothing a profound contemplation on nature cannot overcome. So Spiritus Mundi, the more you take it in its universal and unspecified state the more simple and cheap is your process...the classics also speak in enough places that it is the only neccesary subject of the stone, that is the real idea behind the text waterstone of the wise that you mention.

Hello Roger,

The others have responded enough to your other posts to say what I could say in response many times, especially True Puffer. I know you probably think your are horribly clever referring to Madame Blavatsky's description of ectoplasm there, but I will skip that for now and pick on this statement:


the mind is the wrong tool for probing the secrets of alchemy

If you're a fan of Hermes, then you'll know of the dialogue of Tat and Hermes where it is revealed that Deity put mind between humans as a prize or gift to claim, as in the dialogue of the Krater. It is common in alchemical texts to speak of "the gift of God" (Donum Dei), without which one cannot succeed. Well this "gift of God" is mind... or more properly, Nous. Nous is not, properly speaking, "intuitive mind" as some claim, but the whole vibrating conscious being itself, in direct communication or immersion in the whole, as is experienced during prayer and other activities that require supernatural attention (such as that which the ancient navigators/mariners required to pilot their ships).

Mind is not the wrong tool for probing into alchemy... it is the only tool proper that we have.


So Spiritus Mundi, the more you take it in its universal and unspecified state the more simple and cheap is your process...

This is also incorrect. It takes a lot of time and effort to fix this spiritus. We are doing it every day in our own bodies via a process that you should pay attention to, because it involves water. Our bodies are genuine mixing bowls, the lungs dissolve the oxygen and other gases into the watery blood, the blood carries within itself not just the blood cells but the material we have eaten which has dissolved in our stomachs, been cultivated into being just the right pH, and which then enters the bloodstream via capillary action in the villi. It is a process of mixing of differing densities of material, all with the spiritus holding them together via the geometric mean. The generation of blood, semen and other biological entities of importance within the body should reveal this to people... creating life is a process of careful mixing of exact proportions over time. Our breathing process injects more spiritus into the body, makes it temporarily less dense, we then fix it through the movement of our blood and other vital processes.

Similarly, the exact same process is going on beneath our feet, in the underground streams, volcanoes and caverns of the world, a little child is being born and is being nourished by feeding on his hermetic parents. The process is clearly visible at thermal and geological reserves, where huge pools of sulfuric water, antimony, iron, gold, and yes even vulgar mercury in some places, are mixing together, their exhalations visible at the surface of the earth, the liquid looking all the while just like the oil we so carelessly burn.

THIS, this physicality of tangible living processes, constitutes the teaching tools of alchemy, which by extension teach us the evolution of matter. Not some abstract "pure spiritus", but recognition of this artisan when he is jailed by Saturn in the middle of physical form, and he works for his jailer to produce all the treasures above and beneath ground.

To create a "Stone" that is the perfect marriage and harmony of the elements and which locks the Spiritus Mundi within in a form that can sustain human life is a process that takes a lot of skill and time, as well as needing to draw that Spiritus to you. It is not necessarily cheap because you need MATTER or energy to channel or manipulate the spiritus, the right resonant materia, these things cost money to create.

rogerc
05-30-2011, 11:38 PM
Hello Roger,

The others have responded enough to your other posts to say what I could say in response many times, especially True Puffer. I know you probably think your are horribly clever referring to Madame Blavatsky's description of ectoplasm there, .

Hello, I don't read Blavatsky's anything so I don't know what you are refering to here ,...my cleverness and thought are my own and I use the classics as my support not the ramblings of some new age writer with channeled information,... if she is the one I am thinking of, instead the classics I speak of I have read and re-read through the lens of many, many years of failure through approaching the subject as many here do, with a purely superficial and materilaistic view and a skin deep appreciation of philosophy and it has lead me to nothing but continual failure. Years I spent and toiled following the spagerical road in all sorts of pyrites, exotic minerals, radioactive, photo-luminescent ores and metallic decompositions and even dangerous and unstable allotropic conflagerations, many months did I store putrefied urine and separate its salts through repeated distillations... did I ever achieve a substance that could dissolve gold?....oh sure, there are literally hundreds of substances that can dissolve gold, some of them are very dangerous and I have spent months recouping from an explosion that left 1/3 of my body scared to prove it, but I never gave up even though I was continually poisoned by noxious and heavy metals fumes and my very life was held in jeopardy because I contiually listened to those who put me on the wrong path thinking eventually I would get it, thinking that it was my technique that was off or the time of year was bad or I was practicing in the wrong location and in every dissolution that I effected I always waited in vain for the signs the philosophers spoke of and on this point I am far from alone. So of course you will have to forgive when I say that there is nothing that anyone here can say that would even remotely cause me to change my mind about my philosophy that I currrently hold, it has brought me the only peace that I have known in 15 years of following dead end paths and many sleepless nights until some time I believe God took pity on me in my wretched state and granted me a revelation,... instead what I write, when I write it , is not for my benefit, not even for all who respond with all sorts of arguements which I know my writing will do little to alter the natural bent of those who would challenge these views, but instead for all those who unlike me would not waste the time I have in chasing rainbows that disappear and eventually give up heartbroken with some sort of physically deformation. The revelations that I received when I had wisdom enough to recognize that it was my own understanding that was limited I received solely by emptying my cup and through continual prayer day by day until I achieved a more and more firm footing on the right path and with the help of a real master who I was fortunate enough to come across when I was in the right mindset to listen,.... as for the rest of your hypothesis do indeed test them, it is my assertion that no action is a wasted one and everyone and everything has its purpose and time and pre-destined terminus.

solomon levi
06-01-2011, 06:24 PM
This thread moves faster than I access computers. I'd just like to
affirm the role of "prayer", Nature and "God" and how this path flirts with death;
depending on how you define it, you may say the word "flirt" is inaccurate because death
is perfectly a part of alchemy - forget flirting, you must die, period.

I can also see how mind is not the approapriate tool for alchemy, depending on one's definition again.
For many, mind is the thinker, and a mind can only think about the known, and it is not far-fetched
to call the PM the unknown, not earth, water, air or fire.
But some Hermeticists have declared that "All is Mind", so those are coming from another perspective
in which Mind would indeed be the only tool there is. Of course what most people think of as their mind
is a small fraction of what the Hermetica speaks of as Mind. Thus "prayer" is ideally a surrender, an
acknowledgement of something greater than the personal knowledge/mind. We must empty the small
mind to be filled by the Mind. Such is the theurgic reflection of Nature, again touching on death.

Nibiru
06-02-2011, 03:11 AM
Hello Solomon, you have a P.M.

It's seems like the dispute of the mind as a tool may just be a matter of semantics?...

Road
06-03-2011, 05:46 AM
Not in the sense that we know them from legend.

~You Are Correct; Perhaps Even More Than You Can Know.

Aleilius
06-03-2011, 06:31 AM
~You Are Correct; Perhaps Even More Than You Can Know.

Hi Road, yes I understand what you mean very well, and it disturbed me greatly when I finally understood the totality of the picture.

Andro
06-03-2011, 06:40 AM
There actually exists a very Dark practice of cracking open live human skulls and literally eating the master gland(s) from the brains.
It is said to lead to rejuvenation, but with quite devastating consequences for the perpetrator.

The 'Illuminatus Trilogy' tells of a means of achieving transcendence by exposing oneself to death (in a certain way) on a really massive scale.
(Absorbing energy from a large number of people dying at the same time).

Dark sorcerers also have means to steal life force from many people.
Sometimes from the shadows, other times posing as 'Love and Light' / 'Enlightened' gurus to their followers.

Whether true or not, these are extremely unbalanced practices, and are all related to 'horizontal' feeding, so to speak.

I'm not implying that this is what you had in mind, but I mentioned it just in case...

Aleilius
06-03-2011, 07:02 AM
There actually exists a very Dark practice of cracking open live human skulls and literally eating the master gland(s) from the brains.
It is said to lead to rejuvenation, but with quite devastating consequences for the perpetrator.

The 'Illuminatus Trilogy' tells of a means of achieving transcendence by exposing oneself to death (in a certain way) on a really massive scale.
(Absorbing energy from a large number of people dying at the same time).

Dark sorcerers also have means to steal life force from many people.
Sometimes from the shadows, other times posing as 'Love and Light' / 'Enlightened' gurus to their followers.

Whether true or not, these are extremely unbalanced practices, and are all related to 'horizontal' feeding, so to speak.

I'm not implying that this is what you had in mind, but I mentioned it just in case...

There is much more to it, but these things are not mentioned very often (if only in whispers at all [we are beyond the twilight zone in reality]).

rogerc
06-03-2011, 07:02 PM
Mind is not the wrong tool for probing into alchemy... it is the only tool proper that we have.




Hello Solomon, you have a P.M.

It's seems like the dispute of the mind as a tool may just be a matter of semantics?...


This thread moves faster than I access computers. I'd just like to
affirm the role of "prayer", Nature and "God" and how this path flirts with death;
depending on how you define it, you may say the word "flirt" is inaccurate because death
is perfectly a part of alchemy - forget flirting, you must die, period.

I can also see how mind is not the approapriate tool for alchemy, depending on one's definition again.
For many, mind is the thinker, and a mind can only think about the known, and it is not far-fetched
to call the PM the unknown, not earth, water, air or fire.
But some Hermeticists have declared that "All is Mind", so those are coming from another perspective
in which Mind would indeed be the only tool there is. Of course what most people think of as their mind
is a small fraction of what the Hermetica speaks of as Mind. Thus "prayer" is ideally a surrender, an
acknowledgement of something greater than the personal knowledge/mind. We must empty the small
mind to be filled by the Mind. Such is the theurgic reflection of Nature, again touching on death.

I'll let this passage make my point:

An ancient philosopher says: Our Stone is called the sacred rock, and is divided, or signified, in four ways. Firstly, into earth; secondly, into its accretion; thirdly, into fire; and fourthly, into the flame of fire. If any one knows the method of dissolving it, of extracting its salt, and of perfectly coagulating it, he is initiated in the mysteries of the Sages. Therefore if the salt turn white, and assume an oily appearance, then it tinges. There are three stages in our Art. Firstly, the transmutation of the whole thing into one salt; secondly, the rendering of three subtle bodies intangible; thirdly, the repetition of the whole solution of the whole thing. If you understand this, set your hand to the work. For the Matter is only one thing, and would remain one thing, though a hundred thousand books had been written about it, because this Art is so great a treasure that the whole world would not be a sufficient compensation for it. It is described in obscure terms, yet openly named by all, and known to all. But if all knew its secret, no one would work, and it would lose its value. On this account it would be impious to describe it in universally intelligible language. He to whom God will reveal it, may understand these dark expressions. But because most men do not understand them, they are inclined to regard our Art as impossible, and the Sages are branded as wicked men and swindlers. Learned doctors, who thus speak of us, have it before their eyes every day, but they do not understand it, because they never attend to it And then, forsooth, they deny the possibility of finding the Stone; nor will any one ever be able to convince them of the reality of our Art, so long as they blindly follow their own bent and inclination. In short, they are too wise to discern it, since it transcends the range of the human intellect, and must be humbly received at the hand of God~Gloria Mundi

There.."transcends the range of the human intellect" that is the purest and most accurate way to put it without semantics getting in the way, it is either received at the hand of God through prayer or through the lips of a master.

vega33
06-03-2011, 09:03 PM
... God took pity on me in my wretched state and granted me a revelation,... instead what I write, when I write it , is not for my benefit, not even for all who respond with all sorts of arguements which I know my writing will do little to alter the natural bent of those who would challenge these views, but instead for all those who unlike me would not waste the time I have in chasing rainbows that disappear and eventually give up heartbroken with some sort of physically deformation. The revelations that I received when I had wisdom enough to recognize that it was my own understanding that was limited I received solely by emptying my cup and through continual prayer day by day until I achieved a more and more firm footing on the right path and with the help of a real master who I was fortunate enough to come across when I was in the right mindset to listen,.... as for the rest of your hypothesis do indeed test them, it is my assertion that no action is a wasted one and everyone and everything has its purpose and time and pre-destined terminus.

Hello roger (and others),

Thats great. You write for a specific group of individuals (by your own admission "instead for all those who unlike me would not waste the time I have in chasing rainbows"), I also write for a specific group of individuals... namely, for those who are interested in the union of science and spirit which alchemy allows us to grasp. I also write in a specific genre... that of the Ayin, who offers the multiple alternative points of view, where if you write sentences that dis-count the practical aspect of alchemy, I present counter arguments to keep the discussion balanced, and vice versa. I typically assume people understand what I'm doing, although sometimes this is not the case.

The question of who or what constitutes a "real master" is an interesting one, and if you feel that you have gained wisdom through spiritual concourse with another human being (or other entity), by all means I tip my hat to you. However your long entry kind of reminded me (no offense intended) of the Phantom of the Opera, where he cries "You will curse the day you did not do...", ie you seem as though in becoming bitter at failures, you have cursed as anathema the physical elaboration of the Stone (for instance insisting that there is no way actual physical water could be a real important part of the elaboration of a physical Stone, for Our water "does not wet the hands").

Basically, I think it is important for people to more closely examine the everyday to gain insights that could be used in our Art. This is something that has been advocated by many, including Fulcanelli when he discusses examining the way the digestive process converts our food into nourishment for our body. This is a common practice that is taught to Rosicrucians almost from day 1. Paying closer attention to the intricacies of sensory input, or to some situation, making sure that complacency or over-familiarity does not sway us from discovering to our senses the truth of what is going on.

When this is done, you see the way spirit becomes clothed in matter: fire/vibration of the sun enclosed in the solar winds, the latter hitting the earth's atmosphere, the atmosphere receiving and shutting up in its belly the energy previously given by the sun and moon and stars, we breathe in the atmosphere, the gaseous phase is dissolved within the liquid phase of the body (oxygen etc dissolved in blood, water vapour in the lungs supplying the pressure that allows us to breathe in...), the liquid phase touches both the gaseous and the solid (eg blood cells and oxygen) and provides a medium; the blood bathes the physical earthy parts such as muscle, organs, etc.

It is finally seen that this philosophical ladder or Golden Chain has allowed for the animation of matter, and thus we can move about in these meat sacks thanks to the electrical/magnetic energy generated by this interpenetration of the four elements. And at the heart of this is the metals... living philosophical bodies which when dissolved in the blood (potassium, magnesium, iron, sodium, etc) become electrolytes and provide us with life due to their "charge" - a charge which exists only in potentia when the metal is fused together, but which most definitely exists in the liquid and gaseous phases, and can be manipulated.

This way of looking at things, and meditation on the ideas, gives one an understanding of some of the techniques of archemy... for instance, inquartation, when done properly. It also sheds light on the failures - specifically, the importance of the right sizes of material to act as resonators for the energy of life.

Andro
06-03-2011, 09:43 PM
Hey Vega,

I myself am also all for diversity. There can be various paths, some longer, some shorter, some more complex, some more simple.

Excessive dogma never did anyone any good. Whatever works - works!

The principles may well stem from the same Archetypal Origins, but, to quote 'Chemical Moonshine' - "The ways of Attraction are many".

I am also put off by the 'Phantom of the Opera' phenomenon, especially since I was recently served (by TP) with a dose of this syndrome - see below:


If you really follow what you are preaching you will end up empty handed because of your blindness in the middle of the Garden of Hesperides.
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And by the way, I myself absolutely do not dismiss the possible role of physical water.
As a matter of fact, among the applications I am currently testing (for the sake of enhancing my understanding), I am also running an experiment using common water. So there :)

I also find your way of looking at the EM energy in our meat sacks very interesting...

rogerc
06-03-2011, 11:40 PM
Hello roger (and others),

....where if you write sentences that dis-count the practical aspect of alchemy, I present counter arguments to keep the discussion balanced, and vice versa. I typically assume people understand what I'm doing, although sometimes this is not the case.



You misunderstand me sir, I am not discounting practical laboratory alchemy, only presenting the only valid point of view where the philosophers writings were and are continually misunderstood to this day, that there is a body of work that remains in the interogum beyond the scope of human understanding and that skin deep appreciation for philosophy and a skin deep application of it in the laboratory leads to nowhere and continually only to failure.



However your long entry kind of reminded me (no offense intended) of the Phantom of the Opera, where he cries "You will curse the day you did not do...", ie you seem as though in becoming bitter at failures, you have cursed as anathema the physical elaboration of the Stone (for instance insisting that there is no way actual physical water could be a real important part of the elaboration of a physical Stone, for Our water "does not wet the hands").


Once again your approximation of me is a gross misunderstanding, I have not cursed a physical elaboration of the stone I absolutely do not speak of internal alchemy, I speak of a solid, concrete, hold it in your hands, stone, your continual misunderstanding only lends itself to prove my point that you cannot comprehend without help, the writings of the philosophers and the practice of causing something intangible to become tangible without looking at the problem in a physical way or scientific way with the mind. Believe me when I say that I have been on your side of the arguement and in some circles I was considered a champion of your effort, but the point remains that I was not able to support myself upon the writings of the philosophers with those views and sadly neither can you.
I looked at the problem scientifically until one day that I saw with my own eyes a relatively simple and cheap operation that lead to real results that I began to alter my views, but it leaves each man to his own path, but the problem remains no man should lead another down a path that could potentially lead to poisoning or loss of limb or life. The crux of the issue is that no one will ever reveal to you the true way of working as the philosophers intended not on the internet least-wise so most of what is published is done only to sell books, or to garner a following by making people believe some writer is a great master, but they are all hoaxes, liars and swindlers, the only time a real adept will come out to write is done so only to prevent people from leading others to potentially blow themselves up or poison themselves, and just like their predessors they do not reveal enough to make a complete work if not only to encourage that there is an alternate path.

Andro
06-04-2011, 12:26 AM
the practice of causing something intangible to become tangible

I'm afraid there is no way around this (what rogerc wrote above). This is an archetypal key and an underlying principle to Alchemy and to the entire Hermetic vision and philosophy.

However, this is not to say that this key can not be acquired in a variety of ways, whether by revelation, meditation, gentle guidance and/or picking up hints from those who have walked the path before us, or even philosophical deduction/contemplation. Neither is it to say that it cannot be accomplished in practice by a diversity of means, as long as the archetypal principles are well integrated into one's personal nature.

I also think it would be a good idea to try to really listen to each other, and really hear what the other person is saying, instead of merely hearing our own projections.

Form can mask and hide content.

So, as listeners, I think we should learn to look beyond the form under which the content is presented. And as speakers, we should maybe learn to express ourselves as intelligibly as possible, refraining to the best of our ability from using repetitive slogans and preachy/sanctimonious/'Phantom of the Opera' type of tones and overtones. These things are not in the best interest of communication. We might just find out that we actually have much more in common than we imagine...

I hope I haven't been overly preachy with what I just wrote :)

These are challenging times, with many difficult mental/spiritual barriers to cross, for many of us. If possible, let's not make things more difficult than they already have to be...

Off my soap-box now :)

Hellin Hermetist
06-04-2011, 10:10 AM
The problem with Ripley is he looked upon the oaken image and saw saturn, well he was right but in his materialistic impression he came away with lead instead of philosophical lead and worked to get a dry water which he called philosophic mercury from the dry distillation of lead acetate, he thought he knew how to philosophise a vulgar matter but alas the veiled words of the adepts were lost on him ....and now maybe one could argue that he hoed and dugged till he found a water but it was not a source of clear water it was already specified and murky and in some instances useless ...what he was practicing was spagery and not alchemy and therefore cannot be held in the same light.



Oh, oh! Be careful with statements like the above. The path which Ripley followed was analyzed with the greatest detail at the most important treatise of Eirineaus Philalethes, the one named "Ripley Revived" and it sounds like genuine alchemy to me.

Of course anyone is free to decide which source is reliable for the study of alchemy. One may choose Ripley and Philalethes and the other Alphonse Constant (aka Eliphas Levi) and Albert Pike.

Road
06-04-2011, 10:28 AM
One may choose Ripley and Philalethes and the other Alphonse Constant (aka Eliphas Levi) and Albert Pike.
~Rather Choose Lully And Marion.

Salazius
06-04-2011, 11:06 AM
Who is Marion ?

Road
06-04-2011, 11:59 AM
Who is Marion ?

You Most Likely Know Her As Miriam Or Maria.

teofrast40
06-04-2011, 01:08 PM
hi,
to my humble knowing Ripley is a sincere pupil of Llulle, and his writings are about true alchemy.
obviously, this is only my personal opinion, made by studying the texts, as I have no filiation to be proud about, nor any truth to endorse.

with humility
t

Salazius
06-04-2011, 01:26 PM
Ah Yes, I thought it was Maria the Prophetess, but I wasn't sure ! thanks !

rogerc
06-04-2011, 07:38 PM
Oh, oh! Be careful with statements like the above. The path which Ripley followed was analyzed with the greatest detail at the most important treatise of Eirineaus Philalethes, the one named "Ripley Revived" and it sounds like genuine alchemy to me.

Of course anyone is free to decide which source is reliable for the study of alchemy. One may choose Ripley and Philalethes and the other Alphonse Constant (aka Eliphas Levi) and Albert Pike.

Not everyone shares your conclusions, it is clear that most people who study Ripley given his recipes use lead and vinegar and thus follow the lead acetate path, of course these works are classified as spagery, however in other texts where the authors are better informed it is clear that by vinegar of the mountains they meant not the vulgar, but the water that wets not the hands, of course not normal vinegar and of course by philosophical saturn or plumbum philosophical they meant a different prima matera, not lead or calcined lead. And about Eirineaus Philalethes it is quite clear that he was the fabricated master that the American chemist George Starkey pretended he was in contact with in order to keep extorting money from Sir Robert Boyle, Starkey being himself a chemist would not be a the right kind of individual to analyze the text of Ripley even if Ripley's language might employ the use of philosophical blinds to hide the real work, Starkey with his chemical background would have had the wrong natural bent or inclination in looking at things too materialistic and chemically base for unraveling the spirit behind the letter and Boyle himself and even Newton had the same handicap, they made thousands of tests and works upon lead and antimony thinking that these were what the philosophers meant by saturn philosophical.

Road
06-05-2011, 08:00 AM
hi,to my humble knowing Ripley is a sincere pupil of Llulle, and his writings are about true alchemy.


~Sincere Though He May Be, He (Ripley) Did Not Divulge All. It Therefore Behooves Us To Seek The Greater Light In Lully, 'For Precept Must Be Upon Precept, Line Upon Line; Here A Little, And There A Little'...
Without Deceit, There Is Wisdom In Lully Which Has Seldom Seen The Light Of Day, And By Far The Master Does Out-Shine The Pupil. If You Would Then Come To A Happy End, Learn How The Wise Tie The Bonds Of Love.


Not everyone shares your conclusions, it is clear that most people who study Ripley given his recipes use lead and vinegar and thus follow the lead acetate path, of course these works are classified as spagery, however in other texts where the authors are better informed it is clear that by vinegar of the mountains they meant not the vulgar, but the water that wets not the hands, of course not normal vinegar and of course by philosophical saturn or plumbum philosophical they meant a different prima matera, not lead or calcined lead.

Very True... But Do You Not Think You Speak Too Openly?

Andro
06-05-2011, 09:02 AM
Do You Not Think You Speak Too Openly?

Personally, I see no problem at all with speaking openly about the archetypal Principles underlying the Great Work.

Application of the Principles is a different matter, and should be up to the individual seekers and their readiness and ability to understand the language of archetypes.

This way, the knowledge is plainly revealed and also perfectly concealed, at the same time.

rogerc
06-05-2011, 09:21 AM
Very True... But Do You Not Think You Speak Too Openly?

Hi, Road

You will find that these forums and our art in general have a very high attrition rate, this is especially so in our instant gratification society and especially on here that.... while you can lead a horse to water you can't always make him drink!

Hellin Hermetist
06-05-2011, 11:20 AM
Not everyone shares your conclusions, it is clear that most people who study Ripley given his recipes use lead and vinegar and thus follow the lead acetate path, of course these works are classified as spagery, however in other texts where the authors are better informed it is clear that by vinegar of the mountains they meant not the vulgar, but the water that wets not the hands, of course not normal vinegar and of course by philosophical saturn or plumbum philosophical they meant a different prima matera, not lead or calcined lead. And about Eirineaus Philalethes it is quite clear that he was the fabricated master that the American chemist George Starkey pretended he was in contact with in order to keep extorting money from Sir Robert Boyle, Starkey being himself a chemist would not be a the right kind of individual to analyze the text of Ripley even if Ripley's language might employ the use of philosophical blinds to hide the real work, Starkey with his chemical background would have had the wrong natural bent or inclination in looking at things too materialistic and chemically base for unraveling the spirit behind the letter and Boyle himself and even Newton had the same handicap, they made thousands of tests and works upon lead and antimony thinking that these were what the philosophers meant by saturn philosophical.

It is quite clear that mercury of the wise, or their lead or their vinegar aren't the one of the vulgars. Nothing new here. No secrets revealed. You were the one who believed that Ripley was working with common lead and vinegar.
I also undrestand that you have studied the work of Newman about George Starkey.

rogerc
06-05-2011, 08:24 PM
It is quite clear that mercury of the wise, or their lead or their vinegar aren't the one of the vulgars. Nothing new here. No secrets revealed. You were the one who believed that Ripley was working with common lead and vinegar.
I also undrestand that you have studied the work of Newman about George Starkey.

It is great that you were so much the wiser,... but that does not diminish the point, some here practice the lead acetate path and spagery in general. PONS, The Philosophers of Nature in fact has a video and lecture series in the lead acetate path and presents many papers in the science of metallic decomposition, and they are not alone, several groups including some of those of which some members here are affiliated with such as heredom.org and its offshoots continue to perpetuate this "science", so it is clear that many misunderstood the philosophers both in the past and still today.

vega33
06-05-2011, 08:56 PM
You misunderstand me sir, I am not discounting practical laboratory alchemy, only presenting the only valid point of view where the philosophers writings were and are continually misunderstood to this day, that there is a body of work that remains in the interogum beyond the scope of human understanding and that skin deep appreciation for philosophy and a skin deep application of it in the laboratory leads to nowhere and continually only to failure.

You are presenting "the only valid point of view"? I believe, my friend, this is the most dogmatic statement I have heard in ages :D


... the point remains that I was not able to support myself upon the writings of the philosophers with those views and sadly neither can you.

Another statement of dogma. You are not me, you own not my soul, cannot see inside my mind and heart, how can you back up such a truculent statement with actual observation and fact?


The crux of the issue is that no one will ever reveal to you the true way of working as the philosophers intended not on the internet least-wise so most of what is published is done only to sell books, or to garner a following by making people believe some writer is a great master, but they are all hoaxes, liars and swindlers, the only time a real adept will come out to write is done so only to prevent people from leading others to potentially blow themselves up or poison themselves, and just like their predessors they do not reveal enough to make a complete work if not only to encourage that there is an alternate path.

It is a likely scenario that noone will reveal a "recipe" to the Stone on the internet... even on private forums. Here is a true fact. But the fact is that most of us are smart enough to recognize that there is no one singular recipe for taking this non-ordinary fire and condensing it into form, albeit there may be limited poossibilities of starting material/matrix available in producing a Stone of transmutation.

The statement "they are all hoaxes, liars and swindlers" is also quite dogmatic. You may wish to try on Robert Anton Wilson's "Sumbunall" (some but not all), and phrases such as "it appears to me". While I have seen many books written on alchemy in the modern day, and even several documentaries that are (it seems to me), sadly, a steaming pile of Jungian guano, or spagyric nonsense (but such earnest spagyric nonsense! with grains of truth in there), or even the classic "Ormus/ormes is the philosopher's stone", this is not to say that "all authors" are deliberately trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes. Even in some of those neo-Jungian documentaries such as the version of the Great Work described in John Anthony West's "Magical Egypt", or Luxor Media's "Solve et Coagula", there are aspects where you can find truth if you try to take the statements as relating to something tangible rather than the mental gymnastics they are trying to perform. Plus, the imagery all collected in the one place is stunning, if you just turn off the sound ;-).

You mention "real adepts coming out to write". To try to get an even clearer perspective, who do you classify as "real adepts"? What makes them differ from others? You have already discounted Ripley and several others as incorrect in their work, so apparently you, humble alchemist, must have met them and had them over for tea and discussed their ideas with them. I suppose you also have a TARDIS? :)

My preference is always for rational discourse and debate, rather than "you're wrong but I can't tell you why you're wrong". So rather than telling me you present "the only valid point of view" and that "I cannot support my own views with the writings of the philosophers" (when in fact my views came from them), how about something a little more substantial, so we can open up proper discussion?

vega33
06-05-2011, 09:42 PM
Hey Vega,

I myself am also all for diversity. There can be various paths, some longer, some shorter, some more complex, some more simple.

Excessive dogma never did anyone any good. Whatever works - works!

The principles may well stem from the same Archetypal Origins, but, to quote 'Chemical Moonshine' - "The ways of Attraction are many".

Thanks! This has also been my perspective (now I'm going to have to go back and read that text again!)


I am also put off by the 'Phantom of the Opera' phenomenon, especially since I was recently served (by TP) with a dose of this syndrome - see below:

I don't think anyone's really immune to it (even myself)... anyone who's serious about the Art is passionate in its pursuit, as TP pointed out recently in a different forum, and this is not necessarily a bad thing. Unfortunately it does make it hard to have a conversation sometimes, to get ahead you need to get used to using phrases like "it has been my experience" to replace the solely nominative/accusative case sentences. I'm sure this is in all probability not a new thing, even the esteemed Michael Sendivogius spoke of alchemists behaving like this.


And by the way, I myself absolutely do not dismiss the possible role of physical water.
As a matter of fact, among the applications I am currently testing (for the sake of enhancing my understanding), I am also running an experiment using common water. So there :)

Glad to hear it! Are you willing to share any details of your experiment (in PM or on forum)?


I also find your way of looking at the EM energy in our meat sacks very interesting...

Its not solely my own work, I've been influenced by reading the work of other great experimenters who have had access to the union between self and the divine. The problem is in developing a full and coherent understanding of it, something I am still working on by studying the sciences.

Reich thought that he had come to the creation and sustaining of the entire world virtually by studying orgone. Ighina and Leedskalnin felt the same by studying what they called magnetism. Karl Schappeller... well theres another thing altogether :). Walter Russell. Keely. Schauberger. And so on. Studying their work we often see inklings of the hermetic sciences which alchemy was born from. And then there is the simple writings of the philosopher's...

I like to see it as differing energy densities seeking equilibrium in matter - the "exhalations of the elements" which the Golden Chain speaks about being the lower element seeking friendship with the upper or volatile one, sometimes across the "void" of space. Energy seeking energy; and the recognition of the philosophers that there is no such thing as a truly closed off system. Its (IMO) an interesting way of looking at Reich's work and why something such as an ORAC actually works. The only problem with looking at it at this highly abstract level is finding a way of translating it into experiment. I suppose thats where the technik of looking at the periodic table and other such observations comes in...

Aleilius
06-05-2011, 09:43 PM
Ah, this thread has taken on a life of its own! Pretty neat how that happens.

What is more full of life: a pile of dirt, or an animal? What is more full of life: a hunk of lead, or an animal? What is more full of life: a plant/vegetable, or an animal?

Why search for a matter that is to be used as a magnet? There's a matter chalked full of life in the very image of God! Not only is it life, but it is a magnet for life.

Accursed! Anathema!!

rogerc
06-05-2011, 11:25 PM
You are presenting "the only valid point of view"? I believe, my friend, this is the most dogmatic statement I have heard in ages :D



Another statement of dogma. You are not me, you own not my soul, cannot see inside my mind and heart, how can you back up such a truculent statement with actual observation and fact?



It is a likely scenario that noone will reveal a "recipe" to the Stone on the internet... even on private forums. Here is a true fact. But the fact is that most of us are smart enough to recognize that there is no one singular recipe for taking this non-ordinary fire and condensing it into form, albeit there may be limited poossibilities of starting material/matrix available in producing a Stone of transmutation.

The statement "they are all hoaxes, liars and swindlers" is also quite dogmatic. You may wish to try on Robert Anton Wilson's "Sumbunall" (some but not all), and phrases such as "it appears to me". While I have seen many books written on alchemy in the modern day, and even several documentaries that are (it seems to me), sadly, a steaming pile of Jungian guano, or spagyric nonsense (but such earnest spagyric nonsense! with grains of truth in there), or even the classic "Ormus/ormes is the philosopher's stone", this is not to say that "all authors" are deliberately trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes. Even in some of those neo-Jungian documentaries such as the version of the Great Work described in John Anthony West's "Magical Egypt", or Luxor Media's "Solve et Coagula", there are aspects where you can find truth if you try to take the statements as relating to something tangible rather than the mental gymnastics they are trying to perform. Plus, the imagery all collected in the one place is stunning, if you just turn off the sound ;-).

You mention "real adepts coming out to write". To try to get an even clearer perspective, who do you classify as "real adepts"? What makes them differ from others? You have already discounted Ripley and several others as incorrect in their work, so apparently you, humble alchemist, must have met them and had them over for tea and discussed their ideas with them. I suppose you also have a TARDIS? :)

My preference is always for rational discourse and debate, rather than "you're wrong but I can't tell you why you're wrong". So rather than telling me you present "the only valid point of view" and that "I cannot support my own views with the writings of the philosophers" (when in fact my views came from them), how about something a little more substantial, so we can open up proper discussion?

Please do not take my comments as attacks on you or your belief system, but what I see on this forum is that most here like to take on this all is in one or all is one mentality, and that the stone can be extracted from everything approach and that the truth is everywhere or anywhere you look, and that everyone can interpret the writings of the philosophers in their own way and all viewpoints are valid, nonsense, well I say poopycock! I am all for democracy and for everyone to practice in any way they see fit, however it is clear that everything is not open to everyones own interpretation and that the philosophers meant something exacting when they wrote, dogmatic? well perhaps but if there is only one way that leads to success then it matters not how dogmatic the view maybe, if it continues to be the only way to properly practice for eons, it is only a lack of understanding that leads to multiple interpretations, and what I see here is that people like to pull this card out to prevent from being wrong, it is a nice way to avoid confrontation, but it prevents any real discussion and furthermore this mentality doesn't really help or give an iota or an inkling in how to begin to apply philosophy to our art, it is as I say, only a skin deep appreciation to merely say that all is one and no one is wrong.

Road
06-05-2011, 11:29 PM
You are presenting "the only valid point of view"? I believe, my friend, this is the most dogmatic statement I have heard in ages :D

What Some May View As Dogmatic Belief Is But Sound Doctrine, Directly Observed Truth, To Others.


Here is a true fact. But the fact is that most of us are smart enough to recognize that there is no one singular recipe for taking this non-ordinary fire and condensing it into form, albeit there may be limited poossibilities of starting material/matrix available in producing a Stone of transmutation.

~As The Principles, The Elements, Abound Everywhere, A Stone May Be Made From Most Anything—Albeit With More Time, Labor, And Manufaction. Our Flames, However, Are Not So Divisible.

rogerc
06-05-2011, 11:35 PM
What Some May View As Dogmatic Belief Is But Sound Doctrine, Directly Observed Truth, To Others.



~As The Principles, The Elements, Abound Everywhere, A Stone May Be Made From Most Anything—Albeit With More Time, Labor, And Manufaction. Our Flames, However, Are Not So Divisible.


Thank you this is exactly what I am trying to say, well put and quite eloquent.

rogerc
06-05-2011, 11:43 PM
The only problem with looking at it at this highly abstract level is finding a way of translating it into experiment. I suppose thats where the technik of looking at the periodic table and other such observations comes in...

This is exactly my point! How will you find a way to apply these "highly abstract levels" to the pracitcal laboratory....only by properly comprehending the writings of the philosophers, you are right I cannot help you, this is perhaps where prayer comes in, maybe it will come to you in a dream or little by little you will gain a firm footing and know how to procede but first one has to empty his cup and forget all manners of sophistry and scientific fact, jargon periodic tables and pseudoscience. Our art is a spiritual science, but a concrete one.

Road
06-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Ah, this thread has taken on a life of its own! Pretty neat how that happens.

What is more full of life: a pile of dirt, or an animal? What is more full of life: a hunk of lead, or an animal? What is more full of life: a plant/vegetable, or an animal?

~Trophic Dynamics Makes The Answer Abundantly Clear.:p Indeed, The True Question One Should Ask Is This: From What Matter May I Sooner Attend the Culmination?

Road
06-05-2011, 11:58 PM
This is exactly my point! How will you find a way to apply these "highly abstract levels" to the pracitcal laboratory....only by properly comprehending the writings of the philosophers, you are right I cannot help you, this is perhaps where prayer comes in, maybe it will come to you in a dream or little by little you will gain a firm footing and know how to procede but first one has to empty his cup and forget all manners of sophistry and scientific fact, jargon periodic tables and pseudoscience. Our art is a spiritual science, but a concrete one.

~Forgive Me, But I Could Not Resist... "Nan'in, A Japanese Master During The Meiji Era (1868-1912), Received A University Professor Who Came To Inquire About Zen. Nan'in Served Tea. He Poured His Visitor's Cup Full, And Then Kept On Pouring. The Professor Watched The Overflow Until He No Longer Could Restrain Himself. 'It Is Overfull. No More Will Go In!' 'Like This Cup,' Nan'in Said, 'You Are Full Of Your Own Opinions And Speculations. How Can I Show You Zen Unless You First Empty Your Cup?'"

vega33
06-06-2011, 12:56 AM
This is exactly my point! How will you find a way to apply these "highly abstract levels" to the pracitcal laboratory....only by properly comprehending the writings of the philosophers, you are right I cannot help you, this is perhaps where prayer comes in, maybe it will come to you in a dream or little by little you will gain a firm footing and know how to procede but first one has to empty his cup and forget all manners of sophistry and scientific fact, jargon periodic tables and pseudoscience. Our art is a spiritual science, but a concrete one.

Salutem Punctus Trianguli, Roger,

You are sounding entirely like a preacher, so I exhort you, tongue in cheek, in the name of the most High God, holy, three-in-one, to stop this foolishness ;-).

There is no reason that scientific observation cannot be used in the pursuit of the great work. This thing we call scientific observation is borne from the labors of others... their magnum opus so to speak. Although it may perhaps be a mere shell of the actual truth which lies behind the dynamics of matter, it does contain useful information.

You should look closely at nature, as I have, then you will see that God (for want of a better term)'s work here on this physical plane is a reflection of these spiritual principles you like to boast so much about knowing (which, btw... not a pretty sight). One can see the reflection of these principles in the difference between graphite and diamond, similar to the difference between, say, different forms of granite. The crystallization matrix between the carbon atoms in diamond makes them form tetrahedral bonds, where the distance between them is the smallest possible distance, thus its density and hardness are higher than that of graphite, which has a hexagonal sheetlike structure. For this reason spiritual "alchemists" spoke of the diamond body, as a symbol for this high coherence of the spiritus mundi, both in the soul and in the body. Granites have similar aspects of hardness (diamond, btw, comes from the Greek a-damas), perhaps in part derived from their interaction with the super-dense materials such as uranium at high pressures.

When one looks at the qualities of hardness VS softness one finds invariably the high coherence and self reinforcing symmetry in hard things. Soft things such as human flesh and muscle, water and so on, have weaker bonds and less multiplanar symmetry. For instance it is only when water can line up into largely hexagonal structures (3 dimensionally) that the solid ice can form, otherwise, its bent form remains entirely fluid or even gaseous. The cause of such crystallization includes the environment, which eventually receives its influx from the stars, moon, and other heavenly bodies.

One can see the Creator's hand in everything about, and there is plenty of exhortations to prayer in nearly every alchemical manuscript, but - and I emphasise this - there is no need to de-emphasize the importance of the study of Nature which virtually every philosopher worth his philosophical salt has suggested. Nor is there a need to make things more complex than they really are, claiming that there is no way that the human brain/heart can grasp such things while working in the domain of matter. To say such things is to defecate on the Creator's best work.

rogerc
06-06-2011, 02:14 AM
There is no reason that scientific observation cannot be used in the pursuit of the great work. This thing we call scientific observation is borne from the labors of others... their magnum opus so to speak. Although it may perhaps be a mere shell of the actual truth which lies behind the dynamics of matter, it does contain useful information.

You should look closely at nature, as I have, then you will see that God (for want of a better term)'s work here on this physical plane is a reflection of these spiritual principles you like to boast so much about knowing (which, btw... not a pretty sight). One can see the reflection of these principles in the difference between graphite and diamond, similar to the difference between, say, different forms of granite. The crystallization matrix between the carbon atoms in diamond makes them form tetrahedral bonds, where the distance between them is the smallest possible distance, thus its density and hardness are higher than that of graphite, which has a hexagonal sheetlike structure. For this reason spiritual "alchemists" spoke of the diamond body, as a symbol for this high coherence of the spiritus mundi, both in the soul and in the body. Granites have similar aspects of hardness (diamond, btw, comes from the Greek a-damas), perhaps in part derived from their interaction with the super-dense materials such as uranium at high pressures.

When one looks at the qualities of hardness VS softness one finds invariably the high coherence and self reinforcing symmetry in hard things. Soft things such as human flesh and muscle, water and so on, have weaker bonds and less multiplanar symmetry. For instance it is only when water can line up into largely hexagonal structures (3 dimensionally) that the solid ice can form, otherwise, its bent form remains entirely fluid or even gaseous. The cause of such crystallization includes the environment, which eventually receives its influx from the stars, moon, and other heavenly bodies.

One can see the Creator's hand in everything about, and there is plenty of exhortations to prayer in nearly every alchemical manuscript, but - and I emphasise this - there is no need to de-emphasize the importance of the study of Nature which virtually every philosopher worth his philosophical salt has suggested. Nor is there a need to make things more complex than they really are, claiming that there is no way that the human brain/heart can grasp such things while working in the domain of matter. To say such things is to defecate on the Creator's best work.

I do not wish to look upon nature in the fashion that you do, when the philosophers said to study nature they meant as a philosopher they did not mean like a scientist, your definition of alchemy and the magnum opus is not the one generally accepted among the philosophers, they spoke in principles and archetypes not chemical bonds and crystillization angles, this is not what they meant by diamond bodies, now who is being foolish? Please do not confound my words I have said that the human mind is not but the heart is the right tool, with a deep introspection and a profound contemplation on nature, that goes beyond a materialistic and scientific view. The human mind thinks and acts in tangibility and absolutes while the heart or soul is immortal and reflects upon its own immortality and what is beyond the physical realm, this is from where an appreciation for art is derived in the first place, it cannot be taught no matter how many art appreciation classes you take, if it were otherwise we would still be animals with only base inclinations and instincts, striving only to make ourselves more comfortable through science and technology in the fashion that civilization has taken a turn for the worst, which have not served our spiritual growth any at all.

I profess to being no great master or teacher in the art I myself am only a beginer in the art, recognizing now only recently that for all this time, that what I have been practicing was in fact not alchemy. So forgive me if I sound like a purist, but contrary to what is often said on this forum it is important to first define what is and is not alchemy, and the only way we have to do that is by the writings they have left us, then and only then can we all agree enough on the same definitions to sound intelligbly to others, otherwise we are all speaking a different language.

Like Alielus and Green Lion I too have not time for games either.

Andro
06-06-2011, 06:26 AM
Heart and Mind...

Apart, each can be a great deceiver IMO.

Put together, a new and completely different state of 'presence' and 'knowingness' can arise, which is simultaneously both and neither, and certainly no longer dualistic.

(Dualistic, as in 'Heart over Mind' OR 'Mind over Heart').

We could start (just a suggestion) by 'feeling with the mind' and 'thinking with the heart', and move on from there.

Shamanic Extasy, for example, goes beyond 'Mind' and/or 'Heart'. It's a completely different way of experiencing.

Have you ever considered that 'Mind' and 'Heart' are (maybe) actually the same archetypal organ?

An organ which had its functions 'split' (so to speak) by incarnating into the physical vehicle?
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Just another perspective, among others :)

vega33
06-06-2011, 06:57 AM
Heart and Mind...

Apart, each can be a great deceiver IMO.

Put together, a new and completely different state of 'presence' and 'knowingness' can arise, which is simultaneously both and neither, and certainly no longer dualistic.

(Dualistic, as in 'Heart over Mind' OR 'Mind over Heart').

We could start (just a suggestion) by 'feeling with the mind' and 'thinking with the heart', and move on from there.

Shamanic Extasy, for example, goes beyond 'Mind' and/or 'Heart'. It's a completely different way of experiencing.

Have you ever considered that 'Mind' and 'Heart' are (maybe) actually the same archetypal organ?

An organ which had its functions 'split' (so to speak) by incarnating into the physical vehicle?
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Just another perspective, among others :)

Exactly! What might make the heart happy - pictures of puppies, families running on beaches, happy people partying without a care in the world, etc, might just as easily be an advertisement for KFC, or an insurance advertisement, for all the heart knows. That doesn't necessarily make the heart's choosing something with the right "energy" always correct.

I've always found it interesting that the locale of the most rare trace minerals in the human body is found in the brain... If Rhodium, Iridium, etc make up 5% of the brain, might it not be that the imaginative faculty which the brain has and directs is partially responsible for the formation of such matter? 5% by dry mass is no small amount!

Ghislain
06-06-2011, 07:41 AM
I already liked Road’s explanation of starting with the empty cup to allow room for understanding to enter; A bit easier
said than done though Road ;)


Road: ~Forgive Me, But I Could Not Resist... "Nan'in, A Japanese Master During The Meiji Era (1868-1912), Received
A University Professor Who Came To Inquire About Zen. Nan'in Served Tea. He Poured His Visitor's Cup Full, And Then Kept
On Pouring. The Professor Watched The Overflow Until He No Longer Could Restrain Himself. 'It Is Overfull. No More Will
Go In!' 'Like This Cup,' Nan'in Said, 'You Are Full Of Your Own Opinions And Speculations. How Can I Show You Zen Unless
You First Empty Your Cup?'"

Then as if to prove the point Vega33 wrote:

There is no reason that scientific observation cannot be used in the pursuit of the great work.

Vega, you then went on to give a good example of a cup that is near full.

If science was the way then we would have a multitude of scientists with the stone...science does have its place though
e.g...don’t get that thing too hot or it will melt...don’t add that too quickly or you will have a mess on your hands.

Androgynus
When you said,

Heart and Mind...

Apart, each can be a great deceiver IMO.

Put together, a new and completely different state of 'presence' and 'knowingness' can arise, which is simultaneously both
and neither, and certainly no longer dualistic.

(Dualistic, as in 'Heart over Mind' OR 'Mind over Heart').

We could start (just a suggestion) by 'feeling with the mind' and 'thinking with the heart', and move on from there.
Are you referring to the physical heart...and what is your understanding of the mind? Is this the brain functioning, word
orientated mind or the full bodied soul?

I am fully in agreement with the shamanistic view,


Shamanic Extasy, for example, goes beyond 'Mind' and/or 'Heart'. It's a completely different way of experiencing.
If it were not for this way of experiencing I would not be writing here. I have read very few ancient texts as there are more
available than I could read in my lifetime. I allow myself to be lead to what it is I need to know. Who or what is leading me
I have no idea...what the purpose of this travel is...I have no idea...I’ll just enjoy the journey. I’m sure all will become clear :)

Ghislain

Road
06-06-2011, 08:22 AM
If science was the way then we would have a multitude of scientists with the stone...science does have its place though
e.g...don’t get that thing too hot or it will melt...don’t add that too quickly or you will have a mess on your hands.

There Is A Reason Our Art Is Called The Divine Science, For 'It Is Not Human But Rather Angelic To Reveal It', On Account Of Its Great Difficulty To Be Searched Into.
It Cannot Be Grasped By Reason Of The Common, Worldly Intellect Alone; But This, Of Course, Does Not Mean Our Science Is Not Governed By Certain Principles—By Certain Natural Laws.

~With This Said, Nothing Hinders The Mundane Sciences More Than Their Ignorance Of The Spirit.

Andro
06-06-2011, 08:31 AM
Androgynus,

Are you referring to the physical heart...and what is your understanding of the mind?
Is this the brain functioning, word orientated mind or the full bodied soul?

I am referring to the polarities that we know by many names:

Mind/Heart
Male/Female
Sun/Moon
Logic/Emotion
Left/Right
Something/Nothing
Projecting/Reflecting

Etc... etc... etc...

They are never truly apart IMO, and setting or perceiving them as apart (in ourselves as well as around us) may not be very constructive.
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As for the empty cup:

Inspiration is EVERYWHERE. But we all have to start somewhere, here, in this world.

I, for example, am a complete dumb-ass when it comes to 'science'.

Is it to MY advantage? Apparently yes :)

Should this work to EVERYONE'S advantage? Absolutely NOT!

All this doesn't mean that some of the most 'fringe' scientific concepts aren't touching on Natural Philosophy. Just like outstanding Art - Film, Music, etc...

But not 'Mundane Science', as Road put it. Still, some of us may well start there, and move beyond.
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A cup must be first filled in order to be emptied.

And here's a little secret: The cup is not emptied by pouring out its entire 'content'.
This is impossible, because there is no such thing as 'NOTHING'. It only appears this way.

The cup is emptied over time, by gradually extracting the purest underlying principles.
This can occur up to the point that our knowledge (the content of the cup) becomes so archetypally compressed, that it no longer appears to take up any space at all (in the cup :))

Needless to say, the 'superfluities' get lost in the compression. (But there, I said it anyway. Funny, how we all do that.)

This 'emptying of the cup' can happen by a variety of means. No dogma here, on my end. It can be holistic study, crisis, meditation, practice, revelation, or any and/or all possible combinations.

One can stupidize oneself in a vulgar way, or in a philosophical way.

We all know what 'vulgar stupid' looks like.

'Philostupid' is more like Socrates saying: All I know is that I know 'NOTHING' - The ultimate 'double meaning' and 'occult blind' IMO.

Hellin Hermetist
06-06-2011, 11:23 AM
It is great that you were so much the wiser,...


Thank you.



but that does not diminish the point, some here practice the lead acetate path and spagery in general. PONS, The Philosophers of Nature in fact has a video and lecture series in the lead acetate path and presents many papers in the science of metallic decomposition, and they are not alone, several groups including some of those of which some members here are affiliated with such as heredom.org and its offshoots continue to perpetuate this "science", so it is clear that many misunderstood the philosophers both in the past and still today.

I don't know what is this PON thing and the Philosophers of Nature. Are they a modern group? It sounds look you followed their path and came to a dead end.
In any case, archemy and even spageria aren't arts to be despised. If you worked under the instructions of Fulcanelli (first book of Dwellings) or Basil Valentine, I am sure that your toils have been richly rewarded.

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 07:27 PM
"Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

http://www.kellymoore.net/images/Quetzalcoatl_telleriano.jpg

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 07:38 PM
What do you think of the allegory: "to cut off the head of the crow/raven?"


Crow:

French: corneille fr(fr) f.
Old French: corbel m

Greek: κουρούνα el(el) (kouroúna) f (* Pay attention to this word *)

Latin: corvus la(la) m



Raven:

French: corbeau fr(fr) m


Brain:

French: cerveau fr(fr) m., (pejorative or when used as food) cervelle fr(fr) f



Time:

Greek: χρόνος el(el) (chrónos) m., καιρός el(el) (kerós) m



Saturn:

Greek: Κρόνος el(el) (Krónos) m

Kouroúna = Chrónos = Krónos

Corbeau = Cerveau

How do you think the word cranium was derived?

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/symbol_body2.jpg

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 07:43 PM
Can you tell me why a lumbar puncture is called such? What about the water that issues forth from the old oak?

lumbar = lumber

What do you think of this?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TMwp2tgYB1I/AAAAAAAAGkg/y2yk0zIBq_M/detail%20du%20chene%20de%20la%20cabala%20mineralis .jpg

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 07:44 PM
Do you know which gland is attributed to Saturn?


8
Rationality = structures = cubic = 8 corners
Yang Surya: Ajna area
Pituitary gland, controls other glands
Saturn
lead

Source: http://occult-advances.org/greatwork.shtml

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 07:47 PM
What is the stone found under the dome of the rock, and above the temple mount? Why does this stone also bring forth all the waters of the world (le monde = world/people). What is the water of life, and why is it found within the hollow oak? What does a LUMBAR PUNCTURE yield?

How is the "dragon" slayed? With a lance/sword? How do you perform a lumbar puncture?

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 07:53 PM
Look at where the lance is pointed:

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/prima_materia2.jpg

vega33
06-07-2011, 07:53 PM
Then as if to prove the point Vega33 wrote:

....

Vega, you then went on to give a good example of a cup that is near full.

If science was the way then we would have a multitude of scientists with the stone...science does have its place though e.g...don’t get that thing too hot or it will melt...don’t add that too quickly or you will have a mess on your hands.

Hello Ghislain

With all due respect to your contributions to this forum, this is very pompous not to mention wrong. Just because you seem to think, along with others on this forum, along the lines of modern science being largely useless, doesn't mean others cannot make use of it while still learning in the domain of alchemy. You know nothing of the inside of my mind and heart, therefore, this pronouncement you have made upon me, this prognostication that my "cup is fill", holds no water, if you will pardon the pun. Rather you might say "it is hard for me to see how you can keep your cup from overflowing while making use of science".

People need to differentiate between the observations of the scientific method, which I make use of liberally, and the theories based on that observation. While theories may confuse us and take us off the good path, if not thoroughly examined for error, observations are independent of theories and indeed the classical texts urge us to make these observations and meditate on them. They say "if you wish to know the Stone, know yourself and you will know it". Fulcanelli urges us to study the digestive and circulatory processes. In a like manner why not study the same in the greater body of the earth? (ie, geology etc) What is there to lose from doing so? How does it detract in any way whatsoever from the study of alchemy to speak of crystallization matrices and bonding angles, as long as you understand graphically what this means and implies for the dynamics of the matter?

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 08:02 PM
What is the matter that is BEFORE your eyes, and UNDER your nose (this is a riddle)?

http://www.revisionworld.co.uk/files/pituitary%20location.JPG

http://www.rickrichards.com/chakras/pituitary_brain2a.jpg

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 08:13 PM
What color of tincture would an extract of a pineal gland yield? It would be RED, and would look something like this:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/adrenochrome/images/adrenochrome_summary1.jpg

Isn't the pineal gland also the seat of the soul? What then?


For example, tadpoles raised underneath a red light grow faster than those under bright white lights.


In 1927, in an attempt to better understand the workings of this mysterious cluster of cells in the middle of the brain, researchers placed an extract derived from ground up pineal gland into an aquarium housing tadpoles (Kardong 2009). This caused the skin of the tadpoles to turn white, suggesting that the pineal has some effect on the melanophores.

Aleilius
06-07-2011, 08:15 PM
This mystery hearkens to the la galette des rois, and the "bean" that is inside the "epiphany" cake. Whoever finds the bean becomes king! Hearken well to this allegory!

More is forthcoming. I'm releasing everything I know about this subject. The knowledge has already fallen into the wrong hands, and it's time for disclosure.

Road
06-08-2011, 01:40 AM
~A Most Fascinating Analysis, Aleilius; You Exhibit Great Prowess. I Suppose There Is Nothing Left To Be Said In This Regard; Other Than That You Are Correct.


More is forthcoming. I'm releasing everything I know about this subject. The knowledge has already fallen into the wrong hands, and it's time for disclosure.

I Confess To Finding This Statement Most Intriguing; What Prompted This Change Of Heart? ...Why Should You Be So Perturbed, What Do You Fear; And Of Whose 'Wrong Hands' Do You Speak?

rogerc
06-08-2011, 01:41 AM
Can you tell me why a lumbar puncture is called such? What about the water that issues forth from the old oak?

lumbar = lumber

What do you think of this?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nBTKgZghe0w/TMwp2tgYB1I/AAAAAAAAGkg/y2yk0zIBq_M/detail%20du%20chene%20de%20la%20cabala%20mineralis .jpg

"If you are ignorant of the philosophers stone learn it by this phrase"... so was said by a lover of truth...

"Artus est hominis, qui constat sex elementis.----answer: lumbus

Cui p si addideris,-----answer (p)lumbus

s. in. m. mutare si bene scis.-----answer plumbu(m)

Hoc erit os nostrum constans lapis Philosophorum."-----final answer philosophic lead......oh our old rocky lumps of alboan thoust has been given many names,.... oh how many times have thou been revealed yet thou are still well hidden.

Seth-Ra
06-08-2011, 02:45 AM
In the words of William Blake:


Tiger, tiger burning bright, in the forest of the night,
what immortal hand or eye could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies, burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire? What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, and what Art, could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat, what dread hand and what dread feet?

What the hammer? What the chain? In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp - dare his deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears, and watered heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?

Tiger, tiger burning bright, in the forest of the night,
What immortal hand or eye dare frame thy fearful symmetry.

:cool:

~Seth-Ra

Aleilius
06-08-2011, 03:01 AM
~A Most Fascinating Analysis, Aleilius; You Exhibit Great Prowess. I Suppose There Is Nothing Left To Be Said In This Regard; Other Than That You Are Correct.
Hi Road, thank you for the kind words! I try as best as I can to post topical & well researched information. I have no doubt that most will discount my research. I'm also pretty sure I'll be considered crazy by most "alchemists" out there after this thread.

I do have more, and it's really fascinating! A lot of my work involves the phonetic cabala, and trying to hunt down all the proper associations/connections.


I Confess To Finding This Statement Most Intriguing; What Prompted This Change Of Heart? ...Why Should You Be So Perturbed, What Do You Fear; And Of Whose 'Wrong Hands' Do You Speak?

When I first started on this path I had the notion in my mind that once I found "the answer" I'd openly release it. So I suppose I'm staying true to my original mission.

What do I fear? I fear that humans are being used as cattle. There are so many notions out there about a "harvest" that's supposed to take place before the end of the age (happens before a pole-shift). The cattle/human abduction/mutilation phenomena ties together with this.

The wrong hands are many. There are various nefarious groups out there that have knowledge of this, and commit such horrible acts. There are evil humans with knowledge of this work besides ETs.

The annunaki didn't come here to mine elemental gold (they can obtain as much as this as they want via transmutation), but living gold. Mind and mine both sound alike, and for good reason!

http://secretebase.free.fr/civilisations/sumeriens/annunaki/statuettes.jpg


"Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

http://labyrinthpsycho.blogspot.com/2011/05/elite-psychopaths-and-their-grand.html


Even as they denounced the barbaric cannibals of the New World, they applied, drank, or wore powdered Egyptian mummy, human fat, flesh, bone, blood, brains and skin.

Dr Sugg said: 'The human body has been widely used as a therapeutic agent with the most popular treatments involving flesh, bone or blood.

Dr Sugg's research will be featured in a forthcoming Channel 4 documentary with Tony Robinson in which they reconstruct versions of older cannibalistic medicines with the help of pigs' brains, blood and skull.

Aleilius
06-08-2011, 03:22 AM
More background information:



http://www.whale.to/b/reptiles.html

According to the Mothers of Darkness, the satanic cult based in Brussels who train and educate the MK child slaves as they are 'born to the blood' - the Aryan bloodline is Alien to this planet - they were a Race fleeing the Reptiles and got here 4000BC - then started mixing with the locals. Red hair, Blonde hair, blue eyes they may have been of great stature as recent excavations of the 8 foot tall Firbolg Knights in Eire suggest.

Then, the Reptilian species - who have according to Giza plain mathematics have come from the Serpens star cluster [serpens caput and serpens cauda both of 7 stars] arrived in 2000BC and as record would have it - infiltrated the Human race and its social structure and began the hybridisation experimentation. One of which was the foundation of the Merovingian Dynasty [born out of half man and half 'fish'].

...

Because the Reptiles allegedly cannot call up their lost mates from the abyss, they need the magical/spiritual properties of the aryans to do the ceremony for them. They turn up - after ritual has been rigourously followed, and give their special team of shape changers in this dimension encouragement to carry on looking for the way to go with the escape of the 'demons' from their abyss. Various MK-slaves are there, some get eaten some get 'orgied' - flesh and blood is devoured especially that of the sacrifice - a female whose combination of blood; preferred menstrual [thats why satanic/druidic ritual goes with the full moon] - and with the secretion from the pineal gland stimulated by intense fear, the sacrifice drives the Reptiles wild with carnage.

The pineal gland or third eye in human terms is an alien piece of biochemistry in the human race - as any biochemistry text book will tell of its reptilian biochemistry - so it leads us to wonder whether or not the Aryan Race was a phase 2 hybrid created by the Shape Changing reptiles so that they could colonise this sector of the '3' dimensional cosmos.

Reptiles could do with a pineal gland - because they want its mystical powers, but it looks like they have been unable to integrate this organ into their own being - as it gives access to dimensions of incredible energy and spiritual purity that would be a bit off-putting to a species hell bent on slaughter. The Reptiles are trying to bring through the 'Old Ones' in fact as characterised by HP Lovecraft in 'the Dunwich Horror'.

They have a hypnotic gaze which fixes the victim - in a trance of terror - which promotes secretion of the pineal gland - at that point, they cannot hold human form any longer and shape shift in anticipation of supper. They have a pecking order at bloodfest ceremonies, and seem to need more and more blood these days as the planetary food supply is deteriorating in quality. [must be the additives etc]

They have therefore capitalised on every Druidic and Magical date to try to get as much use out of the effect of the lunar cycle on female menstrual blood. They call this aspect of the menstrual blood Starfire, and indeed, one of the people in the UK Arizona Wilder 'fingers' as a Shape Shifter called Lawrence Gardiner has written an article about 'Starfire and menstrual blood' in Nexus magazine. he is also behind the 'Order of the Dragon' an attempt to assemble and register the pure bloodstock of the UK in London.

A list of other people Arizona Wilder says that she has seen shapeshift into Reptiles at these rituals;

USA: Bush and 2 sons, Albright, Kissinger, Reagan and Nancy, J Rockefeller, Ford, Carter and LB Johnson. EUROPE: Queen Mum, Queen Liz II, Princess Margaret, Charles, Tony Blair, and prince Philip, Zacharia Sitchin, Lawrence Gardiner.

The big International and Interstellar leader she says is a chap called the Marquis de Libero - aka Pindar [phallus of the Dragon] who provides superior seed to impregnate the specially bred Aryan and Bloodline Children with - including - Princess Diana - who brought forth Prince William - Pindars son.

In the underground vaults of his castle in the Alsace Region of France, green glowing flourescent rocks turn stored menstrual blood black to be used at that special ritual - whilst in the great heat, clutches of Reptile Eggs incubate.

The Queen Mother is second to Pindar/Libero and she is carried on a rich ornate chair before she changes into something much bigger and stronger. At the ceremonies, volumous robes of red or purple richly decorated with gold, sewn jewels, and embroidered fleur de Lys are worn, not any human clothes for these would tear during the shift.

All the British House apparently have jewel encrusted goblets to drink the blood from the symbolic female 'grail' and a symbolic dagger to give it a bit of a stir. Arizona Wilder then went on to describe the appearance of the British Royal family when they have underwent the shape shift.

The Queen mum is 8 feet tall, with a snout, and fangs. All have a long tongue with hair-like protrusions - with claws for hands and feet. They have scales and these seem to disappear into one another, this, more pronounced on the back. Some have vestigial wings, all have a tail usually kept curled which is whipped about when agitated.

The Queen Mum has a beige belly and more darkly speckled and mottled brown from the head and spine. The body has protrusions running down the spine. The eyes are large and round, protruding, varying in clour from beige to yellow to yellow green - with a black vertical slit for a pupil - the eyes can be hooded. Charles apprently has two large protrusions just above where his human ears are.

The Queen [Liz II] is much darker, all over much more homogenous in marking, where the colours gradually and smoothly change to the head, tail and back.

Arizona Wilder says that the princess Diana death was a ritual public sacrifice to usher in the Age of Horus [Egyptian magical tradition - rebirth of the dead god Osiris]. Because the magicians like to mirror dates, the dark goddess Hecates number is 13, which was why the 31st august was chosen.

It was a mirror of a Isis, Osiris, Horus ritual because 3 people died and the unborn baby Diana was carrying was the very special 3 months old. Apparently Baron Rothschild had to be in the tunnel at the 13th pillar where the accident happened to take the soul of Diana - and indeed an ambulance did arrive on the scene a minute after the crash. The driver henri paul was Mind Controlled and trained for the crash. Bits of Diana were then eaten by the hierarchy. Arizona Wylder has said that some Spencers were there at these Rituals, but that Diana would not attend - and that symptoms of Bulimia and Anorexia were mind control techniques used on her.

Road
06-08-2011, 04:26 AM
I'm also pretty sure I'll be considered crazy by most "alchemists" out there after this thread.
I Do Not Doubt It.


When I first started on this path I had the notion in my mind that once I found "the answer" I'd openly release it. So I suppose I'm staying true to my original mission.

...I Am Disappointed To Hear This, But Not Surprised. You, Of Course, Are Free To Choose Your Fate.


What do I fear? I fear that humans are being used as cattle. There are so many notions out there about a "harvest" that's supposed to take place before the end of the age (happens before a pole-shift). The cattle/human abduction/mutilation phenomena ties together with this.

~In The Proper Season There Is Always A Harvest. That Which Serves To Separates The Wheat From The Chaff Should Not Be Feared; But I Suspect That Words Alone Will Not Be Enough To Convince You Of This.


The wrong hands are many. There are various nefarious groups out there that have knowledge of this, and commit such horrible acts. There are evil humans with knowledge of this work besides ETs.

Perhaps; But Not All Factions Hold The Same Desires. Keep In Mind That Some Wolves Are Tame And Amiable Enough Towards Man.


"Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."
Deuteronomy 28:53 ~ 'And Thou Shalt Eat The Fruit Of Thine Own Body, The Flesh Of Thy Sons And Of Thy Daughters, Which The Lord Thy God Hath Given Thee, In The Siege, And In The Straitness, Wherewith Thine Enemies Shall Distress Thee.'

Deuteronomy 28:57 ~ 'And Toward Her Young One That Cometh Out From Between Her Feet, And Toward Her Children Which She Shall Bear: For She Shall Eat Them For Want Of all Things Secretly In The Siege And Straitness, Wherewith Thine Enemy Shall Distress Thee In Thy Gates.'

Daniel 12:3 ~ 'And They That Be Wise Shall Shine As The Brightness Of The Firmament; And They That Turn Many To Righteousness As The Stars Forever And Ever.'


Even as they denounced the barbaric cannibals of the New World, they applied, drank, or wore powdered Egyptian mummy, human fat, flesh, bone, blood, brains and skin.

Dr Sugg said: 'The human body has been widely used as a therapeutic agent with the most popular treatments involving flesh, bone or blood.

Dr Sugg's research will be featured in a forthcoming Channel 4 documentary with Tony Robinson in which they reconstruct versions of older cannibalistic medicines with the help of pigs' brains, blood and skull.
~There Are Other, More Convenient, Sources Of Nourishment Besides Flesh; As You Well Know. Why Then This Fixation With The Macabre?

rogerc
06-08-2011, 04:40 AM
More background information:

Aleilius...you must be joking, you really went there? No offense but this seems to be more channeled information regarding the annunaki/pole shift/ planet x/ bush-royal family shape-shifter/ rothschild conspiracy/ britany spears/ underground cities fiasco circulating on youtube and other conspiracy theory websites. I don't know about annunaki or reptilian humanoids from a distant planet, but we had reptilians here millions of years ago they were called the dinosaurs and as a matter of fact our pineal gland has been often refered to as the "reptilian brain" because it is a remnant from reptilian physiology and is consistent in makeup as such, which seems counter to this statement: "Reptiles could do with a pineal gland - because they want its mystical powers, but it looks like they have been unable to integrate this organ into their own being - as it gives access to dimensions of incredible energy and spiritual purity that would be a bit off-putting to a species hell bent on slaughter. The Reptiles are trying to bring through the 'Old Ones' in fact as characterised by HP Lovecraft in 'the Dunwich Horror'."

If they are reptiles they should have one big pineal gland and should have no use for ours, right?:D

Andro
06-08-2011, 02:00 PM
What Aleilius says about the various factions/agendas (within the 'harvesting' context) is actually well documented and supported.

I am not necessarily talking about the more modern researchers (some of whom are, indeed, beginning to touch on some valid points).

I am mainly talking about many Shamanic traditions/lineages, where this sort of information has been well known and guarded for millennia.

I was initiated into some of these traditions/lineages, and they are ALL similar in content (on these issues) all across the globe, independently of each other.
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If they are reptiles they should have one big pineal gland and should have no use for ours, right?:D

There are vast differences between the incarnational path and inherent potential of current Earther Humans, as opposed to other races in this galaxy.

There is a larger picture at play here.
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Keep In Mind That Some Wolves Are Tame And Amiable Enough Towards Man.

The 'Wolf in Sheep's Clothing' analogy comes to mind. Whether appearing as 'predatory' or as 'trying to help', they ALL have their agendas.

Earth Humans can be very naive sometimes, when it comes to 'The Big Brothers from the Sky' coming to 'assist'/'evolve'/'rescue' us and such other New Age pseudo-spiritual propaganda.

We would do better putting more trust in ourselves, and beware of 'Greeks who bear gifts' (as in 'Trojan Horses').


There Are Other, More Convenient, Sources Of Nourishment Besides Flesh; As You Well Know. Why Then This Fixation With The Macabre?


Indeed. This is all horizontal feeding. There is an abundance of Life and Spirit to be brought into this world by other means than going on skull-cracking sprees.

The vampiristic types/races who aren't able to endow themselves (or their Art) with the proper Fields, are more likely to resort to such DARK means, most likely with devastating consequences for them.
(Which vampiristic tendencies we may as well also interpret as valid incarnational experiences, nevertheless... Depending on how much one has developed his/her 'Eagle-Eye View' perspective...)

As Earther Human incarnations, our 'Inner Lamb-Springs' can be indeed awakened (and their flow increased manifold) by 'proper' nourishment. Non-Predatory, but rather 'Vertical' (so to speak) nourishment.

Andro
06-08-2011, 04:57 PM
For further archetypal analisys of concepts such as 'beheading' or 'cutting off the head' of the crow/raven, 'The Temple Of Man' by R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz may prove an interesting read to some.

rogerc
06-08-2011, 09:42 PM
What Aleilius says about the various factions/agendas (within the 'harvesting' context) is actually well documented and supported.

I am not necessarily talking about the more modern researchers (some of whom are, indeed, beginning to touch on some valid points).

I am mainly talking about many Shamanic traditions/lineages, where this sort of information has been well known and guarded for millennia.

I was initiated into some of these traditions/lineages, and they are ALL similar in content (on these issues) all across the globe, independently of each other.
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There are vast differences between the incarnational path and inherent potential of current Earther Humans, as opposed to other races in this galaxy.

There is a larger picture at play here.
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The 'Wolf in Sheep's Clothing' analogy comes to mind. Whether appearing as 'predatory' or as 'trying to help', they ALL have their agendas.

Earth Humans can be very naive sometimes, when it comes to 'The Big Brothers from the Sky' coming to 'assist'/'evolve'/'rescue' us and such other New Age pseudo-spiritual propaganda.

We would do better putting more trust in ourselves, and beware of 'Greeks who bear gifts' (as in 'Trojan Horses').



Well we have the television series V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series)), where the alien reptilian plot was revealed and foiled, they came bearing gifts but the jig should be up!! :) Right? Thanks for the levity.... this thread was much too serious.

rogerc
06-08-2011, 09:54 PM
In the words of William Blake:



:cool:

~Seth-Ra

When Phoebus with his rayes bright
Through the Raine takes his flight
His heate is then soe nourishinge
To the Earth and every other thinge
That sapp and roote doth then revive
By Phoebus heate attractive
Drawing by branches of the vine
Water mingled with Earth fine
Containeinge also fier and Ayre
Which liquor on Earth hath noe peere
CHAOS veterum some doe it call
Confused in it the Elements all
Wherefore draw thou a water bright
Contayneng in it the fiers might
And in the residence thou shalt finde
An Earth black as man of Inde
Which into Luna looke thou throwe
Till it be whiter then the snowe
That Earth put in a glasse faire
And put thereto of his water cleere
But close the mouth well of the Glasse
That the Spirit doe not out passe
A dayes space then lett them stand
To be buried in could sand
Then doe it in a bath of lent heate
That faint water it maye out sweate
So weake water thou shalt up still
But fier beneath with Earth will dwell
When all the fainte water is drew
And fier left in the Earth belowe
Then of this water put on more
And do as earst thou didst before
But often times thou must doe this
To gett much store of fier I wisse
So when thy fier is multiplied
Which still belowe in Earth will bide
Then hast thou gott a burning fire
That draw forth at thy owne desier
For Earth with his attractive might
Keepes downe with him the fire bright
First hide the fire the Earth within
And afterward looke thou them twinne
Thus Raymund ment when he did say
Absconde ignem in intimis terrae
Then set thy glass in dry fire
Till the white fumes doe appeare
Receive the same cloudes bright
Which tourne the water greate of might
This water if thou doest not knowe
Some thinge thereof I will the shewe
Of which Philosophers meane
From bowels of the Earth updrawe
By Phoebus might as earst was shewne
Mercury vegetable it is without doubt
That causeth Cropp and roote to sproute
Ignis humidus forsooth it is
The comfort of our life I wis
Mercury vegetable that men of clatter
That reduceth Gold to his first matter
This is the key that all must done
To open the bodies of Sonne and Moone
Also the menstrue vegetative
The metalline body that doth revive
The menstrue resolutive is the thinge
Which the menstruum resolved forth doth bringe
Then rectifie this water of might
And doe in it obryson bright
Which thou that tourne to his first matter
As doth Ice in warme water
And so together thou must convert
That never asunder they shall depart
Then circulate them so thou shall
To heale in man diseases all
For then thou has Electrum right
The first essence of the Sonne bright
This is the Philosophers Sulphur vive
Theire Tinctur, lead, theire Gold of life
Likewise Luna thou maist reduce
To serve the to an other use
If thou hast grace then mayst thou finde
A water of an other kinde
Which faster to the metall doth cleave
Ingendred in the Earth beneath
Reduce him rightly into water
Which of metalls is first matter
Whose partes so divide thou shall
Into Earth and water minerall
That after they may conjoyned be
To cure in metalls leprosy
And for the order of true workenge
In figures is satt downe every thinge
To make white stone and the redd
Elixir vitae to putt away dread
To shew the order I meane truly
For workes in Bookes disordred bee
And keepe this secret I the praye
As thou wilt answear it at doomes day
And keepe it out of wicked hands
Which in no feare of God stands
And keepe it well in safety
To guide thy bretheren eke and thee
The key of all is heere in briefe
Which erst by none was ere so reife
And looke that aye thou live aright
And serve the Lord in Truth and Spight
And dooe good deedes unto the poore
So shalt thou live for ever more.
~The Work of Dickenson

Andro
06-09-2011, 03:19 AM
Well we have the television series V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series)), where the alien reptilian plot was revealed and foiled, they came bearing gifts but the jig should be up!! :)

Right? Thanks for the levity.... this thread was much too serious.

I'm all for a little humor to lighten things up every now and then, but there is a time and a place for everything, and this was not one of those times.

Arrogance has blinded especially westerners from seeing what's been happening on their own planet, things that have been known by native/indigenous peoples for thousands of years.

This tendency to ridicule what one is not able to see or comprehend is also a common byproduct of the aforementioned arrogance.

But, as we know, one cannot alter the 'natural bent' of another.

I am not talking here about Alchemy, I definitely do NOT regard vampiristic/predatory harvesting of human 'juices' as 'alchemy'.

But these Dark practices are very old and very real. They are not some type of modern hype or Hollywood invention.

I have said more than enough on this subject already.

It's up to every individual to do his/her own research and use his/her own discernment without being bothered by fear or ridicule from others.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 04:31 AM
...I Am Disappointed To Hear This, But Not Surprised. You, Of Course, Are Free To Choose Your Fate.

I will do whatever I so desire with my life. Do not be disappointed for my own choices. I am disappointed that such secrets have been kept well hidden.



~In The Proper Season There Is Always A Harvest. That Which Serves To Separates The Wheat From The Chaff Should Not Be Feared; But I Suspect That Words Alone Will Not Be Enough To Convince You Of This.

Who gave you the job of convincing me of anything? It's not honorable to say one thing, and act another way, or to double-speak. If I say something, I say it in truth, and honor. I rarely ever poke fun at another person, and rarely ever speak about something if it's not serious.

You come to this thread backing me up, but now it seems to be the opposite? Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you.

I'm not saying everything, and there's an actual process for this work. It's not just cracking open a skull, and having at it. I'm not going to tell anybody how to carry out this accursed work.



Perhaps; But Not All Factions Hold The Same Desires. Keep In Mind That Some Wolves Are Tame And Amiable Enough Towards Man.
They shall be known by their fruit.



Deuteronomy 28:53 ~ 'And Thou Shalt Eat The Fruit Of Thine Own Body, The Flesh Of Thy Sons And Of Thy Daughters, Which The Lord Thy God Hath Given Thee, In The Siege, And In The Straitness, Wherewith Thine Enemies Shall Distress Thee.'

Deuteronomy 28:57 ~ 'And Toward Her Young One That Cometh Out From Between Her Feet, And Toward Her Children Which She Shall Bear: For She Shall Eat Them For Want Of all Things Secretly In The Siege And Straitness, Wherewith Thine Enemy Shall Distress Thee In Thy Gates.'

Daniel 12:3 ~ 'And They That Be Wise Shall Shine As The Brightness Of The Firmament; And They That Turn Many To Righteousness As The Stars Forever And Ever.'
These are very good!


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~There Are Other, More Convenient, Sources Of Nourishment Besides Flesh; As You Well Know. Why Then This Fixation With The Macabre?


I'm not speaking of eating flesh, distilling skulls, drinking blood, etc. I agree that's pointless (forgive the pun). You want the point. Those things are trivial compared to this work. Again, it's not just cracking open a skull, and eating it.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 04:33 AM
Aleilius...you must be joking, you really went there?

Is this me, or you?

http://astro.temple.edu/~tuc67336/big-pics/TrollFace.png

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 04:43 AM
What Aleilius says about the various factions/agendas (within the 'harvesting' context) is actually well documented and supported.


Hi Androgynus, thank you for backing me up (even if you're only doing so in a partial manner). It really is appreciated on this side of the table, and does mean a lot to me.


The 'Wolf in Sheep's Clothing' analogy comes to mind. Whether appearing as 'predatory' or as 'trying to help', they ALL have their agendas.

Earth Humans can be very naive sometimes, when it comes to 'The Big Brothers from the Sky' coming to 'assist'/'evolve'/'rescue' us and such other New Age pseudo-spiritual propaganda.

We would do better putting more trust in ourselves, and beware of 'Greeks who bear gifts' (as in 'Trojan Horses').
Here here! This scares the living hell out of me. I know what they are capable of in terms of cattle/human mutiliations. Have you listened to John Lear's disclosure briefing? Do you read Linda Howe's reports on cattle mutilations?


Indeed. This is all horizontal feeding. There is an abundance of Life and Spirit to be brought into this world by other means than going on skull-cracking sprees.
It's great if one can manufacture the Universal Medicine. That's the ultimate goal. This is the other way, and you have summed it up quite well in this statement: "The vampiristic types/races who aren't able to endow themselves (or their Art) with the proper Fields, are more likely to resort to such DARK means, most likely with devastating consequences for them."

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 04:49 AM
Why haven't any of you analyzed this image? Do you know where I'm taking it from? It's from the RIPLEY SCROLL!

Please focus on this for a little while, and forget everything I've said previously. I want this image to be the focus right now.

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/prima_materia2.jpg

Please try to explain away the spear pointed at the third eye, and what appears to be a red "rope" from the moon descending to the womb of the woman. Forget the red fountain that's spurting up on the left, and the drops of red liquid from above. That's just the blood of the dragon, no worries!

:rolleyes:

Awani
06-09-2011, 05:09 AM
I don't know about annunaki or reptilian humanoids from a distant planet

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4-Ningishzidda

Outer space is inner space!


Please try to explain away the spear pointed at the third eye, and what appears to be a red "rope" from the moon descending to the womb of the woman. Forget the red "blood" fountain that's spurting up on the left, and the drops of red liquid from above.

Sounds like you already have the answers, if so why the Q and A? ;) It looks like an operation, in Shamanic traditions operation (or the cutting out of eyes, opening the body, being eaten alive) is a common feature... as it is in alien abductions.


Blood is the first incarnation of the universal fluid; it is the materialized ‘vital light’. Its birth is the most marvellous of all nature’s marvels; it lives only by perpetually transforming itself, for it is the universal Proteus. - Éliphas Lévi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliphas_Levi)

:cool:

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 05:17 AM
Sounds like you already have the answers, if so why the Q and A? ;)


You know me! I'll speak to a wall if it listens, perhaps even question one too, and I'll continue doing so until the end of time. I'll be damned if I don't get an answer either! Bah!

Sometimes it's required to beat a seeker on the head with a pipe in order for enlightenment to be obtained.


Yamaoka Tesshu, as a young student of Zen, visited one master after another. He called upon Dokuon of Shokoku.

Desiring to show his attainment, he said: "The mind, Buddha, and sentient beings, after all, do not exist. The true nature of phenomena is emptiness. There is no realization, no delusion, no sage, no mediocrity. There is no giving and nothing to be received."

Dokuon, who was smoking quietly, said nothing. Suddenly he whacked Yamaoka with his bamboo pipe. This made the youth quite angry.

"If nothing exists," inquired Dokuon, "where did this anger come from?"


It looks like an operation, in Shamanic traditions operation (or the cutting out of eyes, opening the body, being eaten alive) is a common feature... as it is in alien abductions.

The specimen must be alive for it to be worth anything. Yeah, let's not think about the cattle mutilations with cored out eyes, brains removed, blood completely drained, genitals removed, etc. Move along now! That has nothing to do with this. Shhh! It doesn't exist.

This happens with humans too, but they don't want you to know about that.

Awani
06-09-2011, 05:20 AM
I wasn't finished writing... see above.

:cool:

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 05:23 AM
Blood is the first incarnation of the universal fluid; it is the materialized ‘vital light’. Its birth is the most marvellous of all nature’s marvels; it lives only by perpetually transforming itself, for it is the universal Proteus.

Blood? What? No! Accursed! Can't be alchemy!!

Let's move along now. Don't look at this engraving below that is dedicated to collecting the blood of the children. That's just an allegory! You'd have to be crazy to think otherwise. Yeah, it's just the sulphur of metals. It's an allegory. That's all.

Oh, don't worry about the way the child is positioned, and how the sword is piercing into the child. I'll be damned if that doesn't look like a lumbar puncture of some sort. There are countless ways to bleed a person. That's probably the worst way. Go straight for the aorta if you're going to do it. Why upside down?

Just an allegory. Why on Earth would anybody use such gruesome symbolism to represent an allegory? WHY? There's no reason for such vulgarity other than it might possibly be true.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AsRHWu87vOY/TV3KDMMMw6I/AAAAAAAABLI/R6tDqITZ2Io/s320/abraham+eleazar+8.gif

Awani
06-09-2011, 05:25 AM
Ayahuasca tastes like blood (did to me)... it is the iron... blood is symbol of iron/mars IMO (possibly).

:cool:

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 05:34 AM
Ayahuasca tastes like blood (did to me)... it is the iron... blood is symbol of iron/mars IMO (possibly).

Fairy blood is a good admixture for ayahuasca I hear! Bet the shamans added some for extra punch (well, this joke only works if the ayahuasca you consumed was from shamans, and not made yourself)! BAM!! ;););)

You're right though, blood is a symbol of iron/mars. It's the iron content. Iron is a very strange element. Mars is red because of the red iron oxide content. The allegory of the Elohim creating ADAM from red earth hearkens to the mystery that blood dries up to a red earth/dirt like materia (again iron), and of course at the very center of heme is IRON. We have the final product of stars in our blood: starfire in our hearts!

Yeah, our philosophical lodestone for sure!



Elohim: "Hey man, this red dust/rock material is what we created you from!"
Man: "No shit? Really? Damn, that must be some good stuff."
Elohim: "You bet! It'll keep the djinn away too (we hope)."

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 05:37 AM
La la la! Let's plug our ears.


On several occasions in the history of Atlas the Zro "failed." Although not changed in appearance, its properties were lost or diminished. In such a case young men and maidens in great numbers were captured on the plains, brought into Atlas, and offered in sacrifice to the Gods. Their blood[14] was mingled with Zro in its third stage, and the latter recovered its potency. Their flesh was eaten by the High Priests and Priestesses in penance for the unknown wrong. It was subject to other and terrible scourges, being the most sensitive as well as the strongest thing on Earth. On one occasion it had to be treated with a fox-like perfume prepared by the chief Magician; on another it was subjected to streams of moonlight from parabolic mirrors. *[Commentary Aleilius: That's pretty neat eh? Reminds me of a few processes out there that involve "moonlight" fixation in materia]


But the base was tunneled so that from every house was a channel for the Zro which having been brought to the highest perfection was thus transferred to headquarters. The receptacle at the base being far below the Earth, and the Zro further heated by friction, it seethed continually into a bluish or purplish smoke. This was the sole sustenance of the inhabitants of the High House. In early days the old High House, in an island since destroyed by order of the Atla, had been called the House of Blood, the inhabitants subsisting only on blood sucked from the living. The improvements in Zro had changed all that; but the idea was the same, to live on the Quintessence of Life. Hence while the "houses" ate and drank Zro, the High House drank its vapour. No children were born in it, and none below the rank of High Priest dwelt there.

It was "the wife of Zro," "the heart of Zro," "desire of Zro," "the Atla that eats Atlas," "the swallower up of her own house," "the pelican," "the fire-nest of the Phoenix," according to the greatest of the poets. And the burden of his hymns of worship was that it must be destroyed.


Theoretically it is possible to reach an eleventh stage wherein the Zro takes human form, and lives! Opinion is divided as to whether this was not actually done by a certain Magician at the time of the passing of Atlas. In any case, I beg the reader to remember that I have only described one seventh of the virtues of Zro, and I have even omitted this, that in its ninth stage it is not only food and drink, but Universal Medicine, if properly understood. For Zro is also a vision and a voice!

The reactions I get from some posters out there make me laugh! Yeah, it's not like I've studied anything at all! Nope, just some guy that think he knows something. All I do is study. All I do is research! That IS my passion.

Yeah, laugh away. :D

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 06:20 AM
Hi all, sorry, I made a number of edits to my previous posts. Please go back and re-read them before replying.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 06:48 AM
Hey hey! I'll reference something that relates to this somewhat!

Ever heard of animal alchemy/spagyrics eh? No? Well then, you're retarded! Look here: http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jfren_4.html.

Oh, look at this gem!


THE ESSENCE OF MAN'S BRAINS

Take the brains of a young man that has died a violent death, together with the membranes, arteries, veins, nerves, all the pith of the back, and bruise these in a stone mortar until they become a kind of pap. Then put as much of the spirit of wine as will cover it three or four fingers breadth. Then put it into a large glass so that three parts of four be empty, being hermetically closed. Then digest it half a year in horse dung. Then take it out and distill it in balneum and cohobate the water until the greatest part of the brains be distilled off.

A scruple or two of this essence taken in some specifical water once in a day is a most infallible medicine against the falling sickness.

I bet it's only so efficacious because the material was taken from a dead man. Hell, this reminds me of cattle/animal mutilations, but they've figured out that the product is better when alive! Cadavers are pointless. There's no life. Just dealing with vulgar spagyrics/chemistry/biochemistry at that point.

Road
06-09-2011, 08:19 AM
The 'Wolf in Sheep's Clothing' analogy comes to mind. Whether appearing as 'predatory' or as 'trying to help', they ALL have their agendas.

One Could Say The Same Thing Of Humans. An Agenda, However, Which Benefits All Parties Is Something I Would Not Perceive Any Harm In.


You come to this thread backing me up, but now it seems to be the opposite? Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you.

I Am Not Afraid Of That Which I Know; It Is That Simple... Whereas You Behold A Terrible Fate, I Behold A Glorious Future.


I'm not saying everything, and there's an actual process for this work. It's not just cracking open a skull, and having at it. I'm not going to tell anybody how to carry out this accursed work.

In This Regard You May Know More Than I; Unfortunately It Is Impossible To Know Whether Our Thoughts Align As You Will Not Speak Of It.


They shall be known by their fruit.

~Agreed.


These are very good!
As Are These:

Deuteronomy 12:23 ~ 'Only Beware Of This, That Thou Eat Not The Blood, For The Blood Is For The Soul: And Therefore Thou Must Not Eat The Soul With The Flesh.'

John 6:53-57 ~ 'Truly, Truly, I Say To You, Unless You Eat The Flesh Of The Son Of Man And Drink His Blood, You Have No Life In You. Whoever Feeds On My Flesh And Drinks My Blood Has Eternal Life, And I Will Raise Him Up On The Last Day. For My Flesh Is True Food, And My Blood Is True Drink. He Who Eats My Flesh And Drinks My Blood Abides In Me, And I In Him. As The Living Father Sent Me, And I Live Because Of The Father, So He Who Feeds On Me Will Live Because Of Me.'

Road
06-09-2011, 08:29 AM
Let's move along now. Don't look at this engraving below that is dedicated to collecting the blood of the children. That's just an allegory! You'd have to be crazy to think otherwise. Yeah, it's just the sulphur of metals. It's an allegory. That's all.

~A Pointed Question: Do You Then Conceive That All Adepts Who Practiced The Art Were Non-Human?

Andro
06-09-2011, 09:21 AM
An Agenda, However, Which Benefits All Parties Is Something I Would Not Perceive Any Harm In.

One might argue or claim the same thing about global scale euthanasia or a massive (engineered) population reduction.
It's 'good' for the dead, because they are freed from their mortal flesh, and it's 'good' for the living because of the increased remaining resources or whatever...

Nothing one can't conveniently rationalize...

Or burning 'heretics' at the stake by the church, for example.
It's 'good' for the 'faithful' (sheep) because there are no more 'bad' influences, and it's 'good' for the 'sinners' because their souls are 'purified' by the fire.
And it's certainly 'good' for the church (your friendly neighborhood wolves) for re-enforcing its authority...

Or like the US (Global Bully State) going to stupid wars to 'liberate' other nations and bring them 'democracy'. Yeah, right. An agenda which surely benefits all parties, sure, so the spin says...

Or how about handing out (forcefully is even 'better') anti-depressant pharmaceuticals to the entire population? Everyone is happy! All are benefiting!

Even with such idealistic concepts as an 'All-Benefiting Agenda' - we are still in a highly subjective and gray area.

Such 'All-Benefiting' Utopias usually tend to have concentration camps as byproducts, if history teaches us anything.

The very term 'All-Benefiting Agenda' is an archetypal oxymoron, IMO.
True Individuals can handle themselves and cooperate in harmony by discerning compatibility and also the lack thereof. Maybe with a few basic guidelines, at best.
On Monroe Level 27 (The Park) there is one simple guiding principle: Do what you want, but never even attempt to impose your will on someone else. Let alone trying to 'save' anyone.

Talking about an all-encompassing and all-benefiting agenda is like talking about a 'recipe' for the Philosopher's stone. There isn't one...

And my question to everyone here is:

If/when the big mother-ships descend and offer (or simply proceed without even asking) to 'save' us (from ourselves) with fancy talk about love & light and 'genetic activations' - will YOU willingly get on board?

If 'angels' or 'ascended' masters' (or any other such characters) start appearing out of the fucking blue - how do you know they are not holographic projections?

How do you discern between 'mystical apparitions' and advanced alien technology?

Just a few points for consideration, not meant/directed towards anyone in particular.
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All this being said - if anyone happens to stumble upon an 'All-Benefiting Agenda' - please do share.
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Road
06-09-2011, 09:55 AM
One might argue or claim the same thing about global scale euthanasia or a massive (engineered) population reduction. It's 'good' for the dead, because they are freed from their mortal flesh, and it's 'good' for the living because of the increased remaining resources or whatever...
~There Is Another Possibility; Peace.


On Monroe Level 27 (The Park) there is one simple guiding principle: Do what you want, but never even attempt to impose your will on someone else. Let alone trying to 'save' anyone.

...And If The Majority Wish To Be Saved, Would You Abide By Their Choice?

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 10:01 AM
~A Pointed Question: Do You Then Conceive That All Adepts Who Practiced The Art Were Non-Human?

No, not all roses are blue either.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 10:05 AM
Whereas You Behold A Terrible Fate, I Behold A Glorious Future.
Why?


As Are These:

Deuteronomy 12:23 ~ 'Only Beware Of This, That Thou Eat Not The Blood, For The Blood Is For The Soul: And Therefore Thou Must Not Eat The Soul With The Flesh.'

John 6:53-57 ~ 'Truly, Truly, I Say To You, Unless You Eat The Flesh Of The Son Of Man And Drink His Blood, You Have No Life In You. Whoever Feeds On My Flesh And Drinks My Blood Has Eternal Life, And I Will Raise Him Up On The Last Day. For My Flesh Is True Food, And My Blood Is True Drink. He Who Eats My Flesh And Drinks My Blood Abides In Me, And I In Him. As The Living Father Sent Me, And I Live Because Of The Father, So He Who Feeds On Me Will Live Because Of Me.'

Even better! Oh!

Andro
06-09-2011, 10:36 AM
~There Is Another Possibility; Peace.

Peace... Care to elaborate/be more specific about the actual means of implementation? Otherwise it sounds like a beauty queen stating that she wants 'World Peace'...


...And If The Majority Wish To Be Saved, Would You Abide By Their Choice?

All of a sudden it's no longer for the benefit of ALL, but for the MAJORITY?

Are we negotiating?

And which majority exactly? Numerical/vulgar? Religious? 'Moral' Majority? What kind of percentage are we talking about?

And, BTW, saved from WHAT exactly? And where do we put those who won't abide by the 'majority'? How do we deal with those stubborn and inconvenient (to the agenda) INDIVIDUALS?

Also, assuming there is such a thing as 'choice' - I only abide by my own experiential needs. And I only associate according to compatibility.

Here is an interesting concept, which only SEEMS like a paradox: We need to go to the extremes of our own individuality, in order to converge and 'come together'. No 'wholesale' agenda can accomplish this.

I will further elaborate on this concept in the near future, in the 'Spiritus Mundi' thread (as it ties in with the concept of 'Axis Mundi')

New Hampshire Motto: 'Live Free Or Die'

New-Age, Light-Sider, Pseudo-Spiritual & Mega-Interventionist Motto: 'We will save you whether you like it or not'. Goes well with: 'No Sheep will Be Left Behind'... Baaaahhh..... Baaaahhh.....

So - Thanks, but NO :)
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Road
06-09-2011, 11:02 AM
All of a sudden it's no longer for the benefit of ALL, but for the MAJORITY?

~All Who Would Wish It. The Will Of Another Should Not Be Usurped.


And which majority exactly? Numerical/vulgar? Religious? 'Moral' Majority? What kind of percentage are we talking about?

Let Us Say Somewhat Less Than 6.92 Billion.


And, BTW, saved from WHAT exactly?
~Suffering.


And where do we put those who won't abide by the 'majority'? How do we deal with those stubborn and inconvenient (to the agenda) INDIVIDUALS?

That Depends; Are These Individuals Non-Violent, Peaceful Dissenters, Or The Kind Who Would Readily Commit Hate Crimes?


Also, assuming there is such a thing as 'choice' - I only abide by my own experiential needs. And I only associate according to compatibility.

What Factors Determine Compatibility For You?


New Hampshire Motto: 'Live Free Or Die'

I Suspect Most Would Vastly Prefer To Live Free And Never Die.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 11:20 AM
I Suspect Most Would Vastly Prefer To Live Free And Never Die.


3:24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Why?

Let me answer that question.


3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-07-28images/fig3.jpg

http://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Tabernacle/CgerubimTreeofLife.jpg

http://www.the-goldenrule.name/Eros_Cherub-Seraph_files/image044.jpg

How odd.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 11:27 AM
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2009/20090907/jason_dragon.jpg

Where art thou 'o brave Jason?

Why is there a dragon/serpent eating a man instead of a cherubim with a flaming sword? Why does this meme continuously pop up throughout history?

Oh, look over there at the Golden Fleece of the Ram/Lamb! My, oh my, another symbol that pops up continuously.

Look here!


12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

All we need is the blood of the Lamb eh?

Andro
06-09-2011, 11:32 AM
~All Who Would Wish It. The Will Of Another Should Not Be Usurped.

Of course I won't do anything to deny it from those who wish it. That doesn't mean I have to join in.


Let Us Say Somewhat Less Than 6.92 Billion.

:)


~Suffering.

And what if this suffering is an absolute experiential requirement for the advancing soul?

Are you SO cruel in your heart, as to deny such a soul the opportunity? What a vicious interventionist platform to stand on!


That Depends; Are These Individuals Non-Violent, Peaceful Dissenters, Or The Kind Who Would Readily Commit Hate Crimes?

There are all sorts and forms of individuality, such as there are all sorts and forms of dissent.

Non-violent and peaceful dissenters are rarely effective, unless they use stealth OR strength in numbers (which is already quite 'threatening', even though it may have the APPEARANCE of 'peaceful'.

As for hate crimes - it makes an even stronger point for INDIVIDUALITY. Associate with your own kind ( Like also Strengthens Like, just as 'Like Heals Like' in Homeopathy), and defend yourself when attacked.

Watch the movie 'V for Vendetta' for further related insights, if so inclined...

Turning the other cheek is in any case not my cup of 'blood' :)

I will also not put my fate and faith in some pseudo-impartial system of policing or judgment which is not standing in my shoes, or at least in shoes SIMILAR to mine.

Besides, in the end, it's all about the experience...


What Factors Determine Compatibility For You?

Like Attracts Like.


I Suspect Most Would Vastly Prefer To Live Free And Never Die.

It's only the physical body that dies.

Aleilius
06-09-2011, 11:37 AM
Like Attracts Like.

http://www.swe.org/iac/images/NewMagnet.jpg

Don't mine, err, mind, me!

Andro
06-09-2011, 11:45 AM
http://www.swe.org/iac/images/NewMagnet.jpg

Don't mine, err, mind, me!

So should I take it that you perceive yourself as a magnetic monopole (one polarity only) who needs another magnetic monopole (of the opposite polarity) to feel complete?

Or should I take it (according to the magnet analogy) that your positive/male front end is attracted by the negative/female polarity, just as much as your negative/female rear end is attracted by the opposite positive/male polarity?

:D LOL :D

Besides, I am not talking about vulgar/dualistic attraction.

Awani
06-09-2011, 11:56 AM
All this being said - if anyone happens to stumble upon an 'All-Benefiting Agenda' - please do share.

Obligatory psychedelics!

I can't see any other thing that can shake us out of our slump... the break-down of the dominator culture is the only path we can follow if we want to excel as a race IMO. And to break it we need to perceive a new reality... easy for us here at this forum... not as easy for brainwashed Joe down at the gas station... unless of course he is injected with DMT once a year by the government... hey it's the law!

:cool:

Ghislain
06-09-2011, 11:29 PM
http://genius.toucansurf.com/mad magnets.jpg

There thats better...the map is not the territory :)

Think of all those protons!

Ghislain

Nibiru
06-10-2011, 07:15 AM
^^^ :) :)

Road
06-10-2011, 10:47 AM
What does a LUMBAR PUNCTURE yield?

~For The Wise It Shall Yield Nectar; The Pure Water Of The Jade Lake.

Like A Cunning Physician, You Must Take Up Our Needle, Our Spear, And Strike A Heavenly Flow.

Our King Lies In His Bed Chambers, Gravely Ill And Aflame With Thirst,
Give Him Then Medicinal Drink Till His Belly Grows Fat;
And Watch How His Deathly Sickness Is Soon Purged.

Road
06-10-2011, 12:05 PM
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2009/20090907/jason_dragon.jpg

Where art thou 'o brave Jason?

Why is there a dragon/serpent eating a man instead of a cherubim with a flaming sword? Why does this meme continuously pop up throughout history?

'A Weakling Babe, A Greybeard Old,

Surnamed The Dragon: Me They Hold

In Darkest Dungeon Languishing

That I May Be Reborn A King.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6428/vomissantdesflammes.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/vomissantdesflammes.png/)

A Fiery Sword Makes Me To Smart,

Death Gnaws My Flesh And Bones Apart.

My Soul And Spirit Fast Are Sinking,

And Leave A Poison, Black And Stinking.'

theFool
06-10-2011, 05:06 PM
Like Attracts Like.

Gravitational force acts between same bodies.
Also there is the force of adhesion (affinity), acting between similar matter, like in the case of two drops of water attracted into one.

Put the magnets this way:
http://i27.servimg.com/u/f27/13/27/64/97/poles11.jpg

vega33
06-10-2011, 10:08 PM
Gravitational force acts between same bodies.
Also there is the force of adhesion (affinity), acting between similar matter, like in the case of two drops of water attracted into one.

Put the magnets this way:
http://i27.servimg.com/u/f27/13/27/64/97/poles11.jpg

Speaking of which, This ought to help all those pale alchemists :D (http://www.rexresearch.com/white/white.htm)

Andro
06-10-2011, 11:58 PM
This ought to help all those pale alchemists :D (http://www.rexresearch.com/white/white.htm)

Vega, this already appears to be a great read!

Quite Alchemical! I'm already hooked :)

Thank you!

Aleilius
06-11-2011, 12:27 AM
Speaking of which, This ought to help all those pale alchemists :D (http://www.rexresearch.com/white/white.htm)

Do you know the reason for why I titled this thread such? Wasn't just some flight of fancy!

Okay, I'm reading the PDF now. Ha! Very interesting! It reminds me of something similar. Let me look for a reference.

Nibiru
06-11-2011, 02:14 AM
The pdf is referring to radiant energy, no??

Road
06-11-2011, 04:20 AM
Speaking of which, This ought to help all those pale alchemists :D (http://www.rexresearch.com/white/white.htm)

They Hardly Need Any Help.

Aleilius
06-11-2011, 04:33 AM
Man, this one alchemist is pretty pale!

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/saturn_hand.jpg

Aleilius
06-11-2011, 04:41 AM
The pdf is referring to radiant energy, no??
To a degree, yes, but there's more to it.

Nibiru
06-11-2011, 04:46 AM
Thanks, I only just scanned through the pdf. I'll read the entire thing when I have more time. If you don't mind me asking, what was the above photo with the test tube??

Aleilius
06-11-2011, 04:48 AM
Thanks, I only just scanned through the pdf. I'll read the entire thing when I have more time. If you don't mind me asking, what was the above photo with the test tube??

The alchemist told me it was a work with lead. ;)

Nibiru
06-11-2011, 04:50 AM
Nice! It looks like there are layers of white and green as well as a clear liquid on the top. Reminds me of layers of earth. Quite interesting...

Aleilius
06-11-2011, 04:51 AM
Nice! It looks like there are layers of white and green as well as a clear liquid on the top. Reminds me of layers of earth. Quite interesting...

He said it was just a test for a larger future work. He never got around to completing the larger work.

Road
06-11-2011, 05:52 AM
He said it was just a test for a larger future work. He never got around to completing the larger work.

Jeremiah 25:27 ~ 'And Thou Shalt Say To Them: Thus Saith The Lord Of Hosts: Drink Ye, And Be Drunken, And Vomit: And Fall, And Rise No More, Because Of The Sword, Which I Shall Send Among You.'

Job 20:15 ~ 'The Riches Which He Hath Swallowed; He Shall Vomit Up, And God Shall Draw Them Out Of His Belly.'

Aleilius
06-11-2011, 06:09 AM
Jeremiah 25:27 ~ 'And Thou Shalt Say To Them: Thus Saith The Lord Of Hosts: Drink Ye, And Be Drunken, And Vomit: And Fall, And Rise No More, Because Of The Sword, Which I Shall Send Among You.'

Job 20:15 ~ 'The Riches Which He Hath Swallowed; He Shall Vomit Up, And God Shall Draw Them Out Of His Belly.'


I say to this:


Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Road
06-11-2011, 07:40 AM
I say to this:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/955/undinerising.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/undinerising.jpg/)

~To Which I Charitably Reply: 'Then Happens That Which Will Seem A Great Miracle: That The Wolf Devours The Sun, And This Will Seem A Great Loss.'

vega33
06-11-2011, 08:37 AM
The pdf is referring to radiant energy, no??

The series of pdfs postulates something that many others (Leedskalnin, Schauberger, Davson, Ighina, and yes even Moray to some extent) have put forward before - the idea of the polarized entities (north and south pole magnets for instance in Leedskalnin) making up all matter, and all life in particular. To quote part 4:


When we realize that our bodies are made up of "polarized entities," and that the erth is a great magnet revolving in a universe of polarized energies, then we shall understand that the more we are in harmony with these COSMIC energies, the more benelit Nature will bestow upon us.

It deals with various anomalous facts observed in nature, particularly in farming, where yield appears to have been improved by what the author refers to as "electroculture". This includes not only "radiant energy" from sunlight, but alignment with the magnetic fields of force that are so vital on this planet for shaping biological evolution... subtle formative forces of nature that we have of course unbalanced in the process of putting such energy to work in our machines.

It is somewhat dated (this was written in the 1940s), but I suppose I have a taste for this kind of stuff, anything that attempts to probe these inner dynamics of life, and I've already benefited from reading similar things before :)

Andro
06-11-2011, 08:57 AM
When we realize that our bodies are made up of "polarized entities," and that the earth is a great magnet revolving in a universe of polarized energies, then we shall understand that the more we are in harmony with these COSMIC energies, the more benelit Nature will bestow upon us.

I think the Author of 'Cosmo-Electro Culture' stresses a very important point:

Natural Fields (Human, Planetary, etc...) have a Natural Rhythm to them, like a Pulse or even a Breath/Cycle.

We don't get this Rhythm/Pulse (I assume, according to this Author) from Fields generated by man-made permanent magnets, for example.

From what I gather from the text, this Natural Rhythm/Pulse is of utmost importance for achieving the beneficial effects.
✂----------------------------------------------

vega33
06-11-2011, 10:03 AM
I think the Author of 'Cosmo-Electro Culture' stresses a very important point:

Natural Fields (Human, Planetary, etc...) have a Natural Rhythm to them, like a Pulse or even a Breath/Cycle.

We don't get this Rhythm/Pulse (I assume, according to this Author) from Fields generated by man-made permanent magnets, for example.

From what I gather from the text, this Natural Rhythm/Pulse is of utmost importance for achieving the beneficial effects.
✂----------------------------------------------

I would tend to agree with this yes. A metal moving/standing in the pulse of the earth's magnetic field is producing a weak current of sorts at a rate proportionate to the pulse of that field, and this is taken up by the plants as it is small enough and in resonance to aid their natural growth rhythms. However, plants directly above running underground springs, or close to large actuations of moving energy from radio frequencies do not fair so well.

From my own research, I seem to have found that resonance, synchronous movement, things/energies working together, etc are critical to life processes, including assumedly the buildup of matter. Especially in the formation of "mixts", where dissimilar things start to unite.

Ghislain
06-11-2011, 10:07 AM
Just to play the Devil'd advocate as I so like to do...in part one of the PDF some of the plant pots were left ungrounded, however were any left ungrounded with copper wire in the pot still?.

Do egg producers today insist on the hens roosting North/South rather than East/West?

so on and so forth.

Lovely story, but how much foundation.

Ghislain

Albion
06-11-2011, 12:04 PM
The series of pdfs postulates something that many others (Leedskalnin, Schauberger, Davson, Ighina, and yes even Moray to some extent) have put forward before - the idea of the polarized entities (north and south pole magnets for instance in Leedskalnin) making up all matter, and all life in particular.

A few days ago I was doing a keyword search in Amazon.com for "Theories of Everything" and happened upon this book:

The Theory of Everything, Solved: A simplified explanation of the nature of the universe by Lawrence J. Wippler.

I haven't read it. I'm not endorsing it. Just thought I should provide the link in case anyone is interested.

http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Everything-Solved-simplified-explanation/dp/1440120471/ref=sr_1_57?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1307793413&sr=1-57

"For many years, scientists have attempted to unite the four fundamental forces?the strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnetism. Many have tried uniting known theories, such as general relativity, with quantum mechanics, string theory, and even the standard model. These theories differ, and it seems difficult to find a link to connect them. In The Theory of Everything, Solved author and researcher Lawrence J. Wippler explains a new theory and provides an alternate understanding of the workings of the atom. He found that the four fundamental forces of nature can be united by just three particles?the north and south magnetic monopoles and a particle of matter that represents an element. He describes how these particles interact with each other and how they are able to create all forms of energy, including magnetism and gravity. Setting aside the presently known theories and laws of physics and attacking the problem from a different perspective, Wippler kept his assumptions simple when developing the three-particle theory. In The Theory of Everything, Solved Wippler shows that the north and south monopoles and a particle of matter are the building blocks of the universe."

vega33
06-11-2011, 10:23 PM
A few days ago I was doing a keyword search in Amazon.com for "Theories of Everything" and happened upon this book:

The Theory of Everything, Solved: A simplified explanation of the nature of the universe by Lawrence J. Wippler.

I haven't read it. I'm not endorsing it. Just thought I should provide the link in case anyone is interested.

http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Everything-Solved-simplified-explanation/dp/1440120471/ref=sr_1_57?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1307793413&sr=1-57

"For many years, scientists have attempted to unite the four fundamental forces?the strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnetism. Many have tried uniting known theories, such as general relativity, with quantum mechanics, string theory, and even the standard model. These theories differ, and it seems difficult to find a link to connect them. In The Theory of Everything, Solved author and researcher Lawrence J. Wippler explains a new theory and provides an alternate understanding of the workings of the atom. He found that the four fundamental forces of nature can be united by just three particles?the north and south magnetic monopoles and a particle of matter that represents an element. He describes how these particles interact with each other and how they are able to create all forms of energy, including magnetism and gravity. Setting aside the presently known theories and laws of physics and attacking the problem from a different perspective, Wippler kept his assumptions simple when developing the three-particle theory. In The Theory of Everything, Solved Wippler shows that the north and south monopoles and a particle of matter are the building blocks of the universe."

Great find Albion, thanks! The book is available for download on Lulu (looks like the author is self publishing) - $6 only. I just snagged it and will have a read through it.

Albion
06-11-2011, 11:37 PM
Well, thank you for the tip, vega33. I never thought to look there. So now I'll be sure to check out Lulu for some of the other titles on my wish-list.

Postscript: I noticed a similarity between the premise of this book, as mentioned above ["He found that the four fundamental forces of nature can be united by just three particles - the north and south magnetic monopoles and a particle of matter that represents an element. He describes how these particles [which, for lack of better terms, seem to occupy a midway bridge between matter, as such, and idea/spirit - somewhat reminiscent of Indian Microvita theory] interact with each other and how they are able to create all forms of energy, including magnetism and gravity."] and one of the propositions of the book "Love Without End" - regarding Adamantine particles. I don't want to derail this thread [apologies to the OP] so I've begun a new one HERE (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2157-Magnetics-the-Heart&p=14756#post14756).

horticult
07-12-2011, 10:59 AM
that will be great!

i wonder how to puzzle these in

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3194492

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12793109

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18224472.000-cell-alchemy-turns-bone-marrow-into-brain-cells.html

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 01:21 PM
that will be great!

i wonder how to puzzle these in

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3194492

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12793109

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18224472.000-cell-alchemy-turns-bone-marrow-into-brain-cells.html

Oh oh! I actually came across the use of marrow a month or two ago when contemplating the work with the human brain (parts of it) as the prima materia. It is really strange how I'd come across this previously not well known subject, and then a month or two later you post this as a sort of synchronistic confirmation. Universe: "Yeah, you were right, let me manifest some proof for you." or "You thought it, and it became reality? Isn't that the only universal law?" Just seems to be strange to me. I've noticed this before, and was unable to explain how the universe manifested something I'd just learned about. Like, for instance, you learn a new word, and then on the same day you hear that word used (when you'd never heard it used before!). It's magick. :)

My research on this mainly focused around the cabalistic connections of marrow with other words of alchemical interest. I could immediately see a connection, but couldn't find any mention of an actual process for it (since the very nature of it would be accursed to a varying degree - using humans derived materials as the prima materia for our work).

I posted all about this on a small private forum. I think I pretty much scared all my peers when I started hinting towards the use of humans, or human derived materials as being the highest secret in alchemy. I still think this to be the case, and now we have a bit more proof! Actually, I spilled most of the gold I had in the "Alchemists sure are pale! thread, but I did leave a few gems out (which relates to what you've just mentioned). I'll merge this off into another thread sometime today. Probably will go in the section for the phonetic cabala. Actually, I think I'll just add it to the "Alchemists sure are pale" thread.

How did I know I was on to something when I first came to this strange idea? Well, the phonetic connections between certain words were just too much of a coincidence to not have been "designed" that way. Various alchemists always tell us that the only thing they leave out is the correct nature of our prima materia, and that to understand the true origin of the subject of the sages we must use the phonetic cabala.

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 03:00 PM
But even suppose that in the literal meanings you find jolly enough non- sense, in perfect keeping with the title, you must still not be deterred, as by the Sirens' song, but must interpret in a more sublime sense what you may possibly have thought, at fast, was uttered in mere light-heartedness. Have you ever picked a lock to steal a bottle? Good for you! Call to mind your ex- pression at tine time. Or did you ever see a dog - which is, as Plato says, m the second book of his Republic, the most philosophical creature in the world - discover a marrow-bone? If ever you did, you will have noticed how devotedly he eyes it, how carefully lie guards it, how fervently he holds it, how circumspectly he begins to gnaw it, how lovingly he breaks it, and how diligently he licks it. What induces him to do all this? What hope is there in his labour? What benefit does he expect? Nothing more than a little marrow. It is true that this little is more delicious than great quantities of any other meat; for, as Galen says in his third Book, On the Natural Faculties, and in his eleventh, On the Parts of the Body and their Functions, marrow is the perfect food concocted by Nature.

Who was Galen? Well, Galen was the first known to have written & speculated about the pineal gland!



http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pineal-gland/

The first description of the pineal gland and the first speculations about its functions are to be found in the voluminous writings of Galen (ca. 130-ca. 210 AD), the Greek medical doctor and philosopher who spent the greatest part of his life in Rome and whose system dominated medical thinking until the seventeenth century.

Galen discussed the pineal gland in the eighth book of his anatomical work On the usefulness of the parts of the body. He explained that it owes its name (Greek: kônarion, Latin: glandula pinealis) to its resemblance in shape and size to the nuts found in the cones of the stone pine (Greek: kônos, Latin: pinus pinea). He called it a gland because of its appearance and said that it has the same function as all other glands of the body, namely to serve as a support for blood vessels.

In order to understand the rest of Galen's exposition, the following two points should be kept in mind. First, his terminology was different from ours. He regarded the lateral ventricles of the brain as one paired ventricle and called it the anterior ventricle. He accordingly called the third ventricle the middle ventricle, and the fourth the posterior one. Second, he thought that these ventricles were filled with “psychic pneuma,” a fine, volatile, airy or vaporous substance which he described as “the first instrument of the soul.” (See Rocca 2003 for a detailed description of Galen's views about the anatomy and physiology of the brain.)

Galen went to great lengths to refute a view that was apparently circulating in his time (but whose originators or protagonists he did not mention) according to which the pineal gland regulates the flow of psychic pneuma in the canal between the middle and posterior ventricles of the brain, just as the pylorus regulates the passage of food from the esophagus to the stomach. Galen rejected this view because, first, the pineal gland is attached to the outside of the brain and, second, it cannot move on its own. He argued that the “worm-like appendage” [epiphysis or apophysis] of the cerebellum (nowadays known as the vermis superior cerebelli) is much better qualified to play this role (Kühn 1822, pp. 674-683; May 1968, vol. 1, pp. 418-423).


http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Galen.htm

In Galen's (129-ca.210 A.D.) On the usefulness of the parts of the body we find the following passage about the function of the pineal gland:

I believe that this gland resembling a pine cone and filling up the bifurcation of the large vein [v. cerebri magna (Galeni)] from which nearly all the choroid plexuses of the anterior ventricles arise was formed for the same usefulness as other glands that support veins as they divide. Indeed, its position is the same in every respect as that of such glands, for its apex is firmly established at those parts of the vein where it first divides [beneath the splenium of the corpus callosum]; all the rest of it increases in size to correspond with the distance between the vessels [vv. cerebri internae, veins of Galen] resulting from the division; and it proceeds as far as the vessels extend in a suspended condition. As soon as these veins pass onto the body of the encephalon itself [at the posterior boundary of the third ventricle], the pineal body abandons them, and the body of the encephalon in this region becomes a support for both the pineal body itself and the veins.

The notion that the pineal body is what regulates the passage of the pneuma is the opinion of those who are ignorant of the action of the vermiform epiphysis [vermis superior cerebelli] and who give more than due credit to this gland. Now if the pineal body were a part of the encephalon itself, as the pylorus is part of the stomach, its favorable location would enable it alternately to open and close the canal because it would move in harmony with the contractions and expansions of the encephalon. Since this gland, however, is by no means a part of the encephalon and is attached not to the inside but to the outside of the ventricle, how could it, having no motion of its own, have so great an effect on the canal? But perhaps some one will say, "What is to prevent it from having a motion of its own?" What, indeed, other than that if it had, the gland on account of its faculty and worth would have been assigned to us as an encephalon, and the encephalon itself would be only a body divided by many canals and would be like an instrument that was suited to be of service to a part formed by Nature to move and capable of doing so? Why need I mention how ignorant and stupid these opinions are? For this part, which people imagine must be a part of the encephalon itself near the canal, this part which must be such as to control and govern the passage of the pneuma and which they cannot discover, is not the pineal body but the epiphysis [vermis superior cerebelli] that is very like a worm and is extended along the whole canal. (Book VIII, ch.14; May, 1968, vol.I, pp.419-420.)


Thus, Galen regarded the pineal gland as a support for the blood vessels in its neighborhood. This idea was widely accepted until the eighteenth century. Even Vesalius (1543, p.638) did not object to it.

The idea that the vermis regulates the flow of spirit in the "canal" between the third and fourth ventricles was also accepted for a very long time. It fell out of favor after Vesalius (1543, p.216, p.639) had rejected it.

The Stone of Galena for sure!

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 03:12 PM
Didn't I tell all of you that CSF is the water from the old oak, the water of life, etc!


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110309125151.htm

Cerebral Spinal Fluid Guides Stem Cell Development in the Brain

ScienceDaily (Mar. 10, 2011) — Cerebrospinal fluid -- the clear and watery substance that bathes the brain and spinal cord -- is much more important to brain development than previously realized.

Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator Christopher Walsh, his postdoctoral fellow Maria Lehtinen, former student Mauro Zappaterra, and their colleagues have discovered that cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) contains a complex mix of proteins that changes dramatically with age. In the lab, CSF by itself is enough to support the growth of neural stem cells, and this effect is particularly robust in young brains.

Centuries ago, philosophers thought spinal fluid held particular importance for health. The French philosopher and mathematician René Descartes, for example, described the brain as a simple hydraulic machine, pumping fluid -- pneuma anima, or 'animal spirits' -- through the body's nerves like a Parisian water fountain.

Several years ago, Walsh's work on brain development led him to suspect that there is much more to the unassuming fluid. He noticed that neural stem cells tend to line up around the brain's inner chambers, where CSF is stored, and stick cellular fingers, called cilia, into the pool of CSF. "That made us think, there's got to be something in CSF that's binding to cilia and controlling how the cell divides," Walsh says.

In 2007, Zappaterra and Walsh performed the first comprehensive analysis of embryonic human CSF. They found it holds hundreds of different proteins that are involved in a variety of tasks, including cell growth, transport, support, and signaling. "We were amazed at the diversity of substances that we identified in there, many of which people had no clue would be there," Walsh says.

In the new study, the researchers took small pieces of embryonic rat brain tissue and, using a thin platinum wire, deftly moved them onto culture plates made up of CSF from rats of different ages. They found that when brain stem cells bathe in CSF from young rats, they furiously divide. In contrast, when grown on CSF from older rats, there is less cell division, but CSF from all ages contains all that is needed to maintain brain stem cells in a dish. Subsequent analysis of the fluid showed that the amount of a protein called Insulin-like growth factor 2 (Igf2) strongly correlates with the level of cell division.

Basically, I'm not going to say I told you so, but I told you so! I knew I'd pierced the veil correctly.

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 03:23 PM
Here's my phonetic research on this subject I promised:



From Ancient Greek μυελός (myelos, “marrow”) + -in

myelin (uncountable)
1. (neuroanatomy) A white, fatty material, composed of lipids and lipoproteins, that surrounds the axons of nerves.


From Ancient Greek μυελός (muelos, “marrow”).

myelo-
1. Used in the formation of words relating to marrow or the spinal cord.


From Ancient Greek μέλας m., μέλαινα f., μέλαν n.; first/third declension; (melas)

1. dark
2. black
3. gloomy, murky
4. obscure, enigmatic


Greek μυαλά n. pl. (myalá)

1. plural form of μυαλό
2. the brain of animals when used as food.


Greek μυαλό n. (myaló), plural μυαλά

1. brain
2. brain (person providing intelligence)
3. mind
4. Head


French: milieu (fr) m
1. middle


Greek μήλο n. (mílo), plural μήλα

1. apple


Greek μέλι (genitive μέλιτος) n, third declension; (meli)

1. honey
2. anything sweet


Greek μῆλον (genitive μήλου) n, second declension; (mēlon)

1. sheep
2. goat
3. beast


Greek μῆλον (genitive μήλου) n, second declension; (mēlon)

1. apple
2. any fruit from a tree
3. (figuratively, plural) a woman's breast

From "marrow" we can derive the following: mar/mer/mère/mare roi/roy/rei/rois/reus/rose/res/rex.. I'm sure there are a number of others, but these are the ones that most easily came to mind.

Also mill, meal, mule, and mole are appropriate when considering mel*.

I doubt this has ever before been expounded upon in a cabalistic manner so openly as I'm doing right now.

solomon levi
07-12-2011, 04:28 PM
Sorry - I thought I was posting under the practical section - didn't mean to put that here.

I haven't read it recently, as a whole. But I've followed somewhat.
I can certainly relate to the cerebral spinal fluid with the prana exercise i told you I practice.
You can really feel this energy moving up the spine and into the skull, even making your head hurt a bit,
but feeling expanded overall.

But synchronistically, I do see a relation to sungazing and this thread. And of course the production of melatonin in darkness/
absence of light - increased dreaming/trance ability. I learned that from the same source that taught me the cobra breath and kundalini.

It's funny Horticult mentioned the marrow and femur when i did so in the silicate thread. Are we jumping through wormholes??
I got lost. :)

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 05:11 PM
Sorry - I thought I was posting under the practical section - didn't mean to put that here.
Haha, I was curious about that post! I replied, and then when I came back to the thread you had moved your post. So I deleted my reply to your message.


I haven't read it recently, as a whole. But I've followed somewhat.
Have you read about how I related it to the mysteries of the Foundation Stone, and the mystery behind the Dome of the Rock?


Upon it lying the stone from which the foundation was hewn…Who gives ear from which the waters flow (i.e. the foundation stone "from which flow all the waters of the world")


The Foundation Stone (Hebrew: אבן השתייה, translit. Even haShetiya) or Rock (Arabic: translit. Sakhrah, Hebrew: translit.: Sela) is the name of the rock at the heart of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. It is also known as the Pierced Stone because it has a small hole on the southeastern corner that enters a cavern beneath the rock, known as the Well of Souls. It is believed by some to have been the location of the Holy of Holies in the Temple, and is the holiest site in Judaism. (Midrash Tanhuma, chapter 10) Jewish tradition views it as the spiritual junction of heaven and Earth.


The Radbaz is convinced that “under the dome on the Temple Mount, which the Arabs call El-Sakhrah, without a doubt is the location of the Foundation Stone”.

Above the Temple Mount, under the Dome of the Rock (Golgotha, the Place of the Skull, whence Christ, the Spirit of God, was crucified to the accursed Cross of Matter), is the Foundation Stone, near a cavern, from whence all the Waters (CSF) of the World (le monde - People/World - from this we can associate it with lemon balm [le monde lamb], melissa, etc) flow. I believe that's how I related it.


It's funny Horticult mentioned the marrow and femur when i did so in the silicate thread. Are we jumping through wormholes??
I got lost. :)
Yeah, I was like "what the heck?" I moved his posts here, but he came here and was like "these posts mysteriously vanished from this thread - the VITRIOL thread" (can't remember exactly what he said). So I moved it back, and had a chuckle. I thought it belonged here, but I suppose he really wanted it there!

solomon levi
07-12-2011, 06:29 PM
I'm not sure what to make of that.
I just saw one translation - under the dome/cranium... mounting the temples... the place of the foundation stone....

which would be roughly the location of the pituitary gland, which is indeed the master gland that dictates to the remaining six
and produces their respective neurotransmitters and hormones (along with the hypothalamus). The cavern would correspond nicely with the ventricles.

http://www.paranormalpeopleonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/BrainAnatomy.gif

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 07:41 PM
I just saw one translation - under the dome/cranium... mounting the temples... the place of the foundation stone....

I mentioned somewhere in this thread the various associations of the word cranium, and how it hearkens to time/Saturn/Chronos.


Greek: κρανίο (el) (kranío) n
1. Skull

Ancient Greek κραίνω (krainō, “to rule or command”).

French chrono m (plural chronos)

1. (informal) timer
2. (informal) time (the length of time recorded on a timer)

Ancient Greek Κρόνος m (Krónos)

1. (Greek mythology) Cronus, Cronos
2. (astronomy) The planet Saturn

Greek Κρόνος m (Krónos)

1. (Greek mythology) Cronus, Cronos
2. (astronomy) The planet Saturn


χρόνος (genitive χρόνου) m, second declension; (khronos)

1. time (in the abstract sense)
2. specific time, period, term
3. lifetime
4. delay

χρόνος m (chrónos) (plural χρόνια and χρόνοι)

1. time
2. year

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 07:46 PM
What do you think of the allegory: "to cut off the head of the crow/raven?"











Kouroúna = Chrónos = Krónos

Corbeau = Cerveau

How do you think the word cranium was derived?

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/symbol_body2.jpg

Bumping this post for SL.

Edit: Bah, not all the good stuff showed (mainly Greek/French word definitions/associations.).

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 08:12 PM
There's even more to this than I've mentioned thus far. I recently discovered some new & very exciting things about how this work relates to the Tree of Life & alchemy. I haven't had time to write up an article yet. It'll take up a bit of time to document & carefully explain the new discoveries I've found.

Aleilius
07-12-2011, 08:33 PM
I will post something that might freak some of you out, and might not. What I'm about to show you I discovered back in April while working on some Vesica Pisces sacred geometry research. The brain is a very very very strange thing.

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/brain-alien-vesica-pisces-male-female_wm1.jpg

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/brain-alien-vesica-pisces_wm1.jpg

In both images you can clearly make out two different forms of the "alien." The left is always male, and the right is female. It's also possible to make out various other creatures. The image can be flipped upside-down, and new forms will pop out.

These brain images came from MRI scans that were not tampered with in any manner. The colors were inverted, and then submitted to the image manipulation technique I came up with. I was shocked by the results after the first manipulation I performed. It freaked me out pretty well.

Is this the ultimate inkblob test, or is there something else to it? Are these hyperdimensional holographic imprints?

If any of you want to test me on this, please go find a well detailed MRI image scan like the one's you see in the photos. I will show you that this isn't just a fluke, or related to the two MRI brain scans I used.

Here's an image I made to point out the different figures I've spotted:

http://vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/vesica_pisces_work.jpg

horticult
07-13-2011, 12:33 AM
bloody hell


2. ok then, we have that old/!/ oak, so what to do with it? how to extract/pump that water?
from anothers does not look like a proper way, nb philosophical!?

solomon levi
07-13-2011, 01:05 AM
The large picture looks like a bug or cockroach. The parasite or foreign installation, flyers,
are discussed in Castaneda's work. The dualism of our brains, which some say is a product of interference from "the gods",
creates a pendulum swing where other energy centers are vortexes.
There's something to be said for joining the left and right hemispheres - binaural beats - or meditation
on the midbrain and yoga/union of the conscious and subconscious.

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 03:24 AM
bloody hell


2. ok then, we have that old/!/ oak, so what to do with it? how to extract/pump that water?
from anothers does not look like a proper way, nb philosophical!?
Yeah, it's not a proper work to carry out in my opinion. The way to get to the CSF is via a lumbar puncture (lumber puncture - neat pun on the Oak symbolism). It's done with a lance (Lance of Longinus, Lance that slays the Dragon, etc). This is where we get into the Mars/Antimony connection a bit.

This work can't really be carried out externally anymore. The only way to obtain the same results is by internal alchemy.

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 04:11 AM
Oh, this is great!

Elohim (Aleph Lamed He Yod Mem) = Alhym

Possible vowel combinations: Alahym, Alehym, Alihym, Alohym, Aluhym, Alyhym.

Take into account that the actual Hebrew for Elohim is read from right to left: אלהים. Let's read it the way we read instead (e.g. from left to right). Let's use the first letter of each Hebrew character in אלהים (Mem Yod He Lamed Aleph). This is what we get: myhla.

Let's do the same for the other possible vowel combinations I listed above: myhala, myhela, myhila, myhola, myhyla.

Now associate the words I've just mentioned with these:


From Ancient Greek μυελός (myelos, “marrow”) + -in

myelin (uncountable)
1. (neuroanatomy) A white, fatty material, composed of lipids and lipoproteins, that surrounds the axons of nerves.


From Ancient Greek μυελός (muelos, “marrow”).

myelo-
1. Used in the formation of words relating to marrow or the spinal cord.


From Ancient Greek μέλας m., μέλαινα f., μέλαν n.; first/third declension; (melas)

1. dark
2. black
3. gloomy, murky
4. obscure, enigmatic


Greek μυαλά n. pl. (myalá)

1. plural form of μυαλό
2. the brain of animals when used as food.


Greek μυαλό n. (myaló), plural μυαλά

1. brain
2. brain (person providing intelligence)
3. mind
4. Head


French: milieu (fr) m
1. middle


Greek μήλο n. (mílo), plural μήλα

1. apple


Greek μέλι (genitive μέλιτος) n, third declension; (meli)

1. honey
2. anything sweet


Greek μῆλον (genitive μήλου) n, second declension; (mēlon)

1. sheep
2. goat
3. beast


Greek μῆλον (genitive μήλου) n, second declension; (mēlon)

1. apple
2. any fruit from a tree
3. (figuratively, plural) a woman's breast

Pretty strange isn't it?

Another name of interest is El Olam (malola).



El Olam.
God Everlasting; The Everlasting God; (Gen. 21:33, Ps. 90:1-3, 93:2; Isa. 26:4).
Olam means world, universe, everlasting time or space.

Olam means world, universe, time, and age.


Olam is an interesting word that is frequently used of a definite time, or of an indefinite time, in relations to God it refers to eternity

“Olam, which is rendered “everlasting”, contains in itself both the idea of a secret and also of time or of an age…. The word Olam has two senses, though the connexion between the two is obvious. Its first and original sense is to conceal or hide or something hidden. Hence it came to mean time hidden from man or time indefinite. In our version it is often translated forever, and in certain places it may mean time unmeasured for an age or for ages.”


What's the reverse of Olam? It's malo! We've come full circle.

Could be a coincidence? No? I don't think so. :D

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 04:24 PM
I'm really digging deep into the Hebrew connections surrounding this topic. They're numerous, and well preserved (for the most part).

Another name of God is El Sali.


El Sali.
God of my Strength; God my Rock (Ps. 42:9).
Sala means cliff or crag in Hebrew, used poetically like Tzur (Rock).

The God of the Rock, the God of the Stone, the God Rock, the God Stone, etc.


The sella turcica (literally Turkey Chair - indirectly translating to Turkish Chair) is a saddle-shaped depression in the sphenoid bone of the human skull.

The seat of the saddle is known as the hypophyseal fossa, which holds the pituitary gland.


The same meaning is provided by the Twelfth Night cake, to which the Greeks gave the same name as to the Moon, Selena: [*458-1] (selene); this word formed from the Greek roots [*458-2] (selas), brightness, and [*458-3] (ele), solar light, had been chosen by the initiates to show that the philosophical mercury drew its brightness from sulphur just as the moon receives its light from the sun.


he braid, in Greek [*457-5] (seira), is adopted to represent the vibrational energy, because, among the ancient Helllenic people, the sun was called [*457-6] (seir).

An analogous reason caused the name [*458-4] (seiren), siren to be attributed to the mythical monster resulting from the combination of a woman and a fish; serein, a contraction of [*458-5] (seir), sun and [*458-6] (mene), moon, also indicates the mercurial lunar matter combined with the sulphurous solar substance.


Old High German sēula, sēla, from Germanic. Cognate with Dutch ziel, English soul, Danish sjæl.

Seele f (genitive Seele, plural Seelen)

1. soul
2. mind, spirit
3. human being, soul
4. bore (of a gun)
5. swim bladder
6. core (of an electric cable)


Let's sail (sell, sal, seal) the sea/saddle (mare - both horse, and sea) of the soul (the soil/rock of sol) on a boat (ירה (sirá) boat)). We'll paddle (paddle = Estonian: mõla & Finnish: mela) or row (roi, roy, rho, rei, rose, ros) with our golden oar/oars (or, aur, auro, aura, Au-Ra, aurum, horus, hours, etc).



Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.

What is our Ra (our Ra is a phonetic pun), and what is the connection to Horus, hours, and horse?

Can you tell me the connection between the optic chiasm, and why Christ was crucified on the Cross?


the optic chiasm, which lies on top of the pituitary, enveloping the pituitary stalk


The optic chiasm or optic chiasma (Greek χίασμα, "crossing", from the Greek χιαζω 'to mark with an X', after the Greek letter 'Χ', chi) is the part of the brain where the optic nerves (CN II) partially cross. The optic chiasm is located at the bottom of the brain immediately below the hypothalamus.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/1543%2CVisalius%27OpticChiasma.jpg

Do you see? The optic chiasm (chiasm, chrism, Ancient Greek χρῖσμα (khrisma, “anointing”, “unction”), from χριειν ‘anoint’ - All hearkens to Christ/Khristos/χριστός as the anointed one) is tied into this mystery too. Isn't it strange that the word 'see' sounds like "sea."

So many interweaving connections, but I think I'm nearing the end of the puzzle.

Awani
07-13-2011, 04:40 PM
...and horse?

We talked about that a while back (in regards to interweaving): http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?6-Seven (scroll down to the horse bit).

:cool:

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 04:53 PM
We talked about that a while back (in regards to interweaving): http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?6-Seven (scroll down to the horse bit).

:cool:

Yeah, it was more of a rhetorical question I suppose.

Isn't the Word also spoken? What happens when you lose your voice? You get hoarse. Transport of the dead to the grave is done withe a black hearse.

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 05:12 PM
"Weave the circle round him thrice
And close your eyes with holy dread;
For he on honey-dew hath fed.
And drunk the milk of Paradise."


1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

58. Jesus said, "Congratulations to the person who has toiled and has found life."

70. Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."

109. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a person who had a treasure hidden in his field but did not know it. And [when] he died he left it to his [son]. The son [did] not know about it either. He took over the field and sold it. The buyer went plowing, [discovered] the treasure, and began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."


1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Psalm 78:16 he brought streams out of a rocky crag and made water flow down like rivers.

John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

John 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

John 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

With this, I've done what I set out to do from the very beginning.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rfm82BMxsO4/TVqh5kn_vII/AAAAAAAAR50/NTzkdL0wjrQ/s1600/bodhi-tree-samadhi.jpg

solomon levi
07-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the labors. Nice work.
Not many people do the cabala and kabbalah and gematria and hebrew stuff.
Just wanted you to know your sharing is not wasted. I speak those languages too. :)

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 05:33 PM
Who shall attend the Feast of the Lamb?


64. Jesus said, "A person was receiving guests. When he had prepared the dinner, he sent his slave to invite the guests.

The slave went to the first and said to that one, 'My master invites you.' That one said, 'Some merchants owe me money; they are coming to me tonight. I have to go and give them instructions. Please excuse me from dinner.'

The slave went to another and said to that one, 'My master has invited you.' That one said to the slave, 'I have bought a house, and I have been called away for a day. I shall have no time.'

The slave went to another and said to that one, 'My master invites you.' That one said to the slave, 'My friend is to be married, and I am to arrange the banquet. I shall not be able to come. Please excuse me from dinner.'

The slave went to another and said to that one, 'My master invites you.' That one said to the slave, 'I have bought an estate, and I am going to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. Please excuse me.'

The slave returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you invited to dinner have asked to be excused.' The master said to his slave, 'Go out on the streets and bring back whomever you find to have dinner.'



Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Rev 22:17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

http://www.weightlosssurgerychannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Super-sized-Last-Supper.jpg

Aleilius
07-18-2011, 03:27 AM
When sleeping in a coffin the hands of Dracula are positioned in which manner? This is important, and I'll state why I think so when the correct answer is given!

Salazius
07-18-2011, 10:36 AM
Well, he is digesting the blood of the night :)
From another point of view it's because of the martian aspect of the Manipura Chakra located there.

Aleilius
07-18-2011, 01:55 PM
I see two different positions that's been shown in various films.

1. Hands crossed on chest.
2. Hands crossed on the stomach area.

The former is most often associated with vampires. Why is this important? Doesn't it sort of remind you of these?

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/garuda_mudra1.jpg
http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/garuda_mudra2.jpg
http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/garuda_mudra3.jpg

This is called the Garuda mudra. This mudra possesses a number of very interesting rejuvenating effects on the body. Some also recommend it for opening the Vishuddha chakra (the Amrita 'flows' into the Vishuddha where it is purified).

I'm also drawn to the interesting fact that legendary vampires are said to be very cold, and without a noticeable heartbeat.


Now something important happens, as the text reveals: "The two nadis die off." In other words, the higher the prana rises in the sushumna, the less remains in the two nadis. In this third stage of training, the sushumna is not yet completely filled with the stream of prana, and thus the nadis are not completely empty, but some day this will happen. When it docs, the yogi gives the impression of being dead. The body becomes cold and lifeless. Only the crown of the head (the upper end of the sushumna) is warm. Life and consciousness arecontained solely in the sushumna, where life really originates. It is withdrawn from world and body. The yogi has become pure spirit--until he eventually exhales slowly and returns to his former state.

Can he really do that, exhale while physically in the state of death? We recall the second exercise with jalandhara bandha (Part Two, 68) where this state of consciousness was being trained. And now we understand the significance of that jalan-dhara variation, for here for the first time we encounter this strange state of "new consciousness."

This isn't the exact same thing, but an interesting notion can be drawn from it.

solomon levi
07-19-2011, 07:17 PM
Reminds me of this:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Skull-And-Bones1833-1985.gif

Which to my contemplations of late means, among other things, two parts femur
to one part skull.

Aleilius
07-19-2011, 11:53 PM
In line with your skull thought I found this earlier. It's drawn by Da Vinci).

This is a neat one:

http://scribbledigit.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/leonardo-da-vinci-anatomy-9.jpg

What do you think is located at the center of that intersection mark (Marcasite - X marks the spot where treasure is found)?

solomon levi
07-21-2011, 12:04 AM
X is also the alchemical symbol for talc.
Reminds me - I'll mention this in the vitriol/silicate thread...

solomon levi
07-22-2011, 07:11 PM
Can you explain me then, how this substance which is nothing other than a coagulation of the Spiritus Mundi (as you say), can sustain all living beings and engender all the creatures of the subterranean kingdom and at the same time it can not to be found no where on the surface of the earth or below it?

I am not sure who's ideas are laughable here...

It is found all over the earth - Just not in its pure state. Antimony = "not alone".
One really can understand this without any mysticism. Study volcanoes.
Study my thread on silicates. The earths mantle is made of peridotite.
Look how it mixes with everything as it is pushed out to the surface/crust by a central heat/sun.

Quoth Archibald Cockren:
"That all things proceed from One Thing by the Will of the One Being, that is, that all Manifestation proceeds from one, is the axiom that lies at the root of the theory of all alchemical science. The Hermetic Tract expressed it thus: 'As all things were produced from One by the Mediation of One, so all things are produced from this One Thing by adaptation,' or, in other words, the One in Manifestation has become many. From this One, this Seed, as it were, which the alchemist has called the Alkahest, have proceeded three, Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt, and again from these three have proceeded the many.

Now we must remember that these terms are used by the alchemist very much as the modern chemist uses his terms, which when all is said, convey about as much or as little to the lay mind as do those of the alchemist. The alchemist's Mercury, therefore, must not be confused with the metallic mercury which it resembles neither in texture nor appearance, neither must the Sulphur necessarily possess the qualities of sulphur as we know it, but to a student of alchemy these two substances, together with their salt, convey the idea of the Spirit, the Soul, and the Body. As Paracelsus said: "It is not, however, the common Mercury and the common Sulphur which are the matter of metals, but the Mercury and the Sulphur of the Philosophers are incorporated and inborn in perfect metals and in the forms of them."


The Philosophers say things like, "'Good Jupiter (Tin) possesses almost the middle or mean place between metals, it being not too hot, nor too cold, nor too warm, nor too moist, it hath no excess of Mercury, nor of Salt, and it hath the least of Sulphur in it...." - Basil Valentine

A geologist says things like "Fluids moving in the hydrothermal system along the Stony Creek Fault, about 1 million years ago, included gold-depositing, mercury-depositing, and "barren" water that deposited neither gold nor mercury. These fluids may have been from different sources, or the mercury-depositing and "barren" waters may have been diluted and cooler forms of the gold-depositing waters. In either case, it is agreed that much of the gold-depositing water was Cretaceous seawater trapped in the Great Valley sediments. These waters are isotopically heavy and contain high concentrations of petroleum, carbon dioxide, gold, mercury, antimony, and arsenic.
The hydrothermal waters deposited gold in the veins of opal, chalcedony, and quartz that were created during the silica-carbonate serpentine alteration process. The highest concentrations of gold typically occurred in amber-colored (petroleum-bearing) opal veins, sometimes occurring as very fine, dendritic (branching) veins of gold. Most of the gold occurred as microscopic grains, and were much less spectacular than the coarse-grained gold that was mined from quartz veins in the Sierra Nevada foothills."

So from the mineral, all plants are sustained, from plants all animals are sustained, humans are sustained...

Aleilius
07-26-2011, 11:58 AM
Who shall attend the Feast of the Lamb?

http://www.weightlosssurgerychannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Super-sized-Last-Supper.jpg

First, I wish to draw your attention to this post (#200 in this thread): http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2123-Alchemists-sure-are-pale!&p=15266#post15266

Next, I wish to cast light on this: http://www.thechristadelphians.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=663


The word “mello” (Greek Strong’s # 3195) is used 110 times in the New Testament, variously translated in the King James Version as “shall”, “should”, “would”, “to come”, “will”, “things to come” etc. The word means “about to” so where it is translated “shall” a better rendering would be “is about to”.

“Mello” is used in several places that describe the return of Christ and things normally associated with it. For example (note in these examples taken from the KJV I have substituted “about to” for every occurrence of “mello” to show the force of the argument):

Matthew 12:32 – “neither in this world, neither in the world about to come”.
Matthew 16:27 – “for the son of Man is about to come in the glory of his father”.
Matthew 24:6 – “and ye are about to hear of wars”.
Mark 13:4 – “when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign when all these things are about to be fulfilled?”
Luke 21:7 – “and what sign will there be when these things are about to come to pass?”
Luke 21:36 – “that are about to come to pass”.
Acts 17:31 – “in the which he is about to judge the world”.
Acts 24:15 – “that there is about to be a resurrection”.
Acts 24:25 – “and judgment about to come”.
Romans 8:18 – “the glory which is about to be revealed in us”.
Ephesians 1:21 – “not only in this world, but also in that which is about to come”.
I Timothy 4:8 – “that life that now is, and that which is about to come”.
I Timothy 6:19 – “the time about to come”.
II Timothy 4:1 – “who is about to judge the quick and the dead”.
Hebrews 2:5 – “put in subjection the world about to come”.
Hebrews 6:5 – “the powers of the world about to come”.
I Peter 5:1 – “that glory which is about to be revealed”.
Revelation 1:19 – “the things which are about to be hereafter”.

In this sample of verses we learn that the following things are about to happen in the day of Christ and the apostles:

A new age.
Second coming of Christ.
Judgment on the world.
The Resurrection.
Glorification of the saints.
Events in Revelation.

There's more that I've just now been able to uncover, but I need to sleep first. This other connection I've had on my mind for a while, but haven't been able to tie it together neatly with everything else I've mentioned in this thread until now!

Aleilius
08-02-2011, 12:56 PM
Okay, I've been putting this post off long enough. I don't know how to effectively present it to you all, but I will try.

Ever since I found the whale pineal gland connection I've been trying to connect it to Herman Melville's work 'Moby Dick.' I haven't been able to solidly connect it because I've yet to take the time to read that monster work of his, but I've come across something else.

Herman = Mount Hermon
Mel-Ville = Place of Honey, Town of Honey, City of Honey


Mount Hermon (Arabic: جبل الشيخ‎, Jabal el-Shaykh, "Mountain of the Chief"; Hebrew: הר חרמון‎, Har Hermon, "Mount Hermon")

Mount Hermon is also called the "snowy mountain," the "gray-haired mountain," and the "mountain of snow." It is also called "the eyes of the nation" in Israel ...

... where it was called Saria by Sumerians ...

In the Book of Enoch, Mount Hermon is the place where the Grigori ("Watcher") class of fallen angels descended to Earth. They swore upon the mountain that they would take wives among the daughters of men and return (Enoch 6). The mountain or summit is referred to as Saphon in Ugaritic texts where the palace of Baal is located in a myth about Attar.

Mount Hermon was called Senir by the Amorites and Sirion by the Sidonians, names which may signify a "coat of mail" (Aleilius: mail? Really? Phonetic allegory I bet!) or "armor".

The high places of Mount Hermon were used by the Canaanites in Canaanite mythological rituals (Aleilius: Canaan? Ar-canaan? Arcanum? ). They referred to the mountain as Mount Ba'al-Hermon. It is also called Mount Sion or Mount Siyon.

... Jesus revealed to them his purpose to build his Church and to go to Jerusalem to die and be resurrected. Mount Hermon is a possible site of the Transfiguration, where Jesus, according to the New Testament, took three of his disciples, Peter, James, and John, up on a high mountain for prayer. Jesus is reported to have became radiantly white and conversed with Moses and Elijah, who had appeared beside him.


The above should automatically make your head spin. :eek:

Notice the connections between the names of the mountain, and now try to tie it to LOTR lore (Sauron). The place where the fallen angels descended to earth? Now consider that in ancient Greek the word for black/dark is μέλας (melas). The Ancient Greek μέλας is cognate with Sanskrit मल (mála, “dirt, filth, dust”).

:eek:

http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/6/6a/Mordor.png

Here's more:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/13/128763660793066561.jpg

Look at the shape!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c0/Eyeofsauron.jpg/180px-Eyeofsauron.jpg

http://www.adonim.com/chakras/Chakra6.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Chakra06.gif

The reason it's shaped like that is because that's exactly what you see (as I have seen): two petals, and a center circle. The center circle is animated with electric-like purple lightning streams expanding from the center.

Why are you supposed to meditate on a black dot when doing Ajna chakra work? Why do you see a black dot on whatever you're looking at when doing meditation work on the Ajna chakra, and rapidly opening/closing the eyes?

Thus, to finish it off (with the intention of making your head explode):


But in the first we came to a mighty throne of gray granite, shaped like the sweetest pussy cat you ever saw, and set up on a desolate heath. It was midnight, and the Devil came down and sat in the midst; but my Fairy Prince whispered: "Hush! It is a great secret, but his name is Yeheswah, and he is the Saviour of the World." And that was very funny, because the girl next me thought it was Jesus Christ, till another Fairy Prince (my Prince's brother) whispered as he kissed her: "Hush, tell nobody ever, that is Satan, and he is the Saviour of the World."

We were a very great company, and I can't tell you of all the strange things we did and said, or of the song we sang as we danced face outwards in a great circle ever closing in on the Devil on the throne. But whenever I saw a toad or a bat, or some horrid insect, my Fairy Prince always whispered: "It is the Saviour of the World," and I saw that it was so.

I have more, but it will have to wait.

Awani
08-02-2011, 02:41 PM
Ever since I found the whale pineal gland connection I've been trying to connect it to Herman Melville's work 'Moby Dick.' I haven't been able to solidly connect it because I've yet to take the time to read that monster work of his, but I've come across something else.

Once you get into it it is really a great book. It was years ago since I read it so I can't recall a connection I am afraid. But sit down and plow through it...

:cool:

Albion
08-03-2011, 12:55 AM
Ever since I found the whale pineal gland connection I've been trying to connect it to Herman Melville's work 'Moby Dick.' I haven't been able to solidly connect it because I've yet to take the time to read that monster work of his, but I've come across something else.

Aleilius, not to detract from your general line of pursuit but, to me, the meaning and glory of Moby Dick is entered into when one surrenders to the text, identifies with the protagonist, and allows the author to quasi-shamanically lead you into the sort of existential death that Ishmael goes through. There may or may not be a God, and you may or may not believe there is a God. But no one can go through Moby Dick without, at least momentarily, questioning at least some of their most cherished presuppositions. The language, momentum, and trajectory are that powerful. [Reminds me of another book, that has been compared to Moby Dick, entitled “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”].

To read Moby Dick looking for hidden esoteric clues with the mind is to miss the in-your-face intent of the author to viscerally draw you into a wonderful, linguistically & conceptually rich, melt-down - and is, in my opinion, a manner of approach similar to that of the Marxist-Leninist literary critic who reads/deconstructs novels in search of evidence of class-struggle or the Feminist litrary critic who extracts evidence of gender-politics in every novel she reads. Let the author’s work function naturally on it’s own terms (is my advice).

If you do read it, try to find a version with a nice, elegant font and wood-cut illustrations [I’m partial to the Rockwell Kent version] to help draw in the imagination.

http://clubs.plattsburgh.edu/museum/mdimg/md_321.jpg ....................... http://clubs.plattsburgh.edu/museum/mdimg/md_523.jpg

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 01:19 AM
To read Moby Dick looking for hidden esoteric clues with the mind is to miss
To read it without looking for hidden esoteric clues is to miss ....

We're all characters in a higher game. It doesn't matter if Melville decided to hide clues in his work, or not. They are there if you look for them, and that's part of the amazing thing about this illusory reality. You get in what you put out, and nothing more. If you never put out anything, never search, then that's exactly what you receive - only the surface representation.

Yeah, that's schizophrenic thinking, but you'd be quite surprised at what little difference there is between the Master Mage, and the Master Crazy in the Asylum down the road. They're both good friends with the Trump/Joker.

True Initiate
08-03-2011, 01:39 AM
Yeah, that's schizophrenic thinking, but you'd be quite surprised at what little difference there is between the Master Mage, and the Master Crazy in the Asylum down the road. They're both good friends with the Trump/Joker.

Reaching enlightenment

Nasreddin was walking in the bazaar with a large group of followers. Whatever Nasreddin did, his followers immediately copied. Every few steps Nasreddin would stop and shake his hands in the air, touch his feet and jump up yelling "Hu Hu Hu!". So his followers would also stop and do exactly the same thing.
One of the merchants, who knew Nasreddin, quietly asked him: "What are you doing my old friend? Why are these people imitating you?"
"I have become a Sufi Sheikh," replied Nasreddin. "These are my Murids (spiritual seekers); I am helping them reach enlightenment!"
"How do you know when they reach enlightenment?"
"That’s the easy part! Every morning I count them. The ones who have left – have reached enlightenment!"

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 02:25 AM
"That’s the easy part! Every morning I count them. The ones who have left – have reached enlightenment!"

That made me laugh! I needed it. :D

I dare say, perhaps to the laughter of others, that enlightenment is not the final step. It's an unleashing of all potential, a cleaning of the mirror, but what are you to do with this potential, and what happens when you're able to see clearly?

What will you do?

Be careful what you seek. I cannot stress this enough. What is the prerequisite to enlightenment?

I believe this should be good material for a new thread. I'll merge it off a bit later tonight.

EDIT: Well, I can't merge it off into another thread because deviadah has removed those privileges from what I can see. Sigh..

True Initiate
08-03-2011, 04:22 AM
What is the prerequisite to enlightenment?


This is a very deep question.

On the entrance gate of Oracle of Delphi shrine were written the following words: Know thy self... and on the other side of the Gate was written ...and you will know God.

In the Hebrew tradition which served as a model for the Western mystery tradition The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Although i must confess that i prefer Sufis way of thinking. The difference between them is that the Hebrew requires dogmatic foundation expressed through the Hebrew letters and Numbers on the other hand Sufis way of thinking is based on freedom and humour.

It is harder for me to explain than for you to understand.

This story, for example reminds me of Fulcanelli giving clues about his First Matter in his books.

Someone asked Nasrudin to guess what he had in his hand.
“Give me a clue,” said the Mulla.
“I’ll give you several,” said the wag. “It is shaped like an egg, egg-sized, looks, tastes and smells like an egg. Inside it is yellow and white. It is liquid within before you cook it, coalesces with heat. It was, moreover, laid by a hen…”
“I know!” interrupted the Mulla. “It is some sort of cake.”

Teacher of Compassion

One day Nasrudin saw a strange-looking building at whose door a
contemplative Yogi sat. Nasrudin decided that he would learn
something from this impressive figure, and started a conversation
by asking him who and what he was.

"I am a Yogi," said the other, "and I spend my time in trying to
attain harmony with all living things."

"That is interesting," said Nasrudin, "because a fish once saved
my life."
The Yogi begged him to join him, saying that in a lifetime
devoted to trying to harmonize himself with the animal creation, he
had never been so close to such communion as the Mulla had been.

When they had been contemplating for some days, the Yogi begged
the Mulla to tell him more of his wonderful experience with the
fish, "now that we know one another better."

"Now that I know you better," said Nasrudin, "I doubt whether you
would profit by what I have to tell."

But the Yogi insisted. "Very well," said Nasrudin. "The fish
saved my life all right. I was starving at the time, and it
sufficed me for three days."

Ascension

A couple of priests who were interested in the Islamic studies were questioning Nasreddin Hodja about Prophet Mohammed's feats.
`Hodja effendi, tell us, how did your prophet ascend to Heaven?'
`Actually, it was very easy,' the Hodja replied, `he simply used the ladder that was built earlier for your prophet's ascent.'

True Initiate
08-03-2011, 04:32 AM
I cann't stop myself to share this videos with you. Here is OSHO a great spiritual master who states that he don't need any miracle to enlighten the people like Jesus or Krishna had done.

OSHO on Miracles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At6yK9NUnv0&feature=related

OSHO: Don't Use this Planet Like a Waiting Room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqCLR5_oNtE&feature=relmfu

This few stories and videos are reflecting a great difference between Western prison-like Dogmas and Eastern freedom of thought

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 04:58 AM
I enjoyed those videos, but every time I see that watch he has on I twitch. That watch is probably worth a small fortune (especially the one in the second video you posted).

The prerequisite to enlightenment is the worst sorrow & pain you can possibly imagine. Enlightenment is the snapping/breaking of the ...

And then you laugh. The end.

True Initiate
08-03-2011, 05:41 AM
I enjoyed those videos, but every time I see that watch he has on I twitch. That watch is probably worth a small fortune (especially the one in the second video you posted).
.

In America OSHO recruited a small Army of followers and was able to buy 92 luxury limousines. He was mocked because of this even from his followers but he answered to them "You are just jealous". All this means nothing is just a way of life.

I have an idea: why don't you write a instruction book about your spiritual exercises? It will be much easier for you and us all gathering tid bits here and there....

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 06:05 AM
... his followers but he answered to them "You are just jealous". All this means nothing is just a way of life.
Quite true, jealousy exists, but I know that money could've been used for better purposes instead of luxury. Help the poor! Don't feed the rich?

You want enlightenment? Sell your watch, everything you have, and give it away to those that have a need for such things.

You want to see happiness first-hand? Walk up to a starving child, and give them food, money, or whatever they require. What of those that thirst? Should they not be given water?

Can you hear the cries of the tormented souls out there? I can, and it's killing me. Little men sit around in their temples of gold chanting until their death. How does this help the world? Accursed men sit in their skyscrapers thinking only of themselves, but how does this help the world?

Do you not know that you are also me, and we are one? Everything you feel, I feel, and we all feel the same. Don't think differently. Treat others the way you want to be treated, etc. When in need who will save you? Can you save yourself? How can you help the people of the world? How can you soothe their cries? Be there for them, and stand up for your fellow man.

You cannot get around this burden. What happens on the day of reckoning when all souls merge into one? There will be a great clash. Souls lashing out at other souls. Pain multiplied times infinity. What will quench this raging inferno? There is one thing: compassion. Be nice to each other damn it. It's not so damn difficult is it? Oh, and don't judge! Don't ever ever ever judge.

If nobody ever seeks to do good, then nothing good will ever happen, and it must, absolutely MUST, start with YOU. If you don't do it, nobody will, and thus we are at the status quo.

Burn this question in your soul: "How can I help the world?"

Sorry, my thoughts are scattered at the moment.


I have an idea: why don't you write a instruction book about your spiritual exercises? It will be much easier for you and us all gathering tid bits here and there....
I don't even understand myself enough to write this book, or rather, it is not the correct time, and it may never be.

Albion
08-03-2011, 11:54 AM
One of the themes running through Moby Dick is that of The Obsessive [Captain Ahab] who is restlessly, recklessly driven toward his goal:

The Obsessive (From “Mastery” by George Leonard)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57603855/Mastery-by-George-Leonard

http://blog.barmethod.com/Portals/41665/images/Mastery%20curve%20cropped-1-resized-600.jpg

http://blog.barmethod.com/Portals/41665/images/Obsessive%20curve%20cropped-1-resized-600.jpg

“The Obsessive is a bottom-line type of person, not one to settle for second best. He or she knows results are what count, and it doesn't matter how you get them, just so you get them fast. In fact, he wants to get the stroke just right during the very first lesson. He stays after class talking to the instructor. He asks what books and tapes he can buy to help him make progress faster. (He leans toward the listener when he talks. His energy is up front when he walks.)

The Obsessive starts out by making robust progress. His first spurt is just what he expected. But when he inevitably regresses and finds himself on a plateau, he simply won't accept it. He redoubles his effort. He pushes himself mercilessly. He refuses to accept his boss's and colleagues' counsel of moderation.

He works all night at the office, he's tempted to take shortcuts for the sake of quick results. American corporate managers by and large have joined the cult of the bottom line; their profile is often that of the Obsessive. They strive mightily to keep the profit curve angled upward, even if that means sacrificing research and development, long-term planning, patient product development, and plant investment.

In relationships, the Obsessive lives for the upward surge, the swelling background music, the trip to the stars. He's not like the Dabbler. When ardor cools, he doesn't look elsewhere. He tries to keep the starship going by every means at his command: extravagant gifts, erotic escalation, melodramatic rendezvous. He doesn't understand the necessity for periods of development on the plateau. The relationship becomes a rollercoaster ride, with stormy separations and passionate reconciliations. The inevitable breakup involves a great deal of pain for both partners, with very little in the way of learning or self-development to show for it.

Somehow, in whatever he is doing, the Obsessive manages for a while to keep making brief spurts of upward progress, followed by sharp declines—a jagged ride toward a sure fall. When the fall occurs, the Obsessive is likely to get hurt. And so are friends, colleagues, stockholders, and lovers.”

http://clubs.plattsburgh.edu/museum/mdimg/md_232.jpg

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 12:30 PM
Yeah, I read a synopsis of it a while back.

Ahab wanted to kill Moby out of some notion of revenge for taking his leg. He proceeded at all costs, and it didn't matter how, or what it took. He knew he was on a death mission, and the expenditure didn't matter.

Now tell me, how does this apply to the current thread? Is wanting to kill another at all costs the same as wanting to help/save another at all costs? What is the difference? Try to apply it to the thread at the very least. We have mercy & severity, and both are before the abyss.

You do know that you, yes you, the reader, must die sometime, and how will you spend your time here living in your aging/decaying body? You cannot simply turn away from it. Ahab knew his fate, and picked it for a reason. Call it madness, or what-not. Whatever reason he had is not for you to know, or to uncover. You may assume all you want, but that does not make it true.

We all have our own reasons for why we walk the path we do, and that's not for any other to judge, or to try & uncover.

So what if he was obsessive? Mind your own business, and don't get in his way. :eek:

I will one up your Ahab image, and give you the King of Thorns.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7c8pizPztkQ/TCvjqiJy2kI/AAAAAAAAAIg/UlCq7Upwjbo/s1600/Pic_24.jpg

Tell him the same thing. Go on. Do it. Even if he does not exist.

If any of you are too afraid to do anything for fear of failure, or getting hurt, then my advice to you is thus: sit back, shut up, and watch while the main characters play the game.

Verily, I tell you this, for those that wish to play:


Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

TARO:INRI
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Albion
08-03-2011, 01:50 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Michelangelo_Caravaggio_065.jpg/250px-Michelangelo_Caravaggio_065.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 01:59 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Michelangelo_Caravaggio_065.jpg/250px-Michelangelo_Caravaggio_065.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Have a mirror my friend?

You have not answered any of my questions, and you like to dodge them when I specifically address them to you (this happens often, I've noticed this in many threads in which I've asked you questions).

I don't care about my faults, or your faults. Nobody is perfect. I will tell you flat out, right now, I am riddled with faults, so much that I am falling apart, but that's for me to worry about, and not you. I know very well of my faults, and I know very well why they exist. I know very well why I have taken on everything that is unwholesome. Now, since that's out of the way, we can get to the real meat!

What you should worry about is what I specifically address to you: I want answers to questions, and that's all. Nothing more, and nothing less. Go on, answer them. Please, by all means. Until then, how about that projection?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection


Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes."

... or should I?

True Initiate
08-03-2011, 02:40 PM
I don't even understand myself enough to write this book, or rather, it is not the correct time, and it may never be.

That's the problem you see... it's not a coherent system.

Your method of working reminds me of a musician who doesn't know to read notes because he wasn't schooled properly (initiated) but he tries desperately to play in a orchester. Although with such method of working is possible to achieve desired goal it will take much longer because one needs to figure out everything on his own from the very beginning and taking great risk to fall into a spiritual ditch.

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 02:44 PM
That's the problem you see... it's not a coherent system.

Your method of working reminds me of a musician who doesn't know to read notes because he wasn't schooled properly (initiated) but he tries desperately to play in a orchester. Although with such method of working is possible to achieve desired goal it will take much longer because one needs to figure out everything on his own from the very beginning and taking great risk to fall into a spiritual ditch.

Is that so? It is Art, is it not?

If you received instruction, does that make it easier? Eh? Burn your books, and whiten your laton!

I don't mind my non-coherent system right now, if that's what you want to call it, but apparently others do mind it. If that's so, then look the other way, and let it be. Don't make personal attacks, or poke fun at the crippled guy. He knows very well he's crippled, and pointing out the flaws does nothing to improve the situation.

Both of you, and any other that would seek to carry this out, should mind these words well.


An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and by redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or "projecting," those same faults onto another person or object.

Please, for the love of God, stop making this about me, and REPLY to the ACTUAL CONTENT that I've presented to all of you in this thread. That's all I want, please, and nothing more! This is silly.

P.S. I don't mind the 'risk.' In fact, it proves that I am still living if I feel my blood pumping.

Aleilius
08-03-2011, 05:15 PM
I had something very strange happen to me just a few moments ago! This has never happened before.

I was eating, alone, like always, minding my own business, trying to keep my body running, with an intense aura of sorrow & a frown on my face, when an old couple that had been sitting in front came up and said "Have a nice lunch!" as they were leaving.

You have no idea how much this impacted me. It's little things like this...

Andro
01-27-2012, 06:14 PM
http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/zombies.jpg

To lighten things up a little... The question is who has the stronger tinging power, the better ingress:

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/ChuckZombie.jpg

:cool:

Pleroma
03-27-2013, 08:57 PM
I ingested some drops (you should not dream, we collect Spiritus Mundi under pure and fixed shape just in any small quantities). We feel a very important energy contribution. A sensation of electric shocks in all the body. And a perception of more vast consciousness. It allows to be in the Natural State of Mind, for those who know.

I discovered this technique by myself, during a particular meditation (non-dual path). But certain secret societies (the AMORC, the GD, the Aurum Solis, the OTO, the FARC, the Freemasonry etc. have no this knowledge) also have to possess this technique if they really are true Hermetic secret societies. Simply, it was never written and is passed on that in the oral because it implies an important spiritual turnover.

are there any hermetic societies that posses that technique? Like real rociscrucians?
i read edward waites book on the history of rosicrucians, but where to actually meet one? wonder if its even possible.
rosicrucians must be ancient.

pierre
05-21-2015, 04:59 PM
Hi True Puffer

We should not confuse fixed Spiritus Mundi and Alkaest.

When Spiritus Mundi is got and fixed without any other contact that the glass (the purest material set apart the Philosopher's stone as said so exactly Fulcanelli), it is pure. It takes then the shape of a water. This water is very particular because " it does not wet hands ". It does not mean that it is under solid or crystalline shape. It wants in fact to say that it does not remain "stuck" on the skin as can make it the classic water. It has a fat texture and stays under the shape of drops on the skin. It is enough to move the hand so that drops fall without leaving any track on the skin. We can moreover observe that if we try to mix this liquid Spiritus Mundi with some classic water, both do not mix. We do not see different phases, but when we make the both flow, the water classic grave, but Spiritus Mundi stays under the shape of drops on glass walls. Furthermore, it does not affect the skin as an acid or a base. On the other hand, it penetrates radically into metals, transforms them. This Spiritus Mundi does not act as an acid or a base. It is not a classic dissolution. In fact, Spiritus Mundi transforms the metal into its own nature, without violence.

The alkaest, as for it, must not be touched or ingested. Simply because Alkaest is the result obtained by the contact between the magnet of the wise and Spiritus Mundi. In these conditions, Spiritus Mundi is not more "pure" because it contacted a particular material which can get it and contain it. The alkaest acts then as an acid or a base (according to the material used as magnet), but also as pure Spiritus Mundi. The alkaest opens the metal and breathes it the life. It makes a reincrudation.

We could say that the alkaest is a menstrum into which Spiritus Mundi was locked.

The difficulty, when we read the texts of alchemy, is to make well the distinction between what concerns the spontaneous appearance of pure Spiritus Mundi and the appearance of the alkaest (or common mercury) outside the magnet of the wise put in touch with Spiritus Mundi.
In the first case, the obtained water is absorbable. In the second case, it is dangerous for the health (it is a real poison).

I want also to underline the fact that the alchemical laws, the theurgical laws and the astrological laws are the same, simply they are applied to different levels. The alchemy on the physical plan, the astrology on the astral plan and the magic on the mental plan. It is for it that certain alchemical concepts (in the theory in any case) look like strongly in the magic or theurgical concepts. They are only the same laws applied to different plans.

Fantastic explanation!
My respect and admiration for you, G. L.
Thank you very much for these words!