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Phoenix
01-06-2009, 12:41 AM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm) created by spectre.

Greetings all,

I'm new here and I'm also completely new to Alchemy, just started looking into so far have only read on spiritual theories so far.

But I bought an ebook by Art Kunkin, who claims he studied Alchemy for 7 seven years at the Paracelsus Research Society (now closed) under Frater Albertus. It's called Alchemy: The Secrets of Immortality Finally Revealed. It's a short 70 page book and a work in progress so only portion 1 of 5 (book 1) is finished and the rest of the portions are either not finished or pretty incomplete. The first portion of the book is about "How to Easily Make An Herbal Stone For Adding Years To Your Life".

But you read "Free Ebook" in the title of my post and you read correctly: I'm allowed to give away 10 copies of the book so please PM me to get your free copy. An please tell me what you think of it after you've skimmed over it, I'm really interested in knowing what others think the "Herbal Stone" information in the ebook, since I'm myself completely inexperienced in the art. To be honest I'm slightly worried that I might've been scammed and that the information is worthless so I'm asking for people to check it out and tell me its worth
I noticed the last few "chapters" of the book are really just a few sentences. Is it suppose to be like this, or is this pdf some type of rough draft?
Yes, I suppose so. It's said in the introduction
"January 18, 2008 - This is an uncorrected and incomplete manuscript edition of this book as of this date... In coming weeks I will be sending updated editions of this manuscript to all people on my mailing list at no additional charge until the final edition becomes available." etc. etc.

So, perhaps I've been scammed since there was absolutely no warning given that the book was incomplete with only "Book One" finished. I guess I'll give Art Kunchin the benefit of a doubt for some time until I see how he responds to my email questions. I haven't read "Book One" yet myself but I'm going to soon. Please tell me what you think yourself though
Hmm, that is a very bad style for any author. I had doubts about this book from the very beginning, but I don't know though, the author is fairly old (80 I think?) and may not be able to spend much time writing.

Anyway, thank you for providing this book to the members of this forum.
I read it. According to inet records Art is old, many years involving in art, with "known artists" such Albert etc. The trick is to put an apple to uranite for some days. According to his outlook and story some effect is probable. You can find some his 10y old posts in forums...
Thanks, I think I'm getting to that part. Am now reading through his theory about the Secret Fire being radiation. Anyway if anyone else want a copy of the book just give me a quick PM and I'll send a link back

According to inet records Art is old, many years involving in art ;-), with "known artists" such Albert etc.
Yeah, I've heard some interesting stuff about Art and ran across some of his posts a few months ago. I am kind of jealous that he worked with Albert and other known semi "famous" alchemists, but apparently even they were unsuccessful in creating the philosopher's stone. Atleast that's how Art portrays it in his book (most were able to create powerful medicines though).


Am now reading through his theory about the Secret Fire being radiation.
I haven't gotten that far yet, basically I've been jumping around the book, but I'll probably read that part next. I'm not all to convinced at this moment that the Secret Fire is radiation. I've always been taught that any kind of radiation is harmful to the body, i.e. it mutates/breaks down DNA.
His method to make the Herbal Stone is basically to take a radioactive rare mineral, place it in a mug with an organic apple or pear for a week or so and then consume it.

But I'm thinking that maybe the Secret Fire might be radioactivity or some kind of energy waves but I don't believe it's only "radioactive minerals". I don't buy it that the anicent Alchemists were using radioactive minerals but maybe they used something else.. the Sun energy? I don't know. I'm reading this other book called "The Electric Sky" which is about Plasma Cosmology. Here's a video that got me interested: Thunderbolts of the Gods (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374)

His method to make the Herbal Stone is basically to take a radioactive rare mineral, place it in a mug with an organic apple or pear for a week or so and then consume it.
Yeah, I totally disagree with this method, and I don't think slightly radioactive apple's will extend one's life or offer health benefits. If this method is indeed producing results, it's because the apple might be leeching monatomic transition metals from the radioactive ore.


I don't buy it that the anicent Alchemists were using radioactive minerals but maybe they used something else.. the Sun energy?
The sun symbology directly relates to gold, and if you research a large amount of occult literature you'll notice the sun plays a very prominent role in the occult. It's related directly to tiphereth, sol/sun, 6, hexagram/hexagon, light, adonai, christ, serpent, solomon, the ark of the covenant, and the HGA. Crowley makes some of these connections very clear in a few of his works.

If you've read a number of my posts on this board, you'll soon notice that I am very heavily involved in the study of "occult" gold (Nostradamus mentions this term), or the white powder of gold. It's my contention that this is the true "philosopher's stone" and I notice Art mentions it in his book. However, I believe he's mislead, or hasn't done the proper research. This is the true secret.
Thanks for your reply about the book BE. I kind of agree with you that his view on alchemy seems very narrow and I'm unsatisfied that he doesn't give more information about alchemy since he's supposedly been practicing it for so many years. But I'll see how his response will be to my email and how it goes with updating the missing material. I sent him an email 13. April and have yet to get a response but I'll let you people know how that goes.


Crowley makes some of these connections very clear in a few of his works.

Just wondering is Crowley any good for alchemical information? I've never been much into AC.
Moved this to a more suitable place i.e. alchemical texts!


Just wondering is Crowley any good for alchemical information? I've never been much into AC.
A good portion of his information is good, and quite enlightening. You have to remember though, Crowley was an occultist and not much of an alchemist. Although from what I remember, he did have an alchemy phase during his life. I believe Crowley ties together a lot of the secrets of alchemy in some of his works. If you review my threads in this section of the forum, "Alchemical Texts", you will see a few examples of these.
Pitch blend contains small amounts of radium. Radium can transfer it's properties to other substances. The apples/pears are being irradiated by the radium. Super super small amounts may be fine, but long term use can be disastrous.

I'm wondering how Mr. Art Kunkin is doing in light of this information.


I'm wondering how Mr. Art Kunkin is doing in light of this information.

I don't know, in the ebook he claims his "hair and nails have started to grow at a faster rate".

I haven't heard from him at all. I sent him an email to two of his email addresses over a month ago but haven't received any response. I checked my receipt and my cash transfer went to "Los Angeles Free Press" (link (http://losangelesfreepress.com/)) which is a newspaper he established in 1964.

I just now emailed him again to his two email addresses plus his Los Angeles Free Press email address. He's been a lecturer at alchemical conferences (I believe held by the "International Alchemy Guild"), he studied for many years at Frater Albertus' Paracelsus school and supposedly he was an interim president at the Philosophical Research Society for a short period after Manly P. Hall died (I sent them an email asking about this and was told by the respondent that "he believed this" but that Kunkin hasn't been associated with the PRS in any capacity since the early 90's.. I'm still not sure though and think maybe someone mixed Paracelsus Research Society with Philosophical Research Society on his resume for a lecture .. since Kunkin himself doesn't mention this on his own homepage). So he has some "resume" but I'm still starting to doubt him. To be honest his ebook isn't even finished and yet he charges 30$ for it, which is no small price considering the quality and the fact it's only a downloadable ebook. He seemingly doesn't respond to emails but I'll give him the benefit of a doubt until I see if he responds to my last one. Besides the money he charges for his book goes directly to his LA Free Press, which makes it look like he's just publishing his ebook to keep his project going; although I don't doubt it's probably a good project to support. It's just that the quality of his book is rather shabby so far since it's incomplete, the price is rather steep with that in mind, the money goes to his LA Free Press.. so you start to wonder if he's just trying to cash in on his alchemical dabble for his newspaper and that it's not really done for the alchemy itself.

He does provide a novel theory in his ebook that probably isn't found elsewhere but there's still the question of his method and theory. I myself don't believe that the ancient alchemists were speaking about "nuclear transmutation" in their works or even radiation as the "secret fire". Personally I'd even consider the radiation of the Sun's rays and the ionic stream it emits to be more interesting than radioactive minerals (well, at minimum it's very important for plant alchemy).

There is one other French alchemist, Professor Albert Cau that according to Kunkin's book shares similar ideas to him about radioactivity and alchemy (and supposedly even calls Kunkin "the only true alchemist in the US" or something like that). Here's Albert Cau's website:

Alchemy - Scientific Study of Alchemy (http://albert.cau.free.fr/).

... or even radiation as the "secret fire". Personally I'd even consider the radiation of the Sun's rays and the ionic stream it emits to be more interesting than radioactive minerals (well, at minimum it's very important for plant alchemy).

Ah, I've found there are actually more than one "secret fires" in alchemy. The one most normally associated with this term is ammonium nitrate. When water is left out at night, it absorbs ammonium nitrate from the surrounding air & atmosphere. This special water can then be evaporated to form a white salt. This white salt was called by the old alchemists "the water that does not wet the hands." In this way they easily concealed the real meaning, and thus it can only be understood by initiates of the art. The same thing happens with morning dew (which is high in ammonium nitrate, and other substances), and when salts are placed out to deliquesce. Also, many adepts of the art believe the ammonium ion is responsible for the transmutation of elements. Another secret fire is the salt of an animals horns or antlers - which is ammonium bicarbonate. Just thought I'd toss that out there for you to ponder on.


There is one other French alchemist, Professor Albert Cau that according to Kunkin's book shares similar ideas to him about radioactivity and alchemy (and supposedly even calls Kunkin "the only true alchemist in the US" or something like that).

That's laughable because Kunkin doesn't even possess the stone, and honestly, his apple+pitchblende mess is absolutely laughable. If that's his Philosopher's Stone, then something must be off, because it's nothing like the attributes of the true stone mentioned by many infamous adepts of the art. I will say this: many alchemists possess the stone - the secret underground alchemy community is quite lively. We've made MANY interesting discoveries over the past few months. Transmutation is indeed real.

It's perhaps the best kept secret of all time.



Ah, I've found there are actually more than one "secret fires" in alchemy. The one most normally associated with this term is ammonium nitrate. When water is left out at night, it absorbs ammonium nitrate from the surrounding air & atmosphere. This special water can then be evaporated to form a white salt. This white salt was called by the old alchemists "the water that does not wet the hands." In this way they easily concealed the real meaning, and thus it can only be understood by initiates of the art. The same thing happens with morning dew (which is high in ammonium nitrate, and other substances), and when salts are placed out to deliquesce. Also, many adepts of the art believe the ammonium ion is responsible for the transmutation of elements. Another secret fire is the salt of an animals horns or antlers - which is ammonium bicarbonate. Just thought I'd toss that out there for you to ponder on.


I appreciate it, thanks.

I made a new thread here (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=277) about Albert Cau since I read some of his site.

I will say this: many alchemists possess the stone - the secret underground alchemy community is quite lively. We've made MANY interesting discoveries over the past few months. Transmutation is indeed real.

It's perhaps the best kept secret of all time.

While I'm new to this forum I'm in no way new to alchemy. Lately I've been reading and seeing more people mention some "secret underground" community of new alchemists who are doing transmutations or so they claim. Many of this centered around *** (http://alchemy-illuminated.com) and his theories on the matter. I've seen his rather over dramatic video of his elixir of life on his website, which to me- may as well be just food coloring in a vial. There is nothing in his claims that I've seen verified and if anyone could point me to something contrary to this then please do. It wouldn't take much to anonymously post pictures or preferably video of a true transmutation but as of yet all I've seen is just talk...and nothing more.
While I'm not a member of his forum - I know people on the forum. They tend to relay information to me, and what I've heard and seen so far is quite astounding.

You should sign up for his forum, and check it out. The results are interesting, and many individuals have posted transmutation photos. One guy even wrote up an entire pdf.
While I don't mean to sound crass I have tried on a few occasions to sign up to his forum, and for whatever reason I was denied...perhaps because I'm not cool enough or underground enough. I too have people who are on his forum and they are less ready to agree to the notion that transmutations are being truly effected. At the very most they suggest the metals are being tinged (as in the case of his tin and gold Ankh photo on his website)...Again I will state that if anyone were worried about displaying a transmutation for whatever reason- anonymity is a readily available commodity on the internet. Until I see something more concrete, it's all just posturing to me and nothing more.


Just wondering is Crowley any good for alchemical information? I've never been much into AC.

I wouldn't bother with Crowley- sure he borrows from alchemy on occasion. But if it was a choice between someone who borrows or someone who owns, I'd choose the latter. As far as Kunkin is concerned- I'm of the opinion that you should take it as a lesson learned, I don't think you were scammed, but it's not like he should be selling 1/5 of his book for full price. I talked to him a few times some years ago, and he does have an extensive alchemical library and is somewhat versed. But no- I do not believe his rocks are in any way shape or form related to the secret fire of the alchemist. They will tell you that it is of a vaporous quality & nature- I suppose if you really want to stretch the metaphor, perhaps to the point of torture, his radioactive rocks could be vaporous in nature. But I don't think I'll be purchasing that lemon...I'd be more inclined to believe the perpetual fire of the philosophers is the Centralia, PA landfill and coal fire (going strong since 1962). Though the last time I corresponded with Art he asked me what I thought the secret fire was, no doubt it was so he could plug his theory. He suggested that one of his colleagues Patrick Riviere (the only student of Canseliet) was under the impression it was pitchblende or some such matter. But whenever I asked him "what is philosophical about that?" he never replied back. If ever you're working on a theory, I feel it's always wise to ask yourself this question. More often then not people want to complicate the matter so thoroughly that it resembles whatever they want it to after they've reworked it enough. And ignoring whole chunks of the historic account will get you nowhere.
Thanks, I appreciate your advice.

About Kunkin, he has knowledge of alchemy but I still *feel* scammed and I'm not hopeful that I'll get an update of his book and certainly not an answer from him via email, already emailed him to three email addresses and I suspect he simply ignores emails from those that have already bought the book.
Sorry he's not responding...I had his phone number awhile back ago, if you want it PM me and I'll try to dig it up.
Nah, my main question to him was whether I was on his mailing list for his book updates.. I feel a bit disappointed but I've started reading other books now, thanks for the offer though.
Secret fire is the amanita muscaria....
Beyond your seemingly truthful intentions & knowledge, what have you to say about this? This board is about discussion, the free exchange of arcane knowledge. All I've seen from you so far is a post advertising a book, and this one other post. Not much of a contribution I suppose.

It may be A secret fire, but it's not THE secret fire. Just like THE secret fire is not from pitch-blende or radium.

Those that know little about the art often imagine the light at the end of the tunnel is close, but this is far from the truth. I was just like this at one point, but honestly, the more I've learned about alchemy, the more I understand that the light I once beheld was only a false light, for the true light is not found with such ease (only a false light). Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance with this statement, but if I know anything - it's that I know nothing.
hi to all the alchemy lovers, I'm new to this forum, my name is valerio and i write to you from Italy and very interested in the art kunkin book, is there possible to have a copy of his book ?
I do'nt think alchemy is so simple as kunkin's says, but maybe some useful informations is there in the book ?

i'm 36 years old and studyng alchemy from 15 years old, i got, and read, all the ancients and moderns alchemical text including the work of david hudson and his monoatomic elements and i wish to say that the philosopher's stone is not a low radioactive apple, i suppose...

about albert cau, I have purchased a copy of his book directly from French, i can say that in his web page he do not says a lot of infos, but his book i very, very interesting. the only bug is that the book is written in french and for me very hard to understand. now i'm involved in an italian, for personal purposes, traduction.