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glenerson
03-31-2013, 05:27 AM
All we can see on the internet about the alchemical platinum is its symbol.

http://0.tqn.com/d/chemistry/1/G/H/1/platinum.gif

There is almost no mention of the alchemical platinum. It seems that no one is talking about it. Maybe its a closed guarded secret. Maybe no one wants to talk about the highest form of transmutation. Sort of a taboo.

I can't blame the secretive. Because it's so grand that it is meant not to be shared.

But not for long.

But again, all we have is its symbol.

The amalgamation of Gold and Silver: Platinum

So this text attempts to explain how to properly amalgamate alchemical Gold
And Silver..


So we have here a diagram.

http://i.imgur.com/3gViSb1.png

The figure is the Dorian mode when the 12 notes of music is cross plotted with the Zodiac.

D - C - A# - A - G - F - D#
3 -- 1-- 11-- 10-- 8-- 6--4

3rd sign - gemini (mutable)

1st sign - aries (cardinal)

11th sign - aquarius (fixed)

10th sign - capricorn (cardinal)

8th sign - scorpio (fixed)

6th sign - virgo (mutable)

4th sign - cancer (cardinal)


For our purposes, the planets of these detriment signs is to be obtained for it is appropriate to identify the 7 phases of our transmutation process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detriment_%28astrology%29


Capricorn = Moon
Scorpio = Venus
Virgo = Jupiter
Cancer = Saturn
Gemini = Jupiter
Aries = Venus
Aquarius = Sun

Notice a very beautiful pattern? ^_^

Before we carry on, we should verify the pattern by taking the Domicile of the planets. And to get this, we can just do a step forward (sharping the dorian scale). Notice the diagram below..

http://i.imgur.com/zoindeI.png

Cancer = Moon
Taurus = Venus
Pisces = Jupiter
Aquarius = Saturn
Sagittarius = Jupiter
Libra = Venus
Leo = Sun


So yeah. What we have is this in both lists..

Moon - Venus - Jupiter - Saturn - Jupiter - Venus - Sun

So the Moon and the Sun converges to the Center to amalgamate.

And our Center is Saturn.

Isn't that Lead?

Sure, for this is the Lead that is Platinum

So the process will be

Moon -> Venus -> Jupiter -> Saturn <- Jupiter <- Venus <- Sun

Silver -> Copper -> Tin-> pseudo-Lead or Platinum <- Tin <- Copper <- Gold

So Luna and Sol, while of different and opposite elements, will undergo the similar phases to converge and amalgamate as pseudo-Lead which is Platinum. Same phase, different direction.

So that's it. The closed guarded secret is now out in the open.

The Story of Platinum. The Marriage of Bride and Bridegroom. The True Union of the Moon and the Sun. The Alchemical Marriage.

Reference: http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1761-Theoretical-Alchemy-The-Golden-Ratio-Of-Jabir

Praise the Lord, Alleluia.

Your Brother,

glenerson

Salazius
03-31-2013, 10:35 AM
In some alchemical texts, you can find things such as "a silver that is not attacked by aqua fortis". This is platinum. But at that time they were not aware of it.
By the way it is possible that the White Stone gives Platinum instead of silver in certain cases.

glenerson
03-31-2013, 01:33 PM
In some alchemical texts, you can find things such as "a silver that is not attacked by aqua fortis". This is platinum. But at that time they were not aware of it.
By the way it is possible that the White Stone gives Platinum instead of silver in certain cases.

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3395-Ophir-Gold&p=27515#post27515

Mercury is the silver that aqua fortis won't dissolve because both are in the same liquid phase.

And notice below that from Lead to Mercury is the correct path to amalgamation.

This is the correct way to transmute Lead to Gold

Lead-> Copper -> Tin -> Mercury -> Iron -> Silver -> Gold

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3389-Transmutation-From-Lead-To-Gold-%28SOLVED%29

To be Platinum, Both Silver and Gold go to Copper->Tin to arrive at the center and amalgamate.


The Highest Triune is Gold (Light), Silver (Maiden) and Platinum (Union). Higher than Jabir's Sulfur, Mercury and Gold(Salt).

glenerson
03-31-2013, 02:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/cqCh8RR.png

Notice that Pisces and Scorpio, which is Sol (Light) and Luna(Maiden) respectively converge to Cancer, which is Platinum (Union).

And Cancer = June = EMERALD birthstone.

Emerald tablet tells us that what is above is also what is below

The Operation of the Sun and the Moon is the same when arriving to the center, Saturn. That is going through Venus and Jupiter, in that order.

Moon -> Venus -> Jupiter -> Saturn <- Jupiter <- Venus <- Sun

Silver -> Copper -> Tin-> pseudo-Lead or Platinum <- Tin <- Copper <- Gold

What is the left is also the right. As above so below. Gold and Silver amalgamating to be Platinum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3C_MxGUQ8

http://i.imgur.com/jgukXrt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tppoDQu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/buYFDTH.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr3dA9LWL3Y

Tell me what you want to hear
Something that were like those years
I'm sick of all the insincere
So I'm gonna give all my secrets away

Amen.

Happy Easter 2013!

glenerson
03-31-2013, 03:25 PM
To Translate it to Math



3/3 -> 2/3 -> 1/3 -> 0 <- 1/3 <- 2/3 <- 3/3



1 -> 2/3 -> 1/3 -> 0 <- 1/3 <- 2/3 <- 1

Three parts. Thrice Great. Trismegistus.

Seth-Ra
03-31-2013, 05:57 PM
Notice that Pisces and Scorpio, which is Sol (Light) and Luna(Maiden) respectively converge to Cancer, which is Platinum (Union).

And Cancer = June = EMERALD birthstone.


As a proud May Gemini, Emerald is May's birthstone (my birthstone), not June's.

June has 3 Birthstones that can count for it: pearl, Alexandrite, and Moonstone.

Plenty of sites to verify this, but for a source reference:

May:

http://www.americangemsociety.org/may-birthstone

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=May+birthstone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

June:

http://www.americangemsociety.org/june-birthstones

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=June+birthstone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8



As Above, So Below indeed.

~Seth-Ra

glenerson
03-31-2013, 06:59 PM
Hello Seth-Ra

I based the June = Emerald according to how John the Patmos of Revelation 21 arranged the Birthstones

Revelation 21: 19-21

19 The foundations of the wall of the city are adorned with every jewel; the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates are twelve pearls, each of the gates is a single pearl, and the street of the city is pure gold, transparent as glass.

Fourth month is June, Fourth Sign is Cancer, Fourth Stone is Emerald.

Better trust the oldest source, no?

The Bible is the most reputable source, IMO.

The later versions is a corruption, prolly was done for the secrets not be unlocked properly. But the ones responsible for it failed imo.

Again, The One in the Bible is the correct one.

Also, from wiki, to verify the one from Revelation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthstones

Zodiacal

Early civilizations, such as those in India and Babylon, have attributed gemstones with magical properties and especially to their relationship with the signs of the zodiac. Over time, astrologers assigned gems of certain colors to the twelve signs of the zodiac to help people influence the planets in their favor.
Tropical zodiac
Sign Dates[25] Stone[26]
Aquarius 21 January – 21 February garnet
Pisces 22 February – 21 March amethyst
Aries 22 March – 20 April bloodstone
Taurus 21 April – 21 May sapphire
Gemini 22 May – 21 June agate
Cancer 21 June – 22 July emerald
Leo 23 July – 22 August onyx
Virgo 23 August – 22 September carnelian
Libra 23 September – 23 October peridot
Scorpio 24 October – 21 November beryl
Sagittarius 22 November – 21 December topaz
Capricorn 22 December – 21 January ruby


26 ^ Kunz (1913)The curious lore of precious stones. Lippincott. , pp. 345–347


Thanks, Kunz.
Regards,

Seth-Ra
03-31-2013, 07:18 PM
I dont know how youre counting months, but April is the 4th month...

According to the Gregorian (1912) and the Hindu (1879) Emerald is May's.


Early civilizations in both India and Babylon as far back as 3000 BC attributed rare and beautiful gemstones with magical properties.


Josephus in his writings, proclaimed a connection between the twelve stones in the High Priest's breastplate, the twelve months of the year and the twelve signs of the zodiac. It was not until the 18th century in Poland, that there is any documentation of people actually wearing birth stones or zodiac stones. People wore or carried gem stones at first, for their therapeutic and medicinal properties. These properties were then associated with characteristics of the zodiac, making them talismans for those born in the same months.

At the very least, the High Priest breastplate predates John's revelation of the City Wall.


Plus, Wiki is not known for its accuracy - other sources combined usually confirm or deny what people type in that particular database. ;)




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
03-31-2013, 07:23 PM
I counted the month based on the order of the birthstone

Translated from Revelations 21, Corresponding with the order of the Birthstone of John the Patmos and following the cardinal order of the Zodiac

Zodiac = Gemstones = Months


1.) Aries March jasper
2.) Taurus April sapphire
3.) Gemini May agate
4.) Cancer June emerald
5.) Leo July onyx
6.) Virgo August carnelian
7.) Libra September chrysolite
8.) Scorpio October beryl
9.) Sagittarius November topaz
10.) Capricorn December chrysoprase
11.) Aquarius January jacinth
12.) Pisces February amethyst

There is the reason why September - December are called as such. Septa=7th, Octo=8th, Nona = 9th, Deca=10th.

So i hope it's clear for you. For it's clear as the Sun and Moon combined for me.

I attached the footnote where you can find the actual source of the part from the wiki. It tallies with the oldest or if not oldest, the reputable source, the Bible.

glenerson
03-31-2013, 08:01 PM
Curious Lore of Precious Stone by George Kunz (1913) page 345-347

http://archive.org/stream/curiousloreofpre028009mbp#page/n451/mode/2up

Tallies with Revelation 21:19-21 with regards to the issue of Emerald.

glenerson
03-31-2013, 08:04 PM
Vulgate Bible

Revelation 21:19

[19] Et fundamenta muri civitatis omni lapide pretioso ornata. Fundamentum primum, jaspis: secundum, sapphirus: tertium, calcedonius: quartum, smaragdus:

Seth-Ra
03-31-2013, 09:53 PM
Josephus and the rest based it off the High Priest's Breastplate, which predates John's revelation. The Hindu tradition agrees.
March may have started it in the Roman calendar to start, but with the implementation of January and February, it lines up with the Lunar Calendar proper.


January (in Latin, Ianuarius) is named after Janus, the god of the doorway; the name has its beginnings in Roman mythology, coming from the Latin word for door (ianua) since January is the door to the year.

Traditionally, the original Roman calendar consisted of 10 months totaling 304 days, winter being considered a month-less period. Around 713 BC, the semi-mythical successor of Romulus, King Numa Pompilius, is supposed to have added the months of January and February, allowing the calendar to equal a standard lunar year (354 days).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January


Not that any of this has to do with actual transmutation to platinum...

Androg said this in another thread, and later quoted it in yet another, and i personally feel the words apply to this sort of thing...


It's like polls/statistics - you can arrive at different results by the way you formulate (manipulate) the questions.

The way this is formulated already contains an 'a priori' assumption...

(edited for relevance to this - thus my view/words/ pre/re-worded).

IMO.




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
03-31-2013, 10:14 PM
Josephus and the rest based it off the High Priest's Breastplate, which predates John's revelation. The Hindu tradition agrees.
March may have started it in the Roman calendar to start, but with the implementation of January and February, it lines up with the Lunar Calendar proper.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January


Not that any of this has to do with actual transmutation to platinum...

Androg said this in another thread, and later quoted it in yet another, and i personally feel the words apply to this sort of thing...



(edited for relevance to this - thus my view/words/ pre/re-worded).

IMO.




~Seth-Ra


Do you wonder why the maker of the Gregorian Calendar, the Catholic Church, affixed 4 cardinal numbers to the 4 months? Looks like to me a placeholder. September = 7th. October = 8th. November = 9th. December = 10th? September tallies with the 7th Zodiac and the 7th Birthstone. (dot dot dot) and December tallies with the 10th Zodiac and the 10th Birthstone. Perfectly tallies with the table that i showed you.

Just ask yourself this. Why does February tally with the 12th sign of the Zodiac (Pisces) and the 12th birthstone mentioned by John the Patmos amethyst? Probably because in essence, February is the 12th.

The days are still 365 days when January and February are the 11th and 12th months respectively. So nothings changed in substance.

I just made it consistent with the Zodiacal Order, which is consistent with the Birthstone order by John the Patmos

About the birthstone

And remember that what Josephus was referring to was prior to the Ministry of Jesus. The birthstones being narrated in Exodus has no Order.

Revelation was specific with the order. And most of the birthstones tally with the birthstone months in modern rendition just like beryl = October =8th, jasper = March = First, Amethyst = February = 12th, etc etc.. Things just have to be resolved to be consistent with the traditional order. And the fact that Revelation was created when the Catholic Church was already in existence and yes was included in the Bible (Revelation is the most cryptic book in the Bible so it makes you wonder or think that the Church is playing, "Let's see if anyone can solve this puzzle.") and Gregorian Calendar which was aligned with the Zodiac was created by the same one, the Catholic Church. And John the Patmos referred to it as "NEW" Jerusalem.

I must be consistent. For I base all my research and discoveries within the things related to the Catholic Church.

Yes, The Gregorian calendar being created to tally with the Zodiac by the Catholic Church, and Revelation 21:19-21 Birthstones being written when the Catholic Church was already up and running, again, I must be consistent. I would think that there are alchemists/theurgists/occultists within the Church way way back and prolly there are until now, waiting for things to manifest, solved. waiting for the puzzles to be cracked.

Where do you add the later months if there are already 10 months in existence? You append it. or you can prepend it, but take note that it is the 11th and 12th month. so its still the same. Just take note of the placeholder, Septa- to Deca- to be consistent.


To finish up, I just go with this verse..

"It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8

Seth-Ra
04-01-2013, 12:25 AM
Funny enough is that John was speaking on the New Jerusalem - not birthstones. :) Where do the pearls fit in? The streets of gold so pure they are like glass? Tis all in the same passage.

Tis also why i keep referencing the Hindu text that agrees with me, since it was actually speaking on birthstones, and predates the 1913 book you reference, and that book is a year later than the 1912 establishment of birthstones still in use (with a few modifications over the years - but not a changing of emerald).

Side note: funny that Josephus work is shrugged off, cause his reference was before Jesus' ministry, yet the verse you "just go with" is also before his ministry, but somehow is not irrelevant, even though Jesus also never spoke on this subject matter, so his ministry has nothing to do with it either. So much for consistency. ;)

In any event, im done. :)





~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-01-2013, 12:53 AM
Funny enough is that John was speaking on the New Jerusalem - not birthstones. :) Where do the pearls fit in? The streets of gold so pure they are like glass? Tis all in the same passage.

Tis also why i keep referencing the Hindu text that agrees with me, since it was actually speaking on birthstones, and predates the 1913 book you reference, and that book is a year later than the 1912 establishment of birthstones still in use (with a few modifications over the years - but not a changing of emerald).

Side note: funny that Josephus work is shrugged off, cause his reference was before Jesus' ministry, yet the verse you "just go with" is also before his ministry, but somehow is not irrelevant, even though Jesus also never spoke on this subject matter, so his ministry has nothing to do with it either. So much for consistency. ;)

In any event, im done. :)





~Seth-Ra


I don't know if you're familiar with alchemist-speak, but im pretty sure John the Patmos was doing the same thing as alchemists do. As the alchemist refer to Sun as Gold and Iron as Mars, prolly he was wording what he was trying to say as New Jerusalem, no?

New Jerusalem could mean anything. For me it's a very grand description of the Philosopher's Stone, for it led me to realize the path to Platinum.

For you, i don't know. Maybe you took it literally? That's not so alchemist. It could be that the 12 apostles are the 12 zodiac, the birthstones as the birthstones and the 12 pearls is the 12 months or the 12 musical notes.

"There will be no sun or moon" could be that the Moon and Sun is resolve to One(in my case, Platinum) and they don't exist anymore but the amalgamation of God and the Lamb or the Bride and Lamb or the Light and the Maiden. (You could read my previous posts which led me to this.)

Yeah why refer to Hindu version where December is Topaz, July is sapphire. i think that's very off. I don't think Hindus worked with the Gregorian Calendar.

The 1913 book was only published in 1913 and is consistent with Revelation, which according to the scholars was written in 95 AD, with some believing it dates from around 70 AD, which is based on an order that predates the Catholic Church itself,

....which is the breastplate of Aaron.

Here's the Hebrew Birthstone list

http://www.bernardine.com/birthstone/hebrew.htm

June = Emerald. Very consistent with Revelation, and the 1913 book by Kunz.

What i meant was that the Josephus' reference to the Breastplate predates the Church, which is the creator of the Gregorian Calendar and Revelation. When i said that there was no Order in Exodus, i said it for there was no explicit numbering. Only the Jews know. But thanks to this link that I'm corrected and still remain correct and vindicated with what I said.

That the Hebrew Birthstone corresponds to the Revelation order when it comes to emerald.

Again,

http://www.bernardine.com/birthstone/hebrew.htm

So it's most likely that Josephus, a Jew, saw the emerald as the 4th stone = 4th sign = 4th month

Regards

Kiorionis
04-01-2013, 01:19 AM
Yeah why refer to Hindu version where December is Topaz, July is sapphire. i think that's very off. I don't think Hindus worked with the Gregorian Calendar.

correct. they (the jyotish astrologers I've studied) base their use of gemstones on planetary correspondences.
Months of the year, or the month someone was born in, have very little to do with it.
They use them as remedial measures for countering an individual's negative planetary influences and/or strengthening positive influences.
The most often used gemstone correspondences are:

Moon :: Pearl
Mercury :: Emerald
Venus :: Diamond
Sun :: Ruby
Mars :: Red Coral
Jupiter :: Yellow Sapphire
Saturn :: Blue Sapphire
Rahu :: Hessonite Garnet
Ketu :: Cat's Eye [also known as Tiger's Eye]

(but any semiprecious stone which resonates with a particular planet may suffice in place of the precious ones listed above)

glenerson
04-01-2013, 02:06 AM
http://i.imgur.com/BhweYX1.png

My interpretation of the New Jerusalem of John the Patmos that lead me to the Original Post.

Regards,

Seth-Ra
04-01-2013, 05:22 PM
correct. they (the jyotish astrologers I've studied) base their use of gemstones on planetary correspondences.
Months of the year, or the month someone was born in, have very little to do with it.
They use them as remedial measures for countering an individual's negative planetary influences and/or strengthening positive influences.
The most often used gemstone correspondences are:

Moon :: Pearl
Mercury :: Emerald
Venus :: Diamond
Sun :: Ruby
Mars :: Red Coral
Jupiter :: Yellow Sapphire
Saturn :: Blue Sapphire
Rahu :: Hessonite Garnet
Ketu :: Cat's Eye [also known as Tiger's Eye]

(but any semiprecious stone which resonates with a particular planet may suffice in place of the precious ones listed above)

(Bold added for emphasis.)

Exactly.


These are traditional stones of English-speaking societies. Tiffany & Co. published these poems "of unknown author" for the first time in a pamphlet in 1870.

...

Who first beholds the light of day
In spring's sweet flowery month of May
And wears an emerald all her life
Shall be a loved and happy wife.

Who comes with summer to this earth,
And owes to June her hour of birth,
With ring of agate on her hand
Can health, wealth, and long life command.


*shrugs and walks away, still questioning the relevance to platinum...*

:rolleyes:





~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-01-2013, 05:35 PM
http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/154/4b417484b08f41a7b6677def4fab7dc6/l.png

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthstones#Zodiacal)


*shrugs and walks away, still questioning the relevance to platinum...*

:rolleyes:





~Seth-Ra


This page was last modified on 1 April 2013 at 17:08.

Really?

Coz the past modification says otherwise

prolly you edited that. notice the footnote 26.

the footnote says otherwise

26 ^ Kunz (1913), pp. 345–347

Curious Lore of Precious Stone by George Kunz (1913) page 345-347

http://archive.org/stream/curiousloreofpre028009mbp#page/n451/mode/2up

Tallies with Revelation 21:19-21 with regards to the issue of Emerald.

Check the link. Emerald = June. There's no pearl in the Zodiacal Birthstone.

Don't trust the wiki that is modified in April 1 when the date today is April 1. KTHX.

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Seth-Ra
04-01-2013, 06:21 PM
I simply provided a picture of the thing up there as i was googling and reading today (following up on/with Kiorionis' post).
If someone changed it, im not privy to it (maybe someone thought it would be funny? lol i dont know, it is April 1st. ;)).
I dont type code or play with wiki (though i did say its not too reliable due to such). I can do quotes, italics, bold, and maybe color on here cause ive looked at it enough from hitting the buttons. :p
But, for the sake of appeasement, i removed it from my post. :)



*... still questioning the relevance to platinum...*


Still didnt address this (not the first time either)...




~Seth-Ra

LostGnosticOccultum
04-02-2013, 08:02 AM
Mercury is the silver that aqua fortis won't dissolve because both are in the same liquid phase.

Hey Glenerson, Salazius IS right here. Its not mercury otherwise they would say so they don't normally beat around the bush with mercury...


In some alchemical texts, you can find things such as "a silver that is not attacked by aqua fortis". This is platinum. But at that time they were not aware of it.
By the way it is possible that the White Stone gives Platinum instead of silver in certain cases.

Thanks for pointing this out Salazius :)

Oh and Glenerson, maybe you can show us some actual labwork instead of talking about it :p

Seth-Ra
04-02-2013, 09:01 PM
Oh and Glenerson, maybe you can show us some actual labwork instead of talking about it :p


Thank. You.

Also, on a somewhat related note, with all this very liberal interpretation of scripture...


Fuck Jesus!

:cool:




~Seth-Ra

Awani
04-03-2013, 12:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglQ6coUBw4&feature=youtu.be

:cool:

Seth-Ra
04-03-2013, 01:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglQ6coUBw4&feature=youtu.be

:cool:

LOLOLOL!!!
Nice Dev, I just seen that episode last night. XD




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-04-2013, 08:40 PM
Hey Glenerson, Salazius IS right here. Its not mercury otherwise they would say so they don't normally beat around the bush with mercury...



Thanks for pointing this out Salazius :)

Oh and Glenerson, maybe you can show us some actual labwork instead of talking about it :p

http://0.tqn.com/d/chemistry/1/G/H/1/platinum.gif

Platinum alchemical symbol

Destination has already been set by the alchemists before you.

Lab work? Why do still these "pseudo" alchemists cannot properly transmute lead to gold in the "lab"?


LOL.

LostGnosticOccultum
04-05-2013, 03:40 PM
Lab work? Why do still these "pseudo" alchemists cannot properly transmute lead to gold in the "lab"?

I'm sorry but have you ever done lab work let alone preform a true transmutation? Many of us here have transmitted/tinged one metal into another and create medicines out of metals and plants. If you don't preform lab work you're not a true alchemists. [PERIOD.]

glenerson
04-05-2013, 05:17 PM
I'm sorry but have you ever done lab work let alone preform a true transmutation? Many of us here have transmitted/tinged one metal into another and create medicines out of metals and plants. If you don't preform lab work you're not a true alchemists. [PERIOD.]

I was majoring in Chemical Engineering before I shifted to Computer science so I assure you that I've done my part of Lab Work. Kthnx.

glenerson
04-05-2013, 05:18 PM
So yeah. ^_^

LostGnosticOccultum
04-05-2013, 05:58 PM
I was majoring in Chemical Engineering before I shifted to Computer science so I assure you that I've done my part of Lab Work. Kthnx.
Chemistry us not Alchemy ^.~

glenerson
04-05-2013, 07:21 PM
Chemistry us not Alchemy ^.~

Chemistry is Lab Work. Chemistry is 50% of Alchemy.

And ever heard of "Spiritual Alchemy"? That's the other 50%.

In defense of Chemistry, Modern Chemistry successfully transmuted lead to gold while Alchemy that you speak of is still trying. Maybe your brand of alchemy is incomplete.

But in defense of Alchemy, i believe alchemy is 50:50 and actual veiled chemistry that channels Something, which is manifested to the adept.

LostGnosticOccultum
04-05-2013, 09:57 PM
In defense of Chemistry, Modern Chemistry successfully transmuted lead to gold while Alchemy that you speak of is still trying. Maybe your brand of alchemy is incomplete.
Haha you make me laugh, CHEMISTRY hasn't been able to preform transmutation however physics has, and neither can do it from lead to gold but mercury to gold instead.

And you just insulted every TRUE alchemists here because a large number of us have accomplished transmutation...

glenerson
04-05-2013, 11:39 PM
Haha you make me laugh, CHEMISTRY hasn't been able to preform transmutation however physics has, and neither can do it from lead to gold but mercury to gold instead.

And you just insulted every TRUE alchemists here because a large number of us have accomplished transmutation...

Nuclear physics is basically nuclear chemistry. ^_^

Transmutation spiritually yes. Physically, i doubt it. ^_^ But i don't know, maybe it was done. But of course who would want the secrets to fall on the wrong ears?

Please link me your transmutation, if you don't mind.

Seth-Ra
04-06-2013, 12:07 AM
I was majoring in Chemical Engineering before I shifted to Computer science so I assure you that I've done my part of Lab Work. Kthnx.

Modern chemistry is behind Alchemy, its work is not remotely ours. Chemistry only moves things around - arrangement, and can be useful, like other sub-groups that deal with arrangement, such as sacred geometry or feng shui. Though both of the latter ones answer more as to the how/why than what chemistry does.


Chemistry is Lab Work. Chemistry is 50% of Alchemy.

And ever heard of "Spiritual Alchemy"? That's the other 50%.

The two (physical alchemy/spiritual alchemy - not base-chemistry and mediocre religion) are actually hand-in-hand/same. Separating them leads to the flawed logics and fighting between them (base-chemistry and mediocre-religion). They (internal/external Alchemy) must be married. You can understand that there are Spiritual Works at play with the Physical ones, note them separately, meditate on them separately etc - whatever it takes to wrap your head around it, but they are together and must be united within one's mind/spirit or its going to cause problems down the road.


In defense of Chemistry, Modern Chemistry successfully transmuted lead to gold while Alchemy that you speak of is still trying. Maybe your brand of alchemy is incomplete.

No, no it didnt. Nuclear physics did, with a metric-shit-ton of equipment and power. Our Alchemy does not require such costly, and dangerous amounts of materials and space. Our Art is not incomplete, and is the only thing unscathed by time - for even the pyramids are withered, but Truth remains - Alchemy proper is maintained, practiced, and discussed - hence we are on an Alchemy forum. Not a religious "my preacher says this..." or "I read and believe this..." or a chemistry/physics based "this publication says this..." or "that is simply this formula..." - no.
There is a bit of a mixture of this here and there, but it is the old writings, drawings, sayings, reports, processes - that which has endured time, and stumps both of the above mentioned groups. That which harmonizes their stances and surpasses them; that which Is.


But in defense of Alchemy, i believe alchemy is 50:50 and actual veiled chemistry that channels Something, which is manifested to the adept.

Alchemy needs no defense - for it Is.



And you just insulted every TRUE alchemists here because a large number of us have accomplished transmutation...

lol while i cant speak for the others - im not offended. I find it humorous, though uninformed. :)

To be fair, its hard to inform someone that is only interested in making thread after thread after thread, preaching the gospel according to duality, and the saving grace of non-existance. :p :rolleyes:

Glenerson, aside from preaching the same message (which myself, and other senior members have addressed in multiple threads, showing the folly of duality from the Whole/Unity view, to no avail to you), why are you here? When one thread's discussion gets to deep for you to maintain your flawed argument, you go make a new one, and the circle starts again. Are you actually trying to preach to Alchemists like a guy on the street-corner telling us the end is coming? LOL

Ive said this else where, and i'll say it again: Alchemists are seekers of Truth.
We dont give a damn about dogma, or what a guy in a robe or hat says, or someone in a lab coat with his head in a book. We take in the information, and experience Life - material and spiritual, and by that Living Initiation, see, commune, and work, solo and together.

Even your intro-thread was of a same nature as the one's that followed; preaching (flawed) theory as fact.
You keep saying youre planting seeds... If youre looking for cult-followers for your view of gnosticism, that you call alchemy, then you've barked up the wrong tree, and should follow suit with some previous posts of yours - where you were making an exit. :)

For the record, im not telling you to leave - im suggesting if the above applies to you, it would be a good idea, OR, to cease pushing the agenda onto the board members, and continue to hang around. :)

Take it as you will.




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-06-2013, 12:14 AM
Your views and your hate of my views don't reflect your almost delusional view that you know the All. For the all involves resolution or coexistence. Your attitude towards someone who was giving you an alternative view defines you as contradictory. For the all is harmonizing. Even Eris and Harmonia, however polar opposite they are, coexisted in the same plane. You wanting me to leave is very hypocritical.

You don't know the All. That's all I can say.

Seth-Ra
04-06-2013, 12:25 AM
Your views and your hate of my views don't reflect your almost delusional view that you know the All. For the all involves resolution or coexistence. Your attitude towards someone who was giving you an alternative view defines you as contradictory. For the all is harmonizing. Even Eris and Harmonia, however polar opposite they are, coexisted in the same plane. You wanting me to leave is very hypocritical.

You don't know the All. That's all I can say.

Lol i dont hate you. Your posts are humorous to me, i dont hate Comedy Central either. ;)

Its also not my view, it is the All/One/Unity view, that your duality view will not accept. The view that I and others have presented you with, understands duality, and makes use of it - it also goes beyond it. I cant help you refuse to see that. If you want to be dual, fine - but dont expect us to join that rhetoric when we've moved beyond that.

I also cant help that you cant read - as i said i was not telling you to leave, but suggesting it if your goal is solely to preach to us, which is all thats been done. If that shoe fit you, its not my fault. :)

You are also not remotely able to say what i know, since you cannot even hear/see my words. Once again, you presume/resolve/interpret/project whatever you wish to in your head - that doesnt make it so of me. ;)




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-06-2013, 12:32 AM
I'm not preaching. All I do is post my views. you suspecting that there's preaching going on that just means that something inside you, probably your unconscious, is telling you that it may be true and you hate it because it is opposed to your views.

It's akin to planting seeds. I throw it away and i let them by itself. if it grows on your soil, then so be it. for sure it won't grow on bad soil and that's not bad at all.

no, you implied that i should leave. you just sugarcoated such that the guilt is not on you. but yeah, i won't post much now anyway for my days of meditation and discovery is done this day. i'm on my musical mood now. composing songs on my ukelele.

LostGnosticOccultum
04-06-2013, 12:46 AM
Ugh

Seth-Ra
04-06-2013, 12:51 AM
I'm not preaching. All I do is post my views. you suspecting that there's preaching going on that just means that something inside you, probably your unconscious, is telling you that it may be true and you hate it because it is opposed to your views.

It's akin to planting seeds. I throw it away and i let them by itself. if it grows on your soil, then so be it. for sure it won't grow on bad soil and that's not bad at all.

no, you implied that i should leave. you just sugarcoated such that the guilt is not on you. but yeah, i won't post much now anyway for my days of meditation and discovery is done this day. i'm on my musical mood now. composing songs on my ukelele.


You present them the way a scientist presents a theory, or a preacher presents a belief - as fact. I dont hate it because it is "opposed" to me - as i said, i understand duality, it has its place. Others have said the same.
Others also agree you have been going for quantity of posts, rather than quality - especially since you hop-skip all over the Board posting re-worded Dual-Propaganda all over the place. Im merely typing what is seen by many. Think its just me if you want - i dont care what you think of me, like Houdini said - just get my name right. ;)

You have used the arguments of good/bad before - explaining how bad is bad, and good is good - yet now you claim that "bad" soil is not "bad"... LOL dont try to tell me about being a politician with words. You've done your fair share in other threads as well, starting early on, especially when the All/One perspective is mentioned.

lol Projections everywhere, from hate to hypocrisy. tsk.

I hope your music turns out well. (i really do.) :)




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-06-2013, 12:55 AM
"falling on bad soil, which is not bad at all."

That just means that seeds falling on bad soil is not bad at all because it's meant to be. nothing is bad if it's meant to be.


I'll just end our lexical mumbo jumbo on the tug of war of who knows the truth by the passage from John

John 8:13-14

13 Then the Pharisees said to him, “You are testifying on your own behalf; your testimony is not valid.” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid because I know where I have come from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.

Let those who want to read about the alchemical transmutation of platinum read it. don't derail the thread with your negativity.

thanks on your well wishes on my music though ^_^.

Seth-Ra
04-06-2013, 01:19 AM
"falling on bad soil, which is not bad at all."

That just means that seeds falling on bad soil is not bad at all because it's meant to be. nothing is bad if it's meant to be.


I'll just end our lexical mumbo jumbo on the tug of war of who knows the truth by the passage from John

John 8:13-14

13 Then the Pharisees said to him, “You are testifying on your own behalf; your testimony is not valid.” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid because I know where I have come from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.

Let those who want to read about the alchemical transmutation of platinum read it. don't derail the thread with your negativity.

lol Sure, sure.

I'll refrain from using scriptures to speak for me here, as im capable to type my own words. :)

Im also not derailing the thread - its supposed to be about platinum - but hot damn, there isnt any here. ;)


thanks on your well wishes on my music though ^_^.

Certainly. :)




~Seth-Ra

glenerson
04-06-2013, 01:59 AM
lol Sure, sure.

Im also not derailing the thread - its supposed to be about platinum - but hot damn, there isnt any here. ;)



But there is here. So who wins?

Again, seeds on bad soil, which is meant to be.

Seth-Ra
04-06-2013, 02:12 AM
But there is here. So who wins?

Again, seeds on bad soil, which is meant to be.

lol cute, semantic games. Doesnt negate the point.




~Seth-Ra

thrival
04-06-2013, 02:18 AM
Glenerson:

The religious paradigm has its place, even its imagery gets borrowed to explain alchemical principles, because the veracity of both is not mutually exclusive. But planting seeds isn't gonna work here, because people will adopt their favorite paradigms based upon ego choices and knowledge base. Anyway it's best to stick to a topic. If you want to talk about the alchemy of platinum, please do, but don't suck biblical stuff into it, at least not more than absolutely necessary. Sometimes modern people have a hard time relating to people back-in-the-day. Is that a personal problem for them? Probably, but it doesn't matter, as everyone grows at their own pace, and even decide what growth means for them, until something bigger asserts its reality in their lives, and I'm sure you know what I mean, and they will too, when it happens for them.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjswSdm0K0

LostGnosticOccultum
04-06-2013, 02:57 AM
I would like to get back to the original topic.
I will say I like the original thought pattern for the thread but I do not agree with the birthstone as Seth-Ra has pointed out (however they have no real relevance in the context of this thread) how exactly did you derive this theory? And how would you propose a direct path of TRUE transmutational actions because you can't keep it just spiritual it must be done physics considering one doesn't have a chakra which aligns with platinum...

solomon levi
04-08-2013, 01:26 AM
the topic is unclear imo... why is this the greatest story ever told? what is your measure of greatness? platinum symbol combines sun and moon symbol... is not mercury greater to combine earth/cross as well as sun and moon?
anyway, platinum is pretty cool. i'll give you that. :)

glenerson
04-08-2013, 08:24 PM
the topic is unclear imo... why is this the greatest story ever told? what is your measure of greatness? platinum symbol combines sun and moon symbol... is not mercury greater to combine earth/cross as well as sun and moon?
anyway, platinum is pretty cool. i'll give you that. :)


Mercury is "just silver and copper", Luna and Venus, that is if following your suggestion.

solomon levi
04-08-2013, 11:52 PM
Mercury is "just silver and copper", Luna and Venus, that is if following your suggestion.

:) depending on context, perspective, of course. mercury is a chameleon. you're quoting me from the urine path which is not referring to the metals copper and silver when it/I says venus and luna.
one could call platinum taurus.

glenerson
04-09-2013, 05:57 PM
Copper = Venus
Silver = Luna

why are not they the same thing? They are lol.

If you examine the Zodiac. The union of Cancer = Moon = Luna and Leo = Sun = Sol is Capricorn+Aquarius, which are both ruled by Saturn = Lead, which is consistent with the OP, that Lead = Pseudo-Lead = Platinum.

It is in Lead that both the Sun and Moon converge.

solomon levi
04-10-2013, 05:16 AM
they're not the same because I'm talking about alchemy. alchemists will say 'our copper' and not mean copper.
venus is also the morning star, the light bearer, lucifer, phosphorus...
venus is phosphates in the urine path, not copper.