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solomon levi
06-30-2012, 01:25 AM
Imagine - image - mage - magic - make...

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." - Genesis 1:27

"He who is born in imagination discovers the latent forces of Nature." - Paracelsus

"The imagination of the artist in uncertain arts is the chief art and head of all. But in addition to this, imagination is strengthened and perfected by faith, so that it becomes reality. All doubt destroys the work and renders it imperfect in the spirit of nature." - Paracelsus

"Therefore should you also know that the perfect Imagination coming from the Astral, issues from the Soul, wherein all Astra lie occult, and the Soul, Faith and Imagination, are three things to count, for the names are different, but they have equal force and strength, for one comes from the other, and I cannot compare it otherwise than with the Divine Trinity. For through the Soul we come to God, through Faith to Christ and through the Imagination to the Divine Spirit. Therefore also is to these three, even as to the Divine Trinity, nothing impossible." - Paracelsus

"Imagination is a great power, and if the world knew what strange things can be produced by the power of the imagination, the public authorities would cause idle people to go to work." - Paracelsus


I had something to say on imagination myself. We normally think of imagination as an act which is
different from what we normally do, somehow different from thinking or reasoning. If one is familiar
with J.Krishnamurti, we are constantly substituting images for reality - that is, the past/knowledge/known/
conditioned for the present unconditioned.
Imagination generally implies pondering something that is not real, not actually occurring now.
We often precede the word with "just"... it's just my imagination... that's just imagination... as if to dismiss it.
(how/when did "just" - right, true - become untrue?)

Imagination was differentiated from fantasy, confining fantasy to reproducing images of things, and
imagination being creative.

http://books.google.com/books?id=O8bd36p6LCkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=paracelsus+imagination+phantasia&source=bl&ots=oMZPlImM8H&sig=HSveuuhYqE8smZ4n5p1Lw4hvX90&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N1HuT5KBKsWH6QHUiOXfBA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=paracelsus%20imagination%20phantasia&f=false

It is significant that the brain doesn't differentiate between real and imagined.
http://www.ratracetrap.com/the-rat-race-trap/what-you-need-to-know-about-your-amazing-brain.html

There are more scientific sources if you want to investigate it.

Awani
06-30-2012, 12:28 PM
Some argue imagination is the Stone. Do you concur?

It penetrates all solids... etc

:cool:

Andro
06-30-2012, 12:32 PM
Some argue imagination is the Stone. Do you concur?

I definitely concur philosophically. Not only 'The Stone', but every 'thing'...

'Imagination' is also an EXCELLENT candidate for 'The Lost Word'...

And if 'The Stone' is 'The Word' incarnate... well... there we have it :)

Awani
06-30-2012, 12:38 PM
Word!

:cool:

solomon levi
07-01-2012, 08:03 AM
Some argue imagination is the Stone. Do you concur?

It penetrates all solids... etc

:cool:


Well, I've said things like consciousness is everything; awareness is everything; distance is everything...
I can certainly see imagination being everything, or all-significant.
As long as it doesn't mean the usual specialised form of attention.

I feel it relates to what I said about awareness in another thread. Awareness is the difference between vulgar and philosophical.
So if imagination means intentional imagination, intentional use of awareness, then it works I think.

I'm just studying what this word meant to the magicians and alchemists.

But if we consider my last post under alchemical meditations, imagination is very powerful, without limits.
Of course, for imagination to be the power that some ascribe to it, you have to believe it as much as you believe reality.
Do that and you can imagine drinking the Red Lion elixir.

Bel Matina
07-05-2012, 05:22 PM
It's considered solidly demonstrated within the field of Cognitive Science that the immediate precursor to our qualitative experience - what has been called in the field "phenomenal consciousness" - are representations (or images - the meaning of a symbol of is attributed in the field to "isomorphy," which may be an isomorphy of relation rather than a strictly spatial isomorphy) which arise from a terrifyingly poor set of indirect data. In plain English, our experience arises from the information in our brains, rather than anything directly connected to the circumstances it represents. Put back into another jargon, yes, imagination is the stone.

When I am in a mood to attempt to translate the words of the philosophers into plain English, my first strategy is to try to render it in the vocabulary of Cognitive Science. The cute project of the Enlightenment has simmered to a point that there are many things that can be rendered into terms intelligible to the uninitiated that were formerly the sole purview of the Art. There are those parts of the work that escape even the language of the philosophers, which at least is clear to the point that it must. In the white mass we can perceive these principles in reflection, but even if it were possible to say more, I wouldn't be the one to do it, as the time has not come for me to work with them directly. Suffice it to say they are the root from which the entire tree grows.

Krisztian
07-05-2012, 05:52 PM
It's considered solidly demonstrated within the field of Cognitive Science that the immediate precursor to our qualitative experience - what has been called in the field "phenomenal consciousness" - are representations (or images - the meaning of a symbol of is attributed in the field to "isomorphy," which may be an isomorphy of relation rather than a strictly spatial isomorphy) which arise from a terrifyingly poor set of indirect data. In plain English, our experience arises from the information in our brains, rather than anything directly connected to the circumstances it represents. Put back into another jargon, yes, imagination is the stone.

When I am in a mood to attempt to translate the words of the philosophers into plain English, my first strategy is to try to render it in the vocabulary of Cognitive Science. The cute project of the Enlightenment has simmered to a point that there are many things that can be rendered into terms intelligible to the uninitiated that were formerly the sole purview of the Art. There are those parts of the work that escape even the language of the philosophers, which at least is clear to the point that it must. In the white mass we can perceive these principles in reflection, but even if it were possible to say more, I wouldn't be the one to do it, as the time has not come for me to work with them directly. Suffice it to say they are the root from which the entire tree grows.

Well, you sure bring up something that's dear to me; that's why some of us feel that one needs analogical "image" of the stone; then we keep focusing on it during meditation (of a sort one perfected), so that it finds it's way back to the dreamer [in manifested reality].

Seeker of Truth
07-05-2012, 10:01 PM
Every single sentence by the help of http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=imagination&t=1000&a=n and Imagination, these sentences form using the exact letters of Imagination:

Magi in, at, on, I

I gain in atom
Atom gain in I

I, at Amigo Inn

I, It, among an I

A Magi not In I
In I not a Magi

I am in a Ingot
Into a Magi: N

I am into gain
Gain to I in am

solomon levi
07-06-2012, 06:11 AM
The imagination is often associated with the moon.
I would equate that with the ego - something that shines from reflected light -
has no light of its own. The moon/imagination is also associated/equated with psyche.
The ego is a psychological construct. It is an image. It makes images of everything.
This is why we live in a dream, as if asleep, moon/nighttime when we live through the ego/image.

There is a great teaching in the new moon and the full moon (lunacy, craziness).
The psyche is a necessary "event", yet it must been seen through.
Only a strong (not meaning rigid/obstinate)/healthy psyche can do the work (a proper tonal - Castaneda).
The sun and moon must find reconciliaton (rebus) and dissolution in eachother (mercury).
The psychological and the actual merge and dissolve into the "cosmic"/transcendental/Universal.

solomon levi
07-09-2012, 10:55 AM
I did a little qabala on imagination - DMIVN
DMIVN = 110 or with N final = 760
This shows imagination is capable of two results/realities -
that of the individual (N-50) or that of freedom (N-700).

Interestingly, 110 = OLI - pestle
and 760 = MKThSh - mortar

Lumpino
07-17-2012, 07:04 AM
Imagination is a great power. But, alone is not sufficient. There are some spiritual worlds that already exist. So, If our imagination is inconsistent, cannot be a good result.

Seeker of Truth
07-18-2012, 03:04 AM
"Imagination is a great power. But, alone is not sufficient. There are some spiritual worlds that already exist. So, If our imagination is inconsistent, cannot be a good result."
- Lumpino

I imagine that imagination is a great power, it is never alone and it is always sufficient. Many worlds keeping many spirits exist. If our imagination is something than it is that something. Imagination is always imagination, there are no inconsistencies, even if there were, consistency forever finds itself because even in its inconsitency it is consistent. It both can and can not be good, It is unconditional. Imagination is the unconditional.

Fly with the beautiful wings of your imagination; go anywhere, be anything, accomplish all; Imagine, imagination is yours and it always will be. When you see complete imagination you see complete imagination. When you know complete freedom you know complete freedom.

Allow and you allow.

See and you see.

Be and you be.

Thank you, it feels good to say thank you, so, thank you, all.

"you have to believe it as much as you believe reality."
- Solomon Levi

I do :-)

Andro
08-04-2012, 12:05 PM
Albert on Imagination:

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/LogicImagination.jpg

solomon levi
11-03-2012, 11:35 PM
I'm seeing that imagination is but one flavor of universal mind. For example, we don't
call imagination "thinking". Thinking is another flavor/quality of this One thing. We have all these words
which in some way represent different qualities of the One:
thinking
imagination
attention
concentration
feeling
sensing
intuition
intellect
etc

Just something to enquire into. Imagination is a specific frequency/level of mind/awareness/consciousness.
Why do you imagine it was emphasized by Paracelsus and others? Do you know?

Bel Matina
11-03-2012, 11:54 PM
The verb 'imagine' hasn't changed much from it's original coining in Latin; etymologically, it means, 'to create an image' in an internal sense and this is still pretty much what it means in English. We mold our plastic selves by means of these images, and by means of images of the external we mold ourselves into whatever shape turns the wheel of it to point the time we want. The microcosm is the image of the macrocosm. The universe is a holographic image of itself. Thus imagination is our mercury, the androgynous medium that acts as a catalyst in every operation.

Interestingly it appears that imaginari was a deponent verb, which is to say it only appeared in Latin as a reflexive (middle) verb: to make an image for one's self, or to make one's self into an image.

Food for thought.

Andro
11-04-2012, 12:39 AM
Imagination is a specific frequency/level of mind/awareness/consciousness.

With the whole mind/awareness/consciousness thing being solely a product of imagination, I wonder how imagination can be a specific frequency of the entire imagined spectrum.


Why do you imagine it was emphasized by Paracelsus and others? Do you know?

I imagine the reason for the emphasis would be that imagination is the precursor to the self-dreaming dream we call reality (all across its frequency spectrum :))

And the reason I see Imagination as the primordial 'mover' is because IMO it is the only 'thing' that can cause the required twist to 'reflect' (image) Nothing into Something.

Like in the Image below, the symbol of Zero is twisted to become the symbol for Infinity. And the twist shows the reflection/mirror/imaging effect of the feedback-loop of Awareness.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/EverythingfromNothing.jpg

If we consider a mirror as a 'Nothing' as long as it has no purpose (nothing to reflect), then the mirror will IMAGINE a purpose (a 'Something' to reflect). And the rest is history :)

solomon levi
11-09-2012, 09:34 PM
The verb 'imagine' hasn't changed much from it's original coining in Latin; etymologically, it means, 'to create an image' in an internal sense and this is still pretty much what it means in English. We mold our plastic selves by means of these images, and by means of images of the external we mold ourselves into whatever shape turns the wheel of it to point the time we want. The microcosm is the image of the macrocosm. The universe is a holographic image of itself. Thus imagination is our mercury, the androgynous medium that acts as a catalyst in every operation.

Interestingly it appears that imaginari was a deponent verb, which is to say it only appeared in Latin as a reflexive (middle) verb: to make an image for one's self, or to make one's self into an image.

Food for thought.

Good food!
It's amazing how powerful images can be. Perhaps people don't
realise this until they see the illusion of their own image/ego
and how it can appear so real and run one's life.
God made man in Its imagination and man made God in his imagination.
There is internal and external images working together to form a rebis.
"Thou shalt not make (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/6213.htm) unto thee any graven image (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/6459.htm) or any likeness (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/8544.htm) of any thing that (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/834.htm) is in heaven (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/8064.htm)
above (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/4605.htm) or that is in the earth (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/776.htm) beneath or that is in the water (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/4325.htm) under the earth (http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/776.htm)." - Exodus 20:4


Image also brings to my mind 'fixations'.
Image - hebrew PSL, pesel - is very similar to paschal: image = scapegoat... pass over/Easter...
I feel it is related to this passage:
"He that findeth (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2147.htm) his (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/846.htm) life (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/5590.htm) shall lose (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/622.htm) it (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/846.htm) and (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2532.htm) he that loseth (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/622.htm) his (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/846.htm) life (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/5590.htm) for my (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1700.htm) sake (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1752.htm) shall find (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2147.htm) it (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/846.htm)." - Matt 10:39

So the root of pesel is pasal which means to hew, to cut, to carve... all mind/thought/fractioning s/words.
This is what thought/mind/word/image/ego/knowledge does... division/definition/fixation...
divide and conquer... to be unconquered is to be integrated/integrity/whole/one/unity...

solomon levi
11-09-2012, 09:42 PM
With the whole mind/awareness/consciousness thing being solely a product of imagination, I wonder how imagination can be a specific frequency of the entire imagined spectrum.



I imagine the reason for the emphasis would be that imagination is the precursor to the self-dreaming dream we call reality (all across its frequency spectrum :))

And the reason I see Imagination as the primordial 'mover' is because IMO it is the only 'thing' that can cause the required twist to 'reflect' (image) Nothing into Something.

Like in the Image below, the symbol of Zero is twisted to become the symbol for Infinity. And the twist shows the reflection/mirror/imaging effect of the feedback-loop of Awareness.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/EverythingfromNothing.jpg

If we consider a mirror as a 'Nothing' as long as it has no purpose (nothing to reflect), then the mirror will IMAGINE a purpose (a 'Something' to reflect). And the rest is history :)

:)
If we take PSL/image and rearrange the letters we can get SLP (which reminds me of 'sleep' in english) whose
definition is "to twist or turn, to pervert; to overturn, pervert or subvert."
Which associates with hanged man and the theosophical dictum "Demon est Deus inversus"...