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solomon levi
04-03-2012, 11:56 PM
I don't like this statement. I don't disagree necessarily.
It's just the wording, the direction of the energy...
it emphasizes the thingness instead of the thought.
We have "thoughts", then they "become"... some energy and
motion is happening... then "things"... an anvil falls - the finality
and conclusion and destination of thought is thingness.
This I disagree with. It emphasizes only one direction.
I would change the phrasing to somethng like "things are thoughts
manifest" or "things are densified/materialised thoughts".
That phrase doesn't emphasize and suggest a direction so much.

I use thought when I am moving up Jacob's ladder just as much as
I use it going down. Thought "becomes" whatever level your attention
is on. Subjectively, whatever level you are on will have its "thingness",
its matter which vibrates at the same speed as the body you possess
(whether physical, astral, etheric, mental, emotional, causal...).

Anyway, we have to watch out for new age teachings that are not the
entire truth. For me, "thoughts become things" subconsciously makes
people place their attention on the material world as if thought exists
to become material - matter is the goal. I understand the desire to
'create reality' with our thoughts. I focussed on that for some 20 years
of my life. Nonduality opened my eyes to the possibility of no longer
trying to create reality, but being in the world as it is - the 'creator' is an
object of the true Source, along with all other objects. In creating reality,
we imagine ourselves to be the subject/source and reality to be the object.
This is an option, but it isn't harmonious/equilibrium. It is desire, effort,
fragmentation... Not bad or wrong in itself - but if you think it will bring
enlightenment or peace, that's a mistake. 'Creating reality' supposes a
seperate ego self and will and that is the source of all toil (as the will of
Eve in the garden of Eden to go against "God's command").

I am not suggesting that anyone try to avoid that, or avoid anything, or choose
differently. That is simply more toil. I am only speaking of another way of being
aware. I am stretching the frame of perception to include more possibilities.
When we become aware of larger pictures, the attention releases its grip all
by itself. Effort, on the other hand, is tightening the grip of attention, narrowing it.

Ghislain
02-21-2015, 02:09 AM
I was going to start a thread "what's in a name" as the point I was going to write about is that everything we perceive we give a name to, and my argument was going to be that nothing exists without having a name.

I then recalled something that related to this; in dev's post "Never Ending Story" ( http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4267-The-Neverending-Story) the Empress pleas directly to Bastian to give her a new name as this is the only thing that can stop the Nothing.

This line of thinking brought me to the realisation that everything that exists first starts off with a thought, so I was going to rename the thread, "What's in a Thought", but then came across this thread by Solomon Levi and "thought" it belonged here.

Take some time to think about this...a car does not exist until someone thinks about it and goes on to construct it...the same goes for buildings and roads, art and science...etc...etc.

but wait I hear you say...what about nature, what about the rocks and earth, plants and oceans....

I had this same "thought" and the only answer I can give is, we are not the only ones thinking.

A Wikipedia article on cell antennae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_(biology)#Cellular_antennae) states:


Within the biological and medical disciplines, recent discoveries have noted that primary cilia in many types of cells within eukaryotes serve as cellular antennae. These cilia play important roles in chemosensation, mechanosensation, and thermosensation. The current scientific understanding of primary cilia organelles views them as "sensory cellular antennae that coordinate a large number of cellular signaling pathways, sometimes coupling the signaling to ciliary motility or alternatively to cell division and differentiation."

Below is a video conversation between Biologist Bruce Lipton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lipton) and Physicist Tom Campbell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindhush) who take this even further, a better understanding is to be had by first watching this.

What Bruce has to say about cell antennae. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUu9BTi3X8#t=908)

I started the video at the relevant point for this thread but it is well worth watching the whole video Part 1 & 2.

Bruce Lipton & Tom Cambell: What if it Really Works - Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjDQzCq6FdM)

Bruce Lipton & Tom Cambell: What if it Really Works - Part 2 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-nPkjQJZg)

On a side note, in alchemy we talk about Prima Materia, Materia is Latin for "material" or "Matter".

Wiki says of matter:


Before the 20th century, the term matter included ordinary matter composed of atoms and excluded other energy phenomena such as light or sound. This concept of matter may be generalized from atoms to include any objects having mass even when at rest, but this is ill-defined because an object's mass can arise from its (possibly massless) constituents' motion and interaction energies. Thus, matter does not have a universal definition, nor is it a fundamental concept in physics today.

Source: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter)

Thoughts are electronic signals within the brain

Electron mass at rest (me) = 9.1110−31 kg

Therefore a though has mass and can be defined as matter.

I propose that the Prima Materia we are all looking for is thought.

Thoughts flow and thus a metaphor for thought may be "water" a water that does not wet the hands.

Ghislain

Awani
02-21-2015, 02:24 AM
Some introductory quotes by the great Sufi poet Rumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi):

"You knock at the door of Reality. You shake your thought wings, loosen your shoulders, and open."

"Everything you possess of skill, and wealth and handicraft, wasn't it first merely a thought and a quest?"

"I always thought that I was me — but no, I was you..."


...we are not the only ones thinking.

Well, perhaps a bit of a mind fuck but 'we' is who? We are 'it'... there is no you, there is no we... there is...

The Prima Materia is is the PRIME material... the only material... so yes I agree... it is all thought... probably from the same 'mind'. The possibilities are endless and I cannot say for sure, and I am not sure it really matters what the 'truth' of this conundrum is... but it began with thought and it will end with thought.

It will take aeons, it will take seconds, it will happen everywhere, and nowhere... out of nothing something, out of something nothing.

YOU are stuck in the middle holding on to your seat in the roller coaster... but there is no roller coaster.

Enjoy. ;)

:cool:

Awani
02-21-2015, 02:27 AM
Creation myth by the indigenous Kogi people:


In the beginning there was nothing. All was darkness. There was nothing at all. Only the mother. She was Aluna. She was pure thought. Without form. She began to think. The mother conceived the world in the darkness. She conceived us as ideas. As we think out a house before we begin to make it real. She spun the thread. Spinning us all in the story. Creating us in thought. And then came the light. And the world was real.

Thread: Aluna (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4189-Aluna)

:cool:

Ghislain
02-21-2015, 02:58 AM
Dev I guess that could be true, but as your post was only three minutes after mine I can only assume you didn't watch the video by the Biologist Bruce Lipton which is really significant to my post. He gives a scientific explanation of what he believes is happening...I would love to hear your views on that.

Thanks

Ghislain

Edit: sorry I was looking at the time of your first post...didn't realise you had posted twice. Love that second post...really fits with my train of Thought. Bruce talks for 15 minutes.

Ghislain
02-21-2015, 08:10 AM
This is what I imagine the Earth would look like if we could see the pure thought energy streams that creates our virtual world...

http://thealchemyforum.com/Images/pure energy 2

I would imagine this to be fractal so the physical we are created the same way as are the quantum particles, planets, galaxies, the Universe/s and whatever lies beyond to infinity; all happening in no space or time.

I think ;)

Ghislain

Andro
02-21-2015, 08:39 AM
This is what I imagine the Earth would look like if we could see the pure thought energy streams that creates our virtual world...

For the level we're at ('physical' earth plane), the thought lines/patterns look much more chaotic (and generally less 'esthetically pleasing' :)) than depicted in the above image.

To 'see' this, one would have to 'phase' to a level that Monroe referred to as 'Focus 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_level)'.

Genuine psychics often 'tap' into this focus level and sense the thought-forms 'composing' the beings/objects they come in contact with.

Synesthesia (http://www.spring.org.uk/2014/05/6-intriguing-types-of-synesthesia-tasting-words-seeing-sounds-hearing-colours-and-more.php) often occurs when tapping into this focus level.

Ghislain
02-21-2015, 10:17 AM
I'm no artist Androgynus...I pinched a pic and adapted it...line of best fit so to speak :)

I did choose one that most resembled what I saw on my Ayahuasca journey though.

Went to the link on Synesthesia...I have heard of it before, but still find it so difficult to comprehend.

I liked the bit that said...


The psychologist should inquire into the minds of others as he should into those of animals of different races, and be prepared to find instances of much to which his own experience can afford little, if any, clue.”

Another difficulty of mine as I tend to look at others problems the same way I look at my own and I guess that is just not the case.

Ghislain

Awani
02-21-2015, 10:16 PM
I can only assume you didn't watch the video by the Biologist Bruce Lipton which is really significant to my post.

I already know of Bruce and Tom and their ideas. As for my views on the cell antennae I agree... but as you know you only need ONE radio station to broadcast many different shows to many different radios. That is why I wrote:


probably from the same 'mind'

:cool:

Ghislain
02-22-2015, 03:42 PM
I guess we differ there Dev as I believe it is a collective mind acting as one.

But hey...im not starting any religion ;) that's what I perceived on the Ayahuasca journey.

Ghislain

Awani
02-22-2015, 04:00 PM
I guess we differ there Dev as I believe it is a collective mind acting as one.

Your Aya journey was wrong. LOL!

But seriously... are you talking about people on Earth or God or what? My point is that this collective mind that you see/saw is generated by the 'one mind' (the person at the computer typing in the codes).

Imagine the 'one mind' as electricity and the individual mind as a computer, and the collective mind (that you speak of) as this:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/11994-0353372750-Dream_zpsatjz3qvp.jpg

I guess this is going off topic as the topic is thoughts create things... which IMO they do. But what is thought, who is thinking... everything always comes back to the God question. I can't help to focus on the electricity...

:cool:

Ghislain
02-22-2015, 04:06 PM
What I perceived was infinite minds creating individual thoughts that once created all the minds shared and thus acted as one mind.

Each individual thought was then processed and the creator of the thought had instant infinite feedback.

If this is correct then there was infinite agreement that the world should be created, as here we are.

The people on the computers don't have the capacity to ponder each others individual input...but where I was it seemed only natural and instant.

I guess you could compare those in your pic above to slowmail, while the creator minds are using email :)

Ghislain

Awani
02-22-2015, 04:07 PM
So monotheism is out the window? What will your Catholic mother say? :-o

:cool:

Ghislain
02-22-2015, 04:33 PM
Literally she would say..."oh Mark, don't be silly" :) I can hear her now!

Ghislain