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solomon levi
02-17-2012, 06:37 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolorous_Stroke

http://quintessentialpublications.com/twyman/wp-content/uploads/grailheropiercedthigh.jpg

solomon levi
02-17-2012, 06:45 PM
The thigh is often connected to the loins.
Especially consider Adam and Eve who became aware that they were naked
after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge - the made loin cloths/aprons
from fig leaves.
There is a gematria connection between figs and the birthright which Esau swore to Jacob.

Nibiru
02-21-2012, 07:15 PM
So could we say that the thigh represents celibacy, self-control, a stellar-constellation, or something else altogether?

Pirandello
02-27-2012, 07:06 PM
The thigh is often connected to the loins.
Especially consider Adam and Eve who became aware that they were naked
after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge - the made loin cloths/aprons
from fig leaves.
There is a gematria connection between figs and the birthright which Esau swore to Jacob.

In myth, Dionysus put a phallus of fig wood on the grave of polyhymnos, and according to an article I found, at Dionysian festivals in the present day, the phallus carried in processions is still carved of fig wood. The fig tree was sacred to Priapus also, and the fig fruit is said to symbolize the female genitalia. So then we may ask, "what do the fig leaves hide on the tree, if not its branches, and the fruit growing there?"

solomon levi
08-08-2012, 02:39 AM
So could we say that the thigh represents celibacy, self-control, a stellar-constellation, or something else altogether?

I've been studying alot and I'm understanding the astrological portion of the alchemical trivium.
I think the thigh, and many, many things, have to do with constellations.
Actually a very specific area between aries and taurus.

In this article, the author seems to ascribe the thigh to Ursa Major, but I have some doubts.

"Finally I would like to mention the weird fact of these thighs very often required to be hollow, like bones, or like the thigh bones. Or flutes, since back at that time these whistling (5) musical instruments were made from the cow femurs. The constellation of the Cow, or the seven cows, was the oldest extant ancient name for the Great Bear. And from above these stellar cows falls milk, a strange milk which doesn’t wet hands."
http://www.labyrinthdesigners.org/alchemy-gnosis/the-pythagorean-thigh-in-the-northern-sky/

Also most authors seem to go with this view; maybe it's correct:

http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/khepesh3.png

"The constellation of the Great Bear is the sign of Seth, as Orion is the star of Osiris and Sirius the star of Isis. In the pap. Jumilhac it is related that Horus had cut out the fore-leg of Seth:

"And after he had cut out his fore-leg he threw it into the sky. Spirits guard it there: The Great Bear of the northern sky. The great Hippopotamus goddess keeps hold of it, so that it can no longer sail in the midst of the gods." - Pap. Jumilhac XVII, 11-12."In the stars of the Great Bear the Egyptians saw an adze or a fore-leg..."" - teVelde:"Seth, God of Confusion"

This is the traditional view apparently.
But there has always been a similarity between these seven stars and another seven-starred cluster between aries and taurus - the pleiades.

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3Gti3SVUxanU3SnGyUo8h8heHxxSsU swhADvTpdC6qGT932zF

mutus liber:
http://ogi.legendes-et-mythes.fr/media/fck/image/english/map/Mutus%20Liber/legends%20myths%20mutus%20liber%20aries%20taurus.j pg

Dee's monas:
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAYIE5MjnCPhA6Rfl9urdDoJ9fOFiYu DVF55oxbysQ2Jts0Dzl

http://people.usd.edu/~clehmann/HWB/2001/2001a/cocktail_alchemy.jpg

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but the pleiades are part of taurus, the bull.
I'm not sure how the bear is a bull. There are plenty of clues about the bear's involvement
in alchemy, but I'm not sure this is it. The thigh belongs to a bull.

Nibiru
08-08-2012, 03:37 AM
I've been studying alot and I'm understanding the astrological portion of the alchemical trivium.
I think the thigh, and many, many things, have to do with constellations.
Actually a very specific area between aries and taurus.
...........................

But there has always been a similarity between these seven stars and another seven-starred cluster between aries and taurus - the pleiades.

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3Gti3SVUxanU3SnGyUo8h8heHxxSsU swhADvTpdC6qGT932zF

mutus liber:
http://ogi.legendes-et-mythes.fr/media/fck/image/english/map/Mutus%20Liber/legends%20myths%20mutus%20liber%20aries%20taurus.j pg

Dee's monas:
https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAYIE5MjnCPhA6Rfl9urdDoJ9fOFiYu DVF55oxbysQ2Jts0Dzl

http://people.usd.edu/~clehmann/HWB/2001/2001a/cocktail_alchemy.jpg

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but the pleiades are part of taurus, the bull.
I'm not sure how the bear is a bull. There are plenty of clues about the bear's involvement
in alchemy, but I'm not sure this is it. The thigh belongs to a bull.

Could this be connected to the suggestion of collecting 'dew' in the month of May?

MarkostheGnostic
08-08-2012, 08:15 AM
Genesis 32:22-32 (Food for your thoughts). :)

Jacob Wrestles With God

22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.
23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions.
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.
26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?” “Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.” But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[g] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[h] and he was limping because of his hip.
32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.

vega33
08-08-2012, 10:51 AM
The myth of Dionysus as told by Euripides relates the story of the relationship between these terms.

ho μέρος vs ho μήρος vs ho μηρός. Ho (XW=I have). There is meros as the word for the femur, or the word for "part, place, component" etc - the introduction of that still point of duality so important in myths of these types. When you try to translate the three different forms you get part, leg, and thigh - an amusing reflection of this concept. I've also heard the more "politically correct" version suggest Zeus' "thigh" was actually his "pledge" or promise... which is another way of saying the most fixed thing - that which stands firm. Which of course the femur does, being subject the the compressive forces of keeping the body supported/upright :).

Dionysus was of course said to have been incubated here in Zeus' thigh, or his pledge, and "born again" or re-generated here. The thigh represents the place of power, the reservoir of vital force stowed up, either internally in the force of the mineral realms (bones), or externally in the boiling blood of the bull in the taurobolium, etc, or the water that comes out of the rock. In short: we're dealing with the quintessence, that middle-nature, the fractal-mean in nature, and the thigh is the path around which it organizes itself.

(Forgive my use of language-style)

solomon levi
08-08-2012, 07:38 PM
Could this be connected to the suggestion of collecting 'dew' in the month of May?

I'm really not sure. I think that certainly applies, but it seems there is something more
important they wanted to conceal in this imagery and knowledge.
Maybe I'm getting off the topic of alchemy, but it seems to be the same thing that led
Fulcanelli to discuss the Cross of Hendaye.
What I am discovering is that all the sun worshipping is/was not about our sun or
even a planet, be it saturn or venus (satan, lucifer, phosphorus, torch, etc) but about another
sun/star/stargate from which our planet was seeded and will be opening again (2012?).
I'll start another thread on the various astrological leads I've been visiting.

Nibiru
08-08-2012, 08:34 PM
Ok thanks, I just found this story about a thigh but don't know if it relates at all.


BACHUS, BACUS. Bacchus is a Lydian name for Dionysus, the Thracian fertility god. A son of Jupiter, he later became the god of wine. Jupiter visited Semele, princess of Thebes, at night, and when she became pregnant, she asked to see his face. As he showed himself in thunder and lightning, she caught afire; thereupon, Jupiter ripped the infant out of her womb and placed him in his thigh, where he remained until he reached maturity. Ovid calls Bacchus "son of the thunderbolt, twice born" (Met IV.9-17; OM IV.1-118).

from here: http://www.thelowestroom.com/Jason/ApostasiaIndex/bachus.htm

Actually Vega33 already mentioned this above, sorry for reposting..

solomon levi
08-09-2012, 11:25 AM
From what I can find, the thigh seems related to the seat of life and especially procreative power,
so it can apply to dew, to sexual energy, to suns, to genitalia, etc...

solomon levi
08-09-2012, 12:58 PM
What I am discovering is that all the sun worshipping is/was not about our sun or
even a planet, be it saturn or venus (satan, lucifer, phosphorus, torch, etc) but about another
sun/star/stargate from which our planet was seeded and will be opening again (2012?).
I'll start another thread on the various astrological leads I've been visiting.

"In later Greek literature, Hyperion is always distinguished from Helios; the former was ascribed the characteristics
of the 'God of Watchfulness, Wisdom and Light', while the latter became the physical incarnation of the Sun."

"In Greek mythology, Argus Panoptes (Ἄργος Πανόπτης) or Argos, guardian of the heifer-nymph Io and son of Arestor, was a primordial giant whose epithet, "Panoptes", "all-seeing", led to his being described with multiple, often one hundred, eyes. The epithet Panoptes was applied to the Titan of the Sun, Helios, and was taken up as an epithet by Zeus, Zeus Panoptes. "In a way," Walter Burkert observes, "the power and order of Argos the city are embodied in Argos the neatherd, lord of the herd and lord of the land, whose name itself is the name of the land."

- wikipedia

Bel Matina
08-09-2012, 07:02 PM
Bran the Blessed, the Welsh mythological figure upon whom it is supposed the legend of the Fisher King was based, was wounded in the foot or leg (many languages have a word that doesn't distinguish between the two. That legend also comes down to us through medieval manuscripts, and may be subject to the same proscription against mentioning genitals. Bran in turn may be based on the even less interesting story of Brennus, the leader of the Gallic invasion of the Balkans, who was mortally wounded in the leg at Thermopylae. Either way we need not look deeply at the earlier legends for symbolism; the Arthurian myth specifies the thigh and removes its role as an injury that interferes with battle, creating the implication if it hadn't be there before that this is in fact a genital wound. The symbolism of the organs of generation is quite well explored and I doubt I can contribute much by dwelling on it.

Jacob's wound as an explanation for the avoidance of the hip tendon as food ends in quite similar associations. The tendons that anchors at the hip joint runs down the inner thighs, right next to the genitals, to the point that they are not clearly not part of it. A casual reading of Leviticus will reveal how aversive the ancient Israelites were toward anything that wasn't clearly one thing or the other.

Similarly, gestation in the thigh (Herodotus uses a word similar in meaning to English "haunch") is as reasonable an image of male gestation as many can come up with. In this case the association with the organs of generation are more implicit, but still, same thing.

I think it's particularly telling (though perhaps redundant to specify) that in the Greek and Arthurian myths the thigh as genitals stands for the masculine generative organs functioning as feminine. The Fisher King, if wounded in the genitals, is rendered incapable of impregnation. Conversely, Zeus' loins are rendered capable of being impregnated. The story of Jacob is harder to fit into that paradigm, but it seems noteworthy that these tendons may serve as a way of describing the organs of generation in a way that refers simultaneously to both genders and neither, which is exactly the sort of boundary-blurring circumstance that filled the ancient Israelites with fear of the divine.

solomon levi
08-09-2012, 08:46 PM
Fisher King and king fisher - a lot of this symbolism and elements found here as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceyx_(husband_of_Alcyone)

Elements: Pleiades, phosphorus (light bearer/ eosphorus = dawn bringer), Thessaly (the sea), Halcyone (dog salt)