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Aleilius
07-01-2011, 07:39 AM
Hi all,

Please excuse my lack of recent activity.

I recently had some health issues a few days ago, and had to be transported to the ER by ambulance. It is probably the scariest thing I'd ever experienced at this point. I was very close to knocking on Heaven's Door. I will tell you all what happened.

I am still here, and moderately okay. I'm not sure what happened, but I suppose I might've been related to the purification processes/practices that were required when I started delving into the AMRITA secretion a few months ago (I disregarded this). So many free-radicals are generated during the kundalini/AMRITA work, and I completely underestimated the effect of them. Though, I'm sure they weren't in PERFECT condition since I do tend to work with various volatile solvents, toxic reagents, heavy metals, etc in my alchemical pursuits. My liver & kidney's were overworking themselves, and after so much work they were about 85% close to failing (they were in the process of doing so during this episode).

Once the liver & kidney's were no longer able to do any more work my body stopped processing food, my stomach and gastrointestinal system began to 'shut-down' after the liver/kidney's were no longer able to deal with the load. Major bloating started to occur due to various fermentation processes because food was not being digested, but just sitting there without movement. I was not aware of any problems until the bloating started. I had NO idea about my kidney's or liver functionality (there was NO pain, or any other symptoms associated with this). Longer story short, I tried to wait it out for a while (I thought it was just some gas issues), but that was a no-no, and it only got progressively worse over the course of about 16+ hours. I had to be transported to the hospital via ambulance as I started "dry heave" violently during the final hour. Nothing came up of course, and no gas was being released. This was the body's last attempt at trying to release gasses built up in the stomach (otherwise the stomach could possibly burst). They had to stab me in the stomach with a huge needle once they arrived at my house to release the built up pressure. Still, throughout all this, there was no pain. They continue to ask me "are you in pain?" I tell them I'm not, but I don't think they believe me. I think they think I'm some kind of a mutant because they'd never seen anything like this.

I am doing better now. My liver/kidney functions are doing better, and have been regenerating themselves. The kidneys are regenerating faster than my liver at this moment, but I think that's simply because the liver is still under some moderate load (since it's really the only organ that's dedicated to dealing with neutralizing & releasing toxins). My gastrointestinal system is now back online for the most part, and is processing/digesting food once again.

I was just now able to get access to my laptop in order send this message, and to do some other updates. Please wish me well, and send positive energy my way! If you all could spare a bit for donations I would appreciate it greatly. I am uninsured, unemployed, and now completely debt-ridden for many many years (250k hospital bill at the least). Funds may be sent to admin@vitriolum.net by PayPal via donations. Get well cards may be sent to my personal address (please PM me for this).

Here's a look at my wristband (there's an IV there also):

http://www.vitriolum.net/images/aleilius/hospital_wristband.jpg

:eek:

Seth-Ra
07-01-2011, 12:45 PM
DUDE! O_O WTF?! Very sorry to hear that, but im very glad you are ok now and doing better.

Prayers and energy coming your way, so get well soon! :D




~Seth-Ra

Salazius
07-01-2011, 02:00 PM
I hope you will recover well, and quickly.

Take care !!

horticult
07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
I can recommend fasting + enema /urine/ or shankhaprakshalana.
After ?14-40 /max!/ days you will be much better.
After 3rd day there is no hunger and no problems, man is able to do as usual.
I can witness.

True Initiate
07-01-2011, 04:47 PM
This is terrible!
I am glad that you survived... for now.

The only way out of this debt-hole is to create a cheap particular and as quickly as possible.

Aleilius
07-01-2011, 06:27 PM
Hi all, thanks for the well wishes.

I've come to a realization, well actually, I've thought of this before, but now it hits home. What we search after in this accursed art will only hasten our already short lifespans. I now understand why many of our former brethren tended to die before they ever found their goal. We search after life, but only find death. Maybe this is not a universal trait that's shared amongst us. I don't deny that a handful of alchemists probably did reach their goal, but the vast majority perished in horrendous ways while seeking.

Perhaps it was me: the medicine is a great poison to those unworthy, or impure. Maybe I sought after the serpent of life with too much vigor, and did not have patience: the fire burnt my body.

Just very shaken up. Please learn from my mistakes so that you do not have to repeat them. The very thing I cherish the most is the very thing that I almost lost. Damn ironic how that works.


Halahala (Also called 'kalakuta')

During the Samudra Manthan by the gods and demons, one of the product emerged from the churning was a dangerous poison (Halahala). This terrified the gods and demons because the poison was so toxic that it might have destroyed all of creation. On the advice of Vishnu, the gods approached Shiva for help and protection. Out of compassion for living beings, Shiva swallowed the poison in an act of self-sacrifice. However, his consort Parvati who was looking on, terrified at the thought of his impending death, squeezed his throat to prevent the poison descending into his body. Thus the poison was stuck in Shiva's throat with nowhere to go, and it was so potent that it changed the color of Shiva's neck to blue. For this reason, he is also called Nilakanta (the blue-throated one; "neela" = "blue", "kantha" = "throat" in Sanskrit). When the heat from the poison had become unbearable Shiva is supposed to have used his trishul to dig for water forming the Gosaikunda lake.


Halāhala (Sanskrit हलाहल) is the name of a poison (as per Hindu mythology) created from the sea when Devas (Gods) and Asuras (Demons) churned the sea (see Samudra manthan ) in order to obtain Amrita, the nectar of immortality.

Fourteen different ratnas (gems) were recovered in this exercise mostly retained by Gods after Demons tried to cheat them. But before Amrita were recovered, Halāhala ("the most vicious and venomous poison of universe") was produced which started killing both sides.

Halahala is an allegory for what happens in this particular work I was carrying out. You don't even realize it's killing you before you're close to death.

Nibiru
07-01-2011, 08:51 PM
Aleilius, I'm glad you're ok! Be careful man, maybe there are less toxic paths?? The quote you posted about Shiva taking the poison up and his throat turning blue reminds me of how the thyroid takes in toxins after radiation therapy for cancer. Perhaps Halahala is radiation or mercury poisoning..

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 11:06 AM
Hi all, thanks for the well wishes.

I've come to a realization, well actually, I've thought of this before, but now it hits home. What we search after in this accursed art will only hasten our already short lifespans. I now understand why many of our former brethren tended to die before they ever found their goal. We search after life, but only find death. Maybe this is not a universal trait that's shared amongst us. I don't deny that a handful of alchemists probably did reach their goal, but the vast majority perished in horrendous ways while seeking.

Perhaps it was me: the medicine is a great poison to those unworthy, or impure. Maybe I sought after the serpent of life with too much vigor, and did not have patience: the fire burnt my body.


You have poisoned yourself because you didn't stop the outflow of poison that was passing through your right carotid artery through the Neck-grip. I have tried to warn you about the dangers of performing the Internal Path without those Hand-Grips but you didn't want to read Sebottendorf.
I believe there was also a curse that hit you because some manuscipts should remain unpublished and i was freaking out about all this just prior to your accident.

Ghislain
07-02-2011, 11:36 AM
Aleilius

Get well soon ...can't help thinking that if you were in the UK there would be no bill.

Ghislain

P.S. What does not kill you makes you stronger ;)

Albion
07-02-2011, 12:18 PM
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Aleilius
07-02-2011, 12:32 PM
You have poisoned yourself because you didn't stop the outflow of poison that was passing through your right carotid artery through the Neck-grip. I have tried to warn you about the dangers of performing the Internal Path without those Hand-Grips but you didn't want to read Sebottendorf.
I believe there was also a curse that hit you because some manuscipts should remain unpublished and i was freaking out about all this just prior to your accident.

Yeah, I had no idea about the dangers of this internal path. Honestly, no idea! I didn't read it because I'm so fucking bogged down with work. I appreciate you sharing it with me, but if you had mentioned this danger a bit more in detail I would have most definitely carried out the hand-grips properly, and read the book you sent. I need you to send it to me again. I don't have access to it right now since I'm on my laptop.

I need to speak to you in private about those hand-grips, because I cannot stop what has already started, and this will happen again if I do not learn them.

I'd also thought about a curse, or possibly that I'd been much too open about some things lately, and that the "Curse of the Philosophers" had struck me.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 12:34 PM
Aleilius

Get well soon ...can't help thinking that if you were in the UK there would be no bill.

Ghislain

P.S. What does not kill you makes you stronger ;)

Hi Ghislain, thank you for the well wishes. I wouldn't say stronger at this point since I still somewhat on the weak side, but it most definitely made me wise-up in a quick manner.

I've been thinking of this as a divine act of some sort. A smack on the wrist by the highers.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 12:37 PM
If any of you are carrying out the internal path be DAMN well sure you know what you're doing, you know the dangers, and you know how to alleviate the dangers. Otherwise I am a prime example of what WILL happen. This is not just a game of fancy, but it's dead serious (let me emphasize DEAD) .

I hope my stupidity will be a lesson to others on this matter. Your mind may be invincible, your soul may be eternal, but your body is NOT. It's the only one you have at the moment. Please take care of it.

I'm going to move this to the internal/spiritual alchemy section, and stick it.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 12:56 PM
When I first arrived to the ER they immediately performed various tests (bloodwork, urine, etc). They received the test results back, and were shocked. They asked me candidly: "What the hell have you been doing? You're 24, and your numbers are ALL over the charts. Your liver & kidneys are failing! We've never seen anything like this."

My white blood cell count was like 22,000 (no fever, no infections, etc - they were boggled by this).

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 01:05 PM
I have also not been sleeping hardly at all because of this work. I was only getting like 2-3 hours of sleep each night (if that). Sometimes I wouldn't sleep at all. I'd go 36+ hours before I finally took a rest. I felt sort of invincible at this point, but I didn't realize the dangers that were lurking inside.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VFxcAuMO2_0/TWFNkgTTF3I/AAAAAAAANEM/aS_sU6uZeBo/s1600/listeningpanel1.jpg

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 01:08 PM
During the last few days before this happened I'd begun to notice a strange smell, and taste in my mouth at all times. When I exhaled I could smell a sickly sweet scent. Also, my sweat was very odd.

I'd since learned this is due to my body trying to get rid of toxins via any means at its disposal (since my kidney's and liver were not doing their job anymore). They were continuing to build up.

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 01:25 PM
Yeah, I had no idea about the dangers of this internal path. Honestly, no idea! I didn't read it because I'm so fucking bogged down with work. I appreciate you sharing it with me, but if you had mentioned this danger a bit more in detail I would have most definitely carried out the hand-grips properly, and read the book you sent. I need you to send it to me again. I don't have access to it right now since I'm on my laptop.

I have sent you the book in a PM.
You must understand that i am no expert on the Internal Path for two good reasons:

1) I want to complete the External Path before i start the Internal one;
2) I am afraid of the Internal Path;



I need to speak to you in private about those hand-grips, because I cannot stop what has already started, and this will happen again if I do not learn them.
I'd also thought about a curse, or possibly that I'd been much too open about some things lately, and that the "Curse of the Philosophers" had struck me.

I have the same feeling for some months now. I believed the curse will strike me too but the difference is i was not interested in material advantage that those manuscripts have to offer but i just wanted to learn from them.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 01:25 PM
What is the mechanism of the poison that's released? Is it due to stored impurities in the body being rapidly eliminated? Is it a side-effect of the AMRITA drip? Is the poison caused by the AMRITA entering the cardiovascular system (generating nitric oxide radicals that then cause extensive damage)?

I'm trying to understand this in more detail since I apparently only had enough knowledge of the internal path to be quite dangerous. I've apparently opened Pandora's box with this. There isn't really a moment when I cannot feel the drip. I feel it right now. I don't know how to stop it.

I need to start loading up on antioxidants: Vitamin C, B-12 Vitamins, Polyphenol extracts, magnesium supplements, etc. I'm now scared about taking anything right now though since I don't want to put any extra strain on my liver/kidney's!

I am deadly scared of it now. Be afraid! It's not all new-age goodness that cannot cause harm.

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 01:54 PM
What is the mechanism of the poison that's released? Is it due to stored impurities in the body being rapidly eliminated? Is it a side-effect of the AMRITA drip? Is the poison caused by the AMRITA entering the cardiovascular system (generating nitric oxide radicals that then cause extensive damage)?

The trouble is i don't know exactly which chakras you opened first and in what order you opened them?

In the emergency i will use the Master or belly grip but i don't know from which Chakra the poison issues into your body?
Read the book as quickly as possible because it's a short book and try to figure out what have you been doing wrong according to practice outlined in the book.

Bear in mind that those practice is coming from a Sufi tradition that was introduced among the Arabs by the Prophet Mohammed and you seem to be following some Indian tradition instead of which i am not well informed.

Illen A. Cluf
07-02-2011, 02:17 PM
Hi Aleilius and forum,

Just read about your mishap. I was very concerned when I read it but am relieved to hear that you survived it, hopefully without any permanent damage. I know nothing about what this "AMRITA drip" is, but it seems to be a very poisonous substance.

Rather than punishment from the Greater Consciousness for revealing something that should not be revealed, I see the exact opposite. I see many similar recent occurrences as a sign that much greater clarity in this Art must be provided.

Because of the intense vagueness, many novices are experimenting with highly dangerous substances and fumes which could seriously affect their short-term or long-term health. I suspect that these substances and practices are far from the true practice, and are only pursued because of imaginative interpretations forced on these practitioners because of the seemingly contradictory and vague nature of Alchemy as it is understood today.

I'm not at all suggesting that any secrets be revealed by those "in the know". Rather, it is time for those in the know to establish their credibility and expose those who preach entirely false and highly toxic or dangerous practices. It's not enough to remain silent with possession of privileged knowledge. That god-given privilege comes with a huge responsibility to ensure that others do not endanger themselves with toxic practices. Speak out against these practices. By remaining silent when you know someone will endanger themselves makes you yourself responsible for that person's safety - for which you will have to answer to the Greater Consciousness when the time arrives.

Now is the time for greater clarity to prevent others from harming themselves because of the increasing vagueness and confusion. Secrets do not have to be revealed, but it should be helpful to denounce those who preach dangerous falsehood and also to establish guidelines in areas that should be avoided.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 02:35 PM
Bear in mind that those practice is coming from a Sufi tradition that was introduced among the Arabs by the Prophet Mohammed and you seem to be following some Indian tradition instead of which i am not well informed.
To be honest with you I'm following no real practice or tradition. I take bits and pieces from various traditions, and meld them into my own work. Probably not the smartest thing since I've since paid for my lack of knowledge of this internal work.

People may think I'm incredibly brave, but I think it would be more appropriate to call me an incredible fool instead.

I will read it ASAP.

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 02:40 PM
Those secrets demand a Master who can reveal them but not a Neophyte.
I posses a modest knowledge of those things but i am unable to teach someone those secrets without exposing the beginner to a mortal danger.

Simply put Illen it cann't be revealed without proper initiation....

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 02:44 PM
Just read about your mishap. I was very concerned when I read it but am relieved to hear that you survived it, hopefully without any permanent damage. I know nothing about what this "AMRITA drip" is, but it seems to be a very poisonous substance.

Thank you! Yeah, I'm glad I'm still here too.

I don't think it's the AMRITA drip itself, but something else that results from the practice. I don't have enough knowledge to say, and all the new-age hoopla out there DOES NOT warn about this. They'll tell you a little about the so called "healing crisis," and what happens when the kundalini rises (how it may cause various problems). That's about it though.

I agree with you completely about the smoke and mirror act that keeps alchemy shrouded in mystery. I do fear that many beginners are being introduced into dangerous practices that can have very bad results. Currently, alchemy is trial and error for the most part. Many alchemists either learn from their mistakes, or perish whilst seeking the goal. This is not acceptable.

If anything is keeping alchemy hidden it is not Greater Consciousness itself (very vague term I suppose - GOD), but rather the "dark" forces that seek to keep humanity from discovering their true divinity & power. Evil exists, and it wants ignorant slaves.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 02:47 PM
Those secrets demand a Master who can reveal them but not a Neophyte.

Yeah, Masters are supposed to appear as we advance in our work to help us, and to guide us along.

Looking around for one now. Think I've been abandoned! Eh, maybe I did anger the wrong invisible brotherhood.

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 03:21 PM
Holy crap! I'm reading that one book you sent me TP.

"If you smell a sulfurous odor, you can proceed."

"After 14 days the taste of mercuric chloride will be perceived if the index finger of the angled hand is placed on the tongue."

What the heck have I been doing to myself? :eek:

I'm having a difficult time understanding the O sign. Is it as easy as it sounds? I wish there were animated images of this. I'm also somewhat bothered by the grips that's mentioned. They're not explained all too well in relation to the hand-signs.

In the height of my work, about a week and half ago, I could actually FEEL the spiraling of the two serpents along the spine, and the outflow of energy from the crown chakra (look at the energy flow on the head of baphomet, it's the EXACT same feeling).

I never grounded any energy either. I always liked to keep it at peak levels (maybe even too high for my body). I would always try to add more if I felt a drop in levels. I knew this was supposed to be "dangerous," but I didn't realize how dangerous it could be. I was mentioning this to Androgynus in a PM, and emphasized the need for grounding! It's fine to keep them high during the day, but ground it a few hours before you sleep.

If those of you out there are reading this, and like to carry out the same hedonistic kundalini practices that I do, please don't, and be sure to ground excess energy. It's damn tough on the body. Sleep too! Don't keep those levels high where you're unable to sleep, or can only sleep for a few hours. It's so so tough on the body. Your body NEEDS to repair damage.

Do not place too much emphasis on the mind/soul, and not enough on the body. A healthy/pure body is required in order to concoct the stone. One does not use an impure salt to make a stone! Likewise, we should have the same attitude about the internal work. I'd thought of this a while back, but placed it in the back of my mind since I knew my body was lacking.

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 05:55 PM
The IAO formula is explained in a such great number of books that i must wonder what kind of books you guys are reading.

Tip the IAO formula in Google and see for yourself that this is the basis for the Internal Path in wholle wide West.

For example see what the Aleister Crowley has to say about the subject:
http://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap5.html

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 05:58 PM
The IAO formula is explained in a such great number of books that i must wonder what kind of books you guys are reading.

Tip the IAO formula in Google and see for yourself that this is a basis for the Internal Path.

That sounded somewhat assholeness TP. What the hell? :eek:

Apparently not the right books. Oh, and by the way, I read Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice back when I was like 13 years old. You can shove it!

I asked about the O hand-sign, and the grips. Not the IAO formula. I see nothing in the link you posted about how it relates to the signs, and the grips. That's what I asked about. Not the IAO formula. Here let me repeat it for you:


I'm having a difficult time understanding the O sign. Is it as easy as it sounds? I wish there were animated images of this. I'm also somewhat bothered by the grips that's mentioned. They're not explained all too well in relation to the hand-signs.

Go search chapter 5 of Magick in Theory and Practice for 'sign' and 'grip' - tell me what you find, and how it relates to my original question.

I'm sorry if I sound pissed right now, but I am.

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 06:24 PM
The O hand sign is used in unison with the (IA)O formula when performing the Internal work.

In this article Crowley explains the meaning of the IAO formula in the Western tradition. He never revealed the practical work and not to mention the hand signs and grips.

You have known this since you were 13 but why are you in a hospital right now?

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 07:21 PM
The O hand sign is used in unison with the (IA)O formula when performing the Internal work.

In this article Crowley explains the meaning of the IAO formula in the Western tradition. He never revealed the practical work and not to mention the hand signs and grips.


You are completely misunderstanding my words.

I said I read Magick in Theory and Practice when I was 13. Regardless, I did not ask about the theory behind the IAO formula True Puffer, but let me reiterate what I said.



I'm having a difficult time understanding the O sign. Is it as easy as it sounds? I wish there were animated images of this. I'm also somewhat bothered by the grips that's mentioned. They're not explained all too well in relation to the hand-signs.


Please give me a break, this is the last thing I need right now. :(


You have known this since you were 13 but why are you in a hospital right now?
What a nice thing to say. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

True Initiate
07-02-2011, 09:00 PM
You are completely misunderstanding my words.

I said I read Magick in Theory and Practice when I was 13. Regardless, I did not ask about the theory behind the IAO formula True Puffer, but let me reiterate what I said.



Please give me a break, this is the last thing I need right now. :(


What a nice thing to say. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I don't know how to reply to this. I have done my best...

Nibiru
07-02-2011, 11:18 PM
Aleilius, my girlfriend had a similar experience that we believe was caused by a premature kundalini awakening. Her's wasn't the result of any intentional inner-work but rather the result of taking very potent trap water that caused extreme bloating, inability to sleep for days at a time, detox symptoms, spiritual experiences, change in tastes, blood work results off the charts like yours(results listed in one of the posts), etc. The side effects of the kundalini eventually lead to the discovery of cancerous tumors, so she considers the experience a blessing even though it almost killed her. Here's a link to the thread(quite a few posts/information) on the yahoo ormus group, you have to be a member to read it but I believe the advice we were given could be quite valuable to you at the present moment. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/message/52971?var=1&l=1

Good Luck!!!

Aleilius
07-02-2011, 11:48 PM
Hi Nibiru, that does sound very similar! What about her liver/kidneys? Were they okay? How old is she?

I think part of the problem I had was that my body is still too young to carry the higher energies I was working with. As an Aries I am all about fire, energy, vigor, life, etc. As an Aries I already had access to higher energies. I wanted to put too much into the envelope apparently. Too much fire burnt up the water organs (kidneys/liver).

Guess I didn't focus enough energy on the Sacral chakra (water chakra - related to the kidneys and liver). My main focus was the Ajna chakra. Should have kept them balanced. Bah!

Illen A. Cluf
07-03-2011, 12:02 AM
Those secrets demand a Master who can reveal them but not a Neophyte.
I posses a modest knowledge of those things but i am unable to teach someone those secrets without exposing the beginner to a mortal danger.

Simply put Illen it cann't be revealed without proper initiation....

Hi T.P. I admire your honesty and great concern for your fellow practitioners. Most with the degree of knowledge that you have would pretend to be a Master or even and Adept. Honesty and humbleness is a rare trait amongst many of the alchemists that I have encountered.

I totally agree that there must be an initiation process before anyone is ready to practice alchemy But is there anybody who is not only advanced enough to do so, but also generous enough to share their knowledge and understanding? My understanding is that anybody with an advanced understanding of alchemy would not even consider joining a public alchemy forum.

Sadly, without such help being available, the members of these forums will continue to experiment with dangerous and even deadly substances and procedures in their endless imaginative interpretation of contradictory and symbolic passages.

Illen

Illen A. Cluf
07-03-2011, 12:16 AM
I agree with you completely about the smoke and mirror act that keeps alchemy shrouded in mystery. I do fear that many beginners are being introduced into dangerous practices that can have very bad results. Currently, alchemy is trial and error for the most part. Many alchemists either learn from their mistakes, or perish whilst seeking the goal. This is not acceptable.

If anything is keeping alchemy hidden it is not Greater Consciousness itself (very vague term I suppose - GOD), but rather the "dark" forces that seek to keep humanity from discovering their true divinity & power. Evil exists, and it wants ignorant slaves.

Yes, alchemy is much more trial and error than anything else. And the trial and error seems to involve chemistry more than alchemy. That could be quite dangerous for someone without proper training. There are many stories of past alchemists perishing in theor pursuits, or dying early from inhalation of dangerous fumes. In terms of today, I have heard of several others who have had serious mishaps.

I don't really believe in external "dark" forces. Nature is neutral in all aspects. I believe that the only "dark" forces comes from fear and the human tendency towards self-worship and greed. The term "Greater Consciousness" is a general term I used to cover the myriad views of what may be considered as "God" by most today. I don't like using the term "God" because it often tends to depict an independent 'person' or entity, a concept I never believed in.

Rest well and recover well!

Illen

True Initiate
07-03-2011, 12:46 AM
I have found a document on Scribd that is going into more detail about the practice of the IAO formula and it's practical application.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21567782/Letter-Magic

solomon levi
07-03-2011, 03:14 AM
In my experience, uncoiling the serpent occurs on many levels and this has a lot to do with karma.
You unlocked something that was locked. I wouldn't say you weren't ready. Getting close to death
is a necessity, not a weakness on your part IMO. You are doing the right thing if you can meet
death and survive it: antahkarana bridge.

Aleilius
07-03-2011, 03:46 AM
You unlocked something that was locked.
That is generally how one proceeds with something that is locked. :D

I wouldn't have had any problems if I had taken it easy, and not went full-force into this work. Too much of anything is not good, and yes, I was a fool for being hedonistic about it. I paid for it, and it may prove as a lesson to others.

Let's see, can you tell me a little bit about this if you know it? Would be much appreciated!


What is the mechanism of the poison that's released? Is it due to stored impurities in the body being rapidly eliminated? Is it a side-effect of the AMRITA drip? Is the poison caused by the AMRITA entering the cardiovascular system (generating nitric oxide radicals that then cause extensive damage)?


You are doing the right thing if you can meet
death and survive it: antahkarana bridge.
Have you faced death?

Thanks for the well wishes SL. :)

Karl
07-03-2011, 12:43 PM
Wow Aleilius. I've been trying to process your story since you posted. I'm grateful you chose to talk about your experience- I make mistakes all the time but I'm not always willing to post them on the internet and open myself to criticism. Your story is sobering. I think finding oneself $250K in debt after a relatively short hospital stay shows how far the medical system has wandered from the spirit of the Hippocratic Oath. I'm hoping you continue your pursuit of the inner path (gently and carefully) and one day manifest as a teacher with all the wisdom a near death lesson brings.

Nibiru
07-03-2011, 05:47 PM
Hi Nibiru, that does sound very similar! What about her liver/kidneys? Were they okay? How old is she?

I think part of the problem I had was that my body is still too young to carry the higher energies I was working with. As an Aries I am all about fire, energy, vigor, life, etc. As an Aries I already had access to higher energies. I wanted to put too much into the envelope apparently. Too much fire burnt up the water organs (kidneys/liver).

Guess I didn't focus enough energy on the Sacral chakra (water chakra - related to the kidneys and liver). My main focus was the Ajna chakra. Should have kept them balanced. Bah!

She's only 23 and yes it did cause problems with her kidneys, I believe they were clogged with toxins. Were you able to read over some of the thread? We were offered quite a bit of information about grounding, detox, healing crises, etc. Salt or clay baths help for grounding as well as walking barefoot on the earth, eating meat(We're both vegetarians so I don't know if this works), and drinking milk. I had to take her to energy healers to help ground the energies, because she felt like her crown chakra and third-eye areas were going to burst open. I'm a hypnotherapist and was also able to help balance her energies through deep trance and guided energy work, if you know any hypnotists or how to do self-hypnosis you may be able to control the energy flow through suggestion while in a deep hypnotic state.

You're feeling better I hope??

Aleilius
07-03-2011, 06:05 PM
She's only 23 and yes it did cause problems with her kidneys, I believe they were clogged with toxins. Were you able to read over some of the thread? We were offered quite a bit of information about grounding, detox, healing crises, etc. Salt or clay baths help for grounding as well as walking barefoot on the earth, eating meat(We're both vegetarians so I don't know if this works), and drinking milk. I had to take her to energy healers to help ground the energies, because she felt like her crown chakra and third-eye areas were going to burst open. I'm a hypnotherapist and was also able to help balance her energies through deep trance and guided energy work, if you know any hypnotists or how to do self-hypnosis you may be able to control the energy flow through suggestion while in a deep hypnotic state.

You're feeling better I hope??

Hi Nibiru, I skimmed over the thread. Lots of good advice that also applies in my situation! I'm out of the hospital, and trying to take it easy for a while.

A light that burns brighter always burns out faster. That's something to consider.

Aleilius
07-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Wow Aleilius. I've been trying to process your story since you posted. I'm grateful you chose to talk about your experience- I make mistakes all the time but I'm not always willing to post them on the internet and open myself to criticism. Your story is sobering.
Hey, it's sobering to say the least! I felt that I should make an example of myself because I am the poster child for mistakes. I don't want others to repeat the same mistakes. I also wanted to post this to warn others as to the SERIOUS nature of 'internal alchemy,' and the repercussions for trying to carry out something that one does not understand 100%.

Also, we NEED to know our own limits. There are limits. You are not unlimited. I thought I was, but that proved to be foolish. Don't exceed your limits. The soul/mind/spirit may be without limits, but the body is most definitely NOT. It has limitations. The meat shell can only handle so much.


I think finding oneself $250K in debt after a relatively short hospital stay shows how far the medical system has wandered from the spirit of the Hippocratic Oath.
Quite true! I don't have the bill yet, but I'll probably be admitted in the hospital for a heart-attack when I receive the bill. It's a vicious feedback loop. :(


I'm hoping you continue your pursuit of the inner path (gently and carefully) and one day manifest as a teacher with all the wisdom a near death lesson brings.
Thanks! I forgot the lesson that the Tortoise beats the Hare. It applies well in this case.

Awani
07-04-2011, 09:54 PM
I have been away... good to hear you survived the ordeal!!!

:cool:

Aleilius
07-05-2011, 07:56 AM
Hi dev, thank you. It really tested my resolve for alchemy. Any normal person would simply call it quits after such an episode. I thought about it, but decided I was too far along to drop everything.

I'm picking up the pieces, and will continue forward in due time. Right now I think I'll take a break where I am. Need to wait a while before I proceed forward.

solomon levi
07-06-2011, 07:03 PM
That is generally how one proceeds with something that is locked. :D

I wouldn't have had any problems if I had taken it easy, and not went full-force into this work. Too much of anything is not good, and yes, I was a fool for being hedonistic about it. I paid for it, and it may prove as a lesson to others.

Let's see, can you tell me a little bit about this if you know it? Would be much appreciated!




Have you faced death?

Thanks for the well wishes SL. :)

Hi Aleilius.
I keep having the certainty that to come close to death and not die is a precious thing. I hope you make use of it.
It is very difficult for most to die willingly, so whatever brings us this close to death is a gift from the spirit IMO.

I'm not sure of the details of your path. The path I was taught requires a lot of discipline and patience. It is a
pranayama of sorts with various visualisations (will/intent) at different stages. It is a true circulation of energy/chi/prana
from the base chakra to the crown and awakens the kundalini.
I would be surprised if awakening the kundalini is not accompanied by intense pain. Mine was.
Itzhak Bentov went into this a bit in his book "Stalking the Wild Pendulum".
Castaneda also mentions it in different terms - losing the human form - he was struck with an "illness"
that caused him to be bedridden for days.

This may be of help too:
http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/downloads/kundalini-psychosis-or-transcendence.pdf


I've faced death and continue to do so. I'm convinced that no one leaves this place without a death -
either bodily/physical death, or ego death. They are intimately related. The ego is the temporary, dying
portion of ourselves. If that dies before the body, then the eternal one is promised in the afterlife
(as it is in life) - awareness doesn't die with the identity or body. If we die with our ego on the throne,
however, that death is experienced much differently - fear is still a problem, and this brings "hells" into play.
Or even the loss of consciousness/awareness - we return to cosmic soup and the pieces get ordered
again into another being, but without memory or prior awareness.

Awani
07-06-2011, 10:36 PM
Castaneda also mentions it in different terms - losing the human form - he was struck with an "illness"
that caused him to be bedridden for days.

Yes, with the ayahuasca it felt like I melted away into some other form... my friend said he felt the whole process to be like dying... in fact he had visions of his own death. Another, ex-heroin addict, got spots all over his body as a reaction to the cleansing. Since Descartes we have separated the mind from the body, it is like fixing a car without looking under the hood.

:cool:

theFool
07-07-2011, 11:37 PM
Aleilius sorry to know about what happened to you. There are many people who have experienced those symptoms, caused by energy work that goes "off road":
http://www.elcollie.com/st/symptoms.html
although it seems that your case was much more serious.
There are signs at the begining of the process that warn you to stop your energy practices, usually then you return back to normal. I have observed that Qigong excercises can produce those symptoms (Qigong illness) and also (surprisingly) that ormus overdosage has the same effects too (as Nibiru stated in previous post).

About the remedy, I would advise you to use fresh garlic, it will help you to sleep. Getting enough sleep is the most important in your case I think. Free radicals, exhaustion and all the other symptoms come from the lack of sleep.

I think many of us have had one incident like this that changed their life, you can consider it as the first step of your transformation, the calcination of ego, the first step to becoming an alchemist for real.
You are brave enough sharing the incident with us and exposing/invalidating your self in this way.

And one more thing: What happened was not "accident" and there is no need to blame yourself about it. Our path in life is pre-planned and we are being watched like toddlers in the kindergarden.

Wish you have strength until you reach at the time when you will understand the saying: "what does not kill you, makes you stronger".

Aleilius
07-08-2011, 02:06 AM
Hi SL, wise words my friend!

That's something interesting I didn't know about Castaneda. Makes you wonder.

Aleilius
07-08-2011, 02:08 AM
Yes, with the ayahuasca it felt like I melted away into some other form... my friend said he felt the whole process to be like dying... in fact he had visions of his own death. Another, ex-heroin addict, got spots all over his body as a reaction to the cleansing. Since Descartes we have separated the mind from the body, it is like fixing a car without looking under the hood.

:cool:
Death is a strange thing for sure. What's the trick to all of this? To die while still living? I don't know.

Aleilius
07-08-2011, 02:13 AM
Aleilius sorry to know about what happened to you. There are many people who have experienced those symptoms, caused by energy work that goes "off road":
http://www.elcollie.com/st/symptoms.html
although it seems that your case was much more serious.
There are signs at the begining of the process that warn you to stop your energy practices, usually then you return back to normal. I have observed that Qigong excercises can produce those symptoms (Qigong illness) and also (surprisingly) that ormus overdosage has the same effects too (as Nibiru stated in previous post).
I've been trying to figure out the exact mechanism behind this phenomena, but it continues to elude me.


About the remedy, I would advise you to use fresh garlic, it will help you to sleep. Getting enough sleep is the most important in your case I think. Free radicals, exhaustion and all the other symptoms come from the lack of sleep.
Garlic! Keeps the vampires away too. I might make me a garlic tincture! Thanks for the heads up on garlic.

I've been sleeping 2/3 of the time since I've been out of the hospital. Catching up on lost sleep I suppose.



And one more thing: What happened was not "accident" and there is no need to blame yourself about it. Our path in life is pre-planned and we are being watched like toddlers in the kindergarden.

Wish you have strength until you reach at the time when you will understand the saying: "what does not kill you, makes you stronger".
No accidents I suppose, but I'll be damned if I didn't see it coming! Strange how things work out.

Donna Matrix
07-08-2011, 03:24 AM
Brother Aeilius,

perhaps it was a purification from a very high level. This stuff has a tendency to roll downhill, or manifest more physically. Be grateful for the lesson. Perhaps ego was involved in your undertaking to begin with. Best of blessings to you.

vega33
07-08-2011, 08:17 AM
I have also not been sleeping hardly at all because of this work. I was only getting like 2-3 hours of sleep each night (if that). Sometimes I wouldn't sleep at all. I'd go 36+ hours before I finally took a rest. I felt sort of invincible at this point, but I didn't realize the dangers that were lurking inside.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VFxcAuMO2_0/TWFNkgTTF3I/AAAAAAAANEM/aS_sU6uZeBo/s1600/listeningpanel1.jpg

Sorry to hear about your health troubles - seems a time ripe for them in many people recently.

Quoth Sendivogius:

Alchemist: How long can a man ward off death by means of this universal Medicine?
Voice: Until the time originally appointed. But many Sages who did not take it with proper caution, have died before that time.
Alchemist: Do you call it a poison then?
Voice: Have you not observed that a great flame swallows up a small one? Men who had received the Art by the teachings of others, thought that the more powerful the dose they took of our Medicine the more beneficial would be the effect. They did not consider that one grain of it has strength to penetrate many thousand pounds of metals.
Alchemist: How then should they have used it?
Voice: They ought to have taken only so much as would have strengthened and nourished, without overwhelming, their natural heat.

Therein lies the secret, and of course in adequate water/viscous humidity to support the flame. The candle flame could not burn without both the wick and the wax. I think this applies just as well to the internal path as the external one.

Aleilius
07-08-2011, 12:54 PM
Sorry to hear about your health troubles - seems a time ripe for them in many people recently.
Strange you should say that. I've noticed a "sudden" increase in weird health related problems over the past 30+ days. I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence, or if we're currently traveling through an area of space with a high density of *.


They did not consider that one grain of it has strength to penetrate many thousand pounds of metals.
Oh wise Sendivogius! Must we not learn via our own failures? Even though Sendivogius seems to be speaking of an actual external stone I believe the quote you posted still applies very very well in this case.


Voice: They ought to have taken only so much as would have strengthened and nourished, without overwhelming, their natural heat.
Oh isn't that the truth! Hearken to this ye hedonists! Learn ye limits, or ye limits shall learn you.

Aleilius
07-10-2011, 02:37 PM
I've been giving myself sweat treatments (drink lots of water before doing this, and preload on 1g of Vitamin C), and full body mineral bath immersions at least twice a day as a detox treatment. Here's more information on it: http://www.ralphmag.org/bath.html


Modern research confirms that deep-water bathing is good for cirrhosis of the liver with ascites, kidney disease with edema, lead-induced paralysis of the arms, lead-induced gout, rheumatoid arthritis, and simple high blood pressure.

Aleilius
07-10-2011, 02:47 PM
Something else I wanted to mention, it might seem strange, but I've noticed a odd change in the way my blood vessels appear to show through the skin, and the coloration of the veins. I can't help but relate it to the Ripley Scroll image in the "Alchemists sure are pale!" thread (yes, that image of the super white hand holding the test-tube was me - I've always been pale, but the blood vessel strangeness is a rather recent occurrence - I started noticing it about 6+ months ago).

It really makes me wonder just what the secretions from the pineal/pituitary glands does to the body, and how much alteration occurs. I'll see if I can snap an image of this sometime. It might be surprising to some of you.

It's said that a single drop of the AMRITA is enough to conquer illnesses, and to provide "immortality" (an extended lifespan would be more appropriate). I think I've overshot that single drop by multitudes over the past 4+ months. I'm probably some kind of a mutant now.

...

Just joking about the mutant bit. LOL. :D

Aleilius
07-10-2011, 03:04 PM
Another tidbit that relates to this is a rather strange article posted by Sorcha Faal.



http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1468.htm

Put into more simplistic language: The Logos (words), no matter how small (The Parable of the Mustard Seed), have the ability to change human DNA allowing anyone to access “The Kingdom of Heaven/God” thus negating any need for organized religions or church hierarchies; a simple truth the Roman Catholic Church (and the vast majority of its Protestant offspring) has killed millions to protect humanity from knowing, and nearly all governments today live in fear of their citizens finding out.

In my opinion, the parable of the mustard seed is an allegory of the pineal gland.

oratius
07-10-2011, 04:40 PM
Dear Aleilius,

Sorry to hear about your health problems.
I wish you good health soon!

Oratius

Albion
07-11-2011, 02:31 PM
Have you faced death?


You only live twice:
Once when you are born
And once when you look death in the face.


[A failed attempt at Haiku by James Bond]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjcN609cm4&feature=related

Aleilius
07-11-2011, 02:31 PM
Dear Aleilius,

Sorry to hear about your health problems.
I wish you good health soon!

Oratius

Hi Oratius, thank you for the well wishes!

Aleilius
07-11-2011, 02:32 PM
You only live twice:
Once when you are born
And once when you look death in the face.

Couldn't be more true.

Aleilius
07-11-2011, 02:43 PM
I believe I've solved the problem.


Vishuddha chakra is known as the purification centre. Here the nectar amrit that drips down from the Bindu chakra, and is split into a pure form and a poison. In its more abstract form, it is associated with higher discrimination, and it is associated with creativity and self-expression. When Vishuddha is closed, we undergo decay and death. When it is open, negative experience is transformed into wisdom and learning. The success and failure in one's life depends upon the state of this chakra (polluted/clean). Guilty feeling is the most prominent reason for this chakra; to block the Kundalini Energy moving upwards. It is associated with the element Akasha or Æther, &nd the sense of hearing, as well as the action of speaking. Meditation upon this chakra is said to bring about the following siddhis or occult powers; vision of the three periods, past, present and future; freedom from disease and old age; destruction of dangers; and the ability to move the three worlds.

Lalana Chakra

Closely related to Vishuddha is a minor chakra, located in the roof of the mouth, called Lalana. It has 12 red or white petals, that correspond to the vritties of respect, contentment, offense, self-control, pride, affection, sorrow, depression, purity, dissatisfaction, honor and anxiety. Inside is a red circular moon region. This acts as a reservoir for the nectar amrit. When vishuddha is inactive, this nectar is allowed to run downwards into Manipura, where it is consumed, resulting in physical degeneration. Through practices such as khechari mudra, however, the nectar can be made to enter Vishuddha, where it is purified, and becomes a nectar of immortality.

Associations with the body

This chakra is located in the neck and throat. Due to its association with hearing, it is related to the ears, and due to its association with speaking, it is associated with the mouth. Vishuddha is often associated with the thyroid gland in the human endocrine system. This gland is in the neck, and produces hormones essential for growth and maturation.

In Taoism, the position of lalana chakra in the roof of the mouth corresponds with a point known as 'The Heavenly Pool'.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Vishuddha.jpg

Meditate on this image a bit. Isn't it great? I could automatically feel a draw to it when I seen it earlier this morning. I decided to make this my avatar for the moment. Whenever I read a thread, and see my posts, then I'll see this image, and it'll act as a sort of subliminal suggestion.

Speech is associated with the Vishuddha chakra. Can you draw the same connection to the mysteries of the Word (as Jesus, an anointing, etc), and how it's connected to the Holy Grail, Christ, the Savior, etc?

One way to open/activate the Vishuddha chakra is by the Khecarī Mudrā. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khecar%C4%AB_mudr%C4%81

Also a lot of detailed information here: http://www.curebum.com/37/how-to-master-kechari-mudra-technique/

Prana through the Vishuddha: http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/physicalandprana.htm


Breathing prana will create a further purification of all your physical body and burn up any waste and debris of various toxins in your physical body

Part of my work involved Murcha Kumbhaka Pranayama (third-eye breathing intake of prana).


When vishuddha is inactive, this nectar is allowed to run downwards into Manipura, where it is consumed, resulting in physical degeneration.

Yes, exactly! I could feel it entering what "felt" like the stomach.

Meditate on the following images. Try to understand why the symbol for the Vishuddha chakra was designed in such a manner (note the moon/chalice, and what it's catching from above).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nShr0WOXI5U/R-P1EVhg-1I/AAAAAAAAADM/S_up1cEWnwY/S230/vishuddhachakra.jpg

http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/17279090/view/1/producttypecolor/2/type/png/width/378/height/378/vishuddha-chakra_design.png

http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/Vishud-2.jpg

http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/Ajna-3.jpg


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Visudha means to purify. In this center everything is being purified and refined. 16 nadis flow into this chakra. This center is connected to a smaller psychic center (lalana center) where the poison that leaks out of the "bindu" area is collected. The lucky ones that have awakened this energy center, always feel well. They are able to equally accept pleasant and unpleasant things, because they are able to let them happen, unite the opposites, and have no prejudices. By developing this chakra we are able to attain knowledge about the past, present, and future, and become free and non-perishable. If the sixth chakra ajna is not awakened, the nectar from the lalana goes to the manipura chakra. If manipura is equally not awakened, the nectar is burnt out. This is the reason why nowadays people have significantly shorter life-spans as compared to biblical times.

Visuddha is the fifth energy center - chakra of the throat - situated in the base of the neck. It is a center of the powers of Divine love. This is where the limitless love originates from. This is the place where the vision of all people as brothers and sisters originates. From the perspective of Visuddha we can see all things as sacred . This is the plane where selfless souls, extraordinary artists and mystical poets abide. Visuddha's meaning is purity, its color is smoky purple-blue, it has 16 petals, its vehicle is peacock, its element is ether, organ of motion is mouth, the corresponding metal is mercury, its planet is Saturn, its sense is hearing, and its formula is HAM.

In its negative aspect, here we can often find firmly anchored qualities of envy and desire for personal power. Visuddha's positive activity is in its ability to create perfection by doing God's Will. Visuddha corresponds to the First Light Ray of Faith and Protection.

Visuddha is connected to the throat, vocal cord, ears and hearing. Visuddha is a center of vibration and mantra meditation. It is linked to a dormant center in the right brain hemisphere. By stimulating this center we become purified, wise, and longevous. Had all people on Earth awaken their Visuddha chakras, no longer there would be wars, since nobody would have the desire of possessing somebody else's property, in agreement the 10th God's Commandment.

The nectar that originates in bindu is neutral, neither poison nor elixir. If Visuddha chakra is awaken the potential nectar-poison transmutes into elixir of youth. Visuddha controls the metabolic processes, communication, and mental creativity. If balanced, we can communicate easily and effectively with others, either in written or spoken form. This includes the power of constructive expression of all emotions. If blocked, our communication is slow, difficult, or impossible, and people with such problems are prone to think that they simply are not creative.
Crystals and Visuddha

The flow of energy through the Visuddha chakra is provoked by light-blue and turquoise-blue crystals. Blue is the color of faith and protection. Crystals that are connected to this center are: angelite which helps with communication with angels and higher intelligences, aquamarine which increases the ability of peaceful self-expression, blue topaz which dissolves the fears of communication and stimulates the creativity, chrysocolla which helps with the personal self-esteem, larimar which enables communication with people that are deeply buried in our hearts and souls, tibetan turquoise which helps in getting help from other people while manifesting our desires, lapis lazuli, blue chalcedony, and blue sapphire which cleanses the thoughts and emotions.

http://www.sunnyray.org/Visuddha-crystals.htm



In comparing with Eastern systems, some compare Daath to the Vishuddha chakra in the throat, concerned with creativity, and others compare it with the secretive Bindu chakra at the back of the head, closely related to Vishuddha, which among other things is concerned with the point at which the universe was created.


In the Shakta tantra school of philosophy, there is said to exist a Bindu chakra, at the back of the head, in the part where Brahmins grow their small tuft of hair, although it is often not mentioned in traditional chakrologies. This centre is said to be where the Bindu fluid is produced, a fluid that can become either the nectar of immortality, or the poison of death. ... It is intimately connected to the Vishuddha chakra, and awakening the Vishuddha chakra is held in the Tantric traditions to awaken the Bindu chakra.

Binah is connected with Vishuddha chakra.

Okay, part of the problems that manifests from this "poison" appears to related to hyperthyroidism to a degree, but it's more than that. Whatever is taking place is also stressing the adrenal glands, and possibly causing the over production of adrenal hormones (corticosteroids, and catecholamines).

solomon levi
07-13-2011, 06:01 PM
Thanks for the info on vissudha/throat chakra.
I'm doing a lot of work in opening this area too.
After the black stage, the green (growth) and white (purification) have a lot to do with this area.

I'll try to come back to this and expand my thoughts on it. Venus is an unusual place in the work.
Besides the green stage, her associated color, one is still dealing with finishing off the black (binah/saturn)
and also dealing with a lot of new white stage purification stuff, because white is the capstone on
the pyramid, the polishing of the 7 rainbow colors into one(ness), so you have things from all 7 colors
coming up... lots going on at this stage/chakra... green overgrowth, devouring... the tempering of the steel/sword here...
very turbulent, bipolar, moving from the flame to the cool water and being pounded/compressed...
like how a computer can clean up and compress disk space, that is happening here.

Interesting the binah connection (black, saturn). And the character in the center of the chakra pic
looks similar to a saturn glyph.

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 07:42 PM
This post might seem odd, but it has a purpose. Try to consider why I've posted it.


But I go on tearing down the veil that I may behold the vision of UTI, and hear the voice thererof. And there is a voice: He hath drawn the black bean. And another voice answers it: Not otherwise could he plant the Rose. And the first voice: He hath drunk of the waters of death. The answer: Not otherwise could he water the Rose. And the first voice: He hath burnt himself at the Fires of life. And the answer: Not otherwise could he sun the Rose. And the first voice is so faint that I cannot hear it. But the answer is: Not otherwise could he pluck the Rose7.


7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

There are various accounts of this, but the AMRITA is supposedly split up into two forms: the poison of life, and the elixir of death (living waters from Zion/Zayin (hill) in Jerusalem will flow forth, half into former sea, and half into the hinder sea).


The religious and emotional qualities of the name arise from the importance of Jerusalem as the royal city and the city of the Temple. Mount Zion is the place where Yahweh, the God of Israel, dwells (Isaiah 8:18; Psalm 74:2), the place where he is king (Isaiah 24:23) and where he has installed his king, David (Psalm 2:6).


Mount Meru (Sanskrit: मेरु) (also called Sumeru i.e. the "Excellent Meru") is a sacred mountain in Hindu and Buddhist cosmology as well as in Jain cosmology, and is considered to be the center of all the physical, metaphysical and spiritual universes. It is also the abode of Lord Brahma and the Demi-Gods (Devas).

http://secretarcana.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Baphomet.png


In Levi’s depiction, Baphomet embodies the culmination of the alchemical process – the union of opposing forces to create Astral Light – the basis of magic and, ultimately, enlightenment.

A close look at the details of the image reveals that each symbol is inevitably balanced with its opposite. Baphomet himself is an androgynous character as it is bearing the characteristics of both sexes: female breasts and a rod representing the erect phallus. The concept of androgeniety is of a great importance in occult philosophy as it is representative the highest level of initiation in the quest of becoming “one with God”.

Baphomet is therefore symbolic of the alchemical Great Work where separate and opposing forces are united in perfect equilibrium to generate Astral Light. This alchemical process is represented on Levi’s image by the terms Solve and Coagula on Baphomet’s arms.


And the Angel sayeth: Behold where thine Angel hath led thee! Thou didst ask fame, power and pleasure, health and wealth and love, and strength, and length of days. Thou didst hold life with eight tentacles, like an octopus. Thou didst seek the four powers and the seven delights and the twelve emancipations and the two and twenty Privileges and the nine and forty Manifestations, and lo! thou art become as one of These. Bowed are their backs, whereon resteth the universe. Veiled are their faces, that have beheld the glory Ineffable.

These adepts seem like Pyramids --- their hoods and robes are like Pyramids.

And the Angel sayeth: Verily is the Pyramid a Temple of Initiation. Verily also is it a tomb15}. Thinkest thou that there is life within the Masters of the Temple, that sit hooded, encamped upon the Sea? Verily, there is no life in them.

Their sandals were the pure light, and they have taken them from their feet and cast them down through the abyss, for this Aethyr is holy ground.

I am Hermes, that am sent from the Father to expound all things discreetly in these the last words that thou shalt hear before thou take thy seat among these, whose eyes are sealed up, and whose ears are stopped, and whose mouths are clenched, who are folded in upon themselves, the liquor of whose bodies is dried up, so that nothing remains but a little pyramid of dust.

And that bright light of comfort, and that piercing sword of truth, and all that power and beauty that they have made of themselves, is cast from them, as it is written, "I saw Satan like lightning fall from Heaven." And as a flaming sword is it dropt through the abyss, where the four beasts keep watch and ward. And it appeareth in the heaven of Jupiter18 as a morning star, or as an evening star19. And the light thereof shineth even unto the earth, and bringeth hope and help to them that dwell in the darkness of thought, and drink of the poison of life. Fifty are the gates20 of understanding, and one hundred and six21 are the seasons thereof. And the name of every season22 is Death.

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 07:57 PM
Venus is an unusual place in the work.
Besides the green stage, her associated color, one is still dealing with finishing off the black (binah/saturn)

Venus and Binah are both connected. Binah is the black mother to us, but the supreme white mother to those above the abyss (those below the abyss see the inversion). Binah is both Babylon, the Whore, and Mary the Virgin. I'll try to write about this a little more, but it's almost impossible for those to understand that haven't beheld the vision of Binah (the dual vision of sorrow & wonder).


Venus represents Jesus Christ as the bright and morning star, or the bride of Christ, or both (Christ in relation to His church) depending upon the particular circumstances. The Hebrew name for Venus is Nogah, which means “bright.” In the Planisphere of Dendera (cir. approx. 2000 BC), Venus is shown as a female figure (the bride of Christ).

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. [Revelation 22:16 KJV]

[Thyatira] (26) And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: (27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (28) And I will give him the morning star. [Revelation 2:26-28 KJV] [1]



Venus is also associated with Lucifer. Certain mystery schools teach that Jesus & Lucifer are both the same being. Jesus is associated with both the Sun, and Mars. Jesus is associated with Abel, the first son of Adam that was slain (the Sun) by the son of the Serpent (Saturn). The second child between Eve (Eve is associated with the Moon/Luna, the Well of Souls, the Light of Night, Binah, Babylon/Virgin Mary) and Adam was Seth which is associated with ARY, the Aryans, Mars, Iron, etc.

What about Venus? Venus is Victory over Saturn by the Messiah. Venus also represents love. Chesed is the sphere of Jupiter, and represents mercy. Jesus is connected with Jupiter (the one that slays his father Saturn). Here we see the key to the whole work, and how Venus (love, creation, growth) conquers the Dragon (hate, destruction, decay). The word that represents this process is the magical formula ALIM/ALYM (Aleph Lamed Yod Mem).

Associate ALYM to the paths of the Tree of Life to gain further understanding of this: http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Tree_of_Life

ALYM = MYLA

All of this hearkens to the solve et coagula process: destroy to create, dissolve to purify. Discard the impurity (Saturn, blackness, etc), and obtain the pure.

Why do you think Jesus is called the Fisher of Men, and the shepherd/keeper of sheep. Didn't Abel offer his sheep to the one portrayed as the Lord in Genesis? What is the purpose of sheep?


brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.


10. Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes."

16. Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

21. Mary said to Jesus, "What are your disciples like?"

He said, "They are like little children living in a field that is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Give us back our field.' They take off their clothes in front of them in order to give it back to them, and they return their field to them.

For this reason I say, if the owners of a house know that a thief is coming, they will be on guard before the thief arrives and will not let the thief break into their house (their domain) and steal their possessions.

As for you, then, be on guard against the world. Prepare yourselves with great strength, so the robbers can't find a way to get to you, for the trouble you expect will come.

Let there be among you a person who understands.

When the crop ripened, he came quickly carrying a sickle and harvested it. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!"

55. Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters, and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

60. He saw a Samaritan carrying a lamb and going to Judea. He said to his disciples, "that person ... around the lamb." They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it." He said to them, "He will not eat it while it is alive, but only after he has killed it and it has become a carcass."

They said, "Otherwise he can't do it."

He said to them, "So also with you, seek for yourselves a place for rest, or you might become a carcass and be eaten."

90. Jesus said, "Come to me, for my yoke is comfortable and my lordship is gentle, and you will find rest for yourselves."

73. Jesus said, "The crop is huge but the workers are few, so beg the harvest boss to dispatch workers to the fields."

101. "Whoever does not hate [father] and mother as I do cannot be my [disciple], and whoever does [not] love [father and] mother as I do cannot be my [disciple]. For my mother [...], but my true [mother] gave me life."

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

Saying 105 will be better understood in light of the Tree of Life (the Binah/Saturn connection). "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore, and the son of Satan."

Isn't this seemingly a conundrum?

Sorry, these last few posts of mine are seemingly not all that associated with this topic. I might move them to a new topic later on.

Aleilius
07-13-2011, 10:24 PM
What is the most perfect thing? Nothing!

Didn't Buddha teach that all material things are imperfect? Could it not be said that Buddha's true desire was nothing? He desired nothing. Is this another way of saying that he hated all material things, or the material universe? How can you love what you just taught was imperfect? How can you love existence & the things that exist therein when you'd just taught that the three marks of existence is impermanence, suffering, and not-self? Is this the mystery of Chesed, and of the Just Ruler? Even though something is not perfect, or something is lacking in various traits, does this mean that it must be frowned upon, not loved, disliked, hated, or destroyed?


Dukkha is also listed among the three marks of existence: impermanence (anicca), suffering (dukkha) and not-self (anatta).

To desire nothing is another way of saying to bring dissolution to all. This is the opening of the Eye of Shiva (the Destroyer), and the destruction of the universe by fire.


None shall pass by me except he slay me16, and this is his curse, that, having slain me, he must take my office and become the maker of Illusions, the great deceiver, the setter of snares17; he who baffleth even them that have understanding. For I stand on every path, and turn them aside from the truth by my words, and by my magick arts.


And this is the horror18 that was shown by the lake that was nigh unto the City of the Seven Hills19, and this is the Mystery of the great prophets that have come unto mankind. Moses, and Buddha, and Lao Tan, and Krishna, and Jesus20, and Osiris, and Mohammed; for all these attained unto the grade of Magus, and therefore were they bound with the curse of Thoth. But, being guardians of the truth, they have taught nothing but falsehood, except unto such as understood; for the truth may not pass the Gate of the Abyss21.


But the Angel that was with me lifted me, and I saw that the edge of the altar, as I must call it, was surrounded by holy men. Each has in his right hand a weapon --- one a sword, one a spear, one a thunderbolt, and so on, but each with his left hand gives the sign of silence. I wish to see what is within their ring. One of them bends forward so that I may whisper the pass-word. The Angel prompts me to whisper: "There is no god." So they let me pass, and though there was indeed nothing visible therein, yet there was a very strange atmosphere, which I could not understand.

Suspended in the air there is a silver star, and on the forehead of each of the guardians there is a silver star4. It is a pentagram, --- because, says the Angel, three and five are eight; three and eight are eleven. (There is another numerical reason that I cannot hear.)


Beneath his feet is the kingdom, and upon his head the crown. He is spirit and matter; he is peace and power; in him is Chaos and Night and Pan, and upon BABALON his concubine, that hath made him drunk upon the blood of the saints that she hath gathered in her golden cup, hath he begotten the virgin that now he doth deflower. And this is that which is written: Malkuth shall be uplifted and set upon the throne of Binah11. And this is the stone of the philosophers that is set as a seal upon the tomb of Tetragrammaton, and the elixir of life that is distilled from the blood of the saints, and the red powder that is the grinding-up of the bones of Choronzon.


And there is a little child in a mist of blue light; he hath golden hair, a mass of curls, and deep blue eyes. Yea, he is all golden, with a living, vivid gold. And in each hand he hath a snake; in the right hand a red, in the left a blue. And he hath red sandals, but no other garment16.

And he sayeth: is not life a long initiation unto sorrow? And is not Isis the Lady of Sorrow? And she is my mother. Nature is her name, and she hath a twin sister Nephthys, whose name is Perfection. And Isis must be known of all, but of how few is Nephthys known! Because she is dark, therefore is she feared.


Come away! For the Second Triad is completed, and there remaineth only the Lord of the Aeon, the Avenger, the Child both Crowned and Conquering, the Lord of the Sword and the Sun, the Babe in the Lotus, pure from his birth, the Child of suffering, the Father of justice, unto whom be the glory throughout all the Aeon!75
The avenger? Avenge what? The Lord of the Sword (Mars, Aries, Iron, lineage of Seth), and the sun (Christ as the Sun). The child of suffering? Didn't Jesus say he was the Son of Man (Adam, and all mankind)? Does this mean that he is also the Son of suffering? Wasn't Jupiter the Father of justice? Isn't Christ called the Just Ruler, or the Just King.

What do you make of all this? This post will also be moved along with the other two above seemingly off-topic posts.

EDIT: Actually, I'll leave these posts here. They're too intertwined to be moved without loss of meaning. This thread, along with the "Alchemists are pale thread!" are both connected with each other.

solomon levi
07-13-2011, 11:57 PM
You and I are very synched of late. I don't have time to expound so much though, but I follow you
and see the connections.

Aleilius
07-14-2011, 09:03 AM
You and I are very synched of late. I don't have time to expound so much though, but I follow you
and see the connections.

Synched for sure. :D

I'm glad somebody is following me! These two threads are really quite complex, and deals with so much interweaving symbolism. There's also the phonetic cabala portion to my research that must be understood. It's really one of the most important aspects to this, and without understanding of the cabala it's impossible to really understand how I make certain connections between seemingly unrelated subjects. Most see Greek, or Hebrew and run for dear life!

I'm just glad to share it. I doubt I could have ever pierced this far if I kept the fruits of my labor to myself.

solomon levi
07-14-2011, 06:59 PM
This seems relevent:
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Ophites

vega33
07-15-2011, 08:33 PM
Saying 105 will be better understood in light of the Tree of Life (the Binah/Saturn connection). "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore, and the son of Satan."

Isn't this seemingly a conundrum?
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Actually, its quite understandable in the light of the Tabula Smaragdina (pardon the allusions to the Emerald of Lucifer). He who knows the father and the mother is the child of Hermes. You'll recall the virgin and the whore in alchemy. Ironically, this relates to old goddess-forms such as Inanna and Ishtar. The best way to understand this virgin whore complex is virgin water... being pure and "without spot" it absorbs the nutrients and the heat of the sun within itself, creating new life.

Donna Matrix
07-15-2011, 09:48 PM
I would like to add some aged estrogen to this conversation.

I have been studying and meditating for 25 years. I have active kundalini. Still, I know nothing.

There are amazing young people on this forum who have barely lived life who are making decisions and performing dangerous acts that are driven by ego and ambition. This can only end in misery.

Intellectual giants, sure. But this forum is full of mutual mental masturbation about who can outsmart and out dare others.

God does not reward ambition, and you can never "figure" out how to make the stone, as it is given by spirit step by step. I suggest you work on simply asking for enlightenment and patience. That's actually the path of wisdom for many on this forum.

Blessings to all.

Paracelsus said no conjuring or use of symbols can replace simple faith and prayer.

True Initiate
07-16-2011, 04:34 PM
There are amazing young people on this forum who have barely lived life who are making decisions and performing dangerous acts that are driven by ego and ambition. This can only end in misery.

Intellectual giants, sure. But this forum is full of mutual mental masturbation about who can outsmart and out dare others.


Mental mastrurbators and diplomats.

Amen sister!

solomon levi
07-16-2011, 08:05 PM
I am certain that an outsider cannot judge with any accuracy
someone else's masturbation, mental or otherwise.

There are guidelines. But the way is unique for each individual.
I just finished reading a book "When fear falls away" about a lady that
had a permanent "enlightenment" or loss of the ego idea after asking
not to have to be in fear for her next mammogram/biopsy!

No one can really speak for anyone else. The universe is so utterly random.

If it is happening, what/who would say it should not be happening?
If masturbation happens, then that is this moment's enlightenment.
Enlightenment is to be found in no other moment but this one, no matter what the
contents of that moment, enlightenment is there.

I swear it.

Aleilius
07-18-2011, 04:38 AM
It's foolish to think an individual can understand the motives & reasons behind the actions of another. Out of ego? Ambition? Mental masturbation?

Is the image of the observed tinged by the one that's observing?

We can never really understand another person. You can never understand why A does this, and why B does that. You can never know the true motives behind an action of an external being. What you think you see is merely the shadow of an external image as it is being interpreted by the bias of your own ego.

What you think you see is only an interpretation of a past representation/modality of an object. If you have to think to see, you cannot see what's really there right now, and you can never be in the moment.

All communication is false. I utter with one understanding, and you hear with another understanding. What you hear is not the same as what I speak.

I'm just toying with you. I was inspired just now to write the following Tarot allegory: "The Magus & the Joker (the Fool is anything but a fool - the symbolism of the Joker is more appropriate) are one in zero, and zero in one: one the kingdom, and zero the crown. One acts, and the other laughs; one laughs, and the other acts! The laugh of the Joker is the prima materia of creation. The Magus molds everything from this infinite laugh: the play of nothing is written, the stage of illusion is built, and the Magus is cast as all actors. The divine comedy is afoot!"

Aleilius
07-18-2011, 05:27 AM
There's an interesting little story about the apple that got stuck in Adam's throat! This is the legendary origin of why all males possesses a large lump (elongated thyroid cartilage) in their throat (as opposed to females).

Can you relate this to the Amrita & the Vishuddha?


When vishuddha is inactive, this nectar is allowed to run downwards into Manipura, where it is consumed, resulting in physical degeneration. Through practices such as khechari mudra, however, the nectar can be made to enter Vishuddha, where it is purified, and becomes a nectar of immortality.


Satyananda describes something similar. He says that ambrosia is formed at the sahasrara (the moon) and is consumed at the manipura (the sun), where it is the food which sustains life. This nectar is formed into drops at the bindu visargha, drips down to a minor chakra (Lalana) at the base of the nasal orifice. This serves as a reservoir. It is secreted from here due to certain mudras (e.g. the tongue lock) and flows to the vishuddha chakra. If this has awakened the nectar is purified and rejuvenates the body. It the vishuddha is not active the nectar becomes toxic and leads slowly to the decay of the body and death. [TC]

Aleilius
07-18-2011, 05:53 AM
I was doing some chakra/meditation work last night. During the final stages, I noticed that when I opened my eyes, I'd notice a black dot (with a white light-like halo outline - very odd!) that would imprint itself in the center of my vision. At first I thought this was a fluke. I closed my eyes, opened them once more, and it was still there.

Odd for sure. It did go away a few minutes after coming out of my meditative trance.


Melanin is present in each organ and regulates the workings of our brain. Within the human brain stem are 12 centers of black melanin. On the earth, only humans have deep pigmentation of all twelve-brain centers. The brain center with the deepest pigmentation is the Locus Coeruleus or Black Dot. The Locus Coeruleus supplies the pineal gland with norepinephrine. The pineal gland controls the flow of melatonin during the night hours to activate R.E.M sleep which allows us to communicate with internal memory pools or other dimensions of life in nature. Melanin also causes seratonin to flow more effectively in the waking state so to “inspirience” more spirituality. This also helps to keep spiritual intunement at an apex. The less melanin in an individual, the more calcified the pineal gland and less access the individual has to the spiritual world.

Melanin exists also as biopigment for vision in the eyes of humans and all vertebrates. Color vision is produced in the retina by melanin through photopigments. These allow deeper melanin concentrations, offer protection from the sun as well as a fuller vision of the color spectrum. The melanin content in the inner ear also is of great importance. Through this ear pigmentation, it was found that increased melanin increases hearing frequencies. Melanin is also used to make the Black Dot more in touch with the universe. This Black Dot (Third Eye) was seen by our Kemetic ancestors as the access point to inner wisdom and divinity. This was the invisible door to the pyramid which when activated would decipher the mysteries.

Some believe meditating on a black dot will 'open' the third eye. I bet there's a reason for it!

Black sun eh?

Aleilius
07-18-2011, 06:18 AM
Yes, it's appropriate to connect this with the notion of the Shiva Lingam (a black stone).


Earth could not bear her flow so Lord Shiva agreed to bear it. Lord Shiva's skin turned bluish as he drank the Halahala poison that came out of the churning of the oceans.

Shiva / Siva (Sanskrit: शिव, and written Úiva in IAST transliteration) is a form of God in Hinduism. Adi Sankara interprets the name Siva to mean "One who purifies everyone by the utterance of His name" or the Pure One, that is, one who is not affected by the three gunas (characteristics) of Prakrti (matter): Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas. Additionally, Siva can also mean, "the Auspicious One." He is often depicted as the husband of Uma.

http://www.freebsd.nfo.sk/hinduizmus/shiva-big-hair.jpg

Strange?

Aleilius
07-28-2011, 09:28 AM
I need to mention something. For most of my life I have always sat cross-legged in the lotus style position familiar to yoga practitioners. Almost at all times when sitting in a chair I'd automatically default to this position. I'd sit in this position constantly as I worked countless hours on the computer for the past few years (sometimes not moving from this position for 5 hours at the very least).

Ever since I moved about 2 months ago I had been unable to sit in this position due to not having a chair that would allow me to do this. This is exactly when I started experiencing problems.

I bought a new chair today, and I started sitting in this position once more. I could notice a difference within hours. I had been having pain in the flank area for the last two days, but it's no longer there anymore!

Don't underestimate this position. It's very important now that I'd studied it in depth. I had no idea of what benefits such a position had. I started sitting like this because it felt comfortable to me (or it felt right? I'm not sure which, but perhaps both), and it became a habit ever since I was small.

I am now going to undertake a study of various positions.

EDIT: It seems that Padmasana, Siddhasana, and Sukhasana are closely related.

Aleilius
07-28-2011, 10:29 AM
When you practise Pranayama vigorously, take butter and sugarcandy. Live on a small quantity of milk.
I think there's something to this actually. I used to live on sugary goods before I moved (since they were always available to me, and I didn't have to purchase them). Ever since I moved I haven't really had any money to splurge on candy, soda, etc. So I think this might be also related.

The nervous system & brain require glucose as their exclusive fuel/energy source. When there's no glucose available the liver must start breaking stuff down (there are various intermediate steps to this depending on what the liver is breaking down), and converting it into glucose in order to meet the supply of the nervous system & brain. The breakdown isn't that efficient, and releases wastes that absolutely must be excreted/filtered by the kidneys.

The demand for enormous amounts of glucose (which was normally obtained externally from sugary goods) required by my nervous, brain, and various other organs (I think muscles also require glucose) might've simply been too much for the liver & kidneys to handle. I am also considering vasoconstruction might've had a role to play. When there's not enough glucose to go around, your brain starts slowly decreasing the activity of various organs, and I think vasoconstruction might be one of the methods for this.

The human body is a very strange thing my friends. Even with everything I know it's still a mystery to me. It's an amazing piece of work, quite hardy at times, but it is not invulnerable & can easily take out when pressed to its limits.

alwayson
07-30-2011, 03:45 PM
Hi Aleilius,

I am an AMATEUR academic in this field. I am in contact with all the top academic scholars, such as David Gordon White, James Mallinson (author of Khecarividya of Adinatha). These are actual Eastern Studies academics with PhDs. I am also a primary editor on Wikipedia for this sort of stuff.

Can you tell me in detail, what you did EXACTLY that landed in you in the hospital? I have a feeling you fell into one critical mistake, which I will explain, if my hunch is correct.

III
08-25-2011, 09:15 PM
I would have replied earlier except that on June 30th my daughter was randomly murdered by a drunk driver and I have been guiding her and dealing with other things since then.

I am somewhat at a loss with the terminology used here, not really knowing what is meant by the "internal path". However, as I have let you know I do a sexual tantric partnered alchemy that is certainly internal. We don't deal with any dangerous chemicals or anything of the sort. Preparing and consuming the living elixer from the living grail is amply powerful and most satisfactory. The energies worked with are very powerful and can cause all sorts of bad reactions if the persons involved have not been satisfactorly cleansed and prepared.

There is a lot of misunderstanding of many things and much mythology even in as simple an area as nutritriton and purification. The word "detox" is one of those words. It is usually a completely wrong application of the word. When a person takes certains supplements, vitamins or "green" drinks etc for purification or health purposes and expeience certain sometimes drastic or even deadly symptoms and they identify it as "detox" reaction, they are almost always dangerously wrong, at least in certain indentifiable situations.

The two most common dangerous forms of "detox" that can cause multiple organ/system failure are induced low potassium (hypokalemia) and induced severe folate deficiency via any of several paths.

Hypokalemia can be quickly caused by taking very effective forms of certain vitamins and other supplements that succeed in starting up a multitude of healing processes that depletes the body of potassium by rapid cell formation. These symptoms can be relieved in 30 minutes by taking about 600mg of potassium (ie 1/4 teaspoon of "lo-salt" or salt substitute) or a potassium supplement. A person may need to take up to 2000mg of supplemental potassium, done properly so as not to damage the stomach, daily to prevent problems while undergoing this healing. The misidentification of hypokalemia as "detox" can be fatal and cause widespread damage if cointinued for very long at all. For instance it can cause paralysis of the illium (intestines) causing the food to rot instead of digest and pass on.

The other major deficiency caused by taking certain supplements and/or vitamins or even eating certain vegetables is the acute deficiency of methylfolate. When this deficiency is caused by taking folic acid, folinic acid, or folinic acid contained in veggies it can be called paradoxical folate deficiency. These forms, folic and/or folinic acid can accumulate in the body if the person is genetically unable to use them and cause a blockade of the genuine active form of folate, methylfolate. These oxidized forms of folate can actually block 10-20 times as much methylfolate (Metafolin by brand name) causing acute folate deficiency with tissue and organ breakdown in all parts of the body. It can also cause acute allergic and asthmatic reactions to all sorts of normally tolerated items. When glutathione in any form and/or NAC (frequently taken for "purification and detox) is taken acute folate deficiency can onset within hours. Because of the glutathione/NAC and the role of folate in b12 metabolism both natural forms of b12 (methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin) can both be completely inactivated causing immediate multi system breakdown and failure. Only some brands of these vitamins actually are effective. Both potassium and folate/b12 deficiencies can cause heart attacks and other causes of death. As the folate/b12/carnitine set are totally involved in energy generation (ATP) in the body, brain and nerves, if these are non-functional when one sets out to activate kundalini the results can make one quite ill.

The traditional taboo breaking tantric meal (feast) in vegetarian societies includes beef-steak (methylb12, adenosylb12, methylfolate, l-carnitine, other b-vitamins and amino acids), fish (protein and some naturalb12s and methylfolate, omega3 oils), whole grains (b-vitamins) and wine (reserveritol and bioflavinoids) prior to engaging in the physically challanging prolonged spiritual sexual activities.

You don't have to believe me. I can't think of a reason why you should. I am an expeirienced and accomplished alchemist, and again there is no reason to believe me since such are about as rare as hen's teeth as others have pointed out. Consider my posting here as being of a compassionate nature. I remember dying more times than you can shake a stick, or Bondism, at and I've learned a few things along the way and have no objection to passing on a few hints.

This weekend I am going to participate in a feast and dance with about 150 skyclad beings with some unknown percentage of those utilizing the group energy for alchemical purposes, myself included. If all works out about four or five of us will have some truely extraordinary ritual experiences, generating the living elixer of life and drinking it directly from the living sacred grail of a goddess avatar. This is the only alchemy I know and have practiced for a long time. I have known it all my life and as a child, knowing what I would do later as an adult reacted with "YUCK". We each have a direct modem to God within us. All we have to do is learn to cooperate with another person to turn it on.

BE IN LOVE

Awani
08-25-2011, 09:19 PM
I would have replied earlier except that on June 30th my daughter was randomly murdered by a drunk driver and I have been guiding her and dealing with other things since then.

How do you mean "guiding" her?

Sorry for the loss!!!


This weekend I am going to participate in a feast and dance with about 150 skyclad beings with some unknown percentage of those utilizing the group energy for alchemical purposes, myself included. If all works out about four or five of us will have some truely extraordinary ritual experiences, generating the living elixer of life and drinking it directly from the living sacred grail of a goddess avatar.

Sounds fun... if you have the chance please document with words and/or photos of this ecstasy!

:cool:

Andro
08-25-2011, 09:27 PM
"guiding" her?"

After departing the physical vehicle, someone can be shamanically/OOB guided towards the higher astral planes, but it also depends on the spiritual level the departed spirit resonates with.

In other words, you can't guide someone beyond their proper level, but you can definitely spare them the potentially unpleasant passage through the lower/lowest astral planes.

Speaking from experience...

Andro
08-25-2011, 09:35 PM
We each have a direct modem to God within us.

Yes, whatever you perceive or define as "god".


drinking it directly from the living sacred grail of a goddess avatar

All we have to do is learn to cooperate with another person to turn it on.

Not necessarily. Diversity applies.

Here is a different perspective: Quoting myself (quoting someone else) on another thread:


Casting Precious Into the Cracks of Doom - Androgyny, Alchemy, Evolution and the One Ring (http://www.zaporacle.com/casting-precious-into-the-cracks-of-doom-androgyny-alchemy-evolution-and-the-one-ring/)

And a quote from the author of the article linked above:


Much of what binds us into the matrix is surrender to gender stereotypes which encourage us to feel incomplete, and desperately in need of someone else to find a wholeness that can only be rediscovered within."

Awani
08-25-2011, 09:45 PM
I figured it was this kind of guidance... but I have no such experience yet myself with this kind of loss i.e. my ignorance.

Not long ago listening to a rap by Mr. McKenna he said something like this (and I quote from memory): "No one escapes disaster... but when it strikes we should welcome it instead of reacting with despair."

Easier said than done naturally, but an interesting outlook on life and something to think about. It goes for anything, like being fired from a job, loosing a relationship, getting cancer... whatever. But when disaster strikes theory can be difficult to put into practice...

:cool:

III
08-26-2011, 02:06 AM
After departing the physical vehicle, someone can be shamanically/OOB guided towards the higher astral planes, but it also depends on the spiritual level the departed spirit resonates with.

In other words, you can't guide someone beyond their proper level, but you can definitely spare them the potentially unpleasant passage through the lower/lowest astral planes.

Speaking from experience...

Hi Androgynus,

I quite agree. My daughter was also a very different experience than most of the others I have "guided". Generally they are bouncing around quite unsure of where they are or what is going on and getting them calmed down is the first order of business. I worked with a Yogi monk for a couple of years before his "unexpected" (to him) death. I had been alerted that it was coming by the founders of the order (long dead, that is another strange story though probably worth telling) and I was asked to work with him in preparation, which I did, and told him the whole story on a Saturday and he died on the next Monday. At that point I just had to remind him where he was and helped him get his bearings on the "map" we had worked out and he knew what to do then and so it was pretty calm.

My daughter was different. She was an artist and a most extraordinary young lady and priestess and a few years ago had painted a picture of a figure in a blaze of light with the chains of karma being broken away and entitled KARMA. Two hours after her sudden death we, myself and my alchemical partner/priestess made contact with her. I experienced her death with her. All she knew of it was a slight motion in the corner of her eye and it was over, just like that. She literally never knew what hit her. We saw her just like her painting, with her enveloped in a blaze of light, purified of everything and the chains of karma gone. She said she was doing just fine and should be called Dianna now. I was ready to do some guiding but it was entirely unneeded. At the moment of her birth both my wife at that time and I saw that she was going to die young, but neither of us wanted any details so as not to be always looking for it poisoning her life and ours. We had both been aware of her from literally the moment of conception inevitability as actual fertilization and implantation take a few days. The whole experience was unusual right from the start. We knew we were making a baby that night and had known the entire day before that we were going to do so.

I had the experience of walking into the computer store (closed, paperwork and cleanup) on Sunday where I was doing some contract programming and knew well the two young guys (like me at the time) and their wives. I asked the one wife "When is your baby due?" She said that she wasn't pregnant and couldn't possible be so. A month later she asked me "How in hell did you know? We had just had sex a few hours before you asked that question."

My entire life has been like that. When I was in third grade my mother had two miscarriages at about 3 months each time. Each time I woke up crying, very disturbed, seeing what looked like a broken up bird embryo lying bloody on the front steps being lifted into the sky by golden light knowing that this baby wasn't coming to live with us. My mother was sure I was spying on her otherwise how could I know these things. She was so upset by the things I knew I never told her any of it again as she wanted to punish me for these transgressions.

What a long strange trip it's been...

III
08-26-2011, 02:57 AM
Yes, whatever you perceive or define as "god".


Not necessarily. Diversity applies.

Here is a different perspective: Quoting myself (quoting someone else) on another thread:


Androgynus


http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15873#post15873)
We each have a direct modem to God within us.




Yes, whatever you perceive or define as "god".

I can't define such, just maybe perceive, and on any given day I might have said "Absolute" or "Goddess" or "Universal consciousness" or just about anything else that gets the idea across and comes out my organ of communication of the moment. It's just that we have the built in whatever to do that linkup.





http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15873#post15873)
drinking it directly from the living sacred grail of a goddess avatar





http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15873#post15873)
All we have to do is learn to cooperate with another person to turn it on.





Not necessarily. Diversity applies.

TRUTH, whatever that might be can't really be spoken. At best one can say something that reflects a very small fragment or suggestion of how something might be seen. All I'm trying to say is that in applying this "modem", again at best a weak metaphor, when one cooperates and turns it on with another being there is a qualitative and quantitative difference that I have never known to have achieved alone.



http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15873#post15873)
drinking it directly from the living sacred grail of a goddess avatar




Not necessarily. Diversity applies.

It is the form of Alchemy I know, and have always known, and have applied for a long time. There may very well be other forms of Alchemy of which I am unaware as there are most things of which I am unaware in this infinite system. The best I can do is describe the Alchemy I know rather than the ones I do not know and am not aware of. People have many working hypothesies, some work better for them than some others might. Others choose a hypothesis that they somehow never get to work. I have no idea why any of it works as it does or doesn't. Working with people on nutrition is much more concrete and predictable but even that is not cut and dried.

BE IN LOVE

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III
08-26-2011, 04:27 PM
Hi Androgynus,


http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15873#post15873)
All we have to do is learn to cooperate with another person to turn it on.

Not necessarily. Diversity applies.

I want to make another pass at this one. In the Bible Christ is quoted as saying something to the effect that when two or more are gathered in my name, there so am I. There is a generalized case of this. When 2 or more activate within themselves a certain mechanism and they "tune" them together to "resonance" then a living presence can be felt that is not any of the specific participants. The more people cooperating in this,and the better they can tune to the resonance point, the more powerful this living presence. A few years ago I went to a 4 day invocational Alchemical Goddess gathering. It was an invitational event and before somebody asks, having nothing at all to do with tantric or alchemical sex.. I was the only priest there with 16 priestesses. It took the entire time going through a multitude of steps and intermediate points to "negotiate" the cooperation and bring all 17 into deeply resonant rapport. It was the most powerful experience of that kind I have ever had. Typically doing a "five" is difficult and rarely done, or at least rarely done well. Doing a stable 17 is almost impossible. I do expect to do a "21" sometime, don't know how, when or where. Those with no experience in this may have no idea of what I speak. There is a lot of mytholgy that doesn't further understanding. There is also a lot of common terminolgy lacking so mututal understanding is difficult.

Andro
08-26-2011, 04:59 PM
III,

All I can say, is that I am glad you have found a path that apparently works very well FOR YOU.

I never argue with whatever works.

Still, diversity applies. One man's remedy may well be another man's poison.

I very much appreciate what you are sharing about you path, but there are other approaches as well, each of which I'm sure can be backed up by this or that reference...

For example -one person, fully self-integrated, fully balanced and complete in shim's (note the pronoun) Androgyny, may be able to achieve 'more' that many group endeavors.

However, I do not, in any way, dismiss group or couple practices.

If anything, I recognize the power of amplification in morphic resonance.

I simply advocate diversity. There is more than one way to skin a cat :)

And then there is the Universal Way - which can not ever be a 'Path' :)

III
08-26-2011, 07:00 PM
How do you mean "guiding" her?

Sorry for the loss!!!




http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15873#post15873)
This weekend I am going to participate in a feast and dance with about 150 skyclad beings with some unknown percentage of those utilizing the group energy for alchemical purposes, myself included. If all works out about four or five of us will have some truely extraordinary ritual experiences, generating the living elixer of life and drinking it directly from the living sacred grail of a goddess avatar.





Sounds fun... if you have the chance please document with words and/or photos of this ecstasy!

:cool:

Hi Dev,

There are no cameras of any kind allowed at any of these events. This isn't Burning Man. It's very private. Anybody, even a famous very recognizable person could come and not have their privacy violated. I may post a short description of some of the events, however nothing ever happens exactly as expected. Somebody expected doesn't show up for any of many reasons, somebody else does show up and the possiblities are different. I am hoping for a very excellent profound and deep alchemical experience this weekend along with a big feast and celebration. The feast and celebration will be best if we don't get drowned out with a massive afternoon thunderstorm such as we had 2 weeks ago causing a flash flood. The firepit is being prepared right now for the 24 hour whole hog roasting. This event takes more than 20 people working hard to stage it plus many additional volunteers lending a hand for a few hours. Then there is the leave no trace cleanup. The fire tenders rotate through every two hours. According to the weather reports the chance of rain today is 40% and tomorrow 30%. As these are seasonal monsoonal afternoon thundershowers that can mean anything from some thunder in the distance to a couple of drops making it to the ground to 4 inches in 20 minutes. The forcast is identical for the next 8 days. That is one reason for a 1pm scheduled start as the rains don't hit until after 5 usually. It's not quite Camelot. The band is always set up under shelter to avoid water/electrical problems. A good time is expected by all.

III
08-26-2011, 09:40 PM
III,

All I can say, is that I am glad you have found a path that apparently works very well FOR YOU.

I never argue with whatever works.

Still, diversity applies. One man's remedy may well be another man's poison.

I very much appreciate what you are sharing about you path, but there are other approaches as well, each of which I'm sure can be backed up by this or that reference...

For example -one person, fully self-integrated, fully balanced and complete in shim's (note the pronoun) Androgyny, may be able to achieve 'more' that many group endeavors.

However, I do not, in any way, dismiss group or couple practices.

If anything, I recognize the power of amplification in morphic resonance.

I simply advocate diversity. There is more than one way to skin a cat :)

And then there is the Universal Way - which can not ever be a 'Path' :)

Hi Androgynus,

I am not disagreeing at all about diversity.

Still, diversity applies. One man's remedy may well be another man's poison.

As Ferdinand Feghoot said to his son at the cannibals feast "One man's meat is another man's poi, son"

As alchemy, as much as anything, might be said to be about "know thy self", recognizing our fears and and our taboos, and various systems are about breaking our taboos head-on to see what is behind them. That is a frequent justification for an Alchemical meal with meat in a vegetarian society. It doesn't hurt the ceremonial effects that the meat also contains natural b12s and other components such that can rapidly enhance neurological functioning in a vegetarian person chronically deficienct of these items. From a taboo breaking viewpoint a vegan ceremonial meal might be useful as well. The "four gifts of the cow" ritual meal certainly breaks my taboos with cow urine, cow manure, milk and meat as the components. This is more often choosen by extreme ascetics and renuciates to show that all of our choices are prejudice and taboos. Fresh cow manure does contain some b12, and fermented manure even more. Yum Yum.

The "living water" has an interesting history in Alchemical ritual and is said to have gotten the Templars in trouble. The "living water", usually identified as semen has often been ritually and medicinally consumed because of its "energy" content. Aside from the the idea of the living "seed" within, science also shows an extremely rich mix of sugars, amino acids, prostiglandins and 200 times as much TransCobalamin 2 as blood by volume. If b12 is in place in this transporter protein, it becomes HoloTranscobalamin 2, 5cc of semen can contain as much b12 as a full liter of blood, enough to stop a person from dying of pernicious anemia for a little while, and a suitable daily dose enough to keep a person from dying indefinitely, at least from pernicious anemia. It is an evolutionary biology mystery as to why there is potentially such a huge amount of b12 in semen. If the person is undergoing "megaloblastic madness" (b12 deficiency psychosis) it can be reversed in days. It has a widespread history of use as a medicine, frequently taken fresh and straight from the source. All of these substances can be absorbed from semen through the tissues, rubbed on the epidermis, orally and vaginally. Once again we have some science behind some of the rituals. I for one am always interested in seeing which rituals have at least some science behind them.


I simply advocate diversity. There is more than one way to skin a cat :)

I have never had the experience of skinning a feline in so far as I remember, though I have considerable experience defurring a few with wet and dry, electric and blade shaving methods. Modern waxing and shaving methods are much quicker and easier than the traditional plucking with clamshells by several servent girls or young priestessess in training. I've met a few folks with past life fears of clam shell plucking. In this you never know what one might run into.

An interesting and obscure "Intiation of the ONE" done for a short time with Ankenaton for Aten the sun god and ONLY god, an early attempt at monotheism, is to annoint one's entire (preferably hairless) body with basically a very tar-like sticky hash-oil, take a heftty ceremonial dose in a drink and be enclosed in a small dark space filled with the smoke of burning incense base (hash) until the Aten blossoms out of the darkness and fills one with light. That one can be duplicated easily today.

I'm also an initiated priestess. I have the versitility in energies to work with men and women. I am skilled in weaving (there is that "tantra" again) a circle of men and women into a unified whole for spiritual work. I can also carry on either side of the "channeled" (divine male and divine female) esoteric conversations known as a tantra, typically attributed to be the conversations between Shiva and Shakti on esoteric and esoteric sexual matters.

I think perhaps I am far more diversified than you might have expected. I can go straight to just about anybody's fears, blocks and prejudices and help work them through it.. For that matter many men in particular appear to react with considerable fear to my energy whereas women don't.

Andro
08-26-2011, 11:07 PM
many men in particular appear to react with considerable fear to my energy.

Does this also apply to gay men, or only to heteros?

In other words - do openly and self-secure gay men react with the same fear to your energy as heteros do?

I'm really curious about this ...


I can also carry on either side of the "channeled" (divine male and divine female)...

How about BOTH sides simultaneously?


It has a widespread history of use as a medicine, frequently taken fresh and straight from the source.

Have you? (taken it fresh and 'straight' from the source)?
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As for the rest... COOL :)

I'm sure you have already made quite a few people uncomfortable with this last post :)

(not me, though :p)

:cool:

III
08-27-2011, 04:21 AM
Does this also apply to gay men, or only to heteros?

In other words - do openly and self-secure gay men react with the same fear to your energy as heteros do?

I'm really curious about this ...



How about BOTH sides simultaneously?



Have you? (taken it fresh and 'straight' from the source)?
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As for the rest... COOL :)

I'm sure you have already made quite a few people uncomfortable with this last post :)

(not me, though :p)

:cool:



http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15908#post15908)
many men in particular appear to react with considerable fear to my energy.





In other words - do openly and self-secure gay men react with the same fear to your energy as heteros do?

I'm really curious about this ...

I honestly don't know the answer to that. When they were trying to beat the crap out of me I didn't stop to ask their orientation. Also when others were doing a fast fade instead, I didn't stop them to ask. It's not a question I normally ask in any case. I think many find my energy confusing because it isn't what anybody expects. It goes way outside most folks "normal" ranges in totally unexpected ways.




http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15908#post15908)
It has a widespread history of use as a medicine, frequently taken fresh and straight from the source.




Have you? (taken it fresh and 'straight' from the source)?

No. It has always been as elixer of life after mingling with the female "medicines" and energies in the reactive chalice as such. Ancient alters had catchbasins to collect the mingled charged fluids so as not a drop to be wasted and used as a sacrement. To stretch it out in a larger group the fluids are typically mixed with wine or ocassionally brandy. My preferance is certainly to drink the several female "medicines" directly from the 4 petaled pink lotus.

In the linga puja done symbolically with the stone Shiva Linga milk and honey is poured over the stone and consumed. With the living linga the "milk and honey" is produced via anointing of said linga done with the proper reverence, adoration and energies. This can often be done for an hour or two making sure off a larger volume and charging with the correct energies which everybody joins in The symbolic yoni puja is done with a picture or sculpture and milk and honey again poured over and consumed. In the mildest form of the living yoni puja the milk and honey is poured over the vulva and collected and drunk. All this done again with adoration and properly sacred energies and mood. In the next form the yoni is massaged and rubbed, either by the priestess herself or another and the several fluids produced at various stages of orgasm are collected and consumed. If done very precisely first comes the milky colored honey consistancy liquid, then a clear but thickened liquid and finally the watery but very sweet like honey or maple syrup liquid, each having it's own charge of energies and medicinal characteristics. In the final form of the yoni puja in addition to the annointing intercourse is performed again in a way to be sure of producing all three forms for "milk and honey" along with the male "milk and honey" reacted in the "chalice" with the properly sequenced forms of orgasmic energies assuring the full energetic reactions and embedding of the energies in the elixer over several hours.

I make no claims at all for Hindu or Buddhist or whatever accuracy for any of this and don't really care. I don't do dogma and belief. I'm really quite practical. Learning to cultivate mood and energies and sharing them is what it is all about. This section probably should be copied over to the modern sexual alchemy posting because this is a part of it dealing with the generation of the elixer of life but not with the Alchemical Union as such. I do that later when I get back home. However as an alchemical procdure it is most excellent and you can tell when you get it right as amazing things happen. As with most alchemical procudres it needs to be done again and again as the method is perfected in it's performance. As the other participants are quite energetically active as well sometimes everything works correctly and sometimes it doesn't. It's like training a singing group except the song sung is energetic. It is deep invocational work at it's best.

And it is completely not PC in this safe sex and aids era. Absolute honesty and trust is essential.













http://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by IIIhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?p=15908#post15908)
I can also carry on either side of the "channeled" (divine male and divine female)...




How about BOTH sides simultaneously?

Actually I have. It was done as automatic writing intially with the character of the writing changed by which side and later left handed versus right handed on a keyboard when much of the hand written stuff being unreadable even by me. I can't write readably even now because of loss of small muscle coordination from the neurological damage of b12 deficiency. It was worse when it was done automatically and before any neurological recovery.

Just recently I was reading a book about Ramakrishna that described a number of his physical and other attributes, 100% of which lined up with severe b12 deficiency, from bloating to skin fragility to skin coloration, poor digestion, severe ataxia, having the "energy world" so loud and bright that seeing this world was almost impossible, and lack of toleration of most foods and many other attributes. Everything pointed out, without exception, was a b12 deficiency characteristic.


I'm sure you have already made quite a few people uncomfortable with this last post :)

I'm quite sure you are correct in that. That is perhaps my greatest talent.

Ghislain
08-27-2011, 04:57 AM
Uncomfortable?

Yes...matured manure :(

III, I notice in quite a few of your posts the mention of vitamin B12.

Why do you place so much importance on this over all the other vitamins?

Just curious

Ghislain

III
08-27-2011, 04:56 PM
Uncomfortable?

Yes...matured manure :(

III, I notice in quite a few of your posts the mention of vitamin B12.

Why do you place so much importance on this over all the other vitamins?

Just curious

Ghislain

Hi Ghislain,

Good question! The reason I place so much emphasis on this one, actually 2 forms of b12, and methylfolate is that these are the vitamins that are typically the most limitimg factor for perhaps 75% of people. Becasue inactive pseudo vitamins were identified as the real things in 1942 and 1948 and each awarded the Nobel prize. there are now 100,000,000 plus people in the USA alone sufferring from stealth deficiency diseases. These pseudo vitamin forms work on perhaps 1/3 of symptoms for more or less half the people and not at all for 20% (folic acid) or 33% (b12). So then the deficiencies get identified as 2/9 of the people-symptoms. The other 7/9 of the people have some mysterious uncurable problems that get worse and worse year by year and are completely untreatable at great expense and loads of side effects from a multitude of drugs.

Further lack of active b12s/folate both reduces the functioning of the nervous system and damages it over time making the alchemical work more difficult if not impossible. The" tantric meal" of the beef-steak, fish and whole grain variety can provide enough active b12s, active folate, b-complex, omega3, l-carnitine and other nutrients making spiritual experiences more likely and increasing the likelihood of beeing able to engage in the tantric rituals which ALL involve the energy systems and neurological systems of the body no matter what forms they take. That these functions of this specific food combination were found pragmatically by effect perhaps thousands of years ago in vegetarian societies I find interesting. In meat eating societies this aspect of spiritual/alchemical practice is ignored, not even mentioned. I have had an interest in how various things enter ritual systems.

Temporary expediances at one time becoome enshrined as sacred practice 100 years later with the reasons forever lost. In the Yogic literature I mentioned, the severe deficiencies Ramakrisha exhibeted become enshrined as signs of how great a Yogi he was when in actuallity he was a great Yogi mystic despite his illnesses and symptoms. It has been asked why so many of the great Yogis get so sick and die so young. If you look at the symptoms they were all vegetarians because of belief and sufferred the inevitable deficiencies that changed their bodies and eventually kill them.

I had the vegetarian crash at 39 and would have died shortly thereafter but the inactive forms of the vitamins were about 1% active for me saving my life, but barely.

theFool
08-28-2011, 08:54 PM
The "living water", usually identified as semen has often been ritually and medicinally consumed because of its "energy" content.
I would like to add something on this and stress out the significance of this liquid. There is a scientific survey, carried out by the State University of New York that concluded that semen can elevate the mood. Here some quotes (source: Semen acts as an anti-depressant (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-antidepressant.html)):
The study, which is bound to provoke controversy, showed that the women who were directly exposed to semen were less depressed. The researchers think this is because mood-altering hormones in semen are absorbed through the vagina. They say they have ruled out other explanations.

His team divided 293 female students into groups depending on how often their partners wore condoms, and assessed their happiness using the Beck Depression Inventory, a standard questionnaire for assessing mood.

The team found that women whose partners never used condoms scored 8 on average, those who sometimes used them scored 10.5, those who usually used them scored 15 and those who always used them scored 11.3. Women who weren't having sex at all scored 13.5.

What's more, the longer the interval since they last had sex, the more depressed the women who never or sometimes used condoms got.

In fact, the results aren't a complete surprise because semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen.
Semen has the "energy" to fuel the healing and transformation of a person. This is the reason why its retention, is sought after by almost all major esoteric traditions. Instead of making your woman happy by "donating" almost half a liter of blood every time you have intercourse, there are techniques to keep and reabsorb it for your own transformation.

III
08-29-2011, 09:04 PM
The "living water", usually identified as semen has often been ritually and medicinally consumed because of its "energy" content.

I would like to add something on this and stress out the significance of this liquid. There is a scientific survey, carried out by the State University of New York that concluded that semen can elevate the mood. Here some quotes (source: Semen acts as an anti-depressant (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-antidepressant.html)):
The study, which is bound to provoke controversy, showed that the women who were directly exposed to semen were less depressed. The researchers think this is because mood-altering hormones in semen are absorbed through the vagina. They say they have ruled out other explanations.



His team divided 293 female students into groups depending on how often their partners wore condoms, and assessed their happiness using the Beck Depression Inventory, a standard questionnaire for assessing mood.

The team found that women whose partners never used condoms scored 8 on average, those who sometimes used them scored 10.5, those who usually used them scored 15 and those who always used them scored 11.3. Women who weren't having sex at all scored 13.5.

What's more, the longer the interval since they last had sex, the more depressed the women who never or sometimes used condoms got.



In fact, the results aren't a complete surprise because semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen.



Semen has the "energy" to fuel the healing and transformation of a person. This is the reason why its retention, is sought after by almost all major esoteric traditions. Instead of making your woman happy by "donating" almost half a liter of blood every time you have intercourse, there are techniques to keep and reabsorb it for your own transformation..

Hi TheFool,


This is the reason why its retention, is sought after by almost all major esoteric traditions. Instead of making your woman happy by "donating" almost half a liter of blood every time you have intercourse, there are techniques to keep and reabsorb it for your own transformation. .

The main atrribution of benefit was said to be testosterone, in what amount for a healthy male, is inconsequential, in the study of women. At typical average serum level of cobalamim of a healthy meat eater is about 700pg/ml. This is the amount that can be supplied by eating a piece of steak or a few clams or oysters. However, in a culture that habitually starves itself of both active b12s, the TC2 that transports the b12 is not HOLOtranscobalamin 2 that contains b12. The same articles also mentioned that in a deficient population (vegetarian in essence) the TC 2 is unoccupied and carries little or no b12. Low b12 also leads to low testoserone, low hormones of all kinds, low neurotransmitters, low just about everything. It screws up the biochemistry considerably. Semen made from a deficienct poplation may have the potential to carry a lot of valuable things but doesn't.. Alchemy does engage in the production semen and is hindered in no way by lack of "retention" per se though ejaculation is controled but not eliminated or strongly restricted.. If there is any validity at all in such ideas it would be in a population of vegetarrians who are dependent for the occasional natural insect or manure in their food for gaining b12 so that 0.5 mcg of b12 represents a serious loss which isn't reagined in the "tantric " meal or a meal with b12 containing foods as a normal part of diet. One microgram of b12 makes for a 200pg/ml increase in serum level.

theFool
08-30-2011, 10:14 AM
Thanks for sharing your opinion III,
do you think that in our culture a typical man has enough b12 and is not severely deprived? I think you mention in previous posts that we are b12 deficient.
Despite the fact that we eat beef-steak and fish, we still are b12 deficient.

III
08-30-2011, 09:38 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion III,
do you think that in our culture a typical man has enough b12 and is not severely deprived? I think you mention in previous posts that we are b12 deficient.
Despite the fact that we eat beef-steak and fish, we still are b12 deficient.

Hi theFool,

There are several causes of folate deficiency for starters. For instance there is outright not eating enough which causes a classic low serum level folate. Then there is paradoxical folate deficiency that may depend upon genetics or other factors that makes folic acid and/or folinic acid non-utilizable by some percentage of people and can even block methylfolate in at least some of those people. This causes a the apearance of high serum folate while not actually being able to use the folate forms present and even blocking up to 10-20 times as much active folate. Then there is the "methyl-trap" folate deficiency caused by lack of active forms of b12 needed within the cell that then causes the methylfolate (active form) to be dumped from the cell where it is used into the serum where it measures high but is useless. Soemtimes they will do cellular folate tests but rarely. There may also be a CNS- brain & cord methylfolate deficiency despite sufficiency of methylfolate in the body.

Further there is an induced folate deficiency of the "methyl-trap" variety that can be induced by glutathione, glutathione precursors, NAC (a glutathione precursor) and/or un-denatured whey. Other things may also induce such. This is easily demonstrable. These symptoms are often called "detox" symptoms though they are quickly reversable by discontinuing the offending substance(s) and taking sizable doses of Metafolin and the correct brands and forms of b12 in the effective manner. Metafolin is a recently patented brand name methylfolate by Merck which is stable, avaialable as vitamin or prescription strengths.


Then with b12 deficiency it is more proper to talk of the 4 separate and distinguishable b12 deficiencies; body-methylb12, body-adenosylb12, CNS-methylb12 and CNS-adenosylb12. Each of these can exist independent of the others for a variety of reasons including most likely some genetic factors. Further, some studies show that at least beef-liver has had a decrease of 95% of b12 content in the last 50 years possibly due to cyanocobalamin being used to supplement cattle feed and replacing the active mb12/adb12 varieties obtained from natural sources, ie manure and insects, etc. 60 years of studies based on inactive forms of cobalamin used as vitamins (twinkie vitamins, they are already as oxidized as can be and hence more shelf stable) that only work on 2/9 of people-symptoms at best give a false view of what b12 deficiency manifests as. 7/9ths of active b12 people-symptoms are then not recognized as b12 deficiency symptoms becoming stealth deficiency diseases. It is estimated that 50% of people over 50 have lost enough stomach acid generation capacity to be unable to separate the b12 in food from the protiens to be absorbed. The evidence of both in blood tests is hidden by statistical methods. The alert level for large red cells used to be >93 or so and has since been moved up to >100 becasue the typical level of >96 would "be ignored by doctors if we allerted all of them" according to a major lab. Basically the abnormal diseased has become normal (statistically speaking) because the majority of the population has blood changes indicative of folate/b12 deficiencies, plus-minus 2 standard deviations.

Further evidence is the increasing amount of expensive to treat reproductive failure male and female, increasing erectile dysfunction, increasing inability to orgasm, increasing incidence of low testosterone, plus 300+ other symptoms including massive increases of all kinds of neurological and mitochondrial problems possibly including MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Autism, ALS, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and the list goes on and on. All of the named diseases feature low CNS levels of cobalamin and increased MMA or Hcy indicating low mb12 or adb12 or both. Chronic fatigue syndrome and Fibromyalgia can be treated and cured in many people with a suitable nutritional program with the correct forms and brands of folate and b12s taken in suitable manners.

In developing a questionaire for detection and differentiation of types of deficiencies I did a private study of approximately 1000 people listing their symptoms and their responses to the two most active brands of methylb12 and of adenosylb12. 50% of people responded within 2 hours. People with no symptoms had no response within 2 hours. The more symptoms people had the more responses they had within 2 hours. More than 85% of people with a suitable selection of symptoms from the eventual questionaire had noticable responses within 2 hours. Similar non-responders later responded if given methylfolate when it became available several years later.

This is the short form. There is FAR more information available and I can direct you to where you can find it.

I also intend to greatly expand my answer about semen retention and how it appears to making a virtue of a deficiency disease caused set of symptoms using Ramakrishna, of whom I think highly, as an example, who engaged in celebate tantra and remained celebate with his wife of decades.

Andro
08-30-2011, 09:54 PM
There is FAR more information available and I can direct you to where you can find it.

Please do (direct to where more info on this can be found), if you don't mind...

I am also very interested in researching this topic.

There used to be a brand of encapsulated animal part extracts (from an organic/free pasture farm). Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the company...

I remember some people with symptoms similar to those you mention reacting EXTREMELY well to those supplements, especially to beef liver and marrow supplements.

Thank you.

III
08-31-2011, 09:04 PM
Please do (direct to where more info on this can be found), if you don't mind...

I am also very interested in researching this topic.

There used to be a brand of encapsulated animal part extracts (from an organic/free pasture farm). Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the company...

I remember some people with symptoms similar to those you mention reacting EXTREMELY well to those supplements, especially to beef liver and marrow supplements.

Thank you.


Hi Androgynus,

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?11522-Active-B12-Protocol-Basics
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?188-B-12-The-Hidden-Story

And there is a lot of similar and additional material on the foum that used to be "wrongdiagnosis.com" which now has had a mname change. As the threads other than the basics discusses people's experiences and ideas, there are didfferences from forum to forum based on differences in people and assumptions. and experiences. Unfortunately this information is really on the leading edge and while there are a lot of peer reviewed journal articles linked and discussed, there are not any that put it all together as these forums do.

Andro
08-31-2011, 09:35 PM
Thank you very much, III.

I already have a point of reference to validate the effectiveness of this info, because I have witnessed positive effects in people taking a similar approach for such symptoms, with certain supplements which are very much in line with what you are describing. I wish I could remember the name of the (US) company that makes them, they were truly outstanding.... All this makes me even more interested in further researching this topic. I'll be able to comment more after doing my homework and studying the linked materials :)

Thanks again!

III
08-31-2011, 09:50 PM
As I am sure that I will NOT have time to do the whole thing at one sitting, Let's call this SEMEN RETENTION, Part 1.

Let's take a look at a few medical and scientific things we know and some recent research that may or may not apply. First, the sperm have no mitochondria, generate no energy and carry no b12 of either form. The egg carries mitochondria that always passes via the female line. The mitochondria in the single cell of the egg has b12 occupying the appropriate parking space to supply that cell with energy, but no great surplus. After implantation and a blood supply is established the b12 and other nutrients can come from the blood supply of the mother. Until then, during the early stage of cell reproduction all the mb12/mfolate available for DNA replication and then all the adb12 for mitochondria in the new cells has to come from somewhere, presumably semen, as that is where the TC2 (HTC2 when filled with b12) is located. At maximum load 5ml of semen could contain as much as 1 mcg of b12. Without the mb12 there is no cell replication and without the adb12 there are no living cells making ATP in the mitochondria. A recent study of autism found a linkage to "older" fathers. B12 absorbtion in meat eaters falls off with age. As b12 absorbtion falls off serum level falls off and low serum levels lead to low levels of b12 in semen. Whether there is possible causality here or not has not been examined at all. The "older fathers" linkage has barely been made and verified. Reasons haven't been looked for yet.

According to various studies the amount of cyanide tobacco in one cigarette may range from 2mcg and up per cigarette or other similar amount of tobacco. 1 mcg of cyanide (CN) can destroy approximately 70mcg of methylb12 by the mb12 combining with the cyanide and thereby detoxifying it. One cigarette can remove as much active b12 from the body as an ejaculation with the maximum amount possible of b12 every other day for a year. Let's keep things in perspective. A typical meat eater is said to consume 5-10mcg per day. A typical 1000mcg sublingual supplement of mb12 may allow 150-330mcg of mb12 to be absorbed depending upon correct technique. Even just swallowing it will result in 10mcg or more being absorbed.

Ramakrishna, a well known Yogi who aided the re-establishment of non-dualism, was a life long vegetarian. The physical descriptions of him including skin color, skin fragility, "reeling" when he walked (severe ataxia), inability to focus "here and now" including loss of train of thought (common b12 deficiency symptom), "stoutness" (bloating), inability to tolerate or digest many foods ( very common b12 deficiency symptoms) and a number of other characteristics that don't come to mind at the moment are described in various books about him. These attributes were all attributed to his being a great Yogi. These b12 deficiency symptoms were sanctified.

He also was known to smoke "flavored tobacco" which often include cloves in India, which numb the tissues allowing a great deal of unfelt tissue damage. He died of throat cancer. Many forms of cancer are being studied as possibly being caused by faulty DNA replication caused by b12 deficiency.

Some additional common b12 deficiency symptoms.

reduced libido - loss of sexual desire and ability to function sexually
general reproductive failure
loss of orgasmic intensity
unsatisfying orgasms
inability to orgasm
inability to ejaculate
loss and/or change of genital sensations - "gloved" loss of sensation
burning genital skin sensation
unable to become aroused
reduced testosterone
erectile disfunction
low sperm count
poor sperm motility
Poor sperm quality
Zero sperm count
post partum depression
post partum psychosis
False positive pap smears, noncancerous cellular changes
menstrual symptoms
Frequent miscarriage
child with neuro tube defects
PMS

The inabilility to perform sexually would also be santified in this situation as were the obvious b12 deficiency symptoms that were santified and taken as an affirmation of his being a GREAT Yogi.

More to come.

theFool
09-01-2011, 01:47 PM
This is the short form. There is FAR more information available and I can direct you to where you can find it.

I find this information important. Please continue with your explanation. It may take some time for me to "digest" your theory but it seems to be significant. As I understand it now, you mean that a large part of the population has some kind of megaloblastic anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaloblastic_anemia) due to B12 deficiency. If the cause is due to inability to properly digest food the condition is named as pernicious anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pernicious_anemia).

I keep also that there are 4 types of B12 anemia and that the MCV value of the red cells can be indicatve if there is B12 deficiency (However, I suppose that even if MCV is low deficiency may still be present, no?).

It is interesting to know more.

Ghislain
09-01-2011, 03:54 PM
Perhaps this is why there are so many obese people these days.

Maybe they sense they are lacking something and so keep eating in the
hope that it will be replaced; never really knowing what the 'it' is.

Ghislain

Seth-Ra
09-01-2011, 04:11 PM
"What is it?"

Hehe, mana pun. ^.^




~Seth-Ra

Andro
09-01-2011, 04:25 PM
There used to be a brand of encapsulated animal part extracts (from an organic/free pasture farm). Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the company...

I made a few calls and found out the name of the company.

It's called Standard Process (http://www.standardprocess.com).

HERE (http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=78) is an example of one of their supplements.

III
09-04-2011, 10:42 PM
I find this information important. Please continue with your explanation. It may take some time for me to "digest" your theory but it seems to be significant. As I understand it now, you mean that a large part of the population has some kind of megaloblastic anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaloblastic_anemia) due to B12 deficiency. If the cause is due to inability to properly digest food the condition is named as pernicious anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pernicious_anemia).

I keep also that there are 4 types of B12 anemia and that the MCV value of the red cells can be indicatve if there is B12 deficiency (However, I suppose that even if MCV is low deficiency may still be present, no?).

It is interesting to know more.

Hi TheFool,

There are 4 distinct b12 deficiency syndroms, ONE of which can include macrocytic anemia which includes the anemia of "pernicious anemia" which technically is "intrinsic factor insufficiency" rather than the actual macrocytic anemia resulting from said insufficiency of intinsic factor for absorbtion of b12. One reason for intrinsic factor insufficiency is an autoimmune disease that forms antibodies to intrinsic factor itself or to the cells that make intrinsic factor. Another cause of lack of b12 absorbtion is a falloff in the production of stomach acid needed to separate the b12 from the protein containing it for any of several reasons including age. A significant portion of the population has macrocytic characteristics that fall short of outright macrocytic anemia which may be caused by either methylfolate deficiency and/or body-methylb12 deficiency.

In addition to macrocytic anemia there are approximately 400 other symptoms or conditions that might occur becasue of mb12/adb12/methylfolate deficiencies of the brain/cord and/or body. Actual pernicious anemia is quite rare; perhaps 1% of people with mb12/adb12/mfolate deficiencies actually have it. Doctors that believe that myth, and many do, will be wrong 99% of the time. The posted at the previous links symptoms list includes only about 300 symtoms etc. A new list is under preparqation with about 400 such symptoms. The folate deficiency symptoms have become more identifiable recently as well but there is a very large overlap becasue they are significant cofactors in many transactions, such as result in macrocytic red cells.

The CNS-adb12 and CNS-mb12 deficiencies never result in macro red cells. They do result in all sorts of neurological and neurophsychiatric problems affecting the physical funtioning of the nerves, the development of dymyemlination areas, mood changes, personality changes, sensory changes, multisensory halluciantions and outright extreme psychosis. In full detail there are probably 150 mood, personanality and neuro/neuropshyc symptoms alone.

A high MCV only indicates that there is a problem present. A "normal" MCV only indicates that there isn't that specific symptom. There could be 400 others. My the time there is high MCV there could be 200 or more other symtpoms.

III
09-08-2011, 02:37 AM
How do you mean "guiding" her?

Sorry for the loss!!!



Sounds fun... if you have the chance please document with words and/or photos of this ecstasy!

:cool:

HI Dev,

Sounds fun... if you have the chance please document with words and/or photos of this ecstasy!

I finally had a chance to tell you about this. Oh but for the "best laid plans ...". I ended up in a car picking up my preistess friend who had some travel trouble and we missed the entire event. The others planned for involvement also had their own individual emergencies. This just wasn't to be. However, the two of us had a fine alchemical time time in the next few days. The feast and dancing went on just fine without any of us. Oh well....

III
09-08-2011, 02:39 AM
I made a few calls and found out the name of the company.

It's called Standard Process (http://www.standardprocess.com).

HERE (http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=78) is an example of one of their supplements.

I am familiar with these folks though I have never used their supplements. I have a large amount of damage neurologically and require large mb12 (30mg injected daily plus 18mg sublingulal) doses several times a day to just keep things on a more or less even keel of functionality.

III
09-08-2011, 04:06 AM
Many strange theories and hypothesis get proposed in the absence of knowledge. So a theroretical basis for semen retention is defined by one group as being a hollow tube going from testicles to brain actually carrying semen to the brain to nourish the brain. In a period before widespread physiological knowledge, dissections, MRI, CT, X-ray etc a hool tube going from testicles to brain might seem reasonable. As a basis for semen retention it is shear unadulterated nonsense in any physiological sense. Now if a person were to speak of the vagus nerve orgasm or something of a sort, and the vagus nerve an energy carrying channel going straight from parts of the genitals to the brain, that could make a lot of physiological sense

The sexually active form of Tantra, called "Heroic", in the 3 categories laid out in traditional Hindu Tantra, might appear to need the strength and stamina of a hero. It does take a fair amount of stamina and ability to produce energy, such as the amount a 60 year old man might be able to generate in a 5 mile walk, to do the "Heroic" tantra.

An excellent book on tantra,
Indecent Practices and Erotic Trance: Making Sense of Tantra by a Jungian therapist is at http://www.jrhaule.net/ipet.html. It is a free download.

This book can tell you a great deal and is written in a clear fashion by somebody who isn't trying to obsfucate the subject.

There can be considerable disagreement as to what constitutes "orgasm" or stages of orgasm or "cosmic orgasm" or any of the above, so don't get hung up on words and many different opinions. Can an orgasm last for hours? Various types of ecstacy can and do. So I suppose that depends upon what you want to call those experiences that last for hours and hours.

A prerequisite normally given in most fields of metaphysical study is that one should be in good health. In practice one has to start where-ever one is.

In my OPINION the whole business about semen retention AS "semen retention" is sort of putting the cart before the horse. In the practice of a variety of tantric/taoist sexual practices (I claim no purity of dogma of any kind, no "authenticity", no "authoritative" or any other kind of anything representing any pure line of Tantra from anywhere) if the guy has an ejaculation then the energy building tends to come to a halt rather quickly for some period. So in actually it might be looked at more at ejaculation avoidance rather than "semen retention" as such. Semen retention has been found to be quite unhealthy in recent years. Fewer than several ejaculations per week appears to lead to increased prostate cancer. Fresh sperm produces better babies more of the time. The old advice, for much of the 20th and early 21st century used to be not to ejaculate for several days to increase volume and hence increase total sperm when you want to mnake babies. Now the advice is to make sure the sperm is fresh by ejaculating each day or two prior to conception so as to have no old stale sperm.

As several sources may point out "bypassing" ejaculation is not necessarily the same as suppressing ejaculation. How it is done makes all the difference. The point is to allow the energy to keep building in the practice of ecstacy. When one participates with a woman in erotic trance going through the seven (nine- I don't care which way it is described and a case can be made for either) stages of orgasm while experiencing them with her an ejaculation might bring a halt to the whole thing. A quick ejaculation brings Maithuna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maithuna) to a rapid end. If an erection is needed in the particular practice, ejaculation usually puts an end to most erections fairly qiuckly. So there are plenty of good reasons to learn control of ejaculation, not a single one of which has to do with any particular reason to retain semen, which is an effect of such control. At some point in the Alchemical sex practice ejaculation does occur, after the necessary steps of energization and energy interactions with the female, production of the needed female fluids and finally the production of the semen to be reacted in the living alchemical chalice (vagina) to produce the elixer. This whole process can take literally hours of meditative sex and does require a certain amount of stamina, but nothing extreme for a person in reasonable physical condition. However it is quite impossible for so many reasons for a person debilitated by b12 deficiency and not having the physical or physio-sexual or neurological nor sexual-neurological capacities.

When unusual sexual practices were cause for being tortured and murdered it was wise to disguise what was being done. When one literally is unable to engage in certain practices, virtual forms not requiring any physical participation, would need to be developed. And in many societies a "health" justification for unusual sexual practices appears to be an attempt to "legitamize" the sexual practices.

So now boys and men can justify "an ejaculation a day to keep prostate cancer away". It doesn't cause hairy palms, insanity, feeble mindedness or many other things once blamed on masturbation. Intercourse without a condom has been shown in studies to affect the mood of the female from perhaps any of several casues and may even affect health. There are many questions yet to be asked in research becasue they had been taboo until recently.

I can't picture a study in the 1950 being funded or allowed to ask "What are the health benefits of male and female masturbation". The whole idea was taboo.

As a practicing Alchemist I only am mentioning what has worked for me and I have a lot of memories of doing this for along time. There are lots of people who won't agree with me. There are also a lot of variations and practices and as has been pointed out before many ways to defur the proverbial feline.

I have taught these methods to a variety of people. I read about them in a variety of books by others trying to describe what they do. There are many ways to describe any specific practice. Some things are passed along because they have been passed along for a long time without any actual operational testing. Some hypothesies are more effective than other hypothesies.

I may have a few more things to say along these lines but this is it at the moment.

Ghislain
09-08-2011, 05:58 AM
I am sure there are good arguments for and against the practice of
semen retention.

However I do have one question.

What happens to a man who has had a vasectomy?

He still produces Semen, is he therefore in more danger
of prostate cancer?

Ghislain

III
09-09-2011, 09:41 PM
I am sure there are good arguments for and against the practice of
semen retention.

However I do have one question.

What happens to a man who has had a vasectomy?

He still produces Semen, is he therefore in more danger
of prostate cancer?

Ghislain

Hi Ghislain,

Vasectomy doesn't put an end to ejaculation of semen, only to sperm content, and that can take 6 months or more.




Once sexual activity is comfortable for you, it is important to resume ejaculation, since it takes between 10 and 20 ejaculations before any remaining sperm is released. In fact, sperm can remain in the semen for three to six months following your vasectomy


Read more: http://www.vasectomy.com/ProcedureDetail.asp?siteid=V&id=6#ixzz1XUv50TUi

Seth-Ra
09-09-2011, 09:54 PM
Semen itself is water soluble - it and blood mix rather well considering the water content within the blood. Sperm are not water soluble - a sort of "fixed salt", as it were, same goes for the iron/platelets of blood which will settle to the bottom. The semen & water are a sort of Mercury between the Black Earth of Blood, and the White Salt of Seed. Their is also a thing of Life itself, as each sperm is, in essence, a possible human - think of all the possible human lives youre sacrificing as if they were a plant or some common mineral ingredient! :D :D :D
Make the Fixed to be Volatile and the Volatile to be Fixed. It all comes down to the Life of these matters - and their respective signatures, Yin-Yang between them, and within them. They form 2 halves of the same puzzle, which are 4 (Yin-Yang), which become (in proper sequence) the unified and purified 3, which congeal into 1.

As Above, So Below - As Within, So Without.


:cool:

~Seth-Ra

III
09-10-2011, 08:26 PM
Semen itself is water soluble - it and blood mix rather well considering the water content within the blood. Sperm are not water soluble - a sort of "fixed salt", as it were, same goes for the iron/platelets of blood which will settle to the bottom. The semen & water are a sort of Mercury between the Black Earth of Blood, and the White Salt of Seed. Their is also a thing of Life itself, as each sperm is, in essence, a possible human - think of all the possible human lives youre sacrificing as if they were a plant or some common mineral ingredient! :D :D :D
Make the Fixed to be Volatile and the Volatile to be Fixed. It all comes down to the Life of these matters - and their respective signatures, Yin-Yang between them, and within them. They form 2 halves of the same puzzle, which are 4 (Yin-Yang), which become (in proper sequence) the unified and purified 3, which congeal into 1.

As Above, So Below - As Within, So Without.


:cool:

~Seth-Ra

Hi Seth-Ra,

... , as each sperm is, in essence, a possible human - think of all the possible human lives youre sacrificing as if they were a plant or some common mineral ingredient!


Not exactly. Should we have a round of the "Every Sperm Is Sacred" by Monty Python? Each sperm is an incomplete cell. It has the male "Y" chromosome in half of them, and the other chromosomes. Not a single one is a potential human life no matter what you do with it except for combining it with the female half-cell, the egg. It has no mitochondria and survives a few days after expulsion only in a friendly environment They make no energy and have no life or function except to be on standby just in case a suitable egg might be avaialble. The sprem are produced by the hundreds of millions by each fertile man each day of his fertile life. A single man could produce at least 1,460,000,000,000 (1.46 trillion) offspring if each sperm were actually a potential life. just assuming 100,000,000 sperm a day for 40 years. Those numbers are similar to each and every male of any species which produces sperm in vast profusion. Instead what we have is a trllion possible variations of any particular half-set of genes that when combined with a specific female half-set in an egg in a box we end up with a specific cat when we open that box and see what potential has become realized. So each sperm from a given male is a similar yet different half-set of genes that gives a partial description of a potential human body. Not even the mandrake plant is made by depositing sperm in the woods as was once believed.

Given the vast and continuous production, not even controled by season, condition of having a female partner whose pheramones might trigger production, or how often one has intercourse or even how often one ejaculates, it is clear that there is no siginificant feedback mechanism to control a "valuable" resource. We have many homeostassis mechanisms in the body to control and maintain a balance of valuable resourses. Sperm production isn't shut down until the body is well into any of several starvation modes with more and more defective sperm being made before that point is reached, just as skin stops repairing itself and sloughing off old skin cells as the body goes into starvation. Instead it is a throwaway substance that flows continuously from the specilized sperm making cells in the testes which is can be cleared out as frequently as desired and for more reliably making good quality babies should be regularly cleared out before attempting the making of a baby.

The semen itself carries a gift for the female to absorb in the form of various biological substances including nutrients and hormones and for getting the fertilized egg off to a good start and used by the sperm themselves to survive a few days until fertilization occurs. These materials can also be absorbed transdermally orally and problably other places. Many of the substances are too fragile to be absorbed digenstively and are just broken down to basic amino acids and such. The total content are a few calories worth of various substances most present in mcg to mg quantities.

Not contained in the semen are the endorphins and hormones generated by the people involved by the several hours of ecstacy which are generated whether the semen is expelled or not. These are missed almost entirely in a 20 minute quickie.

Seth-Ra
09-10-2011, 10:18 PM
Hey, thanks for missing the Hermetical point, and seeing it from a dead scientific one, props for that. :p
All is alive, at various frequencies and vibrational levels. From a fully grown human being, to the smallest quark that makes him/her up.

So many millions/billions/trillions - whatever, of life to be sacrificed for a single child (occasionally twins, triplets, etc.) to be conceived - its the story of our lives. From the moment of conception, to the time of decomposition - death on a high scale, simply to sustain your existence. Equivalence.

All for One, and One for All. Each cell, each atom, each quark - All for the One, the One who works for the whole of the All. You have to spend life to make life - internal or external, the Stone requires Life. "Kill one, its murder, kill millions, its conquest." <-- this applies. Your continued existence requires death on a high scale - by the Art make it higher - thus raise yourself higher, and that of others. (i.e. go for the millions, not the one. ;) ).

Try to see the concepts, archetypes and principles, and not be blinded by the black veil of the vulgar supposed knowledge that holds the attention of the masses.

Good luck, and happy searching.




~Seth-Ra

Ghislain
09-11-2011, 06:32 AM
Hi Ghislain,

Vasectomy doesn't put an end to ejaculation of semen, only to sperm content, and that can take 6 months or more.




Once sexual activity is comfortable for you, it is important to resume ejaculation, since it takes between 10 and 20 ejaculations before any remaining sperm is released. In fact, sperm can remain in the semen for three to six months following your vasectomy


Read more: http://www.vasectomy.com/ProcedureDetail.asp?siteid=V&id=6#ixzz1XUv50TUi

Yes I stand corrected...I was only thinking of the sperm.

A friend of mine recently decided to have children with
his new partner. He had a vasectomy years ago...
The doctors went in with a needle, extracted his sperm...
not sure of all the details, but he now has twins.

I didn't realise they could do that, I thought you had to get
the vasectomy reversed. Amazing!

The twins seem fine and he obviously wasn't clearing
out the old sperm through ejaculation. Given that a man
ejaculates approx 0.01% of all the sperm produced, I am
sure this is a process that the body performs automatically.

Ghislain

III
09-12-2011, 02:00 AM
Yes I stand corrected...I was only thinking of the sperm.

A friend of mine recently decided to have children with
his new partner. He had a vasectomy years ago...
The doctors went in with a needle, extracted his sperm...
not sure of all the details, but he now has twins.

I didn't realise they could do that, I thought you had to get
the vasectomy reversed. Amazing!

The twins seem fine and he obviously wasn't clearing
out the old sperm through ejaculation. Given that a man
ejaculates approx 0.01% of all the sperm produced, I am
sure this is a process that the body performs automatically.

Ghislain

Hi Ghislin,

The "better quality" children comment comes from recent research.on the subject which may not have been replicated. As far as total quantity of sperm in the average ejaulcate volume, it would be about 300,000,000 per 5 ml average volume and
The average sperm count today is around 60 million per milliliter in the Western world, having decreased by 1-2% per year from a substantially higher number decades ago.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen_analysis#cite_note-7)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen_analysis



That minus 1-2% per year is probably tied in to increase in toxins and decrease in nutrition quality along with some possible genetic influence.. The second generation of assisted reproduction is upon us. If your parents required techological assistance to reproduce, the odds are increased that you will need it too.

In the short run ejaculation can keep up with sperm production. Over the long haul, most sperm made does indeed become reabsorbed as do other dead cells and cellular debris. After a vasectomy all sperm is reabsorbed.

The doctors went in with a needle, extracted his sperm...
not sure of all the details, but he now has twins.

The sperm extracted this way needs a little processing to be fully functional but it does work and is an alternative to reversing the vasectomy.

solomon levi
09-12-2011, 05:47 PM
Hi Seth-Ra,

... , as each sperm is, in essence, a possible human - think of all the possible human lives youre sacrificing as if they were a plant or some common mineral ingredient!


Not exactly. Should we have a round of the "Every Sperm Is Sacred" by Monty Python? Each sperm is an incomplete cell. It has the male "Y" chromosome in half of them, and the other chromosomes. Not a single one is a potential human life no matter what you do with it except for combining it with the female half-cell, the egg. It has no mitochondria and survives a few days after expulsion only in a friendly environment They make no energy and have no life or function except to be on standby just in case a suitable egg might be avaialble. The sprem are produced by the hundreds of millions by each fertile man each day of his fertile life. A single man could produce at least 1,460,000,000,000 (1.46 trillion) offspring if each sperm were actually a potential life. just assuming 100,000,000 sperm a day for 40 years. Those numbers are similar to each and every male of any species which produces sperm in vast profusion. Instead what we have is a trllion possible variations of any particular half-set of genes that when combined with a specific female half-set in an egg in a box we end up with a specific cat when we open that box and see what potential has become realized. So each sperm from a given male is a similar yet different half-set of genes that gives a partial description of a potential human body. Not even the mandrake plant is made by depositing sperm in the woods as was once believed.

Given the vast and continuous production, not even controled by season, condition of having a female partner whose pheramones might trigger production, or how often one has intercourse or even how often one ejaculates, it is clear that there is no siginificant feedback mechanism to control a "valuable" resource. We have many homeostassis mechanisms in the body to control and maintain a balance of valuable resourses. Sperm production isn't shut down until the body is well into any of several starvation modes with more and more defective sperm being made before that point is reached, just as skin stops repairing itself and sloughing off old skin cells as the body goes into starvation. Instead it is a throwaway substance that flows continuously from the specilized sperm making cells in the testes which is can be cleared out as frequently as desired and for more reliably making good quality babies should be regularly cleared out before attempting the making of a baby.

The semen itself carries a gift for the female to absorb in the form of various biological substances including nutrients and hormones and for getting the fertilized egg off to a good start and used by the sperm themselves to survive a few days until fertilization occurs. These materials can also be absorbed transdermally orally and problably other places. Many of the substances are too fragile to be absorbed digenstively and are just broken down to basic amino acids and such. The total content are a few calories worth of various substances most present in mcg to mg quantities.

Not contained in the semen are the endorphins and hormones generated by the people involved by the several hours of ecstacy which are generated whether the semen is expelled or not. These are missed almost entirely in a 20 minute quickie.


Well, I found this informative. Thanks III.

III
09-25-2011, 07:10 AM
I have a few more things to say about this whole semen retention thing.First a quote -

The Yellow Emperor’s Plain Girl Classic says this aboutejaculation:

“Upon the first sensation of ejaculation, if you control it correctly, you will strengthen yourself andenhance your virility. Here are the benefits of restraining ejaculations:

· Restraining the second ejaculation will clear the ears and eyes.

· Restraining the third ejaculation will rid the joints and musclesof the body of soreness and ailment.

· Restraining the fourth ejaculation will strengthen the fiveinternal organs.

· Restraining the fifth ejaculation will regulate all the pulses ofthe body.

· Restraining the sixth ejaculation will strengthen the spine andwaist.

· Restraining the seventh ejaculation will strengthen the buttocksand thighs.

· Restraining the eighth ejaculation will bring youthful color tothe skin and a smooth, robust complexion.

· Restraining the ninth ejaculation will naturally increaselongevity.

· Restraining the tenth ejaculation will lead you to immorality.”

All of these "restraints" can happen in one session. In fact itdoesn't have to stop there. There can be 30-40 "restraints" or evenmore. However, the purpose is not about retaining semen. There has grown to bea whole mythology on that score. (my interpretation)

There is a whole lot of misunderstanding that can occur. I keep coming backto Ramakrishna and Vivekanada. I'm a non-dualist mystic very much in a jnanamystical direction with balanced methods in an approximately tantric alchemy.By profession I am a systems analyst.

What I am trying to say I don't know how to say in a linear A>B>C>... fashion so I will present a matrix of ideas.

If you look at the Wikipedia page on "higher consciousness" youcan get a snapshot of the problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_consciousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_consciousness)

There are probably dozens of varieties of named "higherconsciousness" modes including "Christ Consciousness","Buddha Consciousness", "Krishna Consciousness" and manyothers and every possible variation not yet realized. To the careful observerthey are all very similar yet different. Each represents, in one way of sayingit, a different synthesis. To put it in an OOM (Object Oriented Metaphysics) terminologyeach of these named varieties is a different instancing of the root class withvariations apparent if studied carefully. Each has its proponents. Each has aslightly different focus, orientation, terminology, understanding etc.

There are those who choose to follow a specific "way" to aspecific synthesis, a specific instancing. Once "found" or"instanced" each of these are eternally accessible as that is part ofa very real and practical "rules" set in yoga on claiming something"new", the experience itself, the "chamber" can't be secretand it has to be teachable and it has to be accessible and confirmed by thoseskilled in the art and it has to be compatible with (can't invalidate) whatpreceded it also abiding with those "rules".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakir)

In the Fourth Way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Way)teaching of G. I. Gurdjieff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._I._Gurdjieff)the word "fakir" is used to denote the specifically physical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body) path of development,compared with the word "yogi" (which Gurdjieff used for a path of mental (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind) development) and"monk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk)" (which he used forthe path of emotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion)development).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakir#cite_note-14)

There are also those who choose to do that most difficult of tasks, evolvetheir own synthesis, their own instancing of the conscious individual.. Thedegree of that realization can vary. An old saying "All Sufis are equalbut some are Great Sufis."

Those doing a new instancing of this higher consciousness are doingsomething different than those who learn to tune in on and attach themselves toan existing instancing.

In the Christian-Moslem parts of the world there grew to be great hostilitytowards those taking a different approach; ie each other, Hindu, Buddhist,Tantric etc. Further even in those areas of the world that didn't go in thatdirection there was still much secrecy about teachings. Students would have toserve a trial period to prove their seriousness and reliability before beingtaught the secret teachings, composed of spoken and unspoken teachings.

Religions teach dogma, things that they say is "truth"."Schools" teach or purport to teach the "how to know". Manyof the things taught are methods for causing understanding through experience.I live in a Mormon area and my alchemical partner was raised Mormon. They"teach" various prayer "access" points the only way thosecan be taught, experientially though doing the prayer method with others. Theyteach their own "laying on of hands" healing access points andvarious other forms. I don't know of any way such things can be taught withwords. You "go there" and take the person learning with you.

In THE HIDDEN WORK by EJ Gold, he talks about a prayer method called"prayer absolute". In the book he has what I would call an inductionsequence. I have participated in this prayer in various groups. It works butNOT by reading it. Instead the persons doing the "prayer absolute"have to follow and perform the directions which are a sequence of"moods" to be entered in a specific order. If one follows andremembers the words they do not perform the prayer. If one does as suggestedthe words can't be remembered but the prayer is performed and the experienceremembered, especially if performed with a group who knows the access points.It is a “learn by doing” experience. Verbal understanding prevents performance;it puts one in the wrong neurological pathways, the wrong moods, not performingthe sequence.

Look at the rosary. It’s a reminder device for a sequence. While it haswords it is about the reminder for a series of moods linked to the mysteries.Mala beads perform similar functions. Prayer often isn't about words thoughsome find that a strange idea.

Looking at chakras we see a number of systems. The seven main chakra formfrom the Hindu world is very popular. It is often linked to Kundalini as anoverriding concept. Then in the Tibetan model there are more chakras and theyare located and named somewhat differently. There are 10 main chakras andthousands of secondary ones. They include two main specific chakras on/in thegenitals. So for instance there is a chakra on the end of the penis that plugsinto the chakra deep inside the vagina and one part way down the penis that appearsto more or less coincide with one at the g-spot in the woman. So to borrow a phraseof the computer world, it might help to be "plug compatible" withone's tantric partner. Some chakra systems are not in the "kundalini"mode.. I'm not here to advocate one ofthese chakra views over another. I would ask what model best serves one's needsas it is possible to transcend one system and find one's self faced withanother.

Many alchemical writings are purposely deceiving as were many written tradesecret formulas from before patent systems. Trade secrets were/are often notwritten down accurately but rather have misleading items that one has to have a"key" to understand properly. It’s the same with Alchemy. Further, while some of the sequences aredocumented and are general enough they can be understood and performed, most I havenever seen in writing but there is a lot I haven’t read. I would suppose that these could also bedocumented via a jargon, like many alchemical systems, in some old Tantras thatmay not have been translated. Would Iunderstand something that starts out in a Tibetan Tantra manuscript 600 yearsold or for that matter 17th century German? Not a chance.

Then to complicate matters, at least in the USA, I have seen estimates bythose teaching “Tantric Alchemy that most of those in the USA (99% according tosome) that are teaching "sacred sex" or whatever that has nothing atall to do with tantric alchemy or any form of alchemy. I make no claim toteaching "sacred sex". I practice, and for a very few, teach alchemy,using sacred tantric methods, though probably not "Tantric" by anyorthodoxy. The theory part of things that I practice and teach bears little resemblanceto anything ancient as it is all updated into modern terminology and concepts,such as "Object Oriented Metaphysics". I find I can communicatebetter with such updating as the cultural contexts have changed a lot in thepast 4000 years or so. And even so there can't be full agreement. Thescientific world can't even agree on what "orgasm" means much lessdistinguish 7 or 9 or 10 or whatever levels. They are still arguing about"clitoral" versus "vaginal" orgasms, goingback to Freud, despite verifying that both "spinal nerve" and"vagus nerve" orgasm mechanisms exist. Semantically"ejaculation" gets all messed up with "orgasm" and"semen" confuses everything.

Let's start with defining a few terms. "Semen" is used in theusual sense of a liquid combination of several secretions possibly containingsperm and possibly not that is not totally clear and colorless. There are otherclear colorless fluid(s) that may be secreted in substantial volume over 4hours that is not ejaculate and has no effect on the energy considerations.Wikipedia will suffice for: Ejaculation is the ejecting of semen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen) (usually carrying sperm) from the malereproductory tract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_reproductive_system_(human)), and is usuallyaccompanied by orgasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasm).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejaculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejaculation)

I'm fine with defining "pre-ejaculatory energy" which triggers andis released at ejaculation and ceases accumulating for a period afterwardsrather than having to redefine "semen" as "ethereal semen"to explain that they are not actually talking about physical semen beingretained traveling to the brain up literal hollow tubes along the spine. So oneway might be to say "virtual semen" and "virtual tubes" inthe modern usage of "virtual" reality. Energies going up nerves ormaybe even ionic channels fine, but physical semen going up literal hollowtubes, nope. I know that newer writingshave given up on that which is where the ethereal semen comes from. As long aswe use different carefully defined words we can stick very well within scienceas far as it goes. Violating physiologyand other well defined things just doesn’t make sense. Everybody who looks can see that vaginas don’thave teeth and nobody develops hairy palms from masturbation.

So now we get up to the quote I started with.

if you control it correctly, you willstrengthen yourself and enhance your virility. Here are the benefits ofrestraining ejaculations

So first we start off with a CONDITIONAL statement "if you control it correctly," That control it correctly is critical. I have seena lot of discussion of this point and I can't say it any better than many ofthose who know to discuss it. I might be able to say it differently so I willgive that a try and include the benefits of doing so. It all relates to theenergies, not the physical substance of semen.

Many people think that the maithuna ritual is mythological in some of thedescriptions. How does one have intercourse for many hours? Let's use 4 hoursas the maximum time without a break so that blood can drain from the penis andrefill for a new erection for the next time segment. You have all seen thewarning with Viagra commercials. Good reason. Blood coagulates after a while andneeds to be released and refreshed.

Four hours of intercourse is long enough to go through the seven (nine,ten?) stages of orgasm or other definitions and reach mystical states. Why isthe assumption made that there can be only “one” clitoral energy producing oneorgasm energy only and at most one vaginal energy even if is carried over thesame nerve. My experience is that thereare at least 20 or so specifically identifiable energies from the yoni (vulva),maybe half from the clitoris, more from the vagina itself and as many from thelingam And in reality there is at thevery least the pudendal (spinal) nerve and/or the vagus (non-spinal) nerve thatcarry the signal in various parts. Each individual energy and each state/level (energies,vibrations, spectrum, dimensions, notes, octaves, etc often used in descriptions) adds a “note”to the energy chord. There are many different states that can beaccessed and many of them accompany one stage or another of what might becalled "orgasm" by those who experience it whether it meets somebodyelse's narrow definition of orgasm or not. However, if the male has anejaculation after 20 minutes or whatever multi hour intercourse isn't going tohappen. If he has to "suppress" the "orgasm withejaculation" it isn't going to happen for many. It's done with finesse,not brute force.

I am going to attempt to describe it as best I can. First I want to makeclear that the "effect" I am going to describe happens with manydifferent "energies" within the body and appears to be a standardcharacteristic not specific to any particular energy. It appears to applyequally to the agony and the ecstasy. Let's start with simple sensory thingslike taste, brightness and loudness. Our systems work on"difference". Consider loudness. Our perceptions are not linear. Wenotice a doubling of loudness, 10 decibels. How little difference can wenotice? Typically 50% will notice 1/3 of a doubling, ie 3 decibels, or 1/3 ofan f-stop for brightness. That is called the "Just NoticeableDifference" or JND for short. Let's go to flavor to make comparisonseasier. Let's start with quarts of iced tea and sugar. First we have toestablish a threshold amount that can barely be detected. Let us say that is 1tsb of sugar will allow one to taste that there is a difference betweenunsweetened iced tea and the threshold for tasting sweetened. So, if 1 tsb isincreased to 1.1 tsb very few people will notice it. If it is increased to 2tsb virtually everybody will notice it. The minimum increase over 1 tsb that50% will notice is 1/3 of a tsb compared to 1 tsb. However if there is already3 tsb in the tea then the minimum that 50% will notice is 1 tsb. If there is 10tsb as base amount, the minimum increment that 50% will notice is 3.33 tsb. Soobserve that the "minimum noticeable increment" increases as thecomparison threshold is increased. 1/3 tsb compared to 10 tsb is not noticeableby virtually anybody. At some point ourability to distinguish sweetness is saturated so we can no longer notice a differenceeither. So perhaps at 60 tsb our system is saturated and we can’t taste the difference80 tsb makes. Or maybe the iced tea just can't dissolve any more sugar and itbecomes saturated that way. Our nerves have a maximum signal capacity as well.

So the just noticeable increment keeps increasing based on what the baselevel is defined as. So starting at 1 tsb, we notice 1/3 more, we notice 2/3more. We notice 1 tsb more. But somewhere we lose the ability to notice themagnitude of the difference. Maybe we can't tell the difference between 5 tsbmore compared to 1 tsb and 6 or 7 tsb more compared to 1 tsb. At that point wehave to establish a new threshold size and increment size. In other words wehave to re-scale the amounts.

How does this apply to erection, ejaculation and orgasm? That gets a littlemore hypothetical. This specific sexual set of sensory phenomena hasn’t beenstudied in the same way as other sensory phenomena. That has been quite taboo. Can’t you see the ads? “We need 1000 freshman to each have 100 comparativeorgasm experiences to develop a characteristics and intensity of orgasm scaleand how it relates to each type of stimulation?” To the extent they have beenstudied the researchers haven't thought of asking these questions or in thisway. I have my own experience, that of a few others and lot's of interestamongst people on "extended orgasm" which happens easily with womenand has been subject to a lot of debate in men. The men experiencing it anddescribing it tend to have explanations that are consistent, or at least not inconsistent,with the hypothetical model I propose.

Throughout recorded history there have been two things filled with taboo,sex and religion. Every society has had it's sex rules. As there is little consistencyand many diametrically opposed sets of beliefs on sex and sexual behavior andmany contradictory ones have all been presented as "God's word" andusually in support of a power/wealth grab by the priests or politicians orworst yet, both together, almost none of them are actually likely to representa literal "God's word". Even if they all always agreed across allsocieties they might still be wrong. However, because of all the differencesalmost all are bound to be wrongly stated. Remember it was only 100+ years agothat young girls had their clitoris burned off to prevent the morallydespicable crime of masturbation and boys were subjected to torture devices andforced amputation of much of the most sensitive tissues they had in an attemptto discourage masturbation. In ancient Greece only Jewish men, and a few otherswith congenitally small foreskins, were obscene when nude. Many of the thingsthey said were culturally required to even faintly justify what they weredoing. Further many things were said to mislead in any of many ways.

So to start it off, "semen retention" may not be the cause butrather an effect by people ignorant of the energies involved, much later bypeople reading things by people who had only read other such writings but hadno experience, to mislead intentionally, as an ordinary misunderstanding or anyof many possible reasons. The reasoning based on imaginary structures incomplete actual physiological ignorance may be hermetic but hermetic nonsenseis still nonsense. Freud saying that stocking-glove anesthesia had "nophysiological sensible reason" and so had to be "conversion disorder"is nonsense. Distal die-off of nerves is a very common pattern and is caused bymany things including b12 deficiency. B12 wasn't discovered until 70 yearsafter the conversion disorder hypothesis was first offered.

However, ejaculation "restraint" does have effects, if properlydone. If it is done "properly" it allows the "energies"that trigger ejaculation to not be released causing the usually prompt end oferection and intercourse. If done properly then it causes the"rescaling" of these energies and sort of "bypassing" theejaculation trigger. This allows the energies to rescale repeatedly and tocontinue intercourse, if done "properly", to the limits of physicalendurance or the need for a bathroom break or a turnover of the blood in theerection to prevent damage. This allows the escalating ecstatic "extendedorgasm" to occur instead releasing the energies in a brief ejaculation.Whatever else it does, it does decrease pain by allowing much larger apparentrelease of endorphins. It keeps the erection going for prolonged periods. Itallows entry into all sorts of metaphysical experiences. It allows thepractitioner to accompany the woman through all the stages of orgasm and endingfinally with the delayed final orgasmic ejaculation. However by the time thishappens the erection may stick around for 30 or more minutes after ejaculationand does not bring a prompt end to intercourse until the person is ready to endit. It leaves one feeling tremendously energized even if exhausted in a normalphysical sense.

Many people react badly when they hear that a person has had 4+ hours(easily resuming after a bathroom break) of intercourse. Either they don'tbelieve it or they think you are nuts or something. I remember an uproar over some actor thatsaid something like that. They even dida study recently that supposedly determined that the "ideal" lengthof intercourse is 16-20 minutes or so. Just another example of “Those who can, do. Those who can't do studiesto show why somebody else couldn't have done or that ‘them grapes were sour anyway’."

Much more than merely restraint of ejaculation is needed. That is not theanswer. It is ONE tool out of many. Both male and female must be stimulated ina way not to reduce sensitivity, but to increase it until it reaches aself-sustaining cascade.. There are approximately 20 or so specific energy accessesin the vulva or lingam. There are sequences of stimulation, what to do, whereto do, when to do and the specific how to do, and single pointed attention inorder to go to various states of consciousness. Does my partner enjoy the 7(9-10) stages of orgasm, literally up to hours of extended orgasms and themystical experiences? Yes she does, normally. However, because of the time requirementswe often just don't have time. And sometimes things don't work out. Sometimesthe mind is willing but the flesh is weak. A full ritual can take 6+ hours.Sometimes we don't even have time for a 2 hour quickie;. start to finish.During the ritual is a whole different story because we get in altered statesand literally don't even notice the hours going by. The memory, sequence and experience of eventsis all there in memory but its period of duration seems to almost no time atall. Time sure flies when you are having ecstatic mystical experience fun and no sensation of the passage of time.



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Ghislain
09-25-2011, 12:08 PM
III

Nearly didn’t post this...British Reserve and all that stuff ’n’ nonsense.

I was exhausted just reading that :eek:

Where I stand on sex...

I am afraid I have a very short attention span therefore sex had to bring something new all the time
for me or I got bored. There has been a time once when I fell asleep on the job. I think I was as
shocked as my partner after waking to the scream of, “you’re asleep!”:( denied of course
with the excuse of resting my eyes. :rolleyes:

I naturally like sexual intercourse to last quite a long time and 4 hours is not strange to me in the
past, however I have to agree that it is hard to find the time or the stamina to make this a reality (in
my own particular case). There was no ceremony involved just... go with the flow... so to speak.

I saw no point in quickies as I found this paramount to using the partner as a tool for masturbation.

Today I am quite comfortable with being on my own and thus this subject is just academic; possibly
because I am a little selfish and practically celibate.

I never studied the art of sex and so probably never brought a partner to the levels you are talking of.

I feel naked now.:o

In your opinion does one have to take part in the practices you are conveying in your posts or is that
a personal choice; also what, in your opinion, would result from not following that path?

Ghislain

III
09-25-2011, 09:13 PM
III

Nearly didn’t post this...British Reserve and all that stuff ’n’ nonsense.

I was exhausted just reading that :eek:

Where I stand on sex...

I am afraid I have a very short attention span therefore sex had to bring something new all the time
for me or I got bored. There has been a time once when I fell asleep on the job. I think I was as
shocked as my partner after waking to the scream of, “you’re asleep!”:( denied of course
with the excuse of resting my eyes. :rolleyes:

I naturally like sexual intercourse to last quite a long time and 4 hours is not strange to me in the
past, however I have to agree that it is hard to find the time or the stamina to make this a reality (in
my own particular case). There was no ceremony involved just... go with the flow... so to speak.

I saw no point in quickies as I found this paramount to using the partner as a tool for masturbation.

Today I am quite comfortable with being on my own and thus this subject is just academic; possibly
because I am a little selfish and practically celibate.

I never studied the art of sex and so probably never brought a partner to the levels you are talking of.

I feel naked now.:o

In your opinion does one have to take part in the practices you are conveying in your posts or is that
a personal choice; also what, in your opinion, would result from not following that path?

Ghislain

Hi Ghislain,

Nearly didn’t post this...British Reserve and all that stuff ’n’ nonsense.

I watched the streaming video last week from OneTaste, an organization that teaches OM - Orgasmic Meditation. It is a meditative thing and involves stimulating a certain clitoral energy in females. This is a slow virtually unmoving thing. Just touching the proper location with a finger (what they teach, but other parts of the body work well too) starts a flow of energy that gets more and more intense. They limit it to a 20 minute period in their sessions presumably so that everybody doesn't go off elsewhere. The were streaming a talk and demonstration of relationship coaching. The announced subject was on how to get talk about sex going with a client. Of the 3 coaches on stage only one was from OneTaste. She tried to get the "talking about sex" subject going but the other two coaches were unwilling or unable to go there. She tried to demonstrate how to get talking about sex going on but they just didn't go there. That is one of the problems. People have a great deal of difficulty talking about sex and the details of it's performance, whether spiritual-mystical or ordinary sex. Rather than speak the details with a specificity that allows somebody else to understand such conversations often end up in euphemism, avoidance or sounding like a porn director. At OneTaste they speak of having just made a video showing a map of the various sensitive energy points on the clitoris which can only be approximate as biology has a lot of variation in small things like exact nerve stimulation points such as with accupuncture. This is the only such mapping of these energy points I have ever heard of though I am sure there must be others. Such information is tough to find with search services as they all come up mostly porn. Spiritual sexual practices are much harder to talk about. Things get added on as the information circulates to protect local taboos, such as linking "spiritual" and "sex". As soon as I mention to people that Alchemyis a spiritual practice rather than a farce they react. I can quite well understand why the "British Reserve" avoids lots of things better not talked about. There is an actual study that attempted to do something of the sort - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2004.05006.x/full,
but they were only doing "orgasm" induction sensitivity and effort made, all by self report. They make no distinctions useful to tantric practice generally and concluded that they need to make better efforts to preserve nerve funtion in plastic surgery reducing the size of the clitoris. In reading it it's easy to see a variety of assumptions that may not actually be valid but serve to make sure that nothing learned by experience is revealed. Again the assumptions that all orgasms are the same and only duration and intensity oif stimulation make a difference based on rough location of stimulation. So the "professional" study probably is not as useful as the energy mapping done by people interested in spiritual meditative sex..

I am afraid I have a very short attention span therefore sex had to bring something new all the time
for me or I got bored

This is very frequently expressed by people. Both my partner and I have found when focusing on the energies and spiritual-mystical part of things that each experience is different. There is a proficiency to be gained allowing a person to go further each time. Many don't do this and so do exactly the same thing every time. I learned that if I follow the "re-scaling" effect on each of the energies that there is a pattern that repeats with constant variation at higher and higher levels. My ex-wife never caught on to that. Instead of learning to progressively unblock each time we found new access points she blocked them. For instance, within the range of experiences called "simultaneous orgasm", one can progress from "that was great" lasting a few seconds to a total conscious interpenetration of each other's beings becoming totally mystical for an hour or more, each instant being the NOW and without any passage of time sensation. It's a lot like skiing and other physical skills, practice improves and changes what one does. I found when I could do meditative skiing in the NOW that I was able to do things that were inconceivbable if I ran everything through the verbal part of my mind and was able to improve noticably daily despite starting at a high expert level. I don't find it possible to be bored in ecstatic communion with my partner. This only came about with meditative sex.

There was no ceremony involved just... go with the flow... so to speak.

Ceremony and ritual, Leary said "set and setting". Magick uses similarity. Mood setting helps establish that similarity. You might say that we tune our resonance to the divine by invoking into the spaces, chanbers, where we are similar, and go with the flow of course. Erotic Trance is all about learning to go with the flow of the erotic energies to go into a communion of similarity with one's partner and the divine. One can "encourage" the flow in certain ways.

I saw no point in quickies as I found this paramount to using the partner as a tool for masturbation.

"Quickie" is relative. A one hour extended orgasm going into mystical chambers is a quickie only compared to a 4 hour experience having time to do the whole 7 (9-10) levels of orgasm ritual. We don't generally do what most people would consider a "quickie".

Today I am quite comfortable with being on my own and thus this subject is just academic; possibly
because I am a little selfish and practically celibate.

Different people need different things at different times in their life. I was sick a lot of my younger life with near celibacy forced upon me for quite a few years and a lot of alone time. Now I'm having a different set of experiences and enjoy not being alone so much.

In your opinion does one have to take part in the practices you are conveying in your posts or is that
a personal choice; also what, in your opinion, would result from not following that path?

There is at least one Tantra (I forget it's name, it's well known) that claims that the yoni puja, presumably in it's many forms, is sufficient as a form of spiritual practice. There is no claim I have seen that it is necessary. The practices I engage in are much broader than what I have written about. I have done a wide variety of different practices through the decades. There are those who choose to really learn the chakras and take control of each petal. It's like each petal is an optic fiber channel and each chakra is a fiber optic bundle or something like that. What I am at this particular instant is the end result of many lifetimes of experiences and practices as are we all, whether remembered or not. The whole and all parts are very hologram like or fractal like. In choosing a path of voluntary evolution I do things that help fill in the missing parts or improving existing parts of the fractal within myself preparing for my next synthesis. I'm consciously choosing to do Alchemical Union with a partner. It's what I see as the next step for both/each of us. Is it "necessary"? Is the practice of Alchemy necessary? Is a tantric Alchemy necessary? Is becoming an awake conscious individual necessary? The answer for any of those that I don't know. Why would one want/desire/prefer to be a conscious individual? This is a hell of a world to be conscious in. I had my reasons in this life. I was miserable for decades and I wanted to know why. The only answers people were willing to suggest were nonsense or irrelvent. I was desperate to change my experience of life and the only change possible is to change one's self. I don't regret having done so. My life is far from perfect but I am in the best health of my life and I have found a great deal of joy amongst the sorrow. In my opinion I'm a "better" person than I was before having found "LOVE" and "compassion".

I'm going to try to explain "Alchemical Union". It is little spoken about, usually confused with Alchemical Marriage and/or simple sexual practice rthter than the pinnicle of Alchemy. It appears to be only occasionally practiced/achieved. In the terminolgy I've been using I would say that it increases the depth and resolution of the fractal. Also, what does it really mean to do a hybridization of "souls" with another conscious individual who has also done the Alchemical marriage? It is a huge increase in size and possible variations of one's life. The earlier stages of tantric alchemy in preparation for Union might indeed be the fastest most direct path of purification. I can't answer for anybody else if that is desirable. I think a valid question that may not have an answer is "Why is this direct connection with divinity built into the sexual functions?" People spend life after life blocking off this connection. Many societies spend all sorts of effort to discourage people from finding this, even if not consciously. In our modern world much effort is expended to prevent divine connection and especially divine connection through sex. If you look at all of our taboos around sex they all and each serve to prevent the deep connection, from what is considered "normal" sex to what is considered "normal" position and "normal" things to do to the near complete inability to talk about it. Many things are simply ignored; not even thought of or mentioned enough to be taboo.

I never studied the art of sex and so probably never brought a partner to the levels you are talking of.

I don't understand why the art of sex and even more specifically, deep spiritual connection sex, isn't taught. We prepare folks to have impovershed spiritual and sex lives. Sharing hours of ecstacy with my partner has been very healing of the deep traumas of this life and those from past lives we were both carrying for which nothing else was effective. It's taken 16 years to reach the levels we are talking about. She started out a student, transitioned to apprentice and then to partner. She has had to be dedicated to face all her fears and traumas, personal and cultural.

She found these practices necessary because she wasn't getting any answers or progress from anything else. Nothing else was getting to the roots of her traumas. She was drawn to getting the answers. I found these things were all true for me and in addition I remembered all these practices from previous lives when I was 9 years old. I had the expected 9 year old reaction to sex, "Yuck". Despite years of practices of many varieties I was not able to release the traumas from abuse from my mother until I had taught my apprentice/partner how to do a suitable tantric massage. There is a lot more to that than only the physical. She needed to be a priestess and to learn the deep connections and how to help lift off the blockages. I spent years of looking for a suitable partner until I came to the conclusion I would have to train one. By that time my wife, who appeared suitable at age 22 had long decided Alchemy wasn't for her and neither was I, largely because of decades of illness destroying the life we had been living.

I'm sorry I can't give you any cut and dried answers. I don't know what you need to do. I don't know how to determine what path might be suitable for a person. I was divinely guided to it. My now partner was guided to it. She asked Goddess for guidance and that is what she received. Call it what you will, "coincidence control", "Goddess" or whatever. For us at least that was how the message was delivered. I was asked if WORK in the tantric sex alchemical path would be acceptable to me as I would have to be genuinely willing to deal with all my sexual hangups, fears and traumas and I said yes. It was the best offer I had. It was the only offer I had. I accepted it a month or so before she was introduced to me. I knew the instant I saw her that she was to be the "Beloved", alchemically speaking. Various other invitations to WORK have been made to me including in the form of Ramakrishna and Vivekanada inviting me to work with a monk of their order preparing him for death. That was made during a 4+ hour tantric session with my now ex-wife about 5 years before we broke up. We were about an hour into extended orgasm when they showed up.

III
09-27-2011, 06:23 PM
I have just one addtional comment on the matter. Circumcision very likely makes a difference in both the ease of training and the likelihood of being able to experience much of the ecstacy. With most or all of the most sensitive tissues removed which includes what might be considered the early warning system of impending ejaculation, the experience is very likely totally changed. The male stimulation methods are quite different by necessity for the circumsized versus uncircumsized.,

Alchemical
10-04-2011, 03:45 PM
Can someone sum this thread up for me please? I'm relatively new to spirituality, I've been looking into Esotericism for around only one year.

I have come across mention of awakening the Kundalini as a very dangerous thing. Previously I had only heard it was dangerous to mental health. I never knew it was a threat to physical health. I was worried before, but now even more so.

Can someone explain what is meant by "Internal Path"? Does this refer to even the simplest of meditations?

What precautions should I take whilst studying Alchemy and Esotericism?

Thank you

Seth-Ra
10-04-2011, 04:03 PM
In short, Aleilius was practicing a specific sort of meditation which was supposed to physically produce the "elixir of life" within himself. He was unaware that "before the elixir comes, a deadly poison appears" - and it essentially fried his kidneys and he almost died, unaware of the danger until it became nearly fatal. Im not all that familiar with the method he was attempting, but have heard similar.
Research, and careful treading by spirit will give you a decent chance. lol Each of us has our own spiritual practices that keeps us "safe", but some things happen anyway, some things are allowed to, and are suppose to. The original message of this thread, was a warning of caution.

Pray, read, read, read, read, re-read, pray, and work. :)




~Seth-Ra

III
10-06-2011, 09:14 PM
Can someone sum this thread up for me please? I'm relatively new to spirituality, I've been looking into Esotericism for around only one year.

I have come across mention of awakening the Kundalini as a very dangerous thing. Previously I had only heard it was dangerous to mental health. I never knew it was a threat to physical health. I was worried before, but now even more so.

Can someone explain what is meant by "Internal Path"? Does this refer to even the simplest of meditations?

What precautions should I take whilst studying Alchemy and Esotericism?

Thank you

Hi Alchemical,

In this work one musty pay careful attention.

I do tend to work with various volatile solvents, toxic reagents, heavy metals,

Those specified items can cause all sorts of injuries and even death. Meditation, Kundalini, tantric etc do not cause kidney or liver damage. I have done all of the above energy and meditative practices and have been an alchemist for decades. I have had liver problems 20 years ago from a combination of paint remover fumes and long term usage of lots of acetaminephen. I stopped using paint remover and APAP and my liver recovered. At no time was it related to my inner alchemical work. I have no idea if one can undergo a spiritual process by use of "volatile solvents, toxic reagents, heavy metals" but they are without a doubt completely unnecessary and very dangerous.

While excessive Kundalini release can cause discomfort for a while, and one can make bad choices in remaking one's self , even to the extent of threatening ones sanity, I sincerely doubt that it can cause liver and kidney damage. Self created fear is one of those most hazardous things. It distorts thinking, creates future problems, changes ones biochemisty. Be realistic. Don't play with toxic substances. Don't believe everything you hear. I would hazard a guess that 99% of everything said to be Alchemical is not functional in Alchemy. That includes 99% of everything passed off as "Tantric".

I would suggest a book that is available as a free downlaod,
Indecent Practices and Erotic Trance: Making Sense of Tantra by John Ryan Haule
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http://www.jrhaule.net/ipet.html

I prefer to create the Elixir of Life through sexual alchemy. Just be sure your partner doesn't have any STDs. There is no way to practice safe sex in an alchemy.

DanceofRebirth
01-23-2012, 12:03 PM
I just wanted to chime in here. I'm very new to Alchemy and found this thread to be a good read. I only understood about half of it, but all in all, it was very helpful to remind me that yes, these energies can indeed harm us if we are not more careful. Again, my thanks to all those posting. This is invaluable information.