Salt and Light of the World

[glenerson]

Matthew 5:13-16

Salt and Light

13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Could be alchemical, right?

For me it is.

I - Salt, Water, Fire

Take for our sample Salt, NaCl. Lets posit that NaCl is the Oneness of God and us. Then we have a glass of water, which symbolize creation. We put NaCl to water and what happens. Na+ ions and Cl- ions separate. Being in Creation separates us from God. And if we use fire (gnosis of God) to evaporate water (death/material destruction), Na+ions and Cl- ions become NaCl again, go back to Oneness.

So salt separates to two components on Water and combines again by using fire

Yes, this could be what my idol alchemist Jabir or Parcelsus is trying to tell you. Water is symbolized by Mercury (Liquid Silver), Fire is symbolized by Sulfur (the alchemical symbol of Sulfur is the alchemical symbol of Fire with the cross) and Salt aka NaCl.

II - Light, Double Prisms

Before Isaac Newton, most scientists believed that white was the fundamental color of light. Newton demonstrated that this was not true by passing white light through a prism, breaking it up into its composite colors, and then using a second prism to reassemble them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White

Double Prism.

Looks like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Alchemy_fire_symbol.svg/64px-Alchemy_fire_symbol.svg.png - Fire

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Alchemy_water_symbol.svg/64px-Alchemy_water_symbol.svg.png - Water

Light == Salt?

Could be. Depends on your belief.

Salt separates to 2

NaCl -> Na+ + Cl-

and Light separates to 6

http://i.imgur.com/MVL9RYw.png

Coincidence?

There's no such thing as coincidence, silly.

[Seth-Ra]

I still dont care for the salt analogy cause its skewed.

The light one, however, is much more fitting. Especially since the rainbow of colors is inside the white, and nothing is destroyed in the revealing/hiding of either (white or rainbow - All/One, or all of the ones).
(Not that anything is destroyed in the salt one either, as evaporation is merely a changing of form of water - but i digress. :) )





~Seth-Ra

[glenerson]

evaporation of water is transformation of water from liquid phase to gaseous phase. and it's allegorical term is destruction or a less strong word, transformation. and death and material destruction is Our Death or after we materially self destruct (that is if we remove ourselves from Creation or to change the PoV, the Creation/Material World/Water is removed from us). For if we die knowing the existence of the half of the parts (for example, us as Na+ and God as Cl-), we are reunited again with God. Fire evaporates water for the separated Na+ and Cl+ to be One again.

I don't intend that the water is destroyed, that it poofs to nothingness. it is destroyed in a way that the liquid phase is not existing and there is an actual union of salt ions after evaporation, that is after using fire.

[solomon levi]

it is a good post, but again some flaws that make it misguiding. why say salt is oneness of God and a glass of water exists outside of this? there is no Oness AND... just Oneness. (correction: 'Oneness AND' is other than Oneness) to say otherwise is to show a poor understanding of Oneness. perhaps you intentionally want to misrepresent Oneness to fit dualism... it just makes issues. this thread could have been written without these complications.
you also left out indigo for some reason, emphasising 6 instead of 7 without explanation.
but the general message is appreciated. i can see how/why some are concerned that your writing is misleading for beginners without proper context. as a moderator, i am inclined to allow these 'ammendments' in the name of science and not personal criticism. it may appear personal when there are these 'corruptions' in practically all of your threads Glen... just saying, for the record.
idk... you'd think we could all agree that a glass of water is not external to Oneness.

[solomon levi]

i understand why people want to follow you around ammending, since your signature should read: WARNING when i say Oneness/One i really mean duality/two.
i believe until you fix that, you will be suspect.
whatever changes you can make to remedy this will be appreciated.

[Seth-Ra]

you also left out indigo for some reason, emphasising 6 instead of 7 without explanation.


I noticed that too, was wondering if anyone else would. Seven is the Magician's Star - the Azoth Star/Alchemist's Star. (and for balance, leads to 8 = infinite, funny that.)




~Seth-Ra

[glenerson]

it is a good post, but again some flaws that make it misguiding. why say salt is oneness of God and a glass of water exists outside of this? there is no Oness AND... just Oneness. (correction: 'Oneness AND' is other than Oneness) to say otherwise is to show a poor understanding of Oneness. perhaps you intentionally want to misrepresent Oneness to fit dualism... it just makes issues. this thread could have been written without these complications.
you also left out indigo for some reason, emphasising 6 instead of 7 without explanation.
but the general message is appreciated. i can see how/why some are concerned that your writing is misleading for beginners without proper context. as a moderator, i am inclined to allow these 'ammendments' in the name of science and not personal criticism. it may appear personal when there are these 'corruptions' in practically all of your threads Glen... just saying, for the record.
idk... you'd think we could all agree that a glass of water is not external to Oneness.

NaCl, Oneness of God and Man. Water separates them to components and Fire makes God and Man One again.

Solve via Water. Coagula Via Fire.

And light is Oneness of the 6. First prism separates them to components and the other prism makes them One again.

Solve via Prism (Water symbol). Coagula via Inverted Prism (Fire symbol).


It's pretty straightforward.

And it should be obvious why I left indigo out. Notice that I plotted it in the Zodiac plane. If it's 7 then it's not in harmony.

Red + Yellow = Orange
Yellow + Blue = Green
Red + Blue = Violet

Even gradeschool art teaches that.

CLUE: Color of the Birthstones.

Amethyst = February = Pisces = Violet
Sapphire = April = Taurus = Blue
Emerald = June = Cancer = Green
Carnelian = August = Virgo - Yellow (This is the odd color)
(Morganite) Beryl = October - Scorpio - Orange
Ruby = December - Capricorn - Red

also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RYB_color_model

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Chromatography_1841_Field.png

Regards,

[Kiorionis]

And it should be obvious why I left indigo out. Notice that I plotted it in the Zodiac plane. If it's 7 then it's not in harmony.


But seven is harmony ;)

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/images/azoth.gif

http://www.crystalhealingshop.com/images/chakra_1.jpg

[Seth-Ra]

There is always harmony. Like i said, 7, leads to 8 for balance, which is infinity anyway.

But, aside from that, all this "zodiac" and "birthstone" stuff "lining up" and all... these systems are wheels, wheels because they move - i could rotate any of the wheels to line it up differently and get something new/different. Soooo... i dont see the point of ascribing such rigid fixity to it, at least, not in the sense of making out that its a one-size fits all. There are a ton of ways that the "spokes" of these wheels can go and point, even the birthstones get similar in color/frequency, hence substituting for some things, or multiple stones being on one season/time.

Anyone remember that map from the Pirates of the Caribbean? Rotate it to get a new idea/location. Tis malleable. ;)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2366/1529803943_b9f60ec90e.jpg

Wheels within wheels within wheels, ever turning, ever changing, yet remaining One.




But seven is harmony ;)

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/images/azoth.gif

http://www.crystalhealingshop.com/images/chakra_1.jpg

YES! :cool:




~Seth-Ra

[glenerson]

I trust the Zodiac and Birthstone and Month. k thnx ^_^

You cannot rotate the order of it because it is already been set by the Adepts before us. All we do is read and if you misconfigured it, we will be lost.

Remember, there is only a certain combination number for the wheel lock to be unlocked.

[glenerson]

But seven is harmony ;)

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/images/azoth.gif

http://www.crystalhealingshop.com/images/chakra_1.jpg

The cube has 6 faces. The Sphere and the Cube are the most harmonious figures there are.

[Seth-Ra]

I trust the Zodiac and Birthstone and Month. k thnx ^_^

You cannot rotate the order of it because it is already been set by the Adepts before us. All we do is read and if you misconfigured it, we will be lost.

Remember, there is only a certain combination number for the wheel lock to be unlocked.


You trust half of the zodiac (there are twelve, not six - regardless if you only emphasize (color) 6 for your one version of the pattern).

You also trust your version of it (partly old Roman that doesnt make a proper cycle, and partly with your revised version (addition of Jan and Feb) where you wanted, rather than where the original Astrologers/Astronomers placed them).

You only focus on the original meaning of Sept. Oct. etc but want to leave out the meaning of Jan.


January (in Latin, Ianuarius) is named after Janus, the god of the doorway; the name has its beginnings in Roman mythology, coming from the Latin word for door (ianua) since January is the door to the year.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January#History

Which is why it comes first, not March/Aries/Scorpio. ;)

Also, because their are 12 (an expression of the Divine 3), thats 2 versions of 6 - you talk about the circle (which is 1/One) and the 6-sided cube, and since there 2 copies of it; 6 (cube)+1(circle) = 7, plus the other copy = 14 = 1+4 = 5 tis All Quintessence/Life in expression.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/303/9/b/snake_star_by_bluejays_strike-d5ji3uc.png

As Long as Principles are followed, any number of agreements can be made within the expression - thus infinite.




~Seth-Ra

[glenerson]

Septa- 7 = September, Octo - 8 = October, Nona - 9 = November, Deca - 10 = December. March = 1 = Aries. First sign on the Zodiac at 0 degrees.

Cube has 6 faces. There is not the 7th face of the cube.

And the Cube and the Sphere are mutually exclusive and define each other. A cube exists inside a sphere, the 6 faces exist in 1 face. A sphere exists outside a cube, 1 face in 6 faces.

They are not additive. 6 (cube) converges to 1 (sphere) and vise versa.

[glenerson]

http://www.qubitapplications.com/researchhighlights/oeaw_dec08.jpg

I'm visual. Sorry. lol.

[glenerson]

"The name of March comes from Latin Martius, the first month of the earliest Roman calendar." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March

EARLIEST. Caps for emphasis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar

Calendar of Romulus

Roman writers attributed the original Roman calendar to Romulus, the founder of Rome around 753 BC. The Romulus calendar had ten months with the spring equinox in the first month:
Calendar of Romulus
Martius (31 days)
Aprilis (30 days)
Maius (31 days)
Iunius (30 days)
Quintilis [2] (31 days)
Sextilis (30 days)
Septembris[3] (30 days)
Octobris (31 days)
Novembris (30 days)
Decembris (30 days)

The regular calendar year consisted of 304 days, with the winter days after the end of December and before the beginning of the following March not being assigned to any month.[4]

The names of at least three of the first four months were named in honour of Roman gods: Martius in honour of Mars; Maius in honour of Maia; and Iunius in honour of Juno. The derivation of Aprilis is uncertain. The names of the months from the fifth month on were based on their position in the calendar: Quintilis comes from Latin quinque meaning five; Sextilis from sex meaning six; Septembris from septem meaning seven; Octobris from octo meaning eight; Novembris from novem meaning nine; and Decembris from decem meaning ten.

[glenerson]

You also trust your version of it (partly old Roman that doesnt make a proper cycle, and partly with your revised version (addition of Jan and Feb) where you wanted, rather than where the original Astrologers/Astronomers placed them).

I'm consistent with Astrology, mind you. I follow the Zodiacal Ordering where Aries the first sign is March. You make me laugh.

[Seth-Ra]

"The name of March comes from Latin Martius, the first month of the earliest Roman calendar." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March

EARLIEST. Caps for emphasis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar

Calendar of Romulus

Roman writers attributed the original Roman calendar to Romulus, the founder of Rome around 753 BC. The Romulus calendar had ten months with the spring equinox in the first month:
Calendar of Romulus
Martius (31 days)
Aprilis (30 days)
Maius (31 days)
Iunius (30 days)
Quintilis [2] (31 days)
Sextilis (30 days)
Septembris[3] (30 days)
Octobris (31 days)
Novembris (30 days)
Decembris (30 days)

The regular calendar year consisted of 304 days, with the winter days after the end of December and before the beginning of the following March not being assigned to any month.[4]

The names of at least three of the first four months were named in honour of Roman gods: Martius in honour of Mars; Maius in honour of Maia; and Iunius in honour of Juno. The derivation of Aprilis is uncertain. The names of the months from the fifth month on were based on their position in the calendar: Quintilis comes from Latin quinque meaning five; Sextilis from sex meaning six; Septembris from septem meaning seven; Octobris from octo meaning eight; Novembris from novem meaning nine; and Decembris from decem meaning ten.


Yes, im not disputing that. They were silly enough to not ascribe time to the winter months, and it didnt add up with the celestial (lunar) calendar - hence them later assigning Jan and Feb where they now currently are. Again you pick and choose what you want from the history. Roman history at that (cause thats the begin-all-end-all of Astrology. :rolleyes: lol please, they still thought the world was flat and center of the solar system. :p ).


I'm consistent with Astrology, mind you. I follow the Zodiacal Ordering where Aries the first sign is March.

Im quite aware what you follow - you tell us over and over and over again, as if its the only way. ;)


You make me laugh.

As you do for all of us. :D




~Seth-Ra

[LostGnosticOccultum]

You make me laugh.
As you do for all of us. :D

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NGpgNMFs-YY/UWKd5mMPUWI/AAAAAAAAJwo/0MO5WIXW5Xw/s1600/Facebook-Like-Button.jpg
Good post Seth-Ra :cool:

[Seth-Ra]

Septa- 7 = September, Octo - 8 = October, Nona - 9 = November, Deca - 10 = December. March = 1 = Aries. First sign on the Zodiac at 0 degrees.

Cube has 6 faces. There is not the 7th face of the cube.

And the Cube and the Sphere are mutually exclusive and define each other. A cube exists inside a sphere, the 6 faces exist in 1 face. A sphere exists outside a cube, 1 face in 6 faces.

They are not additive. 6 (cube) converges to 1 (sphere) and vise versa.

Yeah, i wanted to address this also...

There is not a single thing that is mutually exclusive. Everything relies on everything else. It all adds up to its culmination of Micro-representation of the Macro-whole. You can pick and choose to focus on where you separate/exclude things, and ignore it at other times, but it doesnt negate that it all adds and flows together, as one and all, the single sphere and multiples - cause its all the same. It all adds up to Life expressing itself within itself.

As for the 0 degrees - that all depends on where your starting point is. If you have no point to start, it all just Is. So starting points are relative to each person.

Some say North is Fire and East is Wind, others say it the opposite. Preference/resonation to your vibrational frequency is all it is. Someone born in say, February, has a different starting point than someone born in August.

Thus individual natal charts to track one's self.

The All/One is only Principles.
All the ones, are little expressions of those Principles actively playing out.





~Seth-Ra

[Kiorionis]

was going to say something similar to above post. . .
but was beat to the punch.
mod please delete

[glenerson]

Yeah, i wanted to address this also...

There is not a single thing that is mutually exclusive. Everything relies on everything else. It all adds up to its culmination of Micro-representation of the Macro-whole. You can pick and choose to focus on where you separate/exclude things, and ignore it at other times, but it doesnt negate that it all adds and flows together, as one and all, the single sphere and multiples - cause its all the same. It all adds up to Life expressing itself within itself.

As for the 0 degrees - that all depends on where your starting point is. If you have no point to start, it all just Is. So starting points are relative to each person.

Some say North is Fire and East is Wind, others say it the opposite. Preference/resonation to your vibrational frequency is all it is. Someone born in say, February, has a different starting point than someone born in August.

Thus individual natal charts to track one's self.

The All/One is only Principles.
All the ones, are little expressions of those Principles actively playing out.





~Seth-Ra


At Zero degrees, or Aries. it is set by the Astrologers before us. The astronomers agree. I didn't set it myself.

And you accuse me not following the Astrologers? I guess someone needs a mirror.

Aries or March, is at One. Of course if you believe all is relative then May is first. LOL.

LOL.

[Seth-Ra]

At Zero degrees, or Aries. it is set by the Astrologers before us. The astronomers agree. I didn't set it myself.

And you accuse me not following the Astrologers? I guess someone needs a mirror.

Aries or March, is at One. Of course if you believe all is relative then May is first. LOL.

LOL.

If by Astrologers before us, you mean Westerners based on the Tropical version used by Rome and its church.

For a short period of time Aries was the first degree on the Ecliptic during the March equinox. Western Astrology seems to forget about the fact that the equinox moves slowly backward on the ecliptic, as now March 20 brings in the 24th degree of Pisces. Many Western astrologers observe this movemenet and account for it, as do the Vedic, Chinese and various others as well as the ancient Mayans, Greeks, Babylonians and Egyptian when they were around to practice.

So, as there are multiple methods of reading the signs/sky, the only thing that can possibly hold True (objective), is the meaning/Principles.

The way in which to read is subjective. Astrology (the thought/meaning) is an intuitive art. Astronomy (the expressed/physical expression of the Thought) is an exact science.

Alchemy would blend them harmoniously into one - subjectives aside (but not excluded), Principles reigning True - All Realized, and none excluded.




~Seth-Ra

[solomon levi]

this won't be the first or last time Glenerson fails to grasp relativity or that more than one perspective can be useful.