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Awani
11-19-2011, 02:07 AM
http://news.discovery.com/space/faster-speed-of-light-110922.html


THE GIST

CERN Scientists say they have clocked subatomic particles that travel faster than light.
Researchers called on physicists around the world to scrutinize the data.
Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity would have to be revisited if the findings hold true.


I am always suspect of dogmatic thinking, i.e. I have never liked Einstein worship (reminds me of Darwin worship) so the news are very satisfying IMO.

It reminds me of what we (Ghislain and sleeveless) talked about in our Amsterdam Mycelium sessions (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2408-Psilocybin-Session-Amsterdam-2011), that we know nothing, and those that claim they do know are the worst kind of intellectual dictator.

:cool:

driftrat
01-01-2012, 12:24 AM
....when tachyons (as neutrinos) lose energy, they go faster, not slower (Cherenkov)'. ...by analogy this status strongly indicates the primary force of our existence is in/of a terrain that is slowed down by our quantum reality.
Now to the best of my research Mr 'E' only limited the speed of light to our quantum terrain. His final unfinished works included what is now called superposition. His famous wimsy about time "if not fot time everything would happen at once" is as well a statement about non-entanglement and the force of gravity. I believe Einstein would call the particle collision direction of anallysis in todays high-e physics as narrow and dogmatic.

Andro
01-01-2012, 01:04 AM
I don't know shit about theoretical physics - but when I go out of body, I can be light-years away in a blink of an eye.

driftrat
01-01-2012, 01:39 AM
Androgynus you know more than you imply...
in the query of superposition - speed and distance in the terrain of conscious appear equal at that moment of the perception.
I was a grunt wannabee deep-thinker scanning mu-meson particles in 68 at UCLA and still don't know what this is all about ,although like a junkie the carrot still seems to be right in front of me.
I believe that theoretical physics has become too narrow to functionally understand the utility of a Higgs terrain. This field still remains at best a matematical probability to our quantum world.

Andro
01-01-2012, 02:12 AM
Hi Mr. 'D' :)

I can't even claim to understand half of your sci jargon - but somehow, intuitively, what you are saying makes perfect sense to me...

Especially when you say:


'Speed and Distance in the Terrain of Conscious appear Equal at that Moment of the Perception.'

:cool:

driftrat
01-01-2012, 04:08 AM
yea I get that all the time on the jargon...comes with the subject which tends to reflect an unintentional dry arogance. Your experience in conscious is the future of evolution as far as I can figure... please excuse my academia but this Gurdjieff quote says it well..."It is impossible to study a system of the universe without studying conscious. At the same time, it is impossible to study mans conscious without studying the universe. Man is an image of the world. He was created by the same laws which created the whole of the world. The study of the world and the study of man must therefore run parallel, the one helping the other.
So it is my approach to understanding the 'elixir' and its potential constructive influence to an upgrading of our conscience evolution that I rattle on like this.

driftrat
01-01-2012, 04:23 AM
see if I can sell some tee's with 'I survived 2011'

Ghislain
01-01-2012, 10:50 AM
lol DR

I approached a T-Shirt vendor with a similar intention.



"I Survived 2012"

However mine may not be so lucrative http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/attachments/general-cigar-discussion/27732d1195581027-best-cigar-smiley-smiley-cigar.gif

Ghislain

Ghislain
01-01-2012, 11:15 AM
DR

As you have background knowledge of The Quantum World I wonder if you saw the recent lecture by
Professor Brian Cox, "A Night With the Stars" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4f9wcSLs8ZQ)

He gives an idea of the Quantum World in layman's terms...

I would love to hear your opinion.

Ghislain

P.S. Also, just as a pondering thought...could the wave interference pattern in the two slit
experiment actually be more like the patterns produced when trying to use computer generated
random calculations to place dots on a screen; where actually the calculations are only producing a
pseudo-random number and when repeated for a period of time revert to a pattern? That in fact
the whole universe is running to some pre-programmed rules so to speak where nothing is random
at all?

driftrat
01-01-2012, 09:42 PM
Cox is a brilliant young man who is able to share these normally difficult to understand concepts with a very comfortable unpretentious approach....I however am from a different ilk and communicate best with the more antiestablishmentated branch of misfits. I see most examples of difficult scientific concepts of little utillity due to less than adequate understanding of the subject by the teacher themselfs as well as the use of shady analogys.
to wit; two concepts developing in modern physics are superposition (non-locality) and dimension (Hilbert space). My examples of a superposition terrain is when you observe the spokes on a rotating wagon wheel as they appear to move in reverse direction. There is a point when everything is happening at the same moment at any place relative to the terrain - the deff inition of a superposition. The concept of a multi-dimention can be developed by observing a 3-d reflection on a 2-d object.
please don't think me pretentious but as per wave theory I 'ed like to throw this up for whatever punishment...I view wave as conscious, which propagates movement. Waves are like signals;such that they transport the information in the terrain of conscious. The receiver at each point derives the notice to act from that signal.

driftrat
01-02-2012, 10:32 PM
DR

As you have background knowledge of The Quantum World I wonder if you saw the recent lecture by
Professor Brian Cox, "A Night With the Stars" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4f9wcSLs8ZQ)

He gives an idea of the Quantum World in layman's terms...

I would love to hear your opinion.

Ghislain

P.S. Also, just as a pondering thought...could the wave interference pattern in the two slit
experiment actually be more like the patterns produced when trying to use computer generated
random calculations to place dots on a screen; where actually the calculations are only producing a
pseudo-random number and when repeated for a period of time revert to a pattern? That in fact
the whole universe is running to some pre-programmed rules so to speak where nothing is random
at all?
in pondering mentation :)... any influence to the random pattern is most probably due to 'background influence' as is developing the cases in the recent 'faster than light and 4th flavor neutrino stuff. Any developed pattern with no apparent interference would certainly suggest some a-prio (conscious) direction or scaffolding (quantum) to the event.

driftrat
01-03-2012, 08:56 PM
well here's a starter based on intuition and some fancy words by guys older and a lot deader than me...humanities conscious has an affect (influence) on the quantum (the small stuff) world and should be studied as necessary to the development of a true substance which could possibly upgrade humanitys conscious in a more universally acceptable standard.
As far as transmuting base to Gold, eternal life, etc; I personally could care less...in written history it doesn't appear to have happened so it probably ain't real.

Ghislain
01-04-2012, 05:16 AM
DR

According to Mr Cox it is because of the interfernce pattern that the wave theory exists...or I may have misunderstood :confused:.
If it is a case of the whole universe running to some pre-programmed rules then the whole wave theory could be wrong as is the
case of Johann Joachim Becher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Becher) and Phlogiston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory).

Who's writing the formulae?

Ghislain

driftrat
01-04-2012, 07:26 AM
Mr G...wave theory is esentially whats left after the math runs out. . So if we want to infer it's interfernce or background...well as long as it works until somthing better comes along thats our lot. I personally don't understand most of this stuff.
The fact that our universe became an existence implys a directional influence 'to be' which is a terrain of a-prior. Should be noted that 'space' appeared durning the inflation period, was the first creation of our universe and (according to Planck) was faster than light speed...then burst the quantum world.

Ghislain
01-05-2012, 06:48 AM
I tried a little experiment with a picture deemed truly random from http://www.boallen.com/random-numbers.html
and produced the picture below.

At first glance it appears, to me, quite random, however it is entirely symmetrical.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/random%202.jpg

If you place the pic into ms-paint and rotate it 90, 270 or 180 degrees you won’t notice any perceptible
change due to this symmetry.

Order can be very illusive...is the universe like this...indistinguishable symmetry?

Ghislain

Edit:

Right click on pic and copy.

In Paint:

Select: Edit tab
Select: Paste
Select: Image tab.
Select: Flip/Rotate
Select: Rotate by angle

driftrat
01-05-2012, 04:41 PM
I tried a little experiment with a picture deemed truly random from http://www.boallen.com/random-numbers.html
and produced the picture below.

At first glance it appears, to me, quite random, however it is entirely symmetrical.

http://genius.toucansurf.com/random%202.jpg

If you place the pic into ms-paint and rotate it 90, 270 or 180 degrees you won’t notice any perceptible
change due to this symmetry.

Order can be very illusive...is the universe like this...indistinguishable symmetry?

Ghislain

Edit:

Right click on pic and copy.

In Paint:

Select: Edit tab
Select: Paste
Select: Image tab.
Select: Flip/Rotate
Select: Rotate by angle

Mr G...I derer to the discursive thought patterns inherent to our development in logic ... as the most probable order inducing culprit in random patterns, however I see the above example as more reflective of 'magic' and not some form of dimension.

Albion
01-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Neutrinos Faster Than Light?

http://dgleahy.com/p57.html

driftrat
01-06-2012, 04:01 PM
Albion...I detect a lot of self-serving research being pontificated from these guys lately. There's a lot of opinion that the direction of research from colliding high-energy particles at high speeds has become dogma. . CERN is brimming with abstraction and frankly populated by a lot of low grade peer review brown nosers.
What they don't say...'Typically neutrinos are detected in liquid scintillators. In practice, to get reliable results one uses two or more detectors at different distances, one very close to the reactor. However, these kind of experiments are not sensitive to small mixing angles, despite a relatively large amount of events. Negative pions, however, are quickly absorbed in the matter. Therefore, only decay in flight may be observable'.
and again...'If a muon neutrino strikes the OPERA Detector and was thought to come from the start of the proton beam, but actually came from the end of the proton beam there would be no observed 'faster than light'.
there's more...