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nav2010
03-27-2012, 12:01 AM
Most of you already know some of what you are about to read, some of you won’t and some of you will have suspected. This thread will be in two parts, like I have said some of you will know the first part but none of you will know the second part.
It is about the electron field relationship between elements of the period table, how nature moves across the elements forming certain elements from two other elements under certain conditions. Those conditions for the time being are not important, what is important is our understanding of the electron field and its related proton field.
Firstly so people can understand what I’m talking about I would like you to use this periodic table because it shows electron fields and shells when you simply run the mouse over the top of an element.
http://www.ptable.com/
Part one, the common denominator principle.

I am now going to go through how nature creates a new element with a new electron shell by its combination of two existing elements within the table. Firstly I will explain that nature when we are talking about these stable elements only allows a maximum of 2 electrons in the first shell, 8 in the second, 18 in the third, 32 in the fourth and 18 in the fifth.
We are going to start off with Oxygen in the periodic table so just run your mouse over the top of Oxygen, Oxygen as you can see has 2 electron shells, 2 electrons in the first orbit (shell) and 6 in the second orbit. Now run your mouse over the top of Sulfur which is located directly beneath Oxygen. Sulfur has 2 electrons in the first shell which is the maximum and 8 electrons in the second which is also the maximum but retains the 6 electrons that were in the Oxygen element in its third shell. Those 6 electrons we are going to call ‘none maxi’. None maxi are electrons that sit in a shell where they do not reach the maximum numbers of electrons allowed in nature in that shell, none maxi are allowed to move in nature much easier than all other electrons. When ever you see the same number of none maxi within an element we know that it is related to other elements with the same figure, so all the elements beneath Oxygen in that column with the 6 none maxi are related.
So how did nature get from Oxygen to Sulfur? It is actually quite simple and my term for this is ‘the common denominator principle’. Nature takes Oxygen using this principle and adds another element to create Sulfur. In this case nature adds the element Neon to Oxygen to create Sulfur. Neon which is listed on the periodic table as the tenth element is located 2 positions to the right of Oxygen. Run your mouse over Neon and you will see that it has 2 electron shells, the first has 2 electrons and the second has 8 electrons so Neon has reached the maximum permitted number of electrons in its shells by nature.
How does nature combine Oxygen and Neon to create Sulfur and how does the mathematics work?
Each shell of each element has to be added together but where ever there is a match there is a cancellation that takes place. In the case of Oxygen and Neon where the first shell of each element is 2 electrons, we cannot add 2+2 and make 4 because nature doesn’t allow 4 electrons in the first shell. So in the first shell, 2 Oxygen + 2 Neon = 2 sulfur but the remaining 2 electrons don’t go into the next shell, they cancel each other out.
When we add the second shell of Oxygen which is 6 to that of Neon which is 8 there is no match so we can add them. 6+8=14 and nature doesn’t allow 14 electrons in the second shell, so we take the maximum of 8 for our sulfur shell which then leaves 6 none maxi to jump into a new shell.
Oxygen Neon Sulfur
2 + 2 = 2 cancellation or denominator
6 + 8 = 8 maximum
Remaining 6 none maxi 6
Now we can have fun, we take Oxygen and we want to change it to Phosphorus
Oxygen Fluorine phosphorus
2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
6 + 7 = 8 maximum
Remaining 5 none maxi 5

Copper Silicone Arsenic
2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 = 8 cancellation
18 + 4 = 18 maximum
1 + 4 remain NM 5

Arsenic Oxygen ?
2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 6 = 8 maximum
18 = 18 maximum
5 + 6 MN = 11
You will have noticed that there is a question mark of what element this is. Obviously there are 39 electrons so we would have to look for an element with 39 electrons. This element is Yttrium. Its electron field is as follows
2
8
18
9
2
There is a reason for this which I will go into later but for now you can try all the different elements by adding 2 elements together to form more elements in this way. It will always form an element no matter which way you try it.
This is the basic principle that electron fields will always follow except in naturally decaying elements such as radio active elements which are unstable.
No matter what you do, you will not in the periodic table find any 2 elements that will combine to form gold. The reason for this I will explain in the second part of this thread.

Part 2 – the great periodic table swindle.
Go to the periodic table and place you mouse over the element Helium, take note of the electron shells and their configurations as you do it, move down the column beneath Helium carefully watching the patterns and the relationships to the elements as you go till you reach Radon at the bottom of that column. Make a note of the relationship of all the elements to each other through the electron configuration.
Then Move into Fluorine at the top of the next column to the left. Again take note as you move down through the Fluorine column of the electron field relationship. Then move onto the Oxygen column and do the same, do this till you reach the Boron column and that is the end of that little exercise.
Next we are going to start at the top of the smaller column to the left which is Zinc down to mercury. Again take note of the electron shells, numbers etc and their respective relationships.
Next go to the Copper column and scroll down to Gold and see the similar relationships there. Now we reach the IMPORTANT column which is the Nickel column.
You will see a pattern change from all the previous elemental columns you have been studying. This is where the periodic swindle starts and has been purposely misleading us for years. The Nickel electron pattern is a complete and utter lie, all the columns to the left which are Cobalt, Iron, Manganese, Chromium, Vanadium, Titanium and Scandium are all wrong and misleading along with their related elements in those columns.
Why? So that none of the elements in any combinations can ever add up to Gold in the common denominator principle.
All of those columns I just mentioned have had their electron field configurations tampered with apart from a couple. Nickel according to the periodic table has an electron field as follows
2
8
16
2
This is a lie; Nickel’s true configuration is as follows
2
8
18
In nature it is impossible to have 16 electrons in the third shell in a stable element when there are 2 electrons free in the fourth shell. This is because of the denominator principle.
The third electron shell of Nickel cannot form a fourth shell unless the third shell is full to its maximum of 18.
The next element in the Nickel column is Palladium. This one is already correct and the next one down is Platinum:
2
8
18
32
17
1
Again, this is impossible. Platinum cannot create a sixth shell till the fifth shell is at its maximum. Therefore, Platinum is as follows:-
2
8
18
32
18
Notice when this happens with this new Platinum configuration how it fits in with Gold quite nicely in the left to right configurations.
All instances where an electron shell isn’t full to it’s maximum and another shell appears are fiction.
Iron according to the periodic table:
2
8
14
2
The real Iron
2
8
16
The real Cobalt
2
8
17
How does all this affect the periodic table? Well, we start to get a true picture which has been kept away from us of which possible elements when combined can form valuable metals such as Gold and Silver.
Most of the other combined elements in our new periodic table are the same except the 3 elements Nickel, Palladium and platinum become neutral and will not form new metals and will combine to form the same metal they combine with but more of it. The equation as follows:-
Nickel Gold Gold
2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 = 8 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
32 = 32
18 = 18
1 = 1
or Silver Palladium silver
2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 = 8 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
1 = 1
or Zirconium Nickel Fluorine silver
2 + 2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 + 7 = 8 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
12 +7NM = 18 max
= 1

OR
Cobalt Zinc Silver
2 + 2 = 2 can
8 + 8 = 8 can
17 + 18 = 18 max
2 = 18 max
+1 NM = 1
Now here is something about our new periodic table. Tungsten in the old table married with Phosphorus would look like this:-

Tungsten Phosphorus no such element
2 + 2 = 2
8 + 8 = 8
18 + 5 = 18
32 + = 32
12 + 5 NM = 17
2 + = 2
Under the new periodic table it would look like this:-
Tungsten Phosphorus Gold
2 + 2 = 2
8 + 8 = 8
18 + 5 = 18
32 + = 32
14 + 5NM = 18 maximum
1NM = 1
Because there were 2 electrons in the sixth shell of Tungsten it made it impossible for Tungsten to become Gold. This is the big lie. That was the importance of misleading us all. It is important to notice that we can end up with more than 1 electron in the sixth shell of elements. For example, Mercury has 2 and Lead has 4. Nature has gone past the point of normal electron field building if you wish for Lead to become Gold. Thallium, Lead and Bismuth have gone past the point of no return as far as the electron field is concerned, Mercury too.
James bond will return in 2 years time in ‘you only live twice’

alfdib
04-17-2012, 12:35 AM
....All of those columns I just mentioned have had their electron field configurations tampered with apart from a couple. Nickel according to the periodic table has an electron field as follows
2
8
16
2
This is a lie; Nickel’s true configuration is as follows
2
8
18
In nature it is impossible to have 16 electrons in the third shell in a stable element when there are 2 electrons free in the fourth shell. This is because of the denominator principle.
The third electron shell of Nickel cannot form a fourth shell unless the third shell is full to its maximum of 18.
The next element in the Nickel column is Palladium. This one is already correct and the next one down is Platinum:
2
8
18
32
17
1
Again, this is impossible. Platinum cannot create a sixth shell till the fifth shell is at its maximum. Therefore, Platinum is as follows:-
2
8
18
32
18
Notice when this happens with this new Platinum configuration how it fits in with Gold quite nicely in the left to right configurations.
All instances where an electron shell isn’t full to it’s maximum and another shell appears are fiction.
Iron according to the periodic table:
2
8
14
2
The real Iron
2
8
16
The real Cobalt
2
8
17
.....

have you studied chemical physic at the university?
Seems to me not...
what you writing here is not true....
and what is present in that periodic table is absolutely correct...
the electrons go in the orbitals of less energy first...
as the orbital 4s has lower energy then the orbital of 3d, the electrons simply go first there....
look the orbitals in the picture and they are indeed putted ( in term of high) with the right level of energy...so you know where the electrons go first.
that's simply why they putted all the orbitals in a "so strange" arrangement... to make it easier to understand where the electrons go first.

Ghislain
04-17-2012, 08:45 AM
Hi nav2010

I do not profess to know anything about what you mentioned in your first post.

I hope you dont mind, but I have laid your text out in a manner that may make it easier to follow for those that do.

Also this leaves space at the side for the periodic table :)


The great periodic table swindle

Most of you already know some of what you are about to read, some of you won’t and some of you
will have suspected. This thread will be in two parts, like I have said some of you will know the first
part but none of you will know the second part.

It is about the electron field relationship between elements of the period table, how nature moves
across the elements forming certain elements from two other elements under certain conditions.
Those conditions for the time being are not important, what is important is our understanding of the
electron field and its related proton field.

Firstly so people can understand what I’m talking about I would like you to use this periodic table
because it shows electron fields and shells when you simply run the mouse over the top of an element.

http://www.ptable.com/

Part one, the common denominator principle.

I am now going to go through how nature creates a new element with a new electron shell by its
combination of two existing elements within the table. Firstly I will explain that nature when we are
talking about these stable elements only allows a maximum of 2 electrons in the first shell, 8 in the
second, 18 in the third, 32 in the fourth and 18 in the fifth.

We are going to start off with Oxygen in the periodic table so just run your mouse over the top of
Oxygen, Oxygen as you can see has 2 electron shells, 2 electrons in the first orbit (shell) and 6 in the
second orbit. Now run your mouse over the top of Sulfur which is located directly beneath Oxygen.
Sulfur has 2 electrons in the first shell which is the maximum and 8 electrons in the second which is
also the maximum but retains the 6 electrons that were in the Oxygen element in its third shell.

Those 6 electrons we are going to call ‘none maxi’. None maxi are electrons that sit in a shell where
they do not reach the maximum numbers of electrons allowed in nature in that shell, none maxi are
allowed to move in nature much easier than all other electrons. When ever you see the same
number of none maxi within an element we know that it is related to other elements with the same
figure, so all the elements beneath Oxygen in that column with the 6 none maxi are related.

So how did nature get from Oxygen to Sulfur? It is actually quite simple and my term for this is ‘the
common denominator principle’. Nature takes Oxygen using this principle and adds another element
to create Sulfur. In this case nature adds the element Neon to Oxygen to create Sulfur. Neon which is
listed on the periodic table as the tenth element is located 2 positions to the right of Oxygen. Run
your mouse over Neon and you will see that it has 2 electron shells, the first has 2 electrons and the
second has 8 electrons so Neon has reached the maximum permitted number of electrons in its
shells by nature.

How does nature combine Oxygen and Neon to create Sulfur and how does the mathematics work?

Each shell of each element has to be added together but where ever there is a match there is a
cancellation that takes place. In the case of Oxygen and Neon where the first shell of each element is
2 electrons, we cannot add 2+2 and make 4 because nature doesn’t allow 4 electrons in the first
shell. So in the first shell, 2 Oxygen + 2 Neon = 2 sulfur but the remaining 2 electrons don’t go into
the next shell, they cancel each other out.

When we add the second shell of Oxygen which is 6 to that of Neon which is 8 there is no match so
we can add them. 6+8=14 and nature doesn’t allow 14 electrons in the second shell, so we take the
maximum of 8 for our sulfur shell which then leaves 6 none maxi to jump into a new shell.

Oxygen(O) Neon(Ne) Sulfur(S)

2 + 2 = 2 cancellation or denominator
6 + 8 = 8 maximum
Remaining 6 none maxi 6

Now we can have fun, we take Oxygen and we want to change it to Phosphorus

Oxygen(O) Fluorine(F) phosphorus(P)

2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
6 + 7 = 8 maximum
Remaining 5 none maxi 5

Copper(Cu) Silicone(Si) Arsenic(As)

2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 = 8 cancellation
18 + 4 = 18 maximum
1 + 4 remain NM 5

Arsenic(As) Oxygen(O) ?

2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 6 = 8 maximum
18 = 18 maximum
5 + 6 MN = 11

You will have noticed that there is a question mark of what element this is. Obviously there are 39
electrons so we would have to look for an element with 39 electrons. This element is Yttrium. Its
electron field is as follows

2
8
18
9
2

There is a reason for this which I will go into later but for now you can try all the different elements
by adding 2 elements together to form more elements in this way. It will always form an element no
matter which way you try it.

This is the basic principle that electron fields will always follow except in naturally decaying elements
such as radio active elements which are unstable.

No matter what you do, you will not in the periodic table find any 2 elements that will combine to
form gold. The reason for this I will explain in the second part of this thread.

Part 2 – the great periodic table swindle.

Go to the periodic table and place you mouse over the element Helium, take note of the electron
shells and their configurations as you do it, move down the column beneath Helium carefully
watching the patterns and the relationships to the elements as you go till you reach Radon at the
bottom of that column. Make a note of the relationship of all the elements to each other through
the electron configuration.

Then Move into Fluorine at the top of the next column to the left. Again take note as you move
down through the Fluorine column of the electron field relationship. Then move onto the Oxygen
column and do the same, do this till you reach the Boron column and that is the end of that little
exercise.

Next we are going to start at the top of the smaller column to the left which is Zinc down to mercury.
Again take note of the electron shells, numbers etc and their respective relationships.

Next go to the Copper column and scroll down to Gold and see the similar relationships there. Now
we reach the IMPORTANT column which is the Nickel column.

You will see a pattern change from all the previous elemental columns you have been studying. This
is where the periodic swindle starts and has been purposely misleading us for years. The Nickel
electron pattern is a complete and utter lie, all the columns to the left which are Cobalt, Iron,
Manganese, Chromium, Vanadium, Titanium and Scandium are all wrong and misleading along with
their related elements in those columns.

Why? So that none of the elements in any combinations can ever add up to Gold in the common
denominator principle.

All of those columns I just mentioned have had their electron field configurations tampered with
apart from a couple. Nickel(Ni) according to the periodic table has an electron field as follows

2
8
16
2

This is a lie; Nickel’s true configuration is as follows

2
8
18

In nature it is impossible to have 16 electrons in the third shell in a stable element when there are 2
electrons free in the fourth shell. This is because of the denominator principle.

The third electron shell of Nickel cannot form a fourth shell unless the third shell is full to its
maximum of 18.

The next element in the Nickel column is Palladium(Pd). This one is already correct and the next one
down is Platinum(Pt):

2
8
18
32
17
1

Again, this is impossible. Platinum cannot create a sixth shell till the fifth shell is at its maximum.
Therefore, Platinum is as follows:-

2
8
18
32
18

Notice when this happens with this new Platinum configuration how it fits in with Gold quite nicely
in the left to right configurations.

All instances where an electron shell isn’t full to it’s maximum and another shell appears are fiction.

Iron(Fe) according to the periodic table:

2
8
14
2

The real Iron

2
8
16

The real Cobalt(Co)

2
8
17

How does all this affect the periodic table? Well, we start to get a true picture which has been kept
away from us of which possible elements when combined can form valuable metals such as Gold(Au)
and Silver(Ag).

Most of the other combined elements in our new periodic table are the same except the 3 elements
Nickel, Palladium and platinum become neutral and will not form new metals and will combine to
form the same metal they combine with but more of it. The equation as follows:-

Nickel(Ni) Gold(Au) Gold

2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 = 8 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
32 = 32
18 = 18
1 = 1

or Silver(Ag) Palladium(Pd) silver

2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 = 8 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
1 = 1

or Zirconium(Zr) Nickel(Ni) Fluorine(F) silver(Ag)

2 + 2 + 2 = 2 cancellation
8 + 8 + 7 = 8 cancellation
18 + 18 = 18 cancellation
12 +7NM = 18 max
= 1

OR

Cobalt(Co) Zinc(Zn) Silver(Ag)

2 + 2 = 2 can
8 + 8 = 8 can
17 + 18 = 18 max
2 = 18 max
+1 NM = 1

Now here is something about our new periodic table. Tungsten in the old table married with
Phosphorus would look like this:-

Tungsten(W) Phosphorus(P) no such element

2 + 2 = 2
8 + 8 = 8
18 + 5 = 18
32 + = 32
12 + 5 NM = 17
2 + = 2

Under the new periodic table it would look like this:-

Tungsten(W) Phosphorus(P) Gold(Au)

2 + 2 = 2
8 + 8 = 8
18 + 5 = 18
32 + = 32
14 + 5NM = 18 maximum
1NM = 1

Because there were 2 electrons in the sixth shell of Tungsten it made it impossible for Tungsten to
become Gold. This is the big lie. That was the importance of misleading us all. It is important to
notice that we can end up with more than 1 electron in the sixth shell of elements. For example,
Mercury has 2 and Lead has 4. Nature has gone past the point of normal electron field building if you
wish for Lead to become Gold. Thallium, Lead and Bismuth have gone past the point of no return as
far as the electron field is concerned, Mercury too.

James bond will return in 2 years time in ‘you only live twice’

Ghislain

nav2010
04-23-2012, 05:45 PM
alfdib:- please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion
Especially concerning elements with one electron short of a stable configuration and elements with one electron more than a stable configuration. Look at Nickel's configuration in my new periodic table. The shell is 2,8,18. The old configuration is 2, 8, 16, 2. What do you think happens to Nickel when it is put under the spotlight in Electrolysis in the real world?, the same with Palladium and Platinum? Once a stable electron shell is acheived it is more than difficult for electron release and the ionization potential. Nickel will still release ions under Electrolysis.
quote

Metals are characterized by having a small number of electrons in excess of a stable, closed-shell electronic configuration. As such, they have the tendency to lose these extra electrons in order to attain a stable configuration
What do you think happens to Nickel under Electrolysis when there is no 'lose' electron to trade off?
Or should I say - What happens to the remaining Nickel on the electrode after it's cousins have started stealing ions from it to trade off?
It comes like a thief in the night I once heard someone say.

Seth-Ra
04-23-2012, 08:34 PM
Electrons do not make an element - protons do. Electrons change its charge, not what it is - so playing with electron configuration has little to do with playing with element formation itself and any sort of transmutation of them.

Gonna have to agree with alfdib here:

have you studied chemical physic at the university?
Seems to me not...
what you writing here is not true....




~Seth-Ra

supafresh
07-08-2012, 01:07 PM
Well, if electrons stop spinning around a nucleus, if planets stop revolving

Electrons... what are those? :)

"Nikola Tesla was so impressed with the theories and experiments of Walter Russell that he advised Russell to lock his knowledge in the Smithsonian for 1,000 years until mankind was ready."

http://tesla3.com/free_websites/zpe_russell.html

Amazing, but you can find literally HUNDREDS of alternative "periodic tables" and theories of the "atom" - who is right? how can we know that which we cannot see... it's more "belief"

Sorry for not being totally on topic here... but... it's all related :-) (IMO)

solomon levi
07-08-2012, 02:28 PM
Whether electrons exist wasn't the point, Supafresh.
The point was motion/vibration.
Whatever I can learn about other periodic tables or models of the atom
will not influence the argument in any way.
None of these models are going to be of atoms that don't move/vibrate.
If they are, I'm not interested in reading about them.

alfdib
08-27-2012, 10:57 PM
Electrons do not make an element - protons do. Electrons change its charge, not what it is - so playing with electron configuration has little to do with playing with element formation itself and any sort of transmutation of them.

Gonna have to agree with alfdib here:

"have you studied chemical physic at the university?
Seems to me not...
what you writing here is not true...."

~Seth-Ra

LOL...
I didn't go so far in his post... and I didn't noticed that he was writing that atoms change type because of electrons shifting in the outer shell ("Because there were 2 electrons in the sixth shell of Tungsten it made it impossible for Tungsten to to become Gold. This is the big lie. etc...")...
please try at least to study a little the real chemistry before to write to all the world your "conclusions"...
just kidding...
LOL