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S0LiPS1ST
09-29-2011, 06:39 AM
I am interested in the symbol of The Black Sun. What do you know about it's significance and it relevance to Alchemy? Nigredo? I am also interesting in the Thule Society or Vril energy..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Black_Sun.svg/500px-Black_Sun.svg.png

III
10-19-2011, 10:51 PM
I am interested in the symbol of The Black Sun. What do you know about it's significance and it relevance to Alchemy? Nigredo? I am also interesting in the Thule Society or Vril energy..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Black_Sun.svg/500px-Black_Sun.svg.png



Vril, the Power of the Coming Race is a 1871 science fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction) novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bulwer-Lytton), originally printed as The Coming Race. Many early readers believed that its account of a superior subterranean master race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race) and the energy-form called "Vril" was accurate, to the extent that some theosophists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy) accepted the book as truth. Since 1960 there has been a conspiracy theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) about a secret (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_society) Vril Society

Hollow Earth
The legend has received a further layer of elaboration from recent authors like Raymond Bernard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Bernard) who conflate Bulwer-Lytton's "Coming Race" with speculations about interior civilizations which live on the inside of the Hollow Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth). (The concept of a hollow earth was first advanced by Edmond Halley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Halley) at the end of the seventeenth century.) By contrast, Bulwer-Lytton's subterranean people dwelt in caverns within the crust of a solid earth. The world of the Vril-ya is always described as being underground tunnels, artificially lit (using Vril). The book contains no suggestion of a hollow earth; theories of this kind are only found in subsequent works


Willy Ley
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Willy Ley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Ley) (right) in a discussion with Heinz Haber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Haber) and Wernher v. Braun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun), 1954


Willy Ley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Ley) was a German rocket engineer who had emigrated to the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) in 1937. In 1947, he published an article entitled "Pseudoscience in Naziland" in the science fiction magazine Astounding Science Fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Science_Fiction_and_Fact). There he attempted to explain to his readers how National Socialism could have fallen on such a fertile ground in Germany. He explained this with the high popularity of irrational convictions in Germany during the time. Among other pseudo-scientific groups he mentions a very peculiar one: "The next group was literally founded upon a novel. That group which I think called itself Wahrheitsgesellschaft - Society for Truth - and which was more or less localized in Berlin, devoted its spare time looking for Vril."
The article by Ley, and two small pamphlets by a "Reichsarbeitsgemeinschaft‚ Das kommende Deutschland", that describe a perpetual motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion) based on Vril, are the only real basis for the speculation that set off later. The Society for Truth that Ley describes was conducting 'research' on the existence of Vril. One can assume that it did not succeed, since the existence of Vril would not comply with common physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics). However, it may not be related in any way to Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) organizations. On the other hand, theories around the Nazis' wonder weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderwaffe) might support links to research to the existence and application possibilities of Vril, for example in the purported top secret and highly sensitive scientific technological device Die Glocke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

MarkostheGnostic
10-20-2011, 01:15 AM
I've read The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter by Joseph Farrell, but this page lists several of his books about fringe science, including Red Mercury and The Bell.

http://www.amazon.com/Philosophers-Stone-Alchemy-Secret-Research/dp/1932595406/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319072739&sr=1-9

For more utterly bizarre Nazi-embraced delusions, read up on Hans Horbiger's theories, that I first met in The Morning of the Magicians.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre
Actually embraced by Himmler and possibly Hitler, this cosmology is part of an insane denial of the physics of 'the Jew,' Einstein. It is Orwellian "double-think" if ever there was any. This was another 'reason' why ballotechnic explosives (Red Mercury) were sought by the Nazis according to Farrell. It did not utilize Einsteinian physics. Hate opposes Truth.

You might get a kick out of this adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' book. If I remember correctly, the vision of world conquest by the inhabitants showed legions of Nazis goose-stepping, linking Burroughs' story with Horbiger theory. Corny film, but classic corn. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074157/