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Andro
02-11-2013, 07:38 PM
Link to article: Pope resigns, saying no longer has strength to fulfill ministry (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/11/us-pope-confirm-idUSBRE91A0A120130211)

Now, to the more interesting part:


According to today's news, the current pope is going to resign on February 28.
According to St. Malachy's prophesy (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=st.+malachy%27s+prophecy+of+the+popes&btnK=), his successor will be the final pope.
The question is if the current pope is resigning because of his poor health,
or does he know the end is near and he is simply resigning to fulfill the prophesy?

General opinion is that the next pope will be Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson,
who fits all the prophecies and all the standing procedures for being the next Pope.
According to the Malachy prophesy, the final pope will be "Peter the Roman".

So why Turkson?

- As he studied in Rome, he ALREADY HAS THE NICKNAME of "Peter The Roman" in his native village.
- Another prophecy states that the last Pope will be "the son of a Turk" - His name is literally "Turkson"
- Turkson is close to the last two Popes' doctrinal factions.
This is all quite interesting. Time will tell...

Krisztian
02-12-2013, 03:12 PM
I've read in the last day or so somewhere, that the Pope - after his resignation - met with the Order of the Knights of Malta. Anyone familiar, even vaguely, with that Order should smile and nod and understand what that means. I wonder how fast the conspiracy authors and researchers will be writing about this rather interesting detail?

theFool
02-12-2013, 04:54 PM
It seems that the pope knew what will happen a year before:
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/02/10/%E2%80%9Cplot-against-benedict-will-months%E2%80%9D/

This article was published at 10 Feb 2012 ("Marco Lillo | 10 febbraio 2012")

Krisztian
02-12-2013, 07:45 PM
It seems that the pope knew what will happen a year before:

Thanks for that news-article. Good read.

Yes, it would seem that most, if not all, of these roles in highly visible offices (viz., President, Cardinals, CEOs, etc.) are hand-picked and the person plays a 'walk in' role that's ultra-controlled and rehearsed in some sense. I wonder what 'payoff' he was compensated for by accepting this 'acting job' in the first place? The Hidden_Hands seemed to have pulled the string for an exist of sort.

glenerson
02-15-2013, 11:03 PM
I would just like to comment on "End-days"

Though I lean to Gnostic, Buddhist, Alchemical ideas, I am a devout Catholic. And everything that I found in Catholicism were related to the fields that I mentioned..

Through Catholicism, I found out the Gnostic teachings of Valentinus through Irenaeus
I correlated Buddhist and Christian ideas and I found them very related
My recent discoveries in Alchemy used the Bible, the Gregorian Calendar and Geocentric Model, which is from/of Catholicism.

So I take my religion seriously. And all the prophecies associated with it.

So I take seriously the prophecy of Petrus Romanus by Saint Malachy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

112 Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The end.

The last Pope will usher the 2nd coming. I believe that we're in the End times.

Peter the Roman will be the Pope anointed by Saint Peter and if evil forces in the Vatican will prevent this pope to be in the Seat of Peter in Rome, Rome's destruction will come in the form of the stripping of Power of Rome and the Seat of Peter, in Spirit, will be moved somewhere among the Churches and the Messiah will come again and judge the living and the dead.

This evil forces that I told about is the one that withheld the Third Secret of Fatima to be revealed in 1960. Remember that the pope during those times was Pope John XXIII, which was a Freemason and he heralded Vatican II, which extremely revised the traditional Catholic Teachings. And the popes that followed is under the influence of these forces. From Paul VI who revised the mass, John Paul I who just reigned for 33 days, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who reigned under Vatican II. But there was the 3rd Secret of Fatima released in 2000 by Pope John Paul II, which can be correlated with the prophecy of Saint Malachy.

The 2000 third secret

J.M.J.

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fátima, on 13 May 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

"After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: 'Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944.[8][11]"

Revelation 18:21-24 says

The Finality of Babylon’s Doom

21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:

“With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.
22 The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters,
will never be heard in you again.
No worker of any trade
will ever be found in you again.
The sound of a millstone
will never be heard in you again.
23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world’s important people.
By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Babylon is Rome.

It is related to the Third Secret.

The 2000 secret could be interpreted as "The Final Pope will "die" along with other people of Faith and his bishops." This death could mean that the Seat of Peter will lose its essence in Babylon/Rome. But the sacrifices of the Martyrs to the undefiled Faith (Prevatican II) will not be in vain. For this to happen, the True Chair of Peter will be relocated to a Church somewhere.

But this 2000 secret is said to be not the secret of Fatima. This secret is what the initiators of Vatican II (Freemasons) wants to happen. This is probably what the upper echelons of Freemasonry wanted the course of the End Times to be to know if it tallies with the "Hands of God." But I believe that the "Hands of God" will reveal the true secret of Fatima, which is related to the prophecy of Saint Malachy and will fulfill the Prophecy.

Salazius
02-16-2013, 10:58 AM
http://zebuzzeo.blogspot.ca/2013/02/le-pape-demissionne-les-banksters.html

The pope stop his ministry and the banks instantaneously reconnect the Vatican to banks ...

IMO Swiss/Bilderberg will elect a Pope that is in THEIR line. They made a financial pressure, asking the demission of the pope and election of another. One of their man.

Awani
02-16-2013, 11:47 AM
Utter bullshit. They create their own hype. I personally hope the Vatican burns to the ground.

:cool:

Krisztian
02-16-2013, 04:48 PM
IMO Swiss/Bilderberg will elect a Pope that is in THEIR line.

For better or worse, take your pick, yes, this is well-documented.

Illen A. Cluf
02-16-2013, 05:26 PM
For better or worse, take your pick, yes, this is well-documented.

I agree. There is a wealth of documented information about money laundering and Mafia ties with the Vatican bank (this is not a conspiracy but a documented fact). This started decades ago under Bishop Marcincus, the Papal Banker, and involved at least one murder (Blackfriars Bridge in London England). This news is very well known in Europe, especially in Italy, but has mostly been kept from the Western News media, for whatever reason. There has been many books written about it, some TV documentaries and some news reports. Read "In God's Name"

Illen A. Cluf
02-16-2013, 05:30 PM
Here's a review of the book "In God's Name by the highly respected journalist, David A. Yallop:


This is a difficult book to digest for faithful Roman Catholics like myself. It is the story of a wonderful priest who loved the poor and wanted the church to improve the quality of life for Catholics. Pope John Paul the First was a man who would not seek to impose christian solutions on non-Christians; he was someone who was sensitive to social problems and open to dialogue; with a commitment to the search for unity; a good pastor, a good shepherd in the way that Jesus was; a man who sincerely believed that the church should not be out of date but be a relevant, nurturing factor in the lives of Catholics worldwide.

The press called him the "Smiling Pope." However, in reality Albino Luciani who wished to be called Pope John Paul the First and became the first double name in the history of the papacy was a man of enormous faith. What a shame his 33 days as pope in 1978 was the shortest stint since Pope Medici Leo XI in 1605 who only served 17 days. In all likelihood, he had the inner strength and intelligence to be the greatest pope in the history of the Vatican.

To this end, "In God's Name: An Investigation into the Murder of Pope John Paul I," by highly regarded journalist David A.Yallop is a work of monumental research and importance. The author dares to point a finger at the financial corruption within the Vatican. He names names...Michele Sindona, Roberto Calvi, Lucio Gelli, Cardinal John Patrick Cody of Chicago and Bishop Paul Casimir Marcinkus in Vatican City all coducted illegal activities. And Albino Luciani was determined to put an end to it.

This well-written book is difficult to put down. Quite naturally it is officially condemned by the oligarchy in the Vatican. However, I think it is important for all interested in the pursuit of truth to read this compelling book and drawn one's own conclusion. The evidence is hard to ignore. The conclusion is based on facts. It is truly hard to imagine but I am know convinced that Pope John Paul the First was murdered because he dared to promote positive change and rid the Vatican of corrupt banking practices. Highly recommended.

Illen A. Cluf
02-16-2013, 05:36 PM
Here's a Wikipedia entry on Bishop Marcinkus, including his alleged crimes as Papal Banker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus

Krisztian
02-16-2013, 06:52 PM
If you scroll down on this newspage http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html#axzz2KhIWL7wB you'll notice that the cardinals, dressed in red outfits (also important symbol), are wearing what in Freemasonry one calls "cable-tow". That, one wears when initiated, passed, and raised to third degree, death of Hiram. Why would a cardinal of the Catholic Church - I ask - be wearing that very significant (and precise) piece of symbol, the same way (tow on the back) like Masonic initiates?

If someone can kindly insert photo even better, I can't.

Andro
02-16-2013, 08:01 PM
If someone can kindly insert photo even better, I can't.

I assume this is what you mean:

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/MasonCadinals_zpsc31a9586.jpg

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=697&d=1361044673

Andro
02-16-2013, 08:30 PM
Why would a cardinal of the Catholic Church - I ask - be wearing that very significant (and precise) piece of symbol, the same way (tow on the back) like Masonic initiates?

Isn't the answer rather self-evident?

Krisztian
02-16-2013, 09:19 PM
Isn't the answer rather self-evident?

Yes, it was a figure of speech as they say.

Krisztian
02-16-2013, 09:21 PM
Found at http://itccs.org/2013/02/14/pope-benedict-to-seek-immunity-and-protection-from-italian-president-giorgio-napolitano-on-february-23/

Pope Benedict to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23
Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):

Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.

Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.

In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.

The ITCCS letter states, in part,

"I need not remind you, Mr. President, that under international law and treaties that have been ratified by Italy, you and your government are forbidden from granting such protection to those like Joseph Ratzinger who have aided and abetted criminal actions, such as ordering Bishops and Cardinals in America and elsewhere to protect known child rapists among their clergy.

"Your obligation to the Vatican through the Lateran Treaty does not negate or nullify the requirements of these higher moral and international laws; nor does it require that you give any protection or immunity to a single individual like Joseph Ratzinger, especially after he has left his papal office."

A copy of the complete text of the ITCCS letter follows.

In response to the documented crimes of child torture, trafficking and genocide linked to Pope Benedict and Vatican officials, the ITCCS will be sponsoring a series of ongoing protests and occupations of Roman Catholic churches and offices through its affiliates around the world beginning in Easter week, March 24-31, 2013, and continuing indefinitely.

These actions will accompany the legal efforts to bring Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials to trial for their proven complicity in crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

The Easter Reclamation Campaign will seize church property and assets to prevent their use by child raping priests, who are protected under Catholic canon law. Citizens have this right to defend their communities and children when the authorities refuse to do so, under international law.

Rev. Kevin Annett and an official delegation from the ITCCS Central Office will also be convening a formal human rights inquiry in Rome commencing the week of May 13, 2013, to consider further charges against the Vatican and its new Pope for crimes against humanity and obstruction of justice.

Rev. Annett and his delegation will be working with organizations across Italy in this investigation. In 2009 and 2010, he held rallies outside the Vatican and met with media and human rights groups across Italy to charge the Vatican with the death of more than 50,000 aboriginal children in Canada.

glenerson
03-01-2013, 07:05 AM
Interesting Twist:

After the Glory of the Olives, a pretender to the Peter The Roman title is now being set up by the Vatican II forces to concur with the name in the prophecy..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcisio_Bertone

One of his middle name is Pietro = meaning Peter
He's Italian and from Romano_Cavanese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romano_Canavese

he serves temporarily as the administrator of the Holy See and acting head of state of the Vatican City State.

He is technically the acting pope for the pope is also the head of state of vatican city.



So the forces in Vatican is trying to install their version of Peter the Roman to imply that the absence of the pope atm is the day of tribulation.

So the Peter the Roman prerequisite is currently in effect.

For the real prophecy is

"and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people."

Rome will lose the seat of Peter in essence and Jesus will judge the world.

Or it could be that a non European pope will seat in Rome, thus the purity in the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and still Jesus will judge the world.

Awani
03-01-2013, 11:53 AM
Who the pope will be will have as much to do with any second coming, god or prophecy as the dump I took this morning. If there is a hell then popes always go there. That is why he stepped down so he can repent in a monestary. God's man on Earth, ha... seriously ridicilous.

The Vatican is just a corporation.

Just my humble opinion, apart from the corporation bit which is fact.

:cool:

theFool
03-01-2013, 03:05 PM
"and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people."

There are many cities claimed to be built on seven hills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_claimed_to_be_built_on_seven_hills) ; Jerusalem one of them also. It would fit better than Rome as the city which will trigger the "end of times" by its destruction.

zoas23
03-01-2013, 05:09 PM
I'm very skeptic about prophecies (the 2012 end of the world prophecy was a fiasco, though I didn't expect it to be real).

Ratzinger was probably one of the dumbest Popes the Vatican ever had.
I think they wanted a new John Paul II (someone who was good as a public speaker, who anjoyed travelling and organizing big events... who could organize a gig at the Vatican with Bob Dylan.... and mostly manage to make the Roman Church look "cool")... and with Benedict XVI, what they got is a Pope that mostly decided that it was cool to spend several months locked into his room trying to figure out if the Devil has horns or not... and if there's a Purgatory or not.

It is not surprising that they wanted him to quit, not because of his crimes, not because of child abuse... but simply because he's an idiot.

Andro
03-01-2013, 05:48 PM
I have another theory :)

What if it's a Corporate Empire Takeover attempt?

Today, we have two major Empire Corporations. The British Crown and the Vatican.

One is a territorial/technological/financial Empire/Corporation (the British Crown is estimated at trillions, if not more zeroes), and it (covertly) owns or controls vast areas of the planet + countless assets: money, property, gold/jewels, castles, land, people (through 'citizenship', a.k.a. laws/taxes/work-slaving), etc...

The other is a religious Empire/Corporation, but along with people's religious allegiance as assets, it also possesses vast resources/treasures.

It used to be ONE Empire (at some point Roman, and later Roman-Catholic, after introducing centralized religious control to pre-existing military control) that never actually perished, only changed format(s)...

But maybe a 'falling out' occurred and it was split into TWO major factions, let's say with Henri the 8th breaking away from the Vatican, and becoming head of the church AND of the state. (Anglican church)

As religion is gradually losing its pseudo-spiritual grip and the world is becoming increasingly body & consumer-oriented, the British Empire is possibly seizing the opportunity via the EU puppet entity to initiate a 'hostile' corporate takeover and assimilate the assets of the 'other' (rivaling) empire/faction. It may need to supply a pope of its own (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3404-End-Days-The-Saint-Malachy-Prophecy&p=27577#post27577) (for the transition), but this would also gradually fade, once control is switched back to military/surveillance/mind control/consumerism/technology/etc... However, some pseudo-spiritual religious lip service will probably still be given (so as not to leave a vacuum for those who still need it), but also not for too long. When the transition is complete and the Empire/Corporation is whole (consolidated) again, it won't be needed anymore (hence, 'The Last Pope').

Or at least that's what 'they' would like :)
_________________________________

How do you like my Conspiracy Theory? I just made it up...

:cool:

Krisztian
03-01-2013, 05:59 PM
I'm very skeptic about prophecies (the 2012 end of the world prophecy was a fiasco, though I didn't expect it to be real).

Prophesy in general, predictions of the future, always seem to be more intense, and oftentimes dark, "larger than life", compared to the actual experience of that event. The prophesy itself, whatever it is, get sort of "filled in" by the imagination of those who're believers. So, it, the prophesy, becomes more than it actually is.


Ratzinger was probably one of the dumbest Popes the Vatican ever had.

He was described as a micromanager, by those close to him. Which would fit the profile of a man raised in Hitler Youth. Control is a key element in these programs.

glenerson
03-01-2013, 09:27 PM
I'm very skeptic about prophecies (the 2012 end of the world prophecy was a fiasco, though I didn't expect it to be real).

Ratzinger was probably one of the dumbest Popes the Vatican ever had.
I think they wanted a new John Paul II (someone who was good as a public speaker, who anjoyed travelling and organizing big events... who could organize a gig at the Vatican with Bob Dylan.... and mostly manage to make the Roman Church look "cool")... and with Benedict XVI, what they got is a Pope that mostly decided that it was cool to spend several months locked into his room trying to figure out if the Devil has horns or not... and if there's a Purgatory or not.

It is not surprising that they wanted him to quit, not because of his crimes, not because of child abuse... but simply because he's an idiot.

The prophecy is associated with an Irish Roman Catholic Saint. It is about the leader of the Catholic Church. Gregorian calendar, which is of the Catholic church, is pretty much the standard calendar of the world. Connect the dots. (Clues: Prophecies involves prophets and dates/prediction)

HappyPotter
03-05-2013, 04:15 PM
This is all I have to say about the next Pope... www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8siC5hBjnY

horticult
03-05-2013, 05:19 PM
sancta simplicitas

3+O(
03-07-2013, 07:41 PM
Utter bullshit. They create their own hype. I personally hope the Vatican burns to the ground.

:cool:

:(

But think of the library!

glenerson
03-28-2013, 06:56 PM
Saint Malachy's Prophecy and Pope Francis

Saint Malachy's prophecy still stands

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church (Resignation of Pope Benedict XVI), there will sit. Peter the Roman (Cardinal Tarcisio Pietro Bertone from Romano Cavanese), who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished (When the Final Pope is elected), the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.


Notice that Pope Francis didn't choose to put I or the First in his name, unlike Pope John Paul I, which had the First when he was announced as Pope.

Pope Francis not putting a number to his name implies that he is not expecting a successor to potentially use his name, that there will be no Pope Francis II aka no more popes following him. Thus he is the final and last Pope.

Peter the Roman is not the Final Pope but a figure that will sit (and sat via Cardinal Bertone) before the final Pope, and that is Francis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcisio_Bertone
"As Cardinal Camerlengo, following Benedict XVI's resignation on 28 February 2013 and until the election of Pope Francis, he served temporarily as the administrator of the Holy See and acting head of state of the Vatican City State"

"Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone, S.D.B. (born 2 December 1934)"
"Bertone was born in Romano Canavese, Piedmont, the fifth of eight children."


So now that Peter the Roman sat, guided the sheep in a short week of tribulation and now finished his job and passed the seat to Francis, the next part of the prophecy is the destruction of the city of seven hills and the judgment day.