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Awani
04-13-2012, 08:48 PM
Ghislain and I are talking about going to Gabon in Africa to be initiated into Iboga with the Bwiti people.

Iboga: http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/samorini.html
Gabon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabon

We don't know when, how or how much... we are still looking into it... but I guess it is either in the winter 2012 or in 2013 sometime so a bit in the future.

We are going, who wants to tag along? Anyone has any suggestions?

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theFool
04-14-2012, 06:56 PM
Good luck brave psychonauts! Iboga seems to be a very powerfull experience. I've been watching a documentary with Bruce Parry here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3RNsxp9t2o

MarkostheGnostic
04-14-2012, 07:06 PM
Deborah Mash, PhD began her Ibogaine studies here at the University of Miami. Because of our draconian drug laws, when she decided to treat people with Ibogaine, she needed to relocate to the British Virgin Islands http://www.maps.org/research/ Scroll down to Research, and expand.
http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/israel/Qmash8.html

Of course, Dr. Mash and others in Mexico, are using Ibogaine in a clinical idiom, not an initiatory one, although, as Dr. Stan Grof would no doubt agree, a clinical idiom does not preclude the possibility of an initiatory experience. However, set and setting do make the trip, and while I have travelled to such an uncomfortable place as Lagos, Nigeria, your trip to the Bwiti would entail quite a physical expenditure before the psychological trip. I have my reservations, but then again, I'm an old man and not too enthusiastic about hazardous external excursions any more.

Awani
04-15-2012, 12:55 AM
Well Markos the trip should always be in two parts (the actual trip and then the trip).;)


Good luck brave psychonauts!

I don't mean to blow my own horn, but you are so right. One has to be very brave. It is not easy to face yourself or the unknown. I had to gather all my strength, and all my dedication in order to be able to partake in the ceremonies in Amazonia. I almost didn't drink on more than one occasion... I really had to force myself to commit to it. I don't expect Iboga to be easier, in fact it is probably much harder considering the fact that Gabon seems to be a much wilder country than Peru. After all it is Africa!

But adventure is what makes life worth living. Direct experience what is most important. Nothing can compare. TV, newspapers or books can never tell the true story. I have to see things for myself. Money spent on travel is never money wasted. A trip stays with you forever, but material goods break, can get lost and most certainly won't accompany you to the afterlife.

So get out your passports people!

Btw sleeveless (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/member.php?15-sleeveless) is going as well!

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Awani
04-15-2012, 05:28 PM
I wrote to Daniel Pinchbeck who has written books about Iboga.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Open_the_Head

He replied and suggested I should go to Lambourene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambaréné) and start asking around, walking around the town he said I can actually find shamans. But I need to speak French which I don't do.

So if anyone speaks French and want to tag along raise your hand.

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Awani
04-20-2012, 07:22 PM
If we don't find a French speaker we are thinking about hiring one... I mean we all chip in to pay for the persons trip and then he/she translates for us.

Having e-mailed various people and searched the Internet I have come to understand that going to Gabon to do Iboga with the Bwiti is not like going to Peru for ayahuasca... it is more unknown territory... fewer retreats set up, fewer tourists, in short less of everything and I kind of like this. It makes it feel like when Terence and Dennis McKenna ventured into the Amazon many decades ago... stumbling forward in the dark.

Who can resist unknown territory... I am changing the title of this thread from TRIP to EXPEDITION because that is what it is becoming.

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Awani
04-20-2012, 07:51 PM
Gabon

It seems to be one of the most stable African countries as far as crime. If you have a leader by the name of President Bongo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bongo_Ondimba) how can you go wrong?

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/lbv26.jpg
Libreville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libreville) (the Capital)


Stay safe
Malaria is common, so visitors should take malaria pills and a mosquito net when travelling in Gabon. HIV/AIDS is, unfortunately, a common disease in Gabon with 8% (1 in 12) of adults infected.

Respect
The people are generally very friendly, respectful and helpful to visitors. - source (http://wikitravel.org/en/Gabon)

Here's a short review:


...you’ll be stunned by what is shaping up to be Africa’s next best ecotourism destination. Thanks to President El Hadj Omar Bongo’s designation of a whopping 10% of the country’s land as national parks – closing it down to loggers and miners and opening it up to travellers, conservationists and ecotourists – it’s now possible to explore endless white-sand beaches, primate-filled tropical rainforests, rolling savannahs and estuaries. Probably the most beautiful of the country's parks, Loango National Park is located on the Southern Gabon coast, and is renown for - wait for it - surfing hippos. The wilds of Eastern Gabon are where you'll find the Ivindo National Park, with its own eco-camp and resident elephants and gorillas.
Nature and wildlife fanatics will not be disappointed: long days of trekking will be rewarded with seeing wild creatures in their own pristine environment. The experience will transport you back to a time when Mother Earth – not humans – ruled the land. - source (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/gabon)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/palmier.jpg


Climate & when to go
Hot, tropical Gabon has a rainy season from September to May, broken up by a short dry period from December to January, and a longer dry season from May to September. The temperature is 25°C on average, with about 80% humidity so it feels much hotter.

Whale season is from July to September and turtles come ashore to lay eggs from November to January. Mammals wander from forest to savannah depending on the temperatures – check with the national parks for seasonal wildlife migration. - source (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/gabon/weather)


Money
Gabon is expensive and finding cash is hard. ATMs in Libreville will only work with Visa cards, and credit cards are only accepted at top-end hotels. Bringing all the cash you need into the country in euros is the best option. Euros trade higher than dollars. - source (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/gabon/practical-information/money-costs)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/3221255918_01da184406_z.jpg

As for as costs of traveling to Gabon I had a quick look and from Paris (just to pick one departure point) it costs about 800 Euro return, or 1000 dollars. So it would take a little saving, but I don't imagine the expedition to happen sometime at the end of this year or in the beginning of the next (if we ever get to see 2013 that is... btw if the world is to comes to a violent end then what better and safer place to be than in the depths of the jungle).

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Awani
04-22-2012, 09:38 PM
I think we had a small breakthrough.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-564658062434233044

I came in contact with the guy who was the guide for the above documentary team. Waiting for reply. If this proves positive we have a really good guide I think, someone who is a local, knows the tribes and can navigate in the jungle. Let's just hope his fee isn't too big.

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Awani
04-24-2012, 11:22 PM
Got this in an e-mail today:


I would be very happy to talk with you about Gabon and about Bwiti initiations there. Ive undertaken three initiations there, one in the south and two now with my Bwiti family.

Finally found a source and its seems promising. Looks like it is fully on!

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liza4fregoso
05-01-2012, 09:42 AM
Ibogaine helped me resolve a heroin habit.

sleeveless
05-01-2012, 10:15 AM
Do tell a little more?? Where when how...it is so interesting...

Awani
05-04-2012, 09:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RR9P7ksKktM

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liza4fregoso
05-05-2012, 09:33 AM
This is a great Ibogaine treatment (http://www.ibogaine-treatment.com/). I have been treated in this clinic.

Salazius
05-05-2012, 04:17 PM
This is very instructive thanks ! But I imagine nothing worth the experience.
Here in France, Aya and Iboga are not allowed.

Awani
05-05-2012, 10:24 PM
You are very close to Holland and both are pretty legal there, although I do think going to Africa or Latin America is ideal... but if budget and time is non-negotiable then a train ride to Holland is the best option if you want to experience this stuff.

Again, you can crash at my place if you want. Gemini as I am I have two homes, LOL!

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Awani
05-10-2012, 01:58 AM
http://www.worldtravelguide.net/gabon/passport-visa

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Awani
06-26-2012, 10:03 PM
I can not be a vegetarian in Gabon so fish is back on the menu!

Just have to start preparing my stomach so it doesn't get a chock. We are going end of november. Ghislain, sleeveless and myself.

We'll be gone 4-5 weeks.

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Awani
06-30-2012, 09:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9zI20ic28&list=UUyi2eRXsQY8csqPds4qq4cA&index=0&feature=plcp

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Ghislain
06-30-2012, 10:06 AM
Here, in two parts, is the Iboga Initiation of Bruce Parry while making a documetary for the BBC



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3RNsxp9t2o



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxKrmlAX90


Ghislain

Awani
06-30-2012, 08:10 PM
Man, watching those videos and the one I posted before it seems it is a much more hardcore initiation than ayahuasca. Maybe we should go parachuting instead?

LOL!

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Andro
06-30-2012, 08:17 PM
Man, watching those videos and the one I posted before it seems it is a much more hardcore initiation than ayahuasca. Maybe we should go parachuting instead?

A Parachute can be a powerful Initiator, possibly stronger than both Aya and Iboga combined. Especially if it doesn't open ! ! !

Not that I wish this for any of you... Just pointing out the obvious :)

Awani
06-30-2012, 08:18 PM
Only if it doesn't open, otherwise I doubt it.

:)

Andro
06-30-2012, 08:34 PM
Only if it doesn't open, otherwise I doubt it.

My bad. Yes, a Non-Opening Parachute would do it...

sleeveless
06-30-2012, 09:30 PM
An opening parachute it is wonderful!!! I have jumped, and I recommend it!

Ghislain
07-01-2012, 01:04 PM
It does look a little disconcerting Dev

You're not getting cold feet now are you? ;)

I'm making my jump, "finally", 30 August. Not sure which is more
daunting for the beginner, the jump or the organising of it lol

I guess it is the same with our trip. It will all be worth it in the end.


An opening parachute it is wonderful!!! I have jumped, and I recommend it!

Thanks Sleeveless, that makes things a bit easier :)


Ghislain

Awani
07-01-2012, 01:29 PM
You're not getting cold feet now are you? ;)

No, I do what I say I will do.

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Awani
09-01-2012, 03:25 PM
http://www.salon.com/1999/11/03/iboga/


“Bwiti is like Buddhism,” he replied. “Anyone can join. The word ‘Bwiti’ simply means the experience of iboga, which is the essence of love.”

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Awani
09-08-2012, 03:14 AM
“Iboga is the godfather of all plants on the earth. There are many powerful plants out there that people use for visions and for healings. Every plant on the planet has healing properties. You just have to know them. Iboga is the chief plant, like the chief spirit. You have the spirits of the earth, the spirits of the sun, the spirits of the fire, the spirits of the water, and the spirits of the wind. Every element has a chief spirit. Iboga is the chief plant spirit. Plants like Peyote, Ayahuasca or mushrooms are also very good medicine plants, depending on how they are being used. Still, those plants have limits, especially when you are talking about visions. Medicinally, all plants have different levels. Doing journeys with these other plants for ten years would not be equal to one Iboga journey. I have worked with people who have done Ayahuasca or peyote many times, but they are still in the same spot. Once you come to Iboga, it is one shot. Why do you think that people who have been working with Ayahuasca for fifteen years still have a need to do Iboga? I have no need to do any other medicine plant. Whatever I need or whatever I want to find out, I got it. Iboga can take you to the beginning of time. There is no other plant on this planet, and I will bet my life on it, that will take you to that place. That is why Iboga is the master, the godfather of all plants. The Iboga understands all the plants on earth. I have not researched these plants on the physical level. I have done research on them on the spiritual level with the Iboga. Everything I am telling you, the Iboga has shown me.”

Spoken by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moughenda_Mikala

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Ezalor
09-08-2012, 03:37 AM
Going to Africa? Sure, it's on my list*! Monotheistic religions and drugs? No thanks!
But you could bring me a nice djembe or similar. :P


* Wanted to enlist as a UN volunteer, but one needs to have a diploma to do that. ANY diploma. A philology diploma? Sure, it makes you a proper candidate! The fact that I traveled through the Himalaya without any previous planning and did volunteer work above 4000 meters in a harsh environment among people who barely spoke a few English words while I learned their language on the fly? Nah, nobody gives a damn about that. Apparently a piece of paper is more important for UN volunteer fieldwork in 3rd World countries than actual experience in such field work. Viva la bureaucracy!


For the parachute: Just fasten it on me, and show me what thing I have to pull to open it, and I jump happily. The rest I will figure out on the way down. ;)

Awani
09-08-2012, 04:37 PM
I wouldn't worry about the religion, just something they say so the White Man will leave them alone, it is the same in Latin America.

Drug? Yes, if you think sugar is a drug then yes Iboga is a drug.

Otherwise I would not put either Ayahuasaca or Iboga with the group called drugs... if they were drugs why aren't drug addicts using these on a regular basis? It would be good if they did as Iboga especially treats drug addiction. Ironic

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This thread was split into a new topic here: Is psychedelics a valid path? (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3125-Is-psychedelics-a-valid-path)

Awani
10-26-2012, 02:29 AM
http://www.ebando.org/images/genie.jpg

This Iboga image gives me the chills as it shows what I have experienced on Ayahuasca but with an African tribal twist. Hard to explain what I mean...

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Awani
10-29-2012, 11:27 PM
Good article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17666589

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Awani
11-07-2012, 07:20 AM
Got hold of a new book recently called:

Bwiti: an ethnography of the religious imagination in Africa by James W. Fernandez (Professor of Anthropology at Princeton University)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/imagesqtbnANd9GcRtaBZUU8E5qjxIwhvy8dubMCKgyLMNFDoi-PUDH99TrvCtgPqfwJxkK6zk.jpg

This is supposedly the only study published in English about the Bwiti. It's both heavy and lengthy, clocking in on well over 600 pages (even including a glossary of Bwiti words that I am sure will be handy to have).

Scanning the index I discovered there was no reference to Iboga. This upset me a bit as I don't think a proper study of Bwiti can be done without mentioning Iboga... but then I noticed that the author writes it as Eboga! And luckily there are plenty on the subject.

Already in the introduction there was a section I wanted to quote:


Now the terrestrial frontiers have practically all been surveyed and traversed we continue to beguile ourselves with cosmic frontiers. There may well be other living realities with which to communicate. Yet finally the universe curves back upon itself and the world we live in is the world we have constructed or reconstructed by our methods - methods fundamentally similar to the microcosmogony going on in the Equatorial Forest [Gabon], which in the end comes down to an argument of images. This may be the only way that a cosmos can be made to emerge. As Hannah Arendt has argued, man in his search for objective reality always ends up 'confronting himself alone.'

From what I have gathered about Iboga/Eboga is that this is what it is all about, more so than ayahuasca (which is more of a contact with Other beings)... the meeting with the self. Perhaps also why they include mirrors in their initiations.

All the preparations are now done. All I am waiting for now is for our tents to arrive in the mail and then in about 14 days we go.

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Awani
11-11-2012, 11:29 PM
Some more links:

Iboga – The Visionary Root of Africa (http://fractalenlightenment.com/13533/enlightening-video/iboga-the-visionary-root-of-africa)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul0xHfWr5_Y&list=PL2755D65AC99FE53F&feature=player_embedded#!

More on fatalities here (http://www.myeboga.com/fatalities.html)


A bad-trip on iboga is absolutely far, far, far worse than the worst bad-trip on LSD, shrooms, ayahuasca or DMT. Iboga goes deeper than anything else and it is very intense. - source (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25401)

Ghislain: are you scared? :) Only a fool would not be, IMO.

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Orbital
11-13-2012, 01:27 AM
Please keep us posted Dev. Are you guys still planning on making the trip??
I hope to experience Iboga in this lifetime, but first I hope to try Ayahuasca within the next
two years. :)

I hate it when people refer to entheogens as "drugs". Such a derogatory word that is rightly applied to all those
nasty concoctions that come from the pharmaceutical giants. In ancient times I don't think people would be accused
of using drugs when they used these plants, they'd probably be referred to as making proper use of their surroundings.
I have heard the theory that our brains are basically antennas/ tuners to reality, so it stands to reason that by taking these
plants our tuner changes frequency and we're able to experience different levels of consciousness. Nature always finds a
way to take care of it's own, and these plants are truly a blessing. :)

Awani
11-13-2012, 01:31 AM
Yeah we go next thursday:)

PM if you want a good and trustworthy contact in regards to Ayahuasca... that is if you are going to the Amazon to do it.

I also recommend, if you have not done either, to do Ayahuasca first. From what I have gathered Iboga tends to be a bit too much (a harder ride)... and I am quite nervous about it. When I get back I can more clearly provide a 'difference' report. And I am sure Ghislain and Sleeveless will do the same.

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Awani
11-13-2012, 01:36 AM
I have heard the theory that our brains are basically antennas/ tuners to reality, so it stands to reason that by taking these
plants our tuner changes frequency and we're able to experience different levels of consciousness.

This is my theory also. On the ayahuasca I could feel my body clearly vibrate and the more it vibrated the more did I 'cross over'.

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Orbital
11-13-2012, 03:06 AM
Thank you kindly Dev. :)
I do plan on travelling to the Amazon, and I will contact you when the time comes for me
to be serious about the trip. Haha... and I just may be contacting you for a safe journey to
Africa as well. Thank you.