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Andro
03-03-2012, 10:19 AM
I don't recall us having ever discussed the concept of Genesis in depth on this forum.

(I don't mean the biblical book of genesis, at least not exclusively)

I've had my own share of internal revelations, but I haven't (yet) come to the point where I'm ready, willing (and able) to elaborate explicitly what I've 'seen'.

Maybe the 'time' has come for some of us to do so...

So the following could be an appropriate kick-starter:


I haven't the foggiest notion of "first cause" here, why a quantum bubble with primordial consciousness would pop into existence in the first place.
One might look at Genesis as being the story of the consciousness waking up or booting up to self awareness.
Once it exists and becomes self aware what other reason other than continued self awareness might it have?
Following from that I can hypothesize based on experiences of that primordial consciousness I've had that this entire creation follows as the attempt to find a way to preserve that consciousness.
Our continued consciousness depends upon the continued consciousness of our foundation.
It is time based thinking that causes the paradox.
It is very similar to eternal time when what is always has been, and if it should change, then it has always been that, except that in the case of non-existence there isn't One to be conscious of consciousness or its lack.

Genesis/Creation, Time/Space, Reality/Virtuality, Unknown/Unknowable, Sublime Paradoxes and Personal Revelations/Satori...

So, from your/our perspectives and different philosophical angles:

What is the 'First Cause'?

What's going on?

(No religious wars, please :cool:)
✂-----------------------------------------

solomon levi
03-06-2012, 08:11 AM
III said it pretty well IMO.
It twists the mind to imagine it. I suppose one area most are comfortable at reaching
is that "something" was asleep or unaware, unconsciousness, and for some reason, or no reason,
it became aware of Itself and this was the first stirring. Self-awareness or self-contemplation is
always necessarily an expansion, and some have reckoned this the "big bang". This expansion
and consciousness and movement/energy is also light, but not what people normally think of as
visible light which is a very narrow band of the whole. Most light is dark/black relative to the "normal"
range of human vision. Light should be thought of as vibration, not necessarily brightness. Brightness
is a certain range of light/consciousness.

When I say God doesn't think or plan or know, I am saying God contemplated Itself/became aware and expanded
and we are that expansion, the conscious "parts" of God. It is this Light, the conscious parts, that proceded to create
the Universe once it figured out how. The "figuring out" was to realise God's image/likeness - that is, to contemplate
itself just as God did (and that's all that God did by this definition of God). So the Lights contemplated themselves
and/or became self aware and this caused a further unfoldment. Light/consciousness/spirit is now "ensouled".
"lather, rinse, repeat..." eventually you end up here.

I should make a distinction, since this word "God" has always been so confusing. Since "God" represents an entity,
a being, a creator, it would be more appropriate to call the conscious parts, the lights, the creators, "God" and call the
One which became self-aware/awake the Void, or negative existence, AIN, or Ineffable. In the beginning, God was
created... :)

Yeah, Genesis is not a very accurate rendering. Notice God creates the earth and it sprouts vegetation before creating the sun and moon!

So through a series of envelopements and dimensionalisations we have focussed or fixed the unconditioned infinty into this.
It's an amazing art. If we become conscious of it, it is all the alchemy we need.

Seth-Ra
03-06-2012, 06:05 PM
My personal "slant" on the idea of Genesis is pretty much summed up in Genesis. ;)
With the question of "why did God make us/it/All?" - my answer would be to ask Him - OR, to ask a new question: Why not make us/it/All? ;)




Yeah, Genesis is not a very accurate rendering. Notice God creates the earth and it sprouts vegetation before creating the sun and moon!


Actually, what youre referencing right there, i hold to be a very neat, and important Alchemical key. :)
Its also a common theme throughout the Bible in reference to God - that the stars are not the source of light - God is. The spirit is the True Light, the True Fire. The vulgar representation is a false light, and though it has been granted some authority over "light" - the full power of the True Light is not bound by such things and transcends them. In the Koran the angels are seen as made of fire, and in the Bible Lucifer (Light Bearer), or Satan, is seen as having been very beautiful, appearing as an Angel of Light - but its a deceiver, a thing of false light, that leads to a burning destruction, whereas the True Light leads to the Secret Fire which grows and nurtures.

Here is where it gets good though: the two (False and True Light) must "play the game" (think of the caduceus serpents) so that perfection is reached - so that the creation becomes like and with the Creator. It is a game of Love - its all made for our growth - and because we are part of Him, it is part of His growth of fulfillment; to be with us. Just as steel sharpens steel, so does a friend sharpen a friend. When the student can reach the plateau of the Master, its usually going to surpass the Master, pointing out flaws in itself that the Master has unnoticed. Pointing these out, and surpassing, allows the Master growth - and then the cycle continues to benefit them both. This is from a perspective of two humans. God has often played a "game" similar with people, to test our overall growth. After all, Him being perfect, means "it is done" ;) but we are still progressing to get there. Upon such, is a new world we cannot fathom at the present.

That would be my answer, based on my experience, of why All that is, Is, and what the point of Genesis was/is: for us to grow, so as to be with Him/Them.

What are the mechanisms of said Genesis? Spirit/Fire/Sulphur/Soul/Will/Light with Sound/Vibration/Word/Mercury/Water - which then produces Matter, all matter, living, spiraling, expressed, manifest, volatile and fixed, matter.

It may create more questions, or it may create an intuitive sense of "awe" and "knowing/understanding." It does the latter for me. :)
As for more questions - one of my favorite quotes:
Ask the right question to get the right answer.
;)




~Seth-Ra

III
03-06-2012, 08:08 PM
I don't know that Genesis and "first cause" are necessarily linked. The Genesis of this entire creation can be seen, experienced and remembered to a degree, from the original primordial consciousness and onwards. That primordial consciousness is very difficult to remember, at least for me. It is at least 2 steps from direct memory. It's the memory of a memory of a memory. And there was nothing there at all to remember until it changed and split, quite suddenly and was "amazed", that change being the thing that is remembered along with what it was just prior. Without rememnbering the change there is nothing to rememeber. As far as I could see there was no "prior state"to the state of conscious unawareness of the primordial consciousness. The change was a sudden self awareness sort of like "Oh, I can twiddle my fingers". And then to do that over and over exploding into a multiplicity of subdivided, but not separated consciousnesses.

So where do these quantum foam bubbles (this is out of quantum mechanics which gets to be pretty metaphysical) of primordial consciousness come from?

So the first question might be - "Is there more than one". I would be inclined to say yes as I think that I have seen 2 others. If they were not other such quantum bubbles I don't know what or where they were. Everywhere I have gone/seen/sensed in this creation, the quantum bubble we all have our consciousness in, has the same "Cosmic ASseMbly language (CASM). It all can map to local archetypes and is more or less parsable by the local mystics such as myself and others here. These two alien bubbles were totally alien to us here and to each other. They each had their own CASM radically different from our local one. The one bubble was the previously mentioned malignant appearing blobs that ate other bubbles. The other bubble was one in which there appeared to be something similar to here except that the entire architecture and CASM was different. Just as a convienient shorthand I would describe the architecture here as being "wide" and the architecture of this other organized bubble as being "tall". That doesn't begin to describe the alien quality.

What I haven't seen has been any other bubbles that are related by CASM or even any quantity of such. I've seen the talls and the blobs several times each.

What does it take to be self-sustaining? For our bubble to survive, and presumably for the bubble of the Talls to survive, each had to figure out how to prevent predatory consumption of it's own bubble. If the bubbles originate by generating consciousness units that becomce self-existant then one would expect to see multiple bubbles with the same CASM. Either that or so very very few manage to learn how to become predator proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman)
Advaita Vedanta
The universe does not simply possess consciousness, it is consciousness, and this consciousness is Brahman
... It is said that Brahman cannot be known by empirical means — that is to say, as an object of our consciousness — because Brahman is our very consciousness and being
... Generally, Vedanta rejects the notion of an evolving Brahman since Brahman contains within it the potentiality and archetypes behind all possible manifest phenomenal forms.
However, generally is not universally. There are schools of thought that see the possibility, in fact the necessity for evolution of the Absolute.

http://ways-ahead.net/meditation/041-Brahma%20is%20the%20composite%20of%20Shiva%20and%2 0Shakti.pdf (http://ways-ahead.net/meditation/041-Brahma%20is%20the%20composite%20of%20Shiva%20and%2 0Shakti.pdf)
Brahma is the composite of Shiva and Shakti.
This is the basic concept of A'nanda Ma'rga philosophy -- that the Supreme Entity is One but has two aspects: the Cognitive Principle and the Operative Principle, Shiva and Shakti. It is impossible to conceive of one entity without the other; Consciousness and Its Energy of creation are as inseparable as fire and its heat, as milk and its whiteness, as two sides of a piece of paper. This concept has often been depicted symbolically in the image of a hermaphrodite (man and woman in the same body), or in Indian sculpture as two lovers locked in a tight embrace. In this su'tra the term "a'tmakam'" has been used to express the relationship: Brahma is the composite of, the combined name of, Consciousness and the Operative Principle. Brahma is not a third entity.
Then we also have the composite Shiva-Shakti as Ardhanarishvara.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ardhanari.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ardhanari.png)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardhanari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardhanari)
Ardhanarishvara (Sanskrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit_language): अर्धनारीश्वर, Ardhanārīśvara), is a composite androgynous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynous) form of the Hindu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism) god Shiva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva) and his consort Parvati (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvati) (also known as Devi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devi), Shakti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti) and Uma in this icon). Ardhanarishvara is depicted as half male and half female, split down the middle. The right half is usually the male Shiva, illustrating his traditional attributes.

... In the four-armed form, one of the left arms rests on Nandi's head, while the other is bent in kataka (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kataka_mudra&action=edit&redlink=1) pose and holds a nilotpala (blue lotus)

While not mentioned here, the Blue Lotus is I believe the same Blue Lotus of Egyptian alchemical practice and has viagra type properties, it's use fading into pre written historical periods. Shiva/Ardhanarishvara (and alchemists) are often portrayed with a sizable erection. Alchemists are also often portrayed with femine breast(s) as is Shiva/Ardhanarishvara.

In all these things it all points to this primordial consciousness waking up in this quamtum bubble with nothing that has gone before. At the time any of this was experienced by mystics, written or conceived or whatever there was no foundational basis for even conceiving of "quantum foam" or the possiblity of what whould be totally physcally isolated bubbles. EJ Gold speaks of this creation as being the size and nature of a drop of clear water. Maybe that was metaphorical maybe it wasn't. I have perceived it as such as well. It was an archetype I could apply when I saw it. He speaks of the "fractioning" (branching, splitting) which I have seen/experienced as happening involuntarily (involuntary, reflexive ie "star barf", I've also seen "sneeze" and "ejaculation" used by other writers) over and over as the creation goes through the process, "blossoming" and then shrivaling up over and over, and I have seen it essentially as described, multiple times.

EJ Gold has had experiences very close to mine by his descriptions, close enough to understand easily and easily maps to my archetypes.

So all these folks point at this creation and Absolute. Nowhere else have I seen anything about these other quantum foam bubbles except in straight physics rather than mystical, so maybe I'm way off base, I'm only trying to describe my experiences.

However, it does affect this question of first cause, but maybe not by anything except one step further back along the chain. If the bubbles reproduce somehow, then the question is "first bubble?" "steady state?" Nobody likes steadystate even on a mere physical universe basis much less in the whole "first cause" question. What I saw was that If I had a platform of 3 (compatable bubbles, not the blobs) it might be be possible enough to postulate the next dimension in the quantum foam and go there, whatever that might mean. This "platform of 3" is useful elsewhere in this creation. It is like taking KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING and doing the synthesis that is WISDOM, only this has 3 points defining a plain and then the 4th point is synthecized through the next dimension. In this creation that can go for at least 16 dimensions. As above, so below. The same tools work on many levels. That is a tool of this creation. Would it be a tool in the quantum foam? Is that the "psychon" (Lords Of The Psychon) energy?

If the same tools work elsewhere, in the quantum foam or other bubbles what does it mean? Are the tools dependent upon the qualities of quantum foam and bubbles fundamentally or are they designed for one specific bubble only or from some antecedent that is shared or ...? Once we have a bubble with this developing consciousness it develops itself, building more and more on itself, creating a self consensus. We, as portions of this consciousness participate in creating and maintaining this creation. Again, EJ Gold compares us to the cosmic janitorial crew.

solomon levi
03-07-2012, 12:07 AM
I really enjoyed reading both of these posts SethRa and III.

I am skeptical of ascribing purpose or reason or meaning to the Void, but if I had to, I guess
I'd say it is to make known the unknown, to make conscious the unconscious, to shine light where
there is darkness, to reveal "God's" potential - to show "God" to Itself. That is why we exist.

Is it in evolution? It depends on the perspective. I mean "God" is manifest and unmanifest. The
appearance of involution into mass/density and evolution/return are in the manifest, but I totally
get that that may be called a dream. We experience waking from these dreams in a holographic
kind of way in each dimension or level of consciousness, if I may - each popping of bubbles; so it
is logical to presume 'as above, so below'. It is that sudden awakening or awareness that III mentioned
as first noticeable moment. In regard to 'as above, so below', these bubbles are precisely like the electron
shells of an atom or the concentric spheres of sephira, or the layers of the auric egg. By "popping" I do not
mean to say a destruction, but more the way virtual particles pop in and out when given enough energy,
or electrons jumping shells when given enough energy, and falling back when said energy wanes. The human
energy for this popping is awareness/attention. I shouldn't say human energy because it is the same as that
which moves subatomic particles.

Memory is the product of soul, which I described as self-aware spirit/consciousness. So naturally we cannot
remember before that. As III said, suddenly, I am aware(ness). But one can know spirit directly, not as knowledge-
memory, but as Unity. The Void is unknowable. This is similar to AIN SVP AVR -> Kether.

III
03-07-2012, 12:22 AM
I really enjoyed reading both of these posts SethRa and III.

I am skeptical of ascribing purpose or reason or meaning to the Void, but if I had to, I guess
I'd say it is to make known the unknown, to make conscious the unconscious, to shine light where
there is darkness, to reveal "God's" potential - to show "God" to Itself. That is why we exist.

Is it in evolution? It depends on the perspective. I mean "God" is manifest and unmanifest. The
appearance of involution into mass/density and evolution/return are in the manifest, but I totally
get that that may be called a dream. We experience waking from these dreams in a holographic
kind of way in each dimension or level of consciousness, if I may - each popping of bubbles; so it
is logical to presume 'as above, so below'. It is that sudden awakening or awareness that III mentioned
as first noticeable moment. In regard to 'as above, so below', these bubbles are precisely like the electron
shells of an atom or the concentric spheres of sephira, or the layers of the auric egg. By "popping" I do not
mean to say a destruction, but more the way virtual particles pop in and out when given enough energy,
or electrons jumping shells when given enough energy, and falling back when said energy wanes. The human
energy for this popping is awareness/attention. I shouldn't say human energy because it is the same as that
which moves subatomic particles.

Memory is the product of soul, which I described as self-aware spirit/consciousness. So naturally we cannot
remember before that. As III said, suddenly, I am aware(ness). But one can know spirit directly, not as knowledge-
memory, but as Unity. The Void is unknowable. This is similar to AIN SVP AVR -> Kether.


Hi Solomon,

I mean this entire creation, in all it's levels and shells etc are contained in the bubble. It sure seems to be the only bubble and is generally considered such. It's only modern quantum physics that has conceived of the question about if other, in the view of the quantum foam theory - completely isolated in all ways, such bubbles could exist at all with no possible scientifically conceivable means of communication between them.

solomon levi
03-07-2012, 12:46 AM
I see. For me there is a series of self-contemplations - the seven electron shells,
seven auric shells, seven days of creation, etc, each a bubble inside the one bubble.
It is evident to me that we can wake up before the big wake up - there's deja vu,
lucid dreams, self-remembering, communication with the HGA/daimon which is
existing in another sphere/time/frequency... reincarnation and NDE (going to the light)
are other proofs that there are envelopes before the big envelope.
What do you think?

III
03-07-2012, 07:36 AM
I see. For me there is a series of self-contemplations - the seven electron shells,
seven auric shells, seven days of creation, etc, each a bubble inside the one bubble.
It is evident to me that we can wake up before the big wake up - there's deja vu,
lucid dreams, self-remembering, communication with the HGA/daimon which is
existing in another sphere/time/frequency... reincarnation and NDE (going to the light)
are other proofs that there are envelopes before the big envelope.
What do you think?

Hi Solomon,

Seven thresholds, yup. A whole lot of different things on each level. No problem there. These are all part of the system in the quantum bubble. We do indeed wake up by degrees. It's a process. And we get information. All of these many things are ways of expanding what we make into our "self", it's part of growth and evolution. We get acceess in higher dimensions by building in that access.

reincarnation and NDE (going to the light)

And don't forget recurrance. Groundhog Day and all that.

solomon levi
03-07-2012, 09:07 AM
Hah! Funny you shold mention recurrance. I had a big one yesterday!
I wasn't going to talk about it cause i thought it is too unfamiliar to be believed, but since
you/God/spirit brought it up...

This was my personal experience, but I say it is applicable to all - it is there, waiting for us to remember...

Well, how to put into words... we are existing on all levels simultaneously. We are aware of the level in which
our thoughts vibrate at and our attention is aligned with. Only by deconstructing one's identity as a persona
do we undefine and undetermine our awareness making it available to perceive other levels. As Castaneda said,
we are constantly bombarded by infinity, but we possess a magic of converting or skimming infinity's emanations
to select just the ones that compose our personal reality - what we want to see, what we emphasize.
Anyway, what one has to consider, to realise, is that most of these levels are non-physical. And what that means
is that we are dead physically on those levels. This is a wonder and a great mystery - the ability to die daily or often
as spoken of by initiates and mystics. This is greatly simplified when we realise we are already existing on those
levels. For example, there is a level after death where people have a "light review" - their life flashes before their eyes,
they're moving through a tunnel... One can experience this light review at any time. It is happening right now, but when
we associate with linear time and physicality, we don't notice it. Well, I became very aware of it yesterday, intentionally.
But I must have been aware of three levels simultaneously because I could also see that I've had the light review experience
a hundred times (roughly). What I mean is, I have done this before - I mean I have been right here before, many times,
having the very same exact moment and having died and looked at it... you know, I think the "one particle" theory is true:
one particle or bubble capable of moving back and forth in time at various speeds producing the effect of multiplicity, space
and time. That was my experience. So i was physical, having a light review, both the light review watching the physical and
the physical watching the light review, and then I became aware of a third point that was watching me having had many light reviews
about that exact same point/moment in physicality. And more of my awareness was dead/spirit/non-linear than was living/physical.
It was thrilling to say the least. I absolutely changed my fate by finally getting what I was supposed to get in that moment.

We have "family" waiting for us to wake up. And that family is both ourselves and also a group/cell of awarenesses. There's an
amazing web of consciousness, like a virtual internet.

Thanks for letting me share this.

Awani
03-07-2012, 11:00 AM
Good thread.

From the theological perspective I have always liked the Greek poet Hesiod who wrote that it was not a deity that came first but an empty yawning. This empty yawning is Gaia, the Earth Goddess, who brought life into this world and all gods are descendents from her. Károly Kerényi writes in the book The Gods of the Greeks that Hesiod had once been
“a farmer and a poet, and in his youth had pastured sheep… and had sought, as a farmer would, to attribute the rank of senior goddess to Gaia, the Earth.”

I also like Terence McKenna's concept that our whole existence is to be a novelty creating machine.

What seed created everything is unknowable and in my opinion futile to investigate... hopefully, and only, in death will all answers fully come to us. But it is poetic and beautiful to contemplate the unknown and infinite and this I always enjoy doing. That is why religions in a way are so boring because they always pretend to have "THE" story of how if all came to be.

Genesis is right with one thing:


In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

In Al-Kindi's (c. 801 – 873 CE) De radiis stellarum he writes that (and I have quoted this on more than one occasion I think):


“…everything in this world, whether it be substance or accident, produces rays in its own manner like a star… Everything that has actual existence in the world of the elements emits rays in every direction, which fill the whole world.”

Go to the light;)


We have "family" waiting for us to wake up. And that family is both ourselves and also a group/cell of awarenesses. There's an
amazing web of consciousness, like a virtual internet.


“...this radiation binds the world into a vast network in which everything acts upon everything else to produce natural effects. Stars act upon the terrestrial world; magnets, fire, sound, and colors act on objects in their vicinity. Even words conceived by the mind can radiate power and thus produce effects outside the mind.” from David C. Lindberg's Theories of Vision from Al-kindi to Kepler


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3gWi9bBkHQ

:cool:

III
03-07-2012, 09:38 PM
Hah! Funny you shold mention recurrance. I had a big one yesterday!
I wasn't going to talk about it cause i thought it is too unfamiliar to be believed, but since
you/God/spirit brought it up...

This was my personal experience, but I say it is applicable to all - it is there, waiting for us to remember...

Well, how to put into words... we are existing on all levels simultaneously. We are aware of the level in which
our thoughts vibrate at and our attention is aligned with. Only by deconstructing one's identity as a persona
do we undefine and undetermine our awareness making it available to perceive other levels. As Castaneda said,
we are constantly bombarded by infinity, but we possess a magic of converting or skimming infinity's emanations
to select just the ones that compose our personal reality - what we want to see, what we emphasize.
Anyway, what one has to consider, to realise, is that most of these levels are non-physical. And what that means
is that we are dead physically on those levels. This is a wonder and a great mystery - the ability to die daily or often
as spoken of by initiates and mystics. This is greatly simplified when we realise we are already existing on those
levels. For example, there is a level after death where people have a "light review" - their life flashes before their eyes,
they're moving through a tunnel... One can experience this light review at any time. It is happening right now, but when
we associate with linear time and physicality, we don't notice it. Well, I became very aware of it yesterday, intentionally.
But I must have been aware of three levels simultaneously because I could also see that I've had the light review experience
a hundred times (roughly). What I mean is, I have done this before - I mean I have been right here before, many times,
having the very same exact moment and having died and looked at it... you know, I think the "one particle" theory is true:
one particle or bubble capable of moving back and forth in time at various speeds producing the effect of multiplicity, space
and time. That was my experience. So i was physical, having a light review, both the light review watching the physical and
the physical watching the light review, and then I became aware of a third point that was watching me having had many light reviews
about that exact same point/moment in physicality. And more of my awareness was dead/spirit/non-linear than was living/physical.
It was thrilling to say the least. I absolutely changed my fate by finally getting what I was supposed to get in that moment.

We have "family" waiting for us to wake up. And that family is both ourselves and also a group/cell of awarenesses. There's an
amazing web of consciousness, like a virtual internet.

Thanks for letting me share this.

Hi Solomon,

NOW we are on the same page.

There's an amazing web of consciousness, like a virtual internet.

The "crystal grid" as it is sometimes called

Like Osiris we have to put ourselves together, fully uniting all the "cut off" variations and versions of our consciousness, and integrating all of it. In this "light review" we see what is keeping each part cut off, allowing us to unite our consciousness. This happens over and over again in larger and larger pieces. Then we attach the the "output" to the "input", the snake eating it's tail, comverting ones self to this self directing fractal with eternal consciousness. In this then also consider Dev's quote of McKenna about a novelty producing machine. We are a dynamicly growing being as long as each pass is novel, differnt from any other. Once a person settles on "the one true way to live life" and repeats the same life endlessly, consciouness becomes limited and cuts off all the rest of self.

Then to find the self, the watcher of self and the watcher of the watcher, excellent There is an exercise of arranging these aspects in a way described by a bow and arrow.

As EJ Gold says in Life in the Labrynth, we have the ability to turn amazing macrodimensional happenings into the totally mundane.

The review and changes therein are a major informationm source for purifying-refining our being. So the whole thing cycles, grow, purify, resynthecize, over and over and over. The limit of our growth, being a virtual growth, is our own self conception of limits. Each time we can fold space finding an anditional way to "fold" and "replicate" outselves, the more variants we can have providing more grist for the mill.

Happy groundhog day.

III
03-08-2012, 06:00 PM
Good thread.

From the theological perspective I have always liked the Greek poet Hesiod who wrote that it was not a deity that came first but an empty yawning. This empty yawning is Gaia, the Earth Goddess, who brought life into this world and all gods are descendents from her. Károly Kerényi writes in the book The Gods of the Greeks that Hesiod had once been

I also like Terence McKenna's concept that our whole existence is to be a novelty creating machine.

What seed created everything is unknowable and in my opinion futile to investigate... hopefully, and only, in death will all answers fully come to us. But it is poetic and beautiful to contemplate the unknown and infinite and this I always enjoy doing. That is why religions in a way are so boring because they always pretend to have "THE" story of how if all came to be.

Genesis is right with one thing:



In Al-Kindi's (c. 801 – 873 CE) De radiis stellarum he writes that (and I have quoted this on more than one occasion I think):



Go to the light;)






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3gWi9bBkHQ

:cool:

Hi Dev,

That is why religions in a way are so boring because they always pretend to have "THE" story of how if all came to be.

Why doesn't everybody know? "And multivac said "let there be light" and entropy was reversed.

I also like Terence McKenna's concept that our whole existence is to be a novelty creating machine.

EJ Gold suggested that all of this creation is as an escape from ultimate boredom, something to create "novelty".

Perhpas part of the "trick" in alchemy is to find or design a scalable system so that the it works whether using the smallest micro conciousness or are virtual arrangements of gazillions of creation size units.

solomon levi
03-14-2012, 05:26 PM
With some investigation, one can see for oneself where we've come from,
at least to the extent that one can see. For me, the myths have it accurately:
father time, chronos, saturn. I can observe directly right now that I am where
I am because of the way I apply time, which is to say, linearly. I can see how
the idea of the self is created by linear time and memory. I can see this present
comprehension of reality as a product of those memories. So few people
realise they are living in a memory. We arrived here through memory and
linear time. This whole existence appears due to your art of memory - of
re-membering the moment before, and the moment before that, and the moment
before that... clearly the solution, the solvent of this re-membered time is a-temporal
non-memory. What else? What Jesus? What good? What God? - all memories.
Right now, this present presence, is nothing you can or have ever thought of.
It is the undoing of thought and thinker.