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Primera Hebi
11-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Hello forum-goers, I would like to ask you all a question.

What are your thoughts on a post-humanity? As in, a sort of singularity. Fusing with nanotech and machines to transcend mankind? Hyper-regneration, enhance grip and throwing strength, speed and agility, etc. I personally love the idea but what do YOU think?

Awani
11-04-2012, 06:45 PM
Uploaded souls to the Virtual Cosmos.

:cool:

Andro
11-04-2012, 06:50 PM
Fusing with nano-tech and machines to transcend mankind? [...] I personally love the idea but what do YOU think?

Have you considered the implications of cyber-implants? Like the manipulation/control of human consciousness that they would most likely involve?

Such technologies will eventually also come with the dubious 'benefits' of being remote-controllable...

Just as an example, would you have a VeriChip (http://www.antichips.com/faq/html/faq-section01.html) implanted into yourself?


Uploaded souls to the Virtual Cosmos.

Do you mean technology-assisted? Like an iCloud for souls?

Krisztian
11-04-2012, 09:17 PM
What are your thoughts on a post-humanity? As in, a sort of singularity. Fusing with nanotech and machines to transcend mankind?

Humankind cannot be transcended by "machines" of sort. That's only the task of spirituality; I hate to write that word because it'll be taken any direction and I don't have enough space to fully explain that word for what that means to me.

Yes, a level of dependence will always exist between "machines" (i.e., knife, riffle, computer, refrigerator, heaters, etc.) and humans, but when one becomes overly reliant on the other, there you have potential for abuse!


Hyper-regneration, enhance grip and throwing strength, speed and agility, etc. I personally love the idea but what do YOU think?

Why have more throwing power, or speed? For entertainment, maybe. I think we need 'to grow' in more love, kindness, no? Humanity needs salvation by finding that peace, satisfaction inside. No "machine" can provide that. A lack of spirituality occurs, when you have a society that worships and advertises 'our saviour' as the creator of computers! Have you seen that magazine article?

Spirituality and "machines" in balance - yes. Is humanity there yet? Well, I'll just let you answer that yourself.

Primera Hebi
11-04-2012, 09:56 PM
Have you considered the implications of cyber-implants? Like the manipulation/control of human consciousness that they would most likely involve?

Such technologies will eventually also come with the dubious 'benefits' of being remote-controllable...

Just as an example, would you have a VeriChip (http://www.antichips.com/faq/html/faq-section01.html) implanted into yourself?

I never truly thought about that whole manipulation thing... I was just blindly assuming that the people giving the implants had good intentions :) ... This may be a terribly bad example, but that chip almost sounds like the tattoos the Nazis would give to the Jewish people during WWII... Your own unique identification number? People always knowing where you are? Thats an awfully scary thought.


Humankind cannot be transcended by "machines" of sort. That's only the task of spirituality; I hate to write that word because it'll be taken any direction and I don't have enough space to fully explain that word for what that means to me.

Yes, a level of dependence will always exist between "machines" (i.e., knife, riffle, computer, refrigerator, heaters, etc.) and humans, but when one becomes overly reliant on the other, there you have potential for abuse!

Why have more throwing power, or speed? For entertainment, maybe. I think we need 'to grow' in more love, kindness, no? Humanity needs salvation by finding that peace, satisfaction inside. No "machine" can provide that. A lack of spirituality occurs, when you have a society that worships and advertises 'our saviour' as the creator of computers! Have you seen that magazine article?

Spirituality and "machines" in balance - yes. Is humanity there yet? Well, I'll just let you answer that yourself.

You have a very interesting perspective, Krisztian. And you are correct in thinking that we as humans must grow in love and compassion. Humankind doesn't look out for each other as much as they should, and sometimes even do bad upon others (con artists, thieves, murderers, etc). But, notice I don't want machines to transcend humans, I want humans to evolve. We as humans should take evolution into our own hands. When I mentioned machines I meant to break the barrier between mechanism and human, and to fuse humans with technology, not to create A.I.

Why have those things? Because if we kept it in the hands of good, righteous people it could prove very valuable (how many criminals would still go around looting and killing if they knew there were "superhumans" out on patrol?)... But yes completely understand what you say about spiritual balance. No, I will not press you for information on what religion or what beliefs you have and no I will not ask what it means to you, because I dislike when people do that to me on the internet as well.

Krisztian
11-04-2012, 10:50 PM
No, I will not press you for information on what religion or what beliefs you have and no I will not ask what it means to you, because I dislike when people do that to me on the internet as well.

Firstly, thank you for answering the way you did. And the tone you expressed.

Secondly, I do like your optimism Primera Hebi, and without it one would die of the beautiful thirst of life.


Why have those things? Because if we kept it in the hands of good, righteous people it could prove very valuable. . . .

"Machines", technology in general, not unlike television, computers, etc., have always been filtered out, or "allowed to come out", from the military complex. They have seemingly unlimited funds. They collect in the name of "National Security" whatever flies around in our skys, in our oceans, and on land. I know it's harsh, but research has clearly established that.


(how many criminals would still go around looting and killing if they knew there were "superhumans" out on patrol?).

Force-of-any-kind just creates more force to deal with. Teach and heal the "criminals" of their childhood trauma; well yes, maybe we have a chance.

It's also only 'helpful' as long as you're not mistaken for a criminal. I suppose, it's also the controllers of "superhumans on patrol" who will define who is or who is not a criminal?

Primera Hebi
11-04-2012, 11:59 PM
Firstly, thank you for answering the way you did. And the tone you expressed.

Secondly, I do like your optimism Primera Hebi, and without it one would die of the beautiful thirst of life.

Thank you, but my problem is that I may be a little too optimistic, don't you agree?


"Machines", technology in general, not unlike television, computers, etc., have always been filtered out, or "allowed to come out", from the military complex. They have seemingly unlimited funds. They collect in the name of "National Security" whatever flies around in our skys, in our oceans, and on land. I know it's harsh, but research has clearly established that.

Very good point. Much like when America had the "Fast and Furious" issue with the guns... Nonetheless, don't you think the government would raise the security around these mechanisms more?


Force-of-any-kind just creates more force to deal with.

I can't exactly argue with this point. A police-state would be an unavoidable problem.


I suppose, it's also the controllers of "superhumans on patrol" who will define who is or who is not a criminal?

Who is it that defines who is or isn't a criminal now? Unless your unhappy with their discretion, it wouldn't be too much of a problem, would it?

Krisztian
11-05-2012, 03:40 AM
Who is it that defines who is or isn't a criminal now? Unless your unhappy with their discretion, it wouldn't be too much of a problem, would it?

My caution would be that whoever thinks along the lines of integrating nanotechnology per say with the human-body does so for one single purpose: control! The Powers-That-Be don't just bring about something that doesn't push forward a plan for more control. I see your Government, but also ones in Europe, starting to fear the citizens. With fear comes more compulsion for control. Nowdays religion just doesn't provide the same "influence"; so we have a new savior on the block: technology!

That could be my bias.

Awani
11-05-2012, 09:52 PM
Andro: yes kind of. Like consciousness uploaded to a virtual world. We are half way there already.

:cool:

Awani
11-05-2012, 09:56 PM
but that chip almost sounds like the tattoos the Nazis would give to the Jewish people during WWII... Your own unique identification number?

It is like this now. We are all given a number at birth and this number stays with us till we die. At least it is so in all the places I have lived in.

:cool:

Andro
11-06-2012, 01:14 PM
Hitler was interested in being a SUPERMAN... most fascist dictators are only interested in ruling everyone else.

Nietzsche talked about the 'Superman'. Hitler, for example, interpreted this in a collectivist/nationalist way, rather than in an individualistic way.

Robert Monroe coined the term 'H+' (Human Plus).

Comics have their own legions of (fictional?) Superheroes.

So I suppose the craving is there...


Perhaps Hitler figured a Superman is a Veggie ;)

He also lost his parents at relatively young ages (14 and 17)

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/Superheroes1.jpg

(Not to say that a 'superhero' can't be a 'super-villain', depending where one is looking from)

:confused:

PS: Yeah, I know, Godwin's Law and all :)

Andro
11-06-2012, 04:33 PM
Re-reading my post above, really made me think about the possibility that our parental programming (reinforcing old inherited limiting patterns + all the early stacked parent-related emotional baggage) may actually be one of the major causes of BLOCKING our innate abilities to be 'Super-Humans'...

Quoth Milan Kundera - 'Life is Elsewhere (http://www.jiajiaoma.cn/ebooks/jjm_ebooks_090421bp.pdf)':


This is something that could never have happened to Xavier, because Xavier has no mother, and no father either, and not having parents is the first precondition of freedom.
But please understand, it's not a matter of losing one's parents.
Gerard de Nerval's mother died when he was a newborn, and yet he lived his whole life under the hypnotic gaze of her wonderful eyes.
Freedom does nor begin where parents are rejected or buried, but where they do not exist.
Where man is brought into the world without knowing by whom.
Where man is brought into the world by an egg thrown into a forest.
Where man is spat out on the ground by the sky and puts his feet on the world without feeling gratitude.

On the other hand, quoth Freddie Mercury (Queen):


Mother Mercury
Look what they've done to me

Now, that's more like it :)
✂-----------------------------------------

Awani
11-06-2012, 07:01 PM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/deviadah/forum/430728_4191465019472_490324680_n.jpg

:cool:

Ghislain
11-06-2012, 07:44 PM
What are your thoughts on a post-humanity? As in, a sort of singularity. Fusing with nanotech and
machines to transcend mankind? Hyper-regneration, enhance grip and throwing strength, speed and
agility, etc. I personally love the idea but what do YOU think?

When you write singularity do you mean as in a singular point, or an unusual or unique quality, are you
referring to the properties of a black hole or are you referring to a singular collective such as that of
the Borg in Star Trek?

There are many animals that enhance their capabilities using materials from their surroundings. The
hermit crab that uses discarded shells for protection, the Monarch Butterfly lava that eats milkweed
and accumulates the poison for protection, the Amazon, wild parrots that eat clay to neutralize the
toxins they ingest from eating poisonous seeds.

I am sure there are other, even more amazing, things animals use to enhance their survival potential.
Even we humans wear clothes and build extravagant shelters allowing us to live in environments
that would otherwise prove fatal to us, so to interact with the latest technology appears to be an
obvious direction.

One might consider what will happen to ones soul; do we need to keep some of the living flesh to
retain our souls? I don’t think so as I see everything as one and therefore everything is part of spirit
and that, IMO, is what soul is...part of spirit.

I would love to talk with someone who has reached true enlightenment to ask them if our
intelligence is a hindrance, because you see we believe we know something, when in actuality, again
IMO, we know nothing. Descartes said, “I think therefore I am”, What he should have said was “I
am, but I am confused because I think”.

I have pondered the possibility that we are only machines and I stated this in another thread, “The Vessel” (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2131-The-Vessel).

Extract from The Vessel:


Recently I have been lead to believe that we are vessels, machines if you like...’experience machines’
for the One.

Our brain is the CPU that runs the vessel on a day to day basis and all our knowledge, however
well educated one may be, is but a drop in the ocean to what is and serves only to run the machine
for further experience, although our ego would have us believe otherwise.

There may be problems with physically integrating with new technology, but we have that problem
now. Here are a few things that can be done now...I’m sure others could add to this list:

• It can be seen where you go on your phone and no doubt it can be heard what you say
• It can be seen what you write here on the net and what you browse (it will make you blind ).
• Your movements and spending habits can be seen by where and how you use your debit cards.
• It can be dictated what programmes you can watch on TV (The Brain Drain).

What more control could be applied that can’t now?

Have a look at the video below as just one option, there are more after this...It’s a shame they have to be a military, to get the funding.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0hkCcoenLW4

I wonder if it can plough a field :)

Ghislain

Edit: I forgot to mention:

• People can see through your web cam. I had a pop up come up on me the other day and it contained a picture
of me sitting here. Luckily I wasn't doing anything that could make me blind ;)

Primera Hebi
11-06-2012, 10:23 PM
When you write singularity do you mean as in a singular point, or an unusual or unique quality, are you
referring to the properties of a black hole or are you referring to a singular collective such as that of
the Borg in Star Trek?

A singular collective.


One might consider what will happen to ones soul; do we need to keep some of the living flesh to
retain our souls? I don't think so as I see everything as one and therefore everything is part of spirit
and that, IMO, is what soul is...part of spirit.

I am not suggesting we discard our human features, I'm simply suggesting implants of prosthetics and nanotech to basically make a "Human x10"


Descartes said "I think therefore I am"

I love that quote, and it gets me thinking... Descartes was such a wise individual, yet his statement became the foundation of solipsism, a philosophy many disregard as introverted nonsense. Back on topic now :)


I have pondered the possibility that we are only machines

As have I, as have I.

Orbital
11-07-2012, 12:11 AM
Atleast you're willing to be blunt and call it "post-humanism". The controllers like to keep it more politically correct by referring to it as "transhumanism". It's an agenda, and it's rolling forward whether anyone likes it or not. I like your post-humanism term because it really represents what happens when man merges with machine.

They've already introduced the "chip" to students at some Texas schools, and various schools throughout the country. There have been lawsuits of course, but all of which have largely been settled outside of court. The children will be the first to become use to the system, so when they're ready to roll out the RFID chips they'll have no qualms about it since they will already be use to being monitored. The majority of kids these days (teenagers and 20 somethings) seem to be relavist atheists... which is a scary prospect in my opinion. I think it reflects their level of conditioning.
We live in very uncertain and trying times indeed.


In 1973 the "Humanist Manifesto II" was published. Quote:

"...the dawn of a new age, a secular society on a planetary scale, we begin with humans not God, nature NOT deity, a system of world law and a WORLD ORDER based upon transnational federal government, THE TRUE REVOLUTION IS OCCURRING."



It's time to really wake up.

I like your quote from Freddie Mercury Androgynus, so I have to add one from Frank Zappa...

The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.

Ghislain
11-07-2012, 01:09 AM
Primera Hebi

Are we not already this singularity? I know we try to fight it at every turn, but I’m sure we are.

What is the goal for our physical prowess is there a limit? Human x 10? why not make it x 100 or
x 1,000,000


I am not suggesting we discard our human features

Have you asked yourself why you are not suggesting that? Where does one draw the line as
technology advances?

Richard Dawkins in his book, "The Selfish Gene", talks about us as survival machines and our sole
purpose is to carry and protect the success of the gene. Could this be why we are so adamant on
keeping some of our genetic material...does it matter which genetic material we keep? What part of
us is us?

Do you think that as machines advance it is possible they may begin to feel emotion? Will they
begin to question why they are here and who created them? You could answer that with...it will be
on record, but any Christian, Jew or Muslim will tell you it already is; in their respective ways.


I love that quote, and it gets me thinking

That's unfortunate, I do apologise:(

Rivers flow, Mountains stand, Trees sway, and Humans think...it's what we do, but we find it so
special.

I believe that it is when we stop thinking and start feeling the answers will come.

Where has all this technology got us...?

Overpopulation, stress, debt, planetary erosion, disconnected from nature, war (especially war),
pollution, disease and worst of all a disconnection from that singularity that you proffered in your
opening post.

What is our quality of life? TV dinners & work.

Compare your average City High-Flyer against an average Amish Farmer...who do you think is the
most satisfied, has the least stress, has the least impact on the environment, is the most connected
to nature and has the best connection to a collective?

What I was trying to portray in my last post was it is a never ending cycle of "progression" to
nowhere/now-here; inevitable if we keep going in this direction, but pointless.

An alternative may be redistribution of wealth/land leading to less stress, more socialising leading to
better parenting and a happier “community”; but this won’t happen as we will always want more.

Well more than that next guy anyway :)

Orbital

When Zappa says "they" does he mean "us"?


Ghislain

Edit: My upgrade to IPhone5 arrives tomorrow :)

Orbital
11-07-2012, 03:25 AM
Orbital

When Zappa says "they" does he mean "us"?



I'm pretty sure Zappa means they. They've been running the show for a very long time. The same guys that put a bullet in John Lennon and Kennedy's heads, threw planes into a couple of towers, propped up Communism, created World Wars, wiped out whole indigenous cultures and socieites all over the world... division division division division division division... boxes within boxes. It's mind numbing. The same guys that are wanting you to be happy to have that Iphone 5 in your hands. This is the world we're born into. A prison reality. Haha


To really understand one's conditioning I think the best start is by learning about Bernays. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

This video also helps..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmUzwRCyTSo

solomon levi
11-11-2012, 09:09 AM
We're already post-human.
The idea/fixation that we are humans is a temporal dream.
That said, both spirit and technology are capable of making a human more than a human.
Consciousness is consciousness, regardless if we call it UNconsciousness or "artificial" consciousness
or cosmic consciousness or christ consciousness....
A human is able to imagine all this weirdness and separateness and choice...
to imagine some things are alive and others are dead...
to imagine technology is bad and spirit is good (or vice-versa)...etc...

All of this "post"-humanity is still humanity... it's relative.
The word "humanity" implies/demands non-humanity, post-humanity, pre-humanity, in-humanity...
every word is the beginning of a trance/non-lucid dream.
No need to blame/look for Bernays or Rockefellers or Illuminati or hidden govts...
we propagandise ourselves all the time - if we didn't, Bernays etc, wouldn't be able to.
But the option/freedom isn't very attractive... it involves not-identitifying, not-believing, not-knowing
and not-doing. I'm not choosing sides if it looks like it... all these "not"s are merely tools to re-cognise
identifying, believing, knowing and doing. One isn't more preferable than another to me. It's having
and utilising the option of both/All that interests me. And we all do have those options already, even
if we don't know it. Who is keeping the truth from us? A better question might be, How many years
have I devoted to keeping myself from the truth? (By "truth" I mean Satya: "The philosophical meaning of the word 'Satya' is
"unchangeable", "that which has no distortion", "that which is beyond distinctions of time, space, and person", "that which
pervades the universe in all its constancy." Human life progresses through different stages—from childhood to adolescence,
from adolescence to youth, and youth to old age. It is through these changes that people progress in the manifest world.
That is why human life or its receptacle, the body, is not Satya." - wikipedia)

I forget what I was talking about so I guess I said enough. :D

edit: Oh, I remember. Anyway, if I focussed too much on the title instead of responding to the subject, please forgive me.
If the subject is more about technology than humanity, I still have a similar response:
technology is a word. It's still just one of those infinite things consciousness can shine light on.
Let's face it: all definitions are arbitrary.

zoas23
11-17-2012, 05:04 AM
Nietzsche talked about the 'Superman'. Hitler, for example, interpreted this in a collectivist/nationalist way, rather than in an individualistic way.

Robert Monroe coined the term 'H+' (Human Plus).


A writer a really LOVE, Ernst Jünger, had the opinion that Nietzsche's prophecy about the Last Man (i.e, the man that was going to come after the Superman) was wrong.

Jünger wrote a fantastic essay with his own prophecies: "On Pain".

What he wrote in that essay is very relevant to this thread. He wrote it in 1934. It is a book about post-humanity.

He said that Nietzsche's "Last Man" had been replaced by the "Man Machine" (by the way: I always thought that Kraftwerk's album "The Man Machine", featuring songs such as "We are the Robots" was inspired by these ideas of Jünger... same thing goes for some sci-fi authors, such as J.G. Ballard... or even some avant-garde theater plays, like Heiner Müller's "Hamlet-Machine" - http://www.galerie-raskolnikow.de/paddavis/pages/Hamlet2.html ).

What Jünger said is that Mankind always had a problem: we suffer, we feel pain.

He had the opinion that Mankind was going in a direction in which the new ideal was going to be the machine.... or, actually, the Man-Machine. Why? Because machines feel no pain.... they are simply designed to perform tasks.

One of the prophecies of the book is that Mankind was going to invent Suicide Bombers. He wrote something very interesting about them: a suicide bomber is not "a man who is carrying a bomb"... but a bomb (a machine) designed in such a way that one of its parts is a human... which is a very interesting way to understand what a suicide bomber is: it's not a man varrying a bomb, it's a bomb with many different parts, one of its parts is a human... and that's why suicide bombers have no fear to die, it's not a religious issue, it's simply that the Man has been absorbed into the machine... and the machine feels no pain, nor it fears death... it simply performs a task.

It's just like this quote taken from Heiner Müller's "Hamlet-Machine":

I force open my sealed flesh. I want to dwell in my veins, in the marrow of my bones, in the maze of my skull. I retreat into my entrails. I take my seat in my shit, in my blood. Somewhere bodies are torn apart so I can dwell in my shit. Somewhere bodies are opened so I can be alone with my blood. My thoughts are lesions in my brain. My brain is a scar. I want to be a machine. Arms are grabbing Legs to walk on, no pain no thoughts.

Müller's play is incredibly interesting. Müller was a post second world war German marxist who imagined this situation:
What if Hamlet's father was Hitler and Hamlet's uncle was Stalinism?

It didn't make any kind of sense for him to see the German Hamlet's trying to "revenge" Hitler's death.... nor it made any kind of sense to start a Marxist revolution against Stalinist Germany (before 1989, of course).
He had the opnion that the "modern Hamlet" wanted to be a Machine... a machine that eats alive the human, the pain.

Going to Androgynus post with a quote by Milan Kundera, Müller's play also has a line about that, but going in a different direction:

Here comes the ghost who made me, the ax still in his skull. Keep your hat on, I know you've got one hole too many. I would my mother had one less when you were still of flesh: I would have been spared myself. Women should be sewed up - a world without mothers. We could butcher each other in peace and quiet, and with some confidence, if life gets too long for us or our throats too tight for our screams.

This technological world without parents has also been imagined by Aldous Huxley ("Brave New World")... he wasn't in love with it either.

Andro
11-17-2012, 05:30 AM
Maybe all these views above, are actually attempts to envision an 'Alchemical' humanity (or super-humanity).

Maybe they are 'poor' or 'distorted' attempts, maybe they're ideas in their infancy - but nevertheless sharing a similar vision IMO, however problematic the implementations may sound at this stage.

I'll re-quote this phrase from Milan Kundera:


Where man is brought into the world by an egg thrown into a forest.

Perhaps an Alchemical 'Egg'?

Parents do not create the incarnating Spirit, they only create a body (physical vehicle) for the Spirit to incarnate in.

There may well come a 'time' when we will be able to create our own bodies to incarnate into, and even change/alter them at will, if we so need/desire.

The possibilities are endless, and all the above mentioned schools of thought may be no more than initial infant steps of a greater work in progress.

III
11-17-2012, 08:06 AM
Maybe all these views above, are actually attempts to envision an 'Alchemical' humanity (or super-humanity).

Maybe they are 'poor' or 'distorted' attempts, maybe they're ideas in their infancy - but nevertheless sharing a similar vision IMO, however problematic the implementations may sound at this stage.

I'll re-quote this phrase from Milan Kundera:



Perhaps an Alchemical 'Egg'?

Parents do not create the incarnating Spirit, they only create a body (physical vehicle) for the Spirit to incarnate in.

There may well come a 'time' when we will be able to create our own bodies to incarnate into, and even change/alter them at will, if we so need/desire.

The possibilities are endless, and all the above mentioned schools of thought may be no more than initial infant steps of a greater work in progress.



Hi Androgynus,


Parents do not create the incarnating Spirit, they only create a body (physical vehicle) for the Spirit to incarnate in.

I would agree fully. My wife and I had 3 children. We were aware of "conception" within 12 hours all 3 times, well before actual conception could of occurred. The 2nd and 3rd also were unusual in other ways. In both cases as we went about our days our thoughts were totally sexual all day and we both decided to not use a condom that night independently on both occasions and we knew it worked by the next morning. A single occurance conception is a 1 in 100 occasion, at that time. Two in a row is quite unexpected.

I was working Sunday at the computer shop I was programming for and one of the owners and his wife were there doing some book keeping. I walked up to his wife who I have had known well for several years at that point and asked her when her baby was due. She said that she wasn't pregnant. A month late she asked me how I could have possibly known since they had only had sex the night before. I've heard of people being aware of the spirit hanging around before sex even.

I'm not sure I even know what "human" is much less "post human". So those of us practicing Alchemy as voluntary evolution are becoming self responsible for our own growth and evolution, Maybe as Solomon says we are already post human in the sense that if we started as "human" 50,000 years ago in a linear sense and far more in possible incarnations I sure that many have likely taken advantage of the posiblity to evolve beyond those primative early "modern man" types. Others I'm sure are quite frightened of the idea of changing.

As far as human augmentation a good place to start is being able to repair all the damage form the many physical traumas of lfe and decrweae the effects of aging. "What a drag it is getting old." But genuine "post human" in my mind could only be evolution of our minds, of our being, not to be confused with the physical body represented as human.

Andro
12-01-2012, 04:01 AM
I'm a sucker for TV shows :)

So, this one is dealing with one of many ways to look at the evolution of humanity.

It's called Continuum (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954347/), and deals with a future world ruled by corporations, with humans enhanced by cyber-implants and much more...

Those who are more revolutionary inclined, may also find lots of enjoyable goodies in there :)

http://www.kat.ph/torrentwidget/B123C806FA1BE86113A2AA1DFEF0072551D48555.png (http://www.kat.ph/continuum-the-complete-season-1-720p-hdtv-visionx-t6559232.html)

Ilos
12-24-2012, 02:41 PM
Im fond of the sci fi stuff with all the spaceships and all the sophisticated machinery..
We cant stop the evolution of mankind but I ask myself sometimes who's imagination are we living in
In my opinion I would like the world to focus more on the organic and spiritual things more than on the mechanic
Life wont be easier if we only look into one direction of life
considering the alternatives is always a good idea
If you have to implant wires into your foot in order to run faster ask your self why should you be any faster than you already are and consider the alternatives
If some country wants to have super soldier to be able to occupy more land maybe they should think of how to grow more land
This is another question of a human ego vs the human altruism
Pity if we ever need heroes