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Awani
01-06-2009, 01:27 AM
This is a Phoenix-thread (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=7) from the old site (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/forum.htm). Polls are reset to 0!

I propose that a group of people go to Brazil with the purpose of partaking in some ayahuasca deep in the Amazon jungle. It should be a very magical experience indeed. And remember even if you go it doesn't mean that you will have to take ayahuasca, the jungle itself is, I am sure, quite magical on its own.

If there is a genuine interest in this then this thread can be used to discuss, prepare and organize this trip.

There are several Q that needs answers: When? Where? Who? (for instance)

The link below seems a bit too tourist for my liking:
Ayahuasca Retreat (http://yatra.yage.net/ayahuascabr.htm)

http://naturendanger.canalblog.com/images/Ayahuasca1.jpg

Note: I have re-posted this from here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=1897)
A friend of a friend did it in Peru. She totally rated her experience when I met her. I could try getting in contact with her and finding out the details.
Its the only drug I would be interested in taking these days. To take it in the company of fellow esoterics from all corners of the earth would be something to experience indeed.

Yes, it would be quite an experience, but to value being with 'fellow esoterics from all corners of the earth' above being with the indigenous peoples that have a real tradition and experience with it may be somewhat a mistake. I am all for meeting up and going as a group, but only if it doesn't detract from experiencing and learning about it in its traditional context, even if that context has been polluted with Catholic ideas in some ways. Reason being, is set, setting and dose. Not only will they be more clued up on the correct dose, they will also have more experience in creating the right set (mind state) and setting to give the trip its best effect.
Forgive me,Anton,but I simply assumed that taking it in the traditional way with indigenous people was implicit in Deviadah's suggestion.
And being a child of Mercury one of the greatest pleasures for me is in communicating and experiencing life with people of similar interests.
My interests,like yours,being quite particular.


Sorry, of course. Forgive me for being over zealous. I've just seen it too many times where those in western occult traditions are so busy imposing their own tradition on all they experience that they fail to fully open up and connect with something very real under their nose. I wasn't attacking you, or didn't mean to be at any rate, just trying to voice a very real concern.

Of course it will be nice to do it with others of like mind.
Yes, I think you both misunderstood each other. I am of the same faith. Meet up together as a western group but do the TRIP in the original native way... I am not going down there to party... but to be a part of a sacred experience!

Anything else would be murder on my personal moral!


I would expect nothing less from you,Deviadah.

My interest in ayahuasca was first piqued by David Icke,of all people,when he described his ayahuasca experience in his book,'Infinite love is the only truth,everything else is illusion'.
The experience had a profound effect on him and has taken him to a new and greater understanding.I was very impressed with what he wrote about the experience and also the direction it is now taking him in.

I dont know if there are travel groups that organise this sort of thing,there must be I guess.
And yes,Anton,that concern of yours is a very real one.

I think respect for the indigenous culture is an important aspect of the experience.
As are the people you have with you.

I think partytime should be saved for Burning Man.Or Mardi Gras.
So shall we do this thing,then?
It is most do-able. I know of people, too, but am not in a position to arrange anything... I plan on going sometime in the next few years if I can afford the time off of work...

-Anibis

So shall we do this thing,then?
Naturally, but it requires planning.

1. Where to go?
2. What tribe?
3. When?

And those are just the first threshold to get over...

Yes,its all the detail and research in the planning that seems a little overwhelming but I like putting things like this into existence.Putting the ability to manifest into action.


Want to be organisational manager of a trip?

If yes, get to fuckin' work!


Hell no,thanks for the offer....but no way do I want to be the organiser.....laugh.....
Well you can't blame me for trying!


I guess we'll do it together - all of us - step by step!

First thing to sort out, though, is where should we go?

The jungles of the Amazon are vast!


I think it will work better with everyone who wants to go contributing to the organisation

I spoke to my brother...he goes to south america for 6 weeks every year.....loves it....well,its going to cost me $2,500 to get there and 16 hours of travel.

I agree with you about the ayahuasca group in Brazil...too touristy for my tastes...will check out others.

Didnt Anton have a friend who went?
I am down for this trip, of course we all will need to save up for it, and we would all have to find out where and when to go.

First thing to sort out, though, is where should we go?
Everywhere! We shall make a voyage around the earth. All climates and atmospheres, all cultures and races, all continents, and even more!

We shall go to the moon, to mars, and to that which is beyond!

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Sorry, LOL.

Just thought I'd add a little creativity to the thread. I can already feel the future alteredness affecting my brain!

No but really, one day I will try it, multiple times perhaps, and I think I would like to try it in the desert for my first time. Then maybe the rainforest, and finally the peaks of a snow covered mountain. Space would be another choice, maybe the moon or something. Getting there will be another issue, all on its own...
I also know of people who've brewed their own using plants ordered from the internet. Cheaper than flying to Brazil, but has some legal concerns depending on the plants you use.

Brazil, but has some legal concerns depending on the plants you use.While this is true the main reason for going there is to have the atmos of the jungle and real shamans contribute to the experience!

An important aspect I think...


Oh, absolutely. At least, if you can find a real shaman and convince him or her to guide your experience. Chances are, if they're doing it for money, they aren't a real shaman, and, if they aren't, you're going to have some serious difficulties making this happen.

I totally agree that it'd be an amazing experience, just not totally practical. Brewing your own, while not quite as overwhelmingly cool, is still fairly cool, and a whole lot easier to do -- especially for anyone into Spagyric alchemy.

Oh, absolutely. At least, if you can find a real shaman and convince him or her to guide your experience. Chances are, if they're doing it for money, they aren't a real shaman, and, if they aren't, you're going to have some serious difficulties making this happen.Yes, you are probably right.

Perhaps the best thing to do is just to wing it... go down there... get lost in the jungle and hope for the best.

Are there still cannibals down there or is that just a Western myth?

WCH
02-09-2009, 06:37 AM
I was recently invited to take part in an ayahuasca ceremony in Toronto, led by a legit (so I'm told) shaman, but didn't due to cost (I'm quite poor at the moment, and it was... $200, I think?). Still, apparently they do happen here regularly. For some, Toronto might be a lot easier to get to than the rainforest. Two friends of mine attended, and both had great things to say, described it as wholly different than consuming the tea outside the context of the ceremony.

Awani
02-15-2009, 06:26 PM
Yes, there are such options - but for me I think the whole rainforest experience is essential for a complete trip!

;)

D.Frich
10-07-2009, 05:07 PM
So, does SWIY think that a DMT/Ayahuasca trip could be used as inspiration/motivation? Like, if SWIY had a bad habit, and would have a trip focusing on the habit and that its wrong or unhealthy to do that habit, after the trip, does SWIY think the motivation would be so great that the habit would end?

The Grey Man
11-22-2009, 02:23 AM
Yes, there are such options - but for me I think the whole rainforest experience is essential for a complete trip!

;)

I can understand that, but should you decide otherwise, rest assured that Aya's reach comfortably transcends our own geographical boundaries. Once she's in your nervous system, you only need to ask and she will show you the rainforest in the blink of an eye. :)

WCH
11-22-2009, 09:08 AM
So, does SWIY think that a DMT/Ayahuasca trip could be used as inspiration/motivation? Like, if SWIY had a bad habit, and would have a trip focusing on the habit and that its wrong or unhealthy to do that habit, after the trip, does SWIY think the motivation would be so great that the habit would end?Some people have had success in this regard. As always, your mileage may vary.

Awani
11-22-2009, 06:35 PM
I will partake in a week long ceremony in the Amazon this january... report will come upon my return!

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Awani
12-06-2009, 08:25 AM
I got this from the I Ching asking about my soon to happen trip to Peru:


33. Tun - Retreat

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----- above Ch'ien The Creative, Heaven
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-- -- below Kn Keeping Still, Mountain
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The Judgement

Retreat. Success.
In what is small, perseverance furthers.

The Image

Mountain under heaven: the image of Retreat.
Thus the superior man keeps the inferior man at a distance,
Not angrily but with reserve.

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Awani
02-01-2010, 01:01 AM
Back now... when I find a good time I will give an account of this experience... anyone who feels that Ayahuasca is over-rated (met some on the Net that feels this way) have not tried it properly I am sure...

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LeoRetilus
03-14-2010, 07:46 AM
Are you ready to tell us more ....What did you experience? Hallucinations?
If so of what?

Awani
03-31-2010, 03:04 AM
Are you ready to tell us more ....What did you experience? Hallucinations?
If so of what?

Go here (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?t=1298)

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