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Ghislain
08-11-2012, 01:23 PM
The Wayseers are an Intenational movement for the improvment of global harmony...

Below is a message from them...Give it two minutes of your time then you tell me if it doesn't make sense?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT_E7zHbyAw

Ghislain

Awani
08-12-2012, 06:45 PM
Is it preaching to the choir or is the choir becoming bigger. That is the real question. On good days I think it is getting bigger, other times it seems it is getting smaller. Guess it depends on which reality you place yourself in.

:cool:

Ghislain
10-03-2012, 11:56 AM
If you are not aware of the Wayseers you may like to take a look at The Wayseers Manifesto (http://youtu.be/OPR3GlpQQJA)

Below is a recent email from the Wayseers...I dont want to influence peoples opinions on the Wayseers, but
take a look and make up your own mind.




If this works, you'll be a hero...

show details

From Garret & the Wayseers garret@wayseers.com

We're going to need your help with this one.

Let me explain... Better yet, go and see for yourself. Prepare for the most breathtaking footage I've ever
seen, revealing just how deeply connected we all are, along with a message that could very well change the
world.

In all of my 15 years trying to find a way to facilitate massive cooperation, innovation and healing on a
global scale, this is it.

This could be AWESOME, but it looks like it's going to need some serious funding, so if you've got the
means, please support this as much as you can.

The only way this works is if you get involved now. I hope you'll join the effort. Here's a link you can share:

http://indiegogo.com/upriser

Rise up,
Garret John LoPorto
Author of "The Wayseers"
Creator of the Wayseer Manifesto
Connect with me on Facebook & on Twitter



Media For Your Mind, Inc., 199 Sudbury Road, Suite 2B, Concord, MA 01742, USA


IMO this will be a good indication of how serious people are in respect of bringing about change...
on the donation site there are options for some large donations...these should not be necessary if we are all
together.

If Garret is right and there are 350 million Wayseers then just a dollar from each would bring about massive
funding.

click on the link and then scroll to the bottom and click on "contribute now"...again scroll to the bottom and
click on "No Perk, just a contribution!" then donate as little as you like. I see it this way...if I donate a dollar
it was worth it just to see the manifesto :)

I would like to hear others opinions about the Wayseers...Mine is that it is something we all need...talk is cheap
lets get together and start some action. But first read the wayseers plan for UPRISER (http://www.indiegogo.com/upriser?a=1570681).

If you like the concept then spread the word.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Garret-John-LoPorto-beginning-is-near-300.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garret_John_LoPorto)

Who is Garret John LoPorto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garret_John_LoPorto)?



Ghislain

Andro
10-03-2012, 12:56 PM
The more rich people are clinging to the current paradigm, the more Idealists are asking for funding.

It seems like many are in need of funding to manifest an idealistic vision (myself included :))

Personally, in my current financial state, I would prefer to fund and manifest my own vision, rather than contributing to someone else's...

(Although if I'll check out the Wayseers material and find it to resonate, I won't mind parting with a buck or two...)

There is a lot of NLP and various other mass-manipulation techniques in the Wayseer materials I've seen so far - which is OK for them, but I personally don't like to be approached this way.

I'll give it another go and see if I form a different opinion...

However, my belief is that global change (if at all) will come from small independent and like-minded communities and/or individuals, rather than from some mass movement, no matter how 'well intentioned' it is.

Ghislain
10-03-2012, 01:40 PM
Androgynus

I am aware of the use of NLP in the manifesto and other material however you have to fight fire with fire, all the big corporations make use of NLP all the time
lets play them at their own game.

You mention small independent and like-minded communities and or individuals...that is what I see in the Wayseers movement, but this time if you have an axe to grind
many hands make light work.



UPRISER aims to unite the eclectic passions of rebels, visionaries, free-spirits and pioneers worldwide by offering them a platform to rapidly share, crowd-filter and amplify
revolutionary ideas; giving the best ideas and most pertinent messages the support and attention they deserve. Top posts unlock tools pioneered by Anonymous to stage and
coordinate massive distributed operations.

Viral amplification of ideas depends heavily on people’s vanity and willingness to be seen sharing something (often resulting in a glut of shallow memes that drown out more
important ideas and messages). UPRISER, on the other hand, employs anonymous democratic voting and amplification so important ideas and messages get the attention they
deserve. You don’t need to have a big following to be heard, you just need the right idea at the right time.

What happens when you bring millions of change-agents and disruptive innovators together? We’re about to find out.



Ghislain

Andro
10-03-2012, 03:06 PM
What happens when you bring millions of change-agents and disruptive innovators together? We’re about to find out.

Well, I think history teaches us that we have already found out more than enough times what happens...

I hope we're not about to find out again.

It still amazes me how people still fall for these 'movements' time after time after time.

Hitler was an agitator an a 'disruptive innovator'. His S.A. were 'change agents'. No doubt, he was a 'Wayseer'. I mean it. He truly saw a WAY, which he called THE way.

There are countless other examples in history. And no matter how much we tell ourselves that 'this one is going to be different', it always ends the same.

We need to grow out of this mentality, or we will keep falling into the hands of those who use our own (genuine) hopes and (apparently hardwired) naivety, to take our energy and increase their power, time and time again, under increasingly clever and harder to detect guises.

A truly NEW paradigm is something we cannot possibly imagine, plan, conceive or mass-unite for.

It's Uranian in nature (ruled by Uranus/Aquarius), and it will hit when/where LEAST planned or expected.

But yeah, it's so cool when someone comes and tells us that 'we're special'... Where do I sign up?
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Just a different angle to look at it :)

Awani
10-03-2012, 03:37 PM
lets play them at their own game.

This is what I am always going on about.

:cool:

Ghislain
10-03-2012, 10:20 PM
Androgynus

When I made post 3 it was approx 10 hours ago...the donation site had $150 on it...now, 10 hours later, it has $10,346.

While I empathise with the points you made I feel it is time for this to happen...what the outcome will be...??? who can tell,
but people have been getting unnecessarily rich on the sufferance of others for too long; it's time to level the playing field.

We can and should all enjoy the Eden we have been so blinded to.

People have been watching James Cameron's Avatar and wishing they could live in a world like that...
The weird thing is that they do, but they just don't see it.

If it works even the rich will be happier.


Ghislain: "lets play them at their own game." Dev: "This is what I am always going on about."

Thanks for the inspiration Dev.

Ghislain

Andro
10-03-2012, 11:19 PM
Is anyone here familiar with the social engineering method known as 'Pressure from Above & Pressure from Below (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=pressure+from+above+and+below&btnK=)'?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XYs91TGXpg4

Excerpt from an article (http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=NoneDare&C=7.0):


What we are witnessing is the Communist tactic of pressure from above and pressure from below, described by Communist historian Jan Kozak as the device used by the Reds to capture control of Czecho-Slovakia.

The pressure from above comes from secret, ostensibly respectable Comrades in the government and Establishment, forming, with the radicalized mobs in the streets below, a giant pincer around middle-class society.

The street rioters are pawns, shills, puppets, and dupes for an oligarchy of elitist conspirators working above to turn America's limited government into an unlimited government with total control over our lives and property.

The American middle class is being squeezed to death by a vise.

In the streets we have avowed revolutionary groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (which was started by the League for Industrial Democracy, a group with strong C.F.R. ties), the Black Panthers, the Hippies, the Young Socialist Alliance. These groups chant that if we don't "change" America, we will lose it. "Change" is a word we hear over and over. By "change" these groups mean Socialism.

Virtually all members of these groups sincerely believe that they are fighting the Establishment. In reality they are an indispensable ally of the Establishment in fastening Socialism on all of us. The naive radicals think that under Socialism the "people" will run everything. Actually, it will be a clique of Insiders in total control, consolidating and controlling all wealth. That is why these schoolboy Lenins and teenage Trotskys are allowed to roam free and are practically never arrested or prosecuted. They are protected. Had the Establishment wanted the revolutionaries stopped, how long do you think they would be tolerated?

Instead, we find that most of these radicals are the recipients of largesse from major foundations or are receiving money from the government through the War on Poverty. The Rothschild-Rockefeller-C.F.R. Insiders at the top "surrender to the demands" for Socialism from the mobs below. The radicals are doing the work of those whom they hate the most.
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For everyone's consideration :)

PS: I have personal first hand experience with this dialectic. I personally know idealist individuals, organizing and acting together for a cause and a better world, who were thwarted and bullied by 'official resistance movements'.

I've done extensive research into such movements that operate in my area of the world, I've met some leading people and I followed the money.
Some of the 'disruptors' even went to the extent of openly admitting what they're doing and where they're getting their paychecks from. Unfortunately, I can't go into details here.

All I'm saying is not to be blinded by 'movements' that know exactly which strings and emotional chords to strike in us.

Things are not what they seem.

By all this, I don't mean to say not to resist, not to be a FREE agent (or a free radical :)). But beware of 'movements' which are ALLOWED in the media like you would beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Do your OWN thing. Get together with like minded people. Don't form, join or support 'movements' (like Zeitgeist, Venus, Occupy, Wayseers and many others). Don't recruit (or be recruited), but lead by personal example.

IMO.

Andro
10-03-2012, 11:38 PM
Addendum: Look for those who ARE persecuted and prosecuted, preferably with little to no media coverage, but also make sure it's not just for show (like some bogus celebrity arrests).

Ghislain
10-04-2012, 08:00 AM
All the above points are totally valid Androgynus...but there is a difference today...that difference is
the time, the people, the Internet and today's technology...with groups like Anonymous the information
is a two way street...there will be people in the "Establishments" we are talking of who have anonymous
access to whistle blow and they probably will.

The only way this could be stopped is to shut down the internet... what reaction would you get from
the people...not to mention the disruption to business. The manipulators need the Internet as much as
we do.

IMO The aim is not to gain control, but to stop corruption of that control...this will create untold
chaos as the slugs that have been eating our lettuce for so long try to hang on, but a better world
should emerge from the other side...IMO it is the right time.

It will get a lot worse for everyone before it gets better...

The majority of people today can think for themselves and through the media will learn of past events
and the manipulations.

The manipulations today are so blatant that the people manipulating have taken on a total disregard
for the intelligence of the ordinary man; they have relied upon them being in their comfort zone for
them not to take action and they have been right. How many people talk of the corruption and then
sit back and ask, "but what can I do?", now someone is saying, “look this is what you can do”.

Time to throw off those invisible shackles and make a stand...not to win anything, but to bring about
change, to become the butterflies that we should be rather than the grubs we are, spinning the silk
to clothe the manipulators.

I can only point to my signature here and say if you don't stand for something you will fall for
anything.

I cannot predict the future, but I can say if nothing changes then everything stays the same...how
long can we close our eyes to it?

Destruction of the planet
Corruption
Poverty
Racism
Abuse
Selfishness
Slavery
Gluttony
Greed
Lust
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride
...etc...etc.

Is any of the above necessary to survive?
Would the world be a better place without them?

What about...

Temperance
Chastity
Charity
Diligence
Patience
Kindness
Humility

(the above was pinched from the opposites of the seven deadly sins)

I don’t think I can say I have anything in quantity from that second list...how bad is that?

It is time for me to change...have I the courage to do so...?

Just another way of looking at it.

Ghislain

Don't think...Feel

Andro
10-04-2012, 09:55 AM
there is a difference today...

Like I said before:


And no matter how much we tell ourselves that 'this one is going to be different', it always ends the same.


The only way this could be stopped is to shut down the internet... what reaction would you get from
the people...not to mention the disruption to business. The manipulators need the Internet as much as
we do.

They can selectively shut down/block the inconvenient bits. Besides, there are alternative 'webs' already in place.


IMO The aim is not to gain control, but to stop corruption of that control...

Your aim and mine, yes. But the aim of 'movements' is to shift control or to increase it/centralize it.


It will get a lot worse for everyone before it gets better...

Yes.


The majority of people today can think for themselves

Have you looked around recently? The majority of people can NOT think for themselves. Even you are saying: "Don't think... Feel".


through the media will learn of past events and the manipulations.

Without a deep INTERNAL revelation, I doubt this can ever happen. That's why they need 'movements' to tell them what's what.


if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.

Standing for something and falling for something can often be pretty much the same thing. Not necessarily, but it tends to happen a lot... One can fall while standing without even noticing...


if nothing changes then everything stays the same...

Everything basically DOES stay the same, just differently disguised. The only possible 'change' I can perceive is EndGame.


Destruction of the planet

The planet has done fine before humanity and can take care of itself long after we are gone, even if it could take a while to regenerate. It wouldn't be the first time, either...


Is any of the above necessary to survive?

Is survival the goal? Are we trying to survive life here?


Would the world be a better place without them?

The world is not a 'place'. It's a state of mind, of perception and reflection.


Don't think...Feel

That's exactly what they're counting on... Shifting polarities in such manner, only serves the Hegelian dialectic.

We need to BOTH think AND feel, to have hemispheric synchronization, to have a balanced perspective.

And my 'issue' is not with you and me wanting to make more of our life experience.

My issue is with such 'movements', that we so easily FALL for, while STANDING for them.

George Clooney gets to hang out with the president at the white house after his bogus Sudan-related arrest and 100$ fine, while Charlie Sheen's career is basically ruined for expressing his genuine opinions.

The founder of wayseers (Microsoft, Presidential campaigns and advertizing) roams free, while Assange was (or still is) practically held hostage at the Ecuadorian Embassy by the Brit Gov not letting him leave, despite having been granted political asylum by Ecuador, while the people of piratebay are facing HUGE fines and jail time...

David Icke and Alex Jones gather large audiences, while Bill Cooper gets shot dead for truly standing up and ACTING his freedom.

I agree with Dev about using stealth IF you want to be an 'activist'.

Or, if you have the know-how, you can do THIS (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1143-Youtube-music-links/page5#post24916) (Watch until the end). This is what I would do, if I haven't already...

Ghislain
10-04-2012, 06:53 PM
Androgynus, because something doesn’t work does not mean one has to quit trying, you regroup and
try another strategy. We cannot live in fear of past events.

I feel I am looking at the glass half full and you see it half empty. This does not mean I have no
reservations, but my philosophy is “just do it”. What is the worst that can happen…we end up where we
are now? At least this way we may recover from the apathy we have been drowning in.

I have journeyed from quite a different place to where I am now and there is nothing special about
me and that is so with others…I trust that everyone will do what is right, and each will make their own
choice.

As I said before I dont want to influence people’s opinion on the Wayseers, but I guess it is obvious that I
am more pro than anti. If nothing else it will be interesting and I should be here to see it.

04/10/2012 19:42 Day 2 of 31 Total = $11,716 Target $30,000

Ghislain

Andro
10-04-2012, 07:15 PM
because something doesn’t work does not mean one has to quit trying, you regroup and try another strategy. We cannot live in fear of past events.

Not in fear of past events, but in analysis of them. Just for the fun of it, one could do some research into conditions, events and social phenomena which led to the creation of most (if not all) tyrannies in history.

What was that saying about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?


I feel I am looking at the glass half full and you see it half empty.

What is already filled - I have no interest in. Give me the empty part - Our Virgin Earth :)

Like I said before, I am not the 'movement' type, especially since I know a few similar ones and how/by whom they are financed and controlled...

I am not in any way saying that you should not be/feel part of something like this.

'Something' may well come of it, for better or worse (or both) -and ultimately, neither of us has the slightest clue what this is going to be :)


04/10/2012 19:42 Day 2 of 31 Total = $11,716 Target $30,000

What can I say, the guy has the perfect background (Microsoft, presidential electoral campaigns, viral marketing and advertizing) to operate a rather well laid out business plan :)

I wish I had his talent to raise money (for buying land in South America)...
_____________________________

PS: I think this 'Devil's Advocate' thing is catching on to me... I wonder who it is that I got it from :)

All in good friendship ♥ ♥ ♥

solomon levi
10-08-2012, 01:47 PM
I didn't have time to watch all the linked material - just read the posts and comments of
people here.
350,000,000... makes me think of "too many cooks spoil the broth".
Being/feeling different or less or rebellious or whatever it is that makes one a wayseer
isn't, IMO, enough cohesion to make a change. There are a lot of differences
within 350,000,000 people. I lean towards smaller "subjective" groups causing initiation and ascension.
Escaping or liberating or whatever we call it is easier done in small unnoticed groups.
It all starts with oneself, right. And then how many people do you know who really resonate with you?
35? 350?! I doubt it. You probably count them on one hand.
Ideally (perhaps not) the whole world could be one family and we'd exclude/judge no one, but I see
that that is only for a few non-dualists to actually achieve. Most people aren't interested in that...
because it involves losing your own identity as well which scares most people.
IMO and experience and seeing, as long as there is this assumed ego identity, there will be conflict.
Ego identity is the source of conflict. We can try to make egos the same/similar enough to bear
one another, but that really will never happen. The real solution, which also may never happen,
is for everyone to lose their minds/egos/identities. Thought is the conflict/separator.
I'm looking at it (thought, my mind) right now and if it is still, there's no separation - if it
thinks, the thought is defined and separate from other thoughts and things.
This is apparent to me. What other solution could possibly exist? What solution
which involves egos that are the source of all problems?
The world, if it wants healing and unity, needs egolessness, which it doesn't want.
How could we complain about the state of the world without thought/identity/ego-thinker?
Who wants to stop complaining/seeing fault/imagining error? How many people do you know
that have no opinion?

Money, greed, war, government, illuminati... whatever... are not the problem.
You can't be alone without thinking and finding fault in yourself and separation from yourself.
Heal thyself. The world may or may not follow. But you won't care anymore if you are whole.
In being whole, you are the whole world already.
In being unwhole/part/ego-identity/thinker, etc... you are screwed no matter what the ego does.
The ego cannot possible DO wholeness.
This is why healing/change doesn't happen.
I'm no pessimist... I just SEE directly that "wayseers" cannot work because it doesn't
address the real issue/problem, which is ego.
So in that, I pretty much agree with Androgynus' view on movements.
You can MOVE egos around all you want (we've been moving them for thousands of years)
and there will never be a Utopia, or whatever, of egos.
So we can have small communities of like-minded people that resemble Utopias;
or even smaller communities of no-minded people which actually see Utopia wherever they look
because they ARE it...
but Wayseers won't work.
Being special reminds me a lot of Obama winning the election by preaching "change"...
it's just another generic emotion word with no real resolution intended.
Seems like the guy is on top of a pyramid scam, raking in some money to sell his product.
A vision or dream can be a product - like democracy or peace or change or "new-age-feel-good-sugar-coated-spirituality"....etc.

As long as the ego is there, it will fuck up the world no matter how you change it, no matter what
government or no-government, movement or no-movement, no matter what religion or non-religion, etc, etc.
And who can say, "I need donations to dissolve my ego."? Probably won't make for a successful movement. :)

Ghislain
10-08-2012, 02:26 PM
I can only say it feels right Sol

Ghislain

Ghislain
10-09-2012, 05:03 AM
The Total so far is $14,927 It appears to have slowed dramatically, there is still 25 days to go though.

Ghislain

Ghislain
10-20-2012, 02:02 AM
Recently I have realised that the only thing that matters is now, however right now I would like to update
this thread so...

Half way total is $17,443


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T82xZmik0N8&feature=player_embedded

Ghislain

Ghislain
11-03-2012, 01:03 PM
Target Reached $32,613

Ready to launch

How to use UPRISER (http://vimeo.com/50570224)

Go to UPRISER (http://upriser.com/) site

If you like what you've seen about The Wayseers send your friends a link to this thread.

The more the merrier! :)


Ghislain

Sol...Re- reading your post...#15, That would make an excellent post on UPRISER. I would support that.

Andro
01-26-2013, 08:36 PM
Watch the movie Promised Land (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2091473/) for an excellent example of protest movements in action within the formulas of the Hegelian Dialectic I've mentioned earlier on this thread.

http://www.kat.ph/torrentwidget/18B6DF03E49BA699BC19D01793A4C8F0FD13DDB8.png (http://www.kat.ph/promised-land-2012-dvdscr-xvid-ac3-absurdity-t7018521.html)

If you can't access the torrent, I'm sure it can be watched online somewhere, like HERE (http://www.putlocker.com/file/0DC60F9CDD770B53#) for example.