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Nibiru
10-23-2011, 02:07 AM
I've been seeing spirals in nature, meditation, and dreams recently. I feel they may play an important role in the relationship of the material plane with that of the unmanifest.

I don't have much to say on the subject as of yet, I just felt that others may have valuable insights to add to this topic once it had been opened..

Here's a short video on spirals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhiPmVHAuTA

Ghislain
10-23-2011, 05:13 AM
Hi Nibiru

If you are into spirals and vortexes check out this video of the sky over Norway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wilTf3zPeoE&feature=related

I'm not sure if the vid' is fake, you will have to decide that for yourself.

There are many other videos like this on YouTube.

Ghislain

solomon levi
11-24-2011, 03:42 PM
I've been seeing spirals in nature, meditation, and dreams recently. I feel they may play an important role in the relationship of the material plane with that of the unmanifest.

I don't have much to say on the subject as of yet, I just felt that others may have valuable insights to add to this topic once it had been opened..

Here's a short video on spirals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhiPmVHAuTA

In hebrew aleph-beth, the 9th letter-number (9 is a spiral) is teth and the figure/hieroglyph is a serpent, also defined as "coiling".
I'm sure I could say a lot more on spirals, but that specifically interests me of late.
And spin interests me - like how a gyroscope seems to defy ordinary laws simply based on the fact that it is spinning.
And tornados and hurricanes have a center or eye of stillness, just as the spiralling magnetic waves have a bloch wall in the center.
This relates to the rotation of the elements - you have to rotate them very fast. :D

Albion
11-25-2011, 02:16 AM
In hebrew aleph-beth, the 9th letter-number (9 is a spiral) is teth and the figure/hieroglyph is a serpent, also defined as "coiling".
I'm sure I could say a lot more on spirals, but that specifically interests me of late.
And spin interests me - like how a gyroscope seems to defy ordinary laws simply based on the fact that it is spinning.
And tornados and hurricanes have a center or eye of stillness, just as the spiralling magnetic waves have a bloch wall in the center.
This relates to the rotation of the elements - you have to rotate them very fast. :D

This passage may not literally line up with your post - it just came to mind because I read it yesterday on a website about the spiral shape of seashells and the solar system.

When I read it, I tend to get a picture, applicable or not, of someone hand-stirring a Steinerian BioDynamic preparation out in a field.

The Hermetic Arcanum

83. The Circulation of the Elements is performed by a double Whorl, by the greater or extended and the less or contracted. The Whorl extended fixeth all the Elements of the Earth, and its circle is not finished unless the work of Sulphur be perfected. The revolution of the minor Whorl is terminated by the extraction and preparation of every Element. Now in this Whorl there are three Circles placed, which always and variously move the Matter, by an Erratic and Intricate Motion, and do often (seven times at least) drive about every Element, in order succeeding one another, and so agreeable, that if one shall be wanting the labour of the rest is made void. These Circulations are Nature's Instruments, whereby the Elements are prepared. Let the Philosopher therefore consider the progress of Nature in the Physical Tract, more fully described for this very end.

84. Every Circle hath its proper Motion, for all the Motions of the Circles are conversant about the subject of Humidum and Siccum, and are so concatenated that they produce the one operation, and one only consent of Nature: two of them are opposite, both in respect of their causes and the effects; for one moveth upwards, drying by heat; another downwards, moistening by cold; a third carrying the form of rest and sleep by digesting, induceth the cessation of both in greatest moderation.

85. Of the three Circles, the first is Evacuation, the labour of which is in extracting the superfluous Humidum and also in separating the pure, clean and subtle, from the gross and terrestrial dregs. Now the greatest danger is found in the motion of this Circle, because it hath to do with things Spiritual and makes Nature plentiful.

86. Two things are chiefly to be taken heed of in moving this Circle; first, that it be not moved too intensely; the other, that it be not moved for too long a time. Motion accelerated raiseth confusion in the matter, so that the gross, impure and undigested part may fly out together with the pure and subtle, and the Body undissolved be mixed with the Spirit, together with that which is dissolved. With this precipitated motion the Heavenly and Terrestrial Natures are confounded, and the Spirit of the Quintessence, corrupted by the admixture of Earth is made dull and invalid. By too long a motion the Earth is too much evacuated of its Spirit, and is made so languishing, dry and destitute of Spirit, that it cannot easily be restored and recalled to its Temperament. Either error burneth up the Tincture, or turneth it into flight.

87. The Second Circle is Restoration; whose office is to restore strength to the gasping and debilitated body by Potion. The former Circle was the Organ of sweat and labour, but this of restoration and consolation. The action of this is employed in the grinding and mollifying the Earth (Potter-like), that it may be the better mixed.

88. The motion of this Circle must be lighter than that of the former, especially in the beginning of its Revolution, lest the Crow's young ones be drowned in nest by a large flood, and the growing world be drowned by a deluge. This is the Weigher and Assayer of Measures, for it distributeth Water by Geometrical Precepts. There is usually no greater Secret found in the whole practice of the Work than the firm and justly weighed Motion of this Circle; for it informeth the Philosophers' infant and inspireth Soul and Life into him.

89. The Laws of this Circle's motions are, that it run about gently: and by little and little, and sparingly let forth itself, lest that by making haste it fail from its measure, and the Fire inherent be overwhelmed with the Waters, the Architect of the Work grow dull, or also be extinguished: that meat and drink be administered by turns, to the end there may be a better Digestion made, and the best temperament of Humidum, and Siccum; for the indissoluble colligation of them both is the End and Scope of the Work. Furthermore see, that you add so much by Watering, as shall be found wanting in assaying, that Restoration may restore so much of the lost strength by corroborating, as Evacuation hath taken away by debilitating.

90. Digestion, the last Circle, acteth with silent and insensible Motion; and therefore it is said by Philosophers, that it is made in a secret furnace; it decocteth the Nutriment received, and converteth it into the Homogeneous parts of the body. Moreover, it is called Putrefaction; because as meat is corrupted in the Stomach before it passeth into Blood and similar parts; so this operation breaketh the Aliment with a concocting and Stomach heat and in a manner makes it to putrefy that it may be the better Fixed, and changed from a Mercurial into a Sulphurous Nature. Again, it is called Inhumation, because by it the Spirit is inhumated, as a dead man buried in the ground. But because it goeth most slowly, it therefore needeth a longer time. The two former Circles do labour especially in dissolving, this in congealing although all of them work in both ways.

91. The Laws of this Circle are, that it be moved by the Feverish and most gentle heat of Dung, lest that the things volatile fly out, and the Spirit be troubled at the time of its strictest Conjunction with the Body, for then the business is perfected in the greatest tranquility and ease; therefore we must especially beware lest the Earth be moved by any Winds or Showers. Lastly, as this third Circle may always succeed the second straightways and in due order, as the second the first: so by interrupted works and by course those three erratic Circles do complete one entire circulation, which often reiterated doth at length turn all things into Earth, and makes similarity between opposites.

Ghislain
11-25-2011, 09:30 AM
I tend to get a picture, applicable or not, of someone hand-stirring a Steinerian BioDynamic preparation out in a field.

This started another thread for me so I will answer it in the thread:


Following Threads
Ghislain

Albion
11-25-2011, 02:31 PM
http://www.l5design.net/images/biodynamic_vortex.jpg http://www.sustainabletable.org/images/features/biodynamics/prep500.jpg

“Substances placed in water are stirred for many minutes, clockwise
and counterclockwise* so that the resulting vortex pulls the cosmic
forces into the fluid. This fluid strengthens plants against pest attacks
and increases the nutritional value as well.”

http://www.progressearth.com/images/upload/pics/General%20Images/Horn_Humus.jpg http://bp2.blogger.com/_nIm1phOxcts/RvuYlKv1y4I/AAAAAAAAAVA/qB_p6ioeDYI/S271/bd+03.jpg

“Using animal parts, like horns and bladders, stuffing them with
preparations and burying them for a specific amount of time produced
substances so powerful that could energize an acre of soil from a teaspoonful.”

http://www.growbetterveggies.com/growbetterveggies/about-biodynamic-agricult.html
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* Chirality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality

Nibiru
11-26-2011, 05:47 PM
Cool link Albion, this is the kind of information I was hoping to uncover with this thread :)

Here's a short video clip explaining the importance of vortex math in creation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vybaO0bYM0U

Albion
11-26-2011, 09:32 PM
Secrets of the Soil [Steiner Biodynamics, Coanda, Radionics, Spiral, Flanagan, etc]

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Soil-Solutions-Restoring-Planet/dp/1890693243/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322341645&sr=1-1

http://www.dowsers.org/bookstore/images/dowsers/SecretsOfTheSoil.jpg
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The fertile Earth - Victor Schauberger [I recall an Alchemist recommending this.
I have a copy, along with these others, but have yet to read it]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73391733/Schauberger-V-The-Fertile-Earth-212

http://imgv2-3.scribdassets.com/img/word_document/73391733/131x167/9699aa2104/1321909871
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Nature as Teacher -Victor Schauberger

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73391539/Schauberger-V-Nature-as-Teacher-New-Principles-in-the-Working-of-Nature-184

http://imgv2-3.scribdassets.com/img/word_document/73391539/131x167/5ab8d2868c/1321909238
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The Water Wizard -Victor Schauberger

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73391777/Schauberger-V-The-Water-Wizard-The-Extraordinary-Properties-of-Natural-Water-220

http://imgv2-3.scribdassets.com/img/word_document/73391777/131x167/105598fdb4/1321909871
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Living Energies -Callum Coats

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73391515/Sch-Coats-C-Living-Energies-312

http://imgv2-1.scribdassets.com/img/word_document/73391515/131x167/571c84f888/1321909908
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Living Water

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73391159/Sch-Alex-and-Errs-On-O-Living-Water-Viktor-Schauberger-and-the-Secrets-of-Natural-Energy-155

http://imgv2-4.scribdassets.com/img/word_document/73391159/131x167/1760f25431/1321909908
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The alternate-energy-laden scribd-shelf of ‘UnmeritedFavor’

http://www.scribd.com/UnmeritedFavor/documents?page=1
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[Note: If, when you attempt to download a document, you get a pop-up mentioning a fee schedule, simply find the option to UPLOAD a document. By simply contributing something from your own files you get to download any scribd document for free for some period of time. Also: The formatting of these Schauberger texts are sometimes rather poor as compared with the hardcopy books themselves ]
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"Quantum physicist Viktor Schauberger has shown that energy in the natural world flows in vortex patterns of rotation and counter rotation with points of change and equilibrium in between. (C. Coates 1996). We can see this process very simply in currents of wind and water.

Schauberger believed that water flowing in an inward turning, centripetal vortex receives and develops life energy, while outward turning, centrifugal, vortical motions disperses and destroys it."
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http://psi-power.com/img_atom_vortex.jpg

Albion
11-27-2011, 12:05 AM
Vortex Mechanics:

http://www.feandft.com/55%20Vortex%20Mechanics.htm

[Click on the individual graphics to open additional windows]

Nibiru
11-27-2011, 02:09 AM
From Solomons's thread here: http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2257-the-cancer-biopathy


Here's another man that wasn't recognized for what he was ;) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4770477589537728517

Nibiru
11-27-2011, 05:21 PM
Vortex Mechanics:

http://www.feandft.com/55%20Vortex%20Mechanics.htm

[Click on the individual graphics to open additional windows]

Wow!! Talk about consolidation ;)

Albion
11-28-2011, 12:12 AM
Wow!! Talk about consolidation ;)

Yeah, it's like a little Vortex Convenience Store.

Be sure to stock up before the holidays!

Albion
11-28-2011, 10:53 PM
Nibiru, when I re-discovered that link I noticed that the page was far shorter than the version I had printed out years ago.
Recently, someone on another forum gave a link to the main page from which I was able to find the longer version:

Vortex Basics and Fractals from the Subatomic to the Super Galactic

http://www.feandft.com/vortex_basics.htm

Free Energy and Free Thinking Home Page

http://www.feandft.com/

solomon levi
11-30-2011, 12:40 AM
http://starfieldfound.org/article106_gyroscopes.htm

Ghislain
11-30-2011, 07:05 PM
Hi Sol

I just looked at the site in your link and at first glance it sounded interesting, but then a lot of
discrepancies started to appear and therefore what started out as interesting then had to be
doubted.

I will use terms such as inertia and the fact that the inertia of the mass - while spinning - is acting in an outward direction due to
centrifugal force so that it is not effected in the gravitational direction; I may find that I will later be listed alongside Johann
Joachim Becher and his Phlogiston. :( or maybe not :)

From the link:


What every ball player and airline pilot has noticed is that; if the speed of object and tori
moving perpendicular to the gravitational lines increases, faster and faster, the object will, at some
relative speed, no longer join with the gravitational flow. The force they carry becomes independent
of gravity. To make it simple; the thrown ball stays up in the air as long as its speed of travel is fast
enough.

Source: (http://starfieldfound.org/article106_gyroscopes.htm)

Poppycock! unless they are talking about it going into orbit in which case this is another set of explainable criteria, which I wont go into
suffice to say it is still very dependant on gravity.


Motion Q. ( http://tutor4physics.com/answers.htm) If you fire a bullet from a level gun and drop a bullet at the same time, both the bullets will hit the ground at the same time. Explain.

A. Both the bullets have the same acceleration in the vertical direction which is the acceleration
due to gravity. Also both the bullets have zero initial velocity in the vertical direction. The
bullet fired from the gun has an initial velocity in the horizontal direction but it will not affect the
motion in the vertical direction. Since, both the bullets have to cover the same vertical
distance, they will take the same time to do to it and will hit the ground at the same
time.

When firing a gun over distance one has to reset the sight for that particular distance. You are
therefore using the inertia of the bullet to gain some height so that it can compensate for the loss of
height due to gravity.

http://homestudy.ihea.com/ammo/images/trajectory-.gif

The speed of the pilot’s aircraft causes a depression over the top of the wing of the craft and an
increase in pressure underneath thus it is sort of “sucked up from above” and “pushed up from below”
into the air. Excuse my scientific jargon there ;)

If a thrown ball could travel at a constant maximum speed it will still hit the ground at the
same time as if you threw it softly...it may travel further along the horizontal but not in the
vertical...unless you put wings on it.

N.B. When you want to throw a ball some distance you throw it up as well as forward.

On Spinning Tops/Gyroscopes


The weight of the whole instrument, from gravity, is concentrated at the tip supporting the spin and then taken to ground. Otherwise, the top would fly away.

A wheel on a bar (see below for example...not actual device) that is too heavy be lifted from the end of the bar can be lifted if the wheel is
spinning...you are holding the concentrated weight point...you should feel it, but you don’t.

A good experiment would be to take a childs spinning top and weigh it...then set it spinning...it will appear to weigh less while spinning.

So once again I have to say poppycock.

http://www.unisciencelab.com/unisciencelab/mechanics/images/3556-11.jpg

All the above need air resistance to be taken into account, even though in most cases it will be minimal
except where you are depending on it, such as in the case of the aircraft, however if the same aircraft
were put in a vacuum it would plummet to the ground irrespective of speed.

I was so disappointed :(

I hope I am not missing some gems due to the mistakes.

Ghislain

P.S. Please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken

solomon levi
11-30-2011, 10:55 PM
Hi Ghislain.
I don't know - you may be right. This is the gem IMO:
"All the stuff that fills up the distances between the stars and also the distances between tiny parts of atoms and molecules is filled with energy. That energy contains all the power of forces anywhere. (Some people are now calling this zero-point energy or scalar energy.) This energy is divided into two parts, one part that EXPANDS upon itself and one part that CONTRACTS to itself. These parts combine into a sphere where the center point is the part that contracts (called TIME) and the stuff within diameter of the sphere is the part that expands (called SPACE). One part cannot exist without the other, yet, they are equal and opposite by nature."

This is a great description of the first matter, mercury and sulphur, yin and yang.
I'm not sure about the details, but spin is one way in which we could manipulate
the forces and the aether. But an easier way is solve-coagula, expansion and contraction,
through temperature.

Ghislain
12-01-2011, 06:58 AM
Sol

If I were to take this any further I would have to study the source (http://www.alchemanual.net/table_of_contents_w_ill_A.htm) from which the article was referenced from.

This is no easy task as a reasonable understanding of physics is needed to even make an opinion as to whether this is real or fabrication.
For Example look at the wiki section on Numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_system). If you thought you knew what a number is this may be an eye opener.
There is so much more needed to get a full understanding of numbers; and this is something we use and take for granted every day.
Are we talking about "real numbers", "integers" or "imaginary numbers" just to name but a few? Therefore to understand "the source article"
I would have to go back to school and learn physics :( it's not going to happen.

Wiki Search for Symmetric Field Physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Symmetric+Field+Physics+&button=) produces vague result as there is no direct comparisons, however there are many
similarly named entries to choose from, most of which are in the field of quantum physics, I'm not going there. :(

In previous forum posts I have stated that I feel for answers rather than study/search for them...this is the reason I have stayed with this thread...
I feel there is something here worth knowing but I can't filter out the useful from the useless, if you get my drift.

I know, in the link you posted, the person was trying to give an explanation in layman’s terms about a deeper article, "the source", mentioned at
the start of this post, but they used wrong information in their examples and thus it makes me wonder if they got the point at all.

The common denominator between the posts in this thread are the reference to donut shaped energy flows such as in Albions link (http://www.feandft.com/vortex_basics.htm) which included "Vortex Rings"

http://www.aethro-kinematics.com/anim98.gif

The reason this strikes such a point for me is that on a recent "journey" I saw and passed through just such a donut...it was amazing. I don’t think
I mentioned the donut after the "journey" as I had no idea what the revalence of it was, and to mention donuts
mmmm!... donuts... http://www.norcalsportriders.com/images/smilies/drool.gif

well, it would take some explaining. I always talk over my experiences with my sister...I shall have to ask her if I mentioned it.

In the source (http://www.alchemanual.net/table_of_contents_w_ill_A.htm) article, chapter one:


IN THE BEGINNING

Our Universe is made up of field energies arranged in harmonic octaves. The greatest of these octave energies is the realm of GOD,
a single point and continuum, also known as ONE spirit, or ALL THAT IS, or MIND, or any name peoples choose to honor the totality of life.

From this singular MIND of power comes a system so perfect, so mysterious, that none of us can fully understand it. This grand LAW OF CREATION
begins with a simple division of energy, a point and a sphere: respectively, a contracting force and an expansive force.


DIVISIONS IN ABSOLUTE ENERGY

The division of ONE is now in creation. We live in a ONE self-creating, self-dividing Universe, among a multitude of Universes. No thing,
no action, no life, no idea is separate from the ONE UNIVERSAL TIME-SPACE point and continuum as it emanates in Divine Balance. All is a function
of ONE in symmetric expression. From this system arises the study of Alchemical Law.



From what I feel there is only one thing I would change about that statement:

"We are ONE self-creating, self-dividing Universe, including a multitude of other Universes."

There is only one!

Shhhh! don't tell anyone else. http://gunnreinert.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/lg_smileywink.jpg

Ghislain

Andro
12-01-2011, 12:15 PM
I saw and passed through just such a donut... it was amazing.

I don't think I mentioned the donut after the "journey" as I had no idea what the relevance of it was, and to mention donuts...

mmmm!... donuts...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GGdtB4TtfEY#t=11s


"We are ONE self-creating, self-dividing Universe, including a multitude of other Universes."

There is only one!

Also from Bono / U2:


"We're ONE, but we're NOT the same... "

:)

Albion
12-01-2011, 02:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaV5UCMsW-8

http://www.omerganai.com/media/music_videos/u2-vertigo.jpg

solomon levi
12-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Hi Ghislain.
Well, we don't have to read it with a foundation in physics or anything.
We don't have to compare it to things we know.
I learned things just reading it in its own context. :)
Beginner's mind, you know.

MarkostheGnostic
12-04-2011, 05:06 AM
http://psi-power.com/img_atom_vortex.jpg

Ghislain
12-04-2011, 01:49 PM
"All the stuff that fills up the distances between the stars and also the distances
between tiny parts of atoms and molecules is filled with energy. That energy contains all the power of forces
anywhere. (Some people are now calling this zero-point energy or scalar energy.) This energy is divided into
two parts, one part that EXPANDS upon itself and one part that CONTRACTS to itself. These parts combine into
a sphere where the center point is the part that contracts (called TIME) and the stuff within diameter of the
sphere is the part that expands (called SPACE). One part cannot exist without the other, yet, they are equal
and opposite by nature."

It is more than energy that fills the gaps IMO Sol. Energy is something we or another outside influence creates
using what is or isn’t (it doesn’t/isn’t really matter) between the parts. Energy is the transformation of one
form into another. Again this is just my opinion, but to give that opinion some form I believe Sean Sinjin’s
book, “Meme”, is as good an explanation as any other.

The book, previously mentioned (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1605-Meme&highlight=meme) in the forum is available free in eBook form HERE (http://207.45.186.66/~galgitr6/Meme/BuyMeme.htm)...a, “must read”, keeping an, “open mind”.

I do not fully agree with everything Sinjin says, but the majority of it I do (until I receive a better explanation)

Sinjin’s purpose for writing the book was to create debate...therefore if you totally disagree with his premise
then that is only a good thing if it makes you explain “why?” you disagree.

Below is an extract from the eBook on Sinjin’s explanation of “Space”...


SPACE

For a moment let's take a seeming tangent and talk about space, referring to outer
space, aether, that big emptiness just past the end of the upper atmosphere. It might be
confusing to ask the question, "what is space", when by common definition space is
“What isn't", or a complete vacuum.

Let's challenge that understanding by proposing that space "is", rather than "isn't".

It wasn't so long ago that most scientists entertained the concept of "aether" and this theory described
aether as a medium, or rather a "'sea" of some substance in which we were suspended, like
fish in an ocean. Aether filled every nook and cranny of the universe. Of late though, unfortunately,
this theory was abandoned for the "isn't" version of aether*, an empty void, merely on the premise
that we couldn't find a way to measure the "flow" of aether.

The minds of the time thought for sure that if we are immersed in a sea of aether,
then we should be able to measure our relative speed as we move through it. No luck there.
Proof of the existence of aether with fluid-like properties was not to be had, and so the aether
concept of space was abandoned since it seemed to complicate things unnecessarily.

Could Occam's razor have been wielded prematurely? Let's re-invite this aether
concept but with a different name, "Bether", and different attributes than the historical
sea-like version.

Sinjin goes on to explain his hypothesis on page 18 of the eBook.

MTG what are you referring to in the image below?

http://psi-power.com/img_atom_vortex.jpg

Is it the formation of the donut?

If one is looking for the Prima Materia then look no further…it is all that is.

Touch yourself...Not like that!… Just touch one hand on the other and you are feeling
the Prima Materia in form. The reason it exists in form relates to E=MC^2. Think
about that after reading the eBook. Or think of the potential energy in a wound up
elastic band.

Keep in mind that Sinjin’s explanations are over-simplifications to bring us to some
kind of understanding.

Thinking of twisted Bether and relating it to water passed through a magnetic vortex
creating whatever one believes is created…I have a yukky but simple experiment to
see what may be going on.

• Eat something sweet so you get sticky saliva in your mouth.
• Put the wooden end of a matchstick into this saliva…still in your mouth.
• Spin the matchstick keeping it rotating in the same direction.

The result of this is that a hard chord of the saliva starts to form and on further
twisting it knots…however once you stop spinning the matchstick it will stay there for
a short while but then resumes its natural state…What do you mean “get a life”? :)

Ghislain

*
The Michelson–Morley experiment was performed in 1887 by Albert
Michelson and Edward Morley at what is now Case Western Reserve University in
Cleveland, Ohio. Its results are generally considered to be the first strong evidence
against the theory of a luminiferous ether and in favor of special relativity. The most
immediate effect at the time was to put an end to Lord Kelvin's Vortex theory,
which said that atoms were vortices in the ether.

Source: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson-Morley_experiment)

Andro
12-05-2011, 01:13 PM
If one is looking for the Prima Materia then look no further…it is all that is.

Indeed, but Alchemists seek to catch hold of this Prima Materia while it is still undetermined.


Touch yourself...Not like that!…

Why not? If I'm feeling the form, I might as well enjoy it :p


Eat something sweet so you get sticky saliva in your mouth.

Our Magnet.


Put the wooden end of a matchstick into this saliva…still in your mouth.

Our Secret Fire and Athanor.


Spin the matchstick keeping it rotating in the same direction.

I have already discussed the importance of Motion/Spin...


It will stay there for a short while, but then resumes its natural state…

We have already (extensively) covered the topic of Philosophical Insulation...


What do you mean “get a life”? :)

Hmmmm......

:cool:

Ghislain
12-10-2011, 04:26 PM
Indeed, but Alchemists seek to catch hold of this Prima Materia while it is still undetermined.

Hi Androgynus

Could it not be that you can never catch hold of this Prima Materia in its undetermined state for one can not detect it in its undetermined state.
If you manage to catch hold of it in a state that you can detect then surely you have it in "form" as I mentioned before?




If one is looking for the Prima Materia then look no further…it is all that is.

Touch yourself...Not like that!… Just touch one hand on the other and you are feeling
the Prima Materia in form.

Ghislain

peethagoras
12-10-2011, 10:18 PM
Interesting . I wonder though, which is the better end of spiral to dream about?

A whirlpool is a spiral. I wonder if you might have drunk something which agreed with you.

Like the video.

Nibiru
12-11-2011, 02:56 AM
Hello :)


Interesting . I wonder though, which is the better end of spiral to dream about?

Was this meant to be a paradox? Where does the spiral begin and end, if one were to dream such things??


A whirlpool is a spiral. I wonder if you might have drunk something which agreed with you.

Like the video.

Could you please rephrase this? :)

Andro
12-11-2011, 05:19 AM
Could it not be that you can never catch hold of this Prima Materia in its undetermined state for one can not detect it in its undetermined state.
If you manage to catch hold of it in a state that you can detect then surely you have it in "form" as I mentioned before?

Undetermined, yet still in form... only our fragmented minds make this into a contradiction.

Have you ever felt undetermined? Did it cause you to lose form?

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/Key-Blank.jpg

:)
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Ghislain
12-11-2011, 11:53 AM
I would like to state that the following is in no way a scientific thesis and that I have only included
articles that relate to benefit my argument.

I performed a google search for, “undetectable substance that is everywhere”, which returned with the first entry:

“Luminiferous aether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia”. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether)

Within it, it says:


Isaac Newton contended that light was made up of numerous small particles. This could
explain such features as light's ability to travel in straight lines and reflect off surfaces. This theory
was known to have its problems: although it explained reflection well, its explanation of refraction
and diffraction was less satisfactory. In order to explain refraction, Newton's “Opticks” (1704)
postulated an "Aethereal Medium" transmitting vibrations faster than light, by which light,
when overtaken, is put into "Fits of easy Reflexion and easy Transmission", which caused refraction
and diffraction. Newton believed that these vibrations were related to heat radiation:

It goes on to quote Newton as saying:


"I do not know what this Aether is", but that if it consists of particles then they must
be "exceedingly smaller than those of Air, or even than those of Light: The exceeding smallness of its
Particles may contribute to the greatness of the force by which those Particles may recede from one
another, and thereby make that Medium exceedingly more rare and elastic than Air, and by
consequence exceedingly less able to resist the motions of Projectiles, and exceedingly more able to
press upon gross Bodies, by endeavouring to expand itself."


The article continues:


To explain stellar aberration in the context of an aether-based theory of light was regarded
as more problematic, because it requires that the aether be stationary even as the Earth
moves through it—precisely the problem that led Newton to reject a wave model in the first
place.


Perhaps Newton was looking at it all wrong, there are no particles of aether or rather it is one great
big universal particle within which everything we can comprehend is made of; and in general it is, for
want of a better description, stationary.

The article further states:


Physicists still assumed, however, that like mechanical waves, light waves required a medium for propagation, and thus required Christiaan Huygens's ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens)( 1629 – 1695) idea of an aether "gas"
permeating all space.

However, a transverse wave apparently required the propagating medium to behave as a solid, as
opposed to a gas or fluid.

The idea of a solid that did not interact with other matter seemed a bit odd That is, the aether must be "still" universally.[/url]

Then came James Clerk Maxwell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell[/url)


James Clerk Maxwell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell[/url) (13 June 1831 – 5 November 1879) believed that the propagation of light required a medium for the waves, dubbed the luminiferous aether...

Maxwell's original equations are based on the idea that light travels through a sea of molecular vortices known as the 'luminiferous aether', and that the speed of light has to be respective to the reference frame of this aether...

it seemed to require an absolute frame of reference in which the equations were valid... the aether was
hypothesized as the absolute and unique frame of reference in which Maxwell's equations hold.
That is, the aether must be "still" universally, otherwise c would vary along with any variations that
might occur in its supportive medium.

Could it be that there are no “vortices in the aether” as Maxwell proposed, but rather that, “light is just vibration travelling through a sea of aether”?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Ondes_cisaillement_2d_20_petit.gif
Vibration of light through the aether.

Taken from the book, “Meme”, think of motion of matter in space as the unwinding and rewinding of “Bether” (Sinjin’s
word for his reintroduction of the concept of aether) in another place. (probably not the best
analogy :))

Think of matter as loop in a piece of twisted “rope”(Bether)...one can move the loop along the rope
and the loop appears the same, but it is never the same piece of rope.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/string%20and%20loop.jpg

This could be verified if one were to colour segments of the rope, then as the loop moved it would
change colour.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/coloured%20string.jpg

Aether fell to Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_Razor), a blade wielded far too much, probably instigating the diversions of the
truth indefinitely IMHO.

Among all great physicists who founded quantum theory, Professor Paul Dirac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac) (1902–84)stands apart
with Einstein and de Broglie.

Dirac reintroduces the theory of the universal aether.

In an article on this subject (http://www.springerlink.com/content/g024j8473364l780/) it states:


As we shall see, this might well turn out to be one of Dirac's main contributions to the new
era opened (in the author's opinion) by Aspect's confirmation of the real existence of superluminal
correlations in the physical world.

I do not understand the mathematics proposed so I will leave that to the academics among you to
ponder; however the article goes on to say:


The main problem now raised by this exposition is: How does Dirac's aether interact with a
positive energy particle put in it?

Dirac makes the assumption that one can place something within the aether when in reality
everything is already in it and part of it; the aether is all that is.

The mind may not be able to comprehend the density of the aether or its properties...wave your
hand in the air and you could say that there is nothing there; however the space industry would
have to disagree when trying to reenter a vehicle into the atmosphere without air friction burning up
the object. Now imagine a substance with billions of times less density than that of the air...how
does your hand interact with that and what perception of it would you have?

Just to get some perspective on what we may be talking about here lets imagine that to make one
quantum particle one would have to twist 1 cubic km of Bether into a singularity...that could be out
by x10^10 or even more, or not :), but hopefully it demonstrates what we don’t know or cannot
conceive. How Bether reacts under given conditions can also not be know for sure, but this does not
make it unreal.


Even Androgynus’ key is made from what the the key is trying to unlock. IMHO :)

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/Key-Blank.jpg

Ghislain

Andro
12-11-2011, 02:19 PM
Even Androgynus’ key is made from what the the key is trying to unlock.

Every 'Question' has its own 'Answer' contained within itself.

And by the way, I am not a big fan of understanding reality through various theories/graphics/etc...

On all my non-physical travels (astral plane and beyond), I have rarely (if ever) encountered structures as are presented in various graphically supported theories.

It has to be KNOWN directly (IMO), not contemplated upon. And also forgotten right away, with memory being the 'curse' that it is :)

Not to say it's not a valid path for those who need it, and certainly could serve as a precursor (but NOT a substitute) for what is to 'follow'.

But maybe it's my 'burning the books' phase talking :)

Ghislain
12-11-2011, 05:29 PM
Androgynus

I am not sure I fully understood what you wrote in your last post; however I would like to clarify a
point in question

As I have said in previous posts, I follow threads.

As I was looking for a way to explain, an undetectable substance that is everywhere, I placed an
enquiry into Google and it returned the entry on “Luminiferous Aether” an idea I already believe to
be the truth, which the article proposed the book read scientific community had generally rejected,
which is an obstacle to the path of truth IMO. I believe Quantum Physics will return us to the
acceptance of a Universal Aether.

I was not trying to convey information which I had read in books; I was trying to explain what I know
using what I have read as an example. I am not very proficient with words :(

It is said that Tao is “The Way that cannot be spoken”; this is not to say one can’t give it a good try. :confused:

As we think so we create matter. Even thought has substance. Defining thought as the electrical
impulses moving through the brain, then thought has mass. The Universal Mind creates mass that
we comprehend as matter; and that includes us.

While looking for a better way to explain what I wanted to say here I performed another Google
search, which returned an article called, “Seven States of Matter - Everything is Mind (http://www.mindreality.com/seven-states-of-matter-
everything-is-mind)”, which is
worth a look IMO.

Ghislain

P.S. Burning books? Sacrilege! :eek:

Albion
12-20-2011, 10:08 AM
_________________________________

Big whorls have little whorls
That feed on their velocity,
And little whorls have lesser whorls
And so on to viscosity.

-Lewis F. Richardson

_________________________________

Circuits.

III
12-21-2011, 03:26 AM
Androgynus

I am not sure I fully understood what you wrote in your last post; however I would like to clarify a
point in question

As I have said in previous posts, I follow threads.

As I was looking for a way to explain, an undetectable substance that is everywhere, I placed an
enquiry into Google and it returned the entry on “Luminiferous Aether” an idea I already believe to
be the truth, which the article proposed the book read scientific community had generally rejected,
which is an obstacle to the path of truth IMO. I believe Quantum Physics will return us to the
acceptance of a Universal Aether.

I was not trying to convey information which I had read in books; I was trying to explain what I know
using what I have read as an example. I am not very proficient with words :(

It is said that Tao is “The Way that cannot be spoken”; this is not to say one can’t give it a good try. :confused:

As we think so we create matter. Even thought has substance. Defining thought as the electrical
impulses moving through the brain, then thought has mass. The Universal Mind creates mass that
we comprehend as matter; and that includes us.

While looking for a better way to explain what I wanted to say here I performed another Google
search, which returned an article called, “Seven States of Matter - Everything is Mind (http://www.mindreality.com/seven-states-of-matter-</p><p>everything-is-mind)”, which is
worth a look IMO.

Ghislain

P.S. Burning books? Sacrilege! :eek:

It is said that Tao is “The Way that cannot be spoken”; this is not to say one can’t give it a good try.

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the never-ending Tao", at least in one translation.


From another source -
"IT is heard without ears,.
IT is seen without eyes"

and the poem goes on. If you know the one I mean I have lost the copy I had and have been unable to find it.
from another source - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sDS1pmMZglwJ:santmat-thetruth.de/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_book%26book%3D3886%26page %3D291+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I had that very discussion "this is not to say one can’t give it a good try" with my Jnana Yogi frined before he died, with me taking the "good try" position. In the end I had to concede that there was absolutely nothing that can be said that can convey the essence of "IT" or the TAO in that context. One can KNOW the TAO (IT) but can't speak it. As EJ Gold says "The secret keeps itself".

I have heard many near death experiences described in person and been able to question the people. One of the elements common to just about every one of them is a spiral, from explicity seen and described as a "spiral staircase" going up to St Peter (Catholic) or a spiral street through golden leaved trees with the Buddha at the center (Buddhist) to a tunnel that if looked at closely is surrounded by a spiral. to the "golden flower"etc.

Andro
12-21-2011, 03:57 AM
...described as a "spiral staircase" going up to St Peter (Catholic) or a spiral street through golden leaved trees with the Buddha at the center (Buddhist) to a tunnel that if looked at closely is surrounded by a spiral. to the "golden flower"etc.

These are descriptions of various "Belief System Areas" on the Astral Plane. There are more of those than one can imagine :)

Once we manage to outgrow the multitude of Earth belief systems during physical life, we can (after we drop dead) move on to higher levels, on the Astral Plane and WAY beyond.

Robert Monroe described those levels, but I have traveled to many of them myself as well, so it's also a personal experience for me.

As for the spirals - they can be a recurring theme, but not always and not necessarily, at least not when consciously going OOB. I don't know about NDE.

Albion
01-06-2012, 02:47 AM
http://dl5wlyjxhqk2u.cloudfront.net/main-i-05e3b7aa4d234aa84bc343909cfbc986e8af2409

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkxuPxdsZ58

http://creativephotographymagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/performing-arts-photography13.jpg


From: Atomic Feng Shui - Aetheric Diodes and Magnetization -Jason Verbelli

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77264199/Atomic-Feng-Shui-Aetheric-Diodes-and-Magnetization

"A reason why a magnet is a magnet... is because the “atoms” making up the metal are all facing the same direction, leaning at the same angle, etc.

When the atoms are aligned they act as a diode for the natural flow of energy all around us.
Energy is normally randomly bumping everywhere.
No particular order.
A diode creates order and makes energy flow in 1 direction.

Now, if you align the atoms of a material to form a swirl like water down a drain... then the energy will flow accordingly around that material in 1 direction.

Normal magnets have an atomic alignment in a straight line.
Like a crowd of people all facing towards a teacher in a classroom.

But what if the stage was in the center of the crowd and everyone was leaning to 1 side?
The flow of energy would be toroidal and very different.

The world only believes in magnets where the atoms are aligned like an audience facing a movie screen.
(Thus Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave)

Ancient cultures give us clues.
Watch the Monkey Chant from “Baraka”
The people represent “atoms” making up a material and the flow of energy.

Atomic alignment carves a path for energy.
Humanity only believes in straight paths.
Like Aqueducts or irrigation ditches.

When you send an electric charge through a material, it Realigns the atoms to face the direction of the electric current.
I think Profession John Searl’s magnetization process locks in the atoms to lean in specific formations.
(Sine Waves at harmonic frequencies)

Like a serpents tail rather than a straight line like people in a theater.

That means all the atoms are leaning to form a wave.
Side by side, the material itself looks the same as any other magnet... but the atoms are leaning differently and locked in place.

That process allows for the natural random bumping energy to start flowing in those “magnetic aquaducts” on the atomic level.
Making the energy slither rather than run straight like normal magnets."

otove
05-16-2012, 08:30 PM
Anyone heard of Marko Rodin? He claims the following symbol is the secret of the Cosmos and that his Rodin Coil will revolutionise the world etc etc. I was quite skeptical, but the symmetry of numbers on the clock face is quite remarkable!


Marko Rodin has discovered a series of regularities in the decimal number system heretofore undocumented and overlooked by conventional mathematics and science. These patterns lay out on the surface and within the internal volume of a torus. Mathematicians, computer scientists and other leading scientific thinkers have tested and validated this revolutionary discovery, known as the Rodin Solution and often referred to as the Rodin Coil.

The Rodin Coil Vortex-Based Mathematics Toroid Surface Topology

The Rodin Coil is a perfect three-dimensional model, coherent four dimensionally and higher. It is a blueprint, or schematic, that enables anything to be engineered. One can know the pathways and motion everything takes – past, present and future – from the quantum level up to solar systems and galaxies. Simply put, Rodin has discovered the underpinning geometry of the universe. He has found the missing energy behind the creation of the universe that scientists refer to as “dark matter” or “dark energy” because it’s still unaccounted for.

Have any of you guys researched this number system? (http://www.worldofheaven.com/messages_data/39adaef1ee9aa5553853053ca0edbac0/The_Rodin_Solution_Executive_Summary_en_0.pdf)?

http://www.worldofheaven.com/messages_img/39adaef1ee9aa5553853053ca0edbac0/Symbol_Of_Enlightenm_en_0.gif

Referring to this symbol, Marco through Marco says:


The fact that The Most Great Name of God equaled 9 seemed very important to him as everything he had read in both the Bahai scriptures and other religious text spoke of nine being the omni-potent number. So next he drew out a circle with nine on top and 1 through 8 going around the circle clockwise. Then he discovered a very intriguing number system within this circle. Marko knew he had stumbled upon something very profound. This circle with its hidden number sequence was the "Symbol of Enlightenment." This is the MATHEMATICAL FINGER PRINT OF GOD.

WOW, seriously?

Well, I had a look at my wall clock, and sure enough, if you divide it symmetrically, choose any number, add to it's opposite and it equals 12

1+11 =12 o'clock
2+10 =12
3+9 =12
7+5 =12

The whole number system is based on this symbol?! Fascinating no?

otove
05-16-2012, 08:32 PM
Here is the link to his site: http://www.worldofheaven.com/categories.php?mc=13&muuid=39adaef1ee9aa5553853053ca0edbac0&l=it&sid=b8fddce0a8e70e1ed4392fd32a2a1614

it explains how to use his fingerprint.

The first part of Marko's Coil Mathematics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93dL65Q724

And Vortex Based Mathematics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PmQUa8fqHQ&feature=related

Nibiru
05-22-2012, 06:25 AM
Hello Otove :)

Thank you for posting these videos as this is in line with what I had in mind for this thread.



-Here are some more videos on the topic for any of those who may be interested.

They're from the talk entitled "Order From Chaos: The Geomeotry of implosion" by: Jason Verbelli


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEbkwWKOhLQ&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmIPOamQ0A&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAwG0x3xm4&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LQm78Ah8KkY



-The videos posted above were taken from this website: http://www.cmn.tv/videos/jason-verbelli-alchemy-event-conference-42912-the-geometry-of-implosion/

Ghislain
05-22-2012, 10:35 AM
Otove

I find your post on Rodin interesting, but it brings to me a questions.

The mathematics only works with base 10.

I will give one example. Randy Powells run through of the math comes to 8. He goes on to say 8 doubles to 16, 1+6 is 7. If we used base 6 then 8 would be 12 and 1+2 is 3.

My question is why did we start using base 10?

Is base 10 a universal base?



Base
1 - 1 <-this may be the only real base number :) maybe the rest deals with what isn't.
2 - 1 10
3 - 1 2 10
4 - 1 2 3 10
5 - 1 2 3 4 10
6 - 1 2 3 4 5 10
7 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 10
8 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10
9 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10
10 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A 10
12 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B 10
13 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C 10

Are we born with 10 fingers because we are supposed to count on them?

Ghislain

otove
05-24-2012, 06:00 PM
Otove

I find your post on Rodin interesting, but it brings to me a questions.

The mathematics only works with base 10.

I will give one example. Randy Powells run through of the math comes to 8. He goes on to say 8 doubles to 16, 1+6 is 7. If we used base 6 then 8 would be 12 and 1+2 is 3.

My question is why did we start using base 10?

Is base 10 a universal base?



Base
1 - 1 <-this may be the only real base number :) maybe the rest deals with what isn't.
2 - 1 10
3 - 1 2 10
4 - 1 2 3 10
5 - 1 2 3 4 10
6 - 1 2 3 4 5 10
7 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 10
8 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10
9 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10
10 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A 10
12 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B 10
13 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C 10

Are we born with 10 fingers because we are supposed to count on them?

Ghislain

You may find this video fascinating! ;)


http://youtu.be/Ih1ZWE3pe9o

otove
05-24-2012, 08:02 PM
Hello Otove :)

Thank you for posting these videos as this is in line with what I had in mind for this thread.



-Here are some more videos on the topic for any of those who may be interested

-The videos posted above were taken from this website: http://www.cmn.tv/videos/jason-verbelli-alchemy-event-conference-42912-the-geometry-of-implosion/

The videos remind me of an idea I read/heard somewhere.

Please bear with me :D

As I understood it the Spiral represents the connection between different layers and scales within creation:

http://htwins.net/scale2/

This ^ is amazing, if you haven't seen it before, please have a look.

These scales (harmonic levels or density of matter levels - MARTINUS JOSEPHUS ROUTH), are bridged by oscillations of + and - Forces.
As their is no time and space, all these things in life exist simultaneously, 'ad semel et eodem tempore', but sequentially for those [material things] occupying limited segments of this Grand Spiral. Phew... took me a while to get that in order!!! :o

This idea is beautifully illustrated by a newish LASER technology based on paired mirrors:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/iQmz4ytI88A
One point of LASER light, moving so fast, it creates the illusion of 3d objects. If one point of light projects at an X and Y axis mirror (both perfectly balanced) creates the illusion of time and space as well as material objects.
http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F4Q/IE3C/H1YOIP8C/F4QIE3CH1YOIP8C.MEDIUM.jpg

This sounds remarkably like alchemical texts I have read on the Universal Soul and Universal Spirit.

(can't get the videos to show correctly! whats up with it?)

Ghislain
05-24-2012, 09:15 PM
Wow I don't have much to say about that...

I thought I wouldn't ever use this word, but that was

****AWESOME****

All of it!

Ghislain

solomon levi
05-25-2012, 04:22 AM
The 10s are represented in the scale of the universe, the electromagnetic spectrum
as exponential growth, which we see in alchemy as multiplication and projection.

The circulation is a type of spiral between + and -, air and water. perhaps
with exponential results.

This 10 also relates to the tetractys and sephiroth.

vega33
05-25-2012, 06:55 AM
Nibiru and Albion: I find it very cool that I've been investigating the work of Verbelli in the last week or so before seeing this thread. He's the first I've seen to have a complete copy of Russell's "Atomic Suicide", and he seems to have a pretty good grasp of the ideas behind that. His perspectives closely match some of my own, except that I come at the ideas from the perspective of ALKEMI. Have you seen the work of Michael Persinger on "No More Secrets"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg) Makes me think perhaps we've been sharing ideas via the geomagnetic field like in his video :).

Cheers.

vega33
05-25-2012, 06:57 AM
The 10s are represented in the scale of the universe, the electromagnetic spectrum
as exponential growth, which we see in alchemy as multiplication and projection.

The circulation is a type of spiral between + and -, air and water. perhaps
with exponential results.

This 10 also relates to the tetractys and sephiroth.

Om
Na-mah
Shi-Va-Ya
Shi-va-ya
Nam-ah
Om.

Notice the triangular shape here too. Tetractys is all about the simple numbers and how they harmonize with one another etc. :)

otove
05-26-2012, 10:25 PM
??? I cant see the link to the number system. Is this to do with Gematria or Numerology?

Nibiru
05-27-2012, 12:35 AM
Nibiru and Albion: I find it very cool that I've been investigating the work of Verbelli in the last week or so before seeing this thread. He's the first I've seen to have a complete copy of Russell's "Atomic Suicide", and he seems to have a pretty good grasp of the ideas behind that. His perspectives closely match some of my own, except that I come at the ideas from the perspective of ALKEMI. Have you seen the work of Michael Persinger on "No More Secrets"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg) Makes me think perhaps we've been sharing ideas via the geomagnetic field like in his video :).

Cheers.

I haven't seen the video, but thanks for sharing. :)
I've also noticed that groups of like-minded individuals seem to somehow stumble upon the same knowledge/information almost simultaneously, and sometimes through quite different means. Maybe the video you shared explains this?

I've been pretty busy lately, but I'll try to watch it soon.

HappyPotter
04-26-2013, 04:11 PM
Great thread guys…

Daniel Nunez vortex coils http://shop.1stopenergies.com are getting good results www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wvdzsQHOhk

Arrakis
05-08-2013, 04:07 AM
I believe that the formation of the Crop Circles in England must have a close relationship with all this.
Arrakis