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Dr.Zoidberg
10-05-2013, 05:42 AM
This is a recreation of a post we made that was lost during the site changes. Though it is a bit tedious to recreate this post, we accept and understand growing pains and it also created an opportunity for us to add in details we left out last time.

We hope to include everything we originally posted but apologize if anything has been left out. This post cannot be reproduced verbatim from the original but we will try the best we can and add additional information.

We are aware that there are many opinions regarding sharing personal Alchemical information. Some Alchemists prefer to be be secretive and others are more open. We would like to be very open with our research in the attitude of Fraternal Love; though we realize that as beginners the only value we can offer at this point to others is learning from our mistakes. Please ask for clarification on any details we may leave out unintentionally.

It is with this attitude of Fraternal Love that we would like to share with you our first attempt at Planetary Elixirs. We would much appreciate any suggestions or criticisms.

We spent much time and effort creating 180 proof SV from 100% burgundy grape wine. We used Borosillicate lab glassware. We were able to achieve 180 proof (or 90%) in one cycle using a Vigreux Column. Each cycle took about 8 hours via a rigged water bath (4L pot with pie pan on top with hole cut for the neck of our flask to prevent evaporation, also smooth black rocks to hold the pie pan down; next time we will be using rocks from our 10yo's collection as he is a precious boy and has an affinity to certain stones) though we noticed every time we ran a distillation it took a little less time to complete than the last cycle.

We were planning on further rectifying our SV but ran out of time (deadline was Sept 3rd for impending new moon). SV without this column resulted in 150 proof SV. We used a Graham condenser which you will see in our lab pic. We do not suggest using this type of condenser as it creates unwanted pressure buildup. We had to relieve pressure many times throughout our distillation cycles by removing the glass stopper atop our apparatus and applying a vacuum to remove liquid from the coil in the Graham condenser, otherwise the distillate would not come over or if sufficient pressure built up, it blew off the stopper created a wine volcano and a nice purple design on the ceiling. We are planning on using a Liebig condenser next time to resolve this issue and will post our results.

Our Elixirs are currently sitting on top of our water heater and we shake them occasionally. We plan on leaving them for 40 days, then we will calcinate the bodies, leech the ashes, and recombine the salt to the sulfur and mercury. We are unsure if they will be ready immediately after recombining or if they require another 40 days of incubation. We have read both methods while researching and input on this would be greatly appreciated!

Mr. Zoidberg graciously sacrificed his gaming station PC desk for this endeavor. He also designed and constructed an inexpensive DIY lab frame to mount our glassware on. Our lab has since moved to its very own room.

Here is a picture of the lab in the location of this endeavor.

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130714_100702-1_zps2ec6256a.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130714_100702-1_zps2ec6256a.jpg.html)

We used both fresh and dried material to compare results as available. All materials were harvested from our yard and garden. Dried material was collected on corresponding planetary days and hours, then dried, and on Sept 3rd were ground, combined with SV, and sealed during corresponding planetary hours. Fresh materials were harvested, prepared, combined with SV and sealed during corresponding planetary hours on Sept 3rd. All procedures were executed with positive mental attitude, silent prayer, and verbal intention.

Sept 3rd was chosen as the sealing date to make use of the impending new moon.

We used a stone mortar and pestle to grind the materia but are looking to use ceramic next time. Thoughts?

We used the following sources to determine planetary correspondence of our prima materia:
http://www.alchemylab.com/AJ7-2.htm#Planetary_Attributions
http://www.alchemylab.com/AJ7-3.htm
http://www.alchemylab.com/AJ8-1.htm
We found a table regarding plant and planetary correspondence on this forum at one time but have been unable to locate it again. Direction to it would be greatly appreciated!

Here is a pic of our dried prima materia. Unfortunately we were unable to use all materia due to running out of SV, but we will use it with our next attempt. Some jars are covered in paper towels; later jars are covered with pantyhose as we found this to be more functional while drying materia and also conveniently reusable.
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_083532_zpscd27b280.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_083532_zpscd27b280.jpg.html)

The following are our individual elixirs soon after being sealed. All are labeled with date, time, fresh or dry plant, and planetary seal. Mrs. Zoidberg will be creating special containers for our completed elixirs to be stored in and these will also be posted.

Dried White Praire Rose Petals
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_121741_zps86af6271.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_121741_zps86af6271.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dried Aloe Vera Leaves
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_120647_zps30f9cd5c.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_120647_zps30f9cd5c.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dried Lavender Flowers and Leaves
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_121027_zps9435e0f3.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_121027_zps9435e0f3.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dried Rosemary Leaves
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_121143_zpse280a525.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_121143_zpse280a525.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dried Dill Flowers (by far the most potent smelling prima materia in the group)
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_122004_zps8e27aba1.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_122004_zps8e27aba1.jpg.html)

Fresh Purple and White Hibiscus Flowers (purple created a very bright pink color)
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_122644_zps445843e7.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_122644_zps445843e7.jpg.html)

Fresh Sunflower Petals, Leaves, and Seeds
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_132305_zpsd33d7048.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_132305_zpsd33d7048.jpg.html)

Fresh Catnip Buds and leaves
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_132932_zps84f5e679.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_132932_zps84f5e679.jpg.html)

Fresh Cabbage Leaves (created an interesting almost florescent green color)
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/IMG_20130903_122836_zpsbe006783.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/IMG_20130903_122836_zpsbe006783.jpg.html)

We have already recognized some things we can do next time to improve the quality of our elixirs such as creating smaller particles before combining with SV, but we would love to hear any suggestions!

Axismundi000
10-05-2013, 09:39 AM
This is very valuable info because I have just started fermenting the fresh plant matter for the initial separation stage. How things go with for you with the dried plant is especially interesting because if you guys achieve good results with this then seasonal restrictions on plant availability are reduced.

Are you guys doing a magisterie or a spagyric quintessence?

Awani
10-05-2013, 11:14 AM
Good thread and photos! I have nothing to add apart from 'keep it up'!

:cool:

Dr.Zoidberg
10-05-2013, 01:24 PM
This is very valuable info because I have just started fermenting the fresh plant matter for the initial separation stage. How things go with for you with the dried plant is especially interesting because if you guys achieve good results with this then seasonal restrictions on plant availability are reduced.

Are you guys doing a magisterie or a spagyric quintessence?

Thanks! We are very interested to see if and how dried vs fresh results differ as we live in an area where the 4 seasons manifest themselves in a very physical way (thus affecting plant availability). Further down the road, we hope to become snowbirds and live in a warmer, more tropical place during the winter months then fresh materials would not be an issue :cool:

...though another question we'd like to experiment with eventually is originating location of prima materia and how this affects our creations.

From what we understand, this experiment will result in Spagyric Elixirs as we are using the Universal Mercury of the plant kingdom, SV. A Magistery would use the mercury derived from each specific plant instead of SV. Would you agree with this definition?

We do plan on experimenting with Magistries next year though we realize to create good quality mercury it will require much experimentation, and this may take more than one year. We'd love to hear about your progress and results if you are willing to share! We have a brother/in-law who uses interesting ingredients to create wines and perhaps he could lend some knowledge to our endeavor.



Good thread and photos! I have nothing to add apart from 'keep it up'!

:cool:

Thanks! :)

Axismundi000
10-06-2013, 04:24 PM
Thanks! We are very interested to see if and how dried vs fresh results differ as we live in an area where the 4 seasons manifest themselves in a very physical way (thus affecting plant availability). Further down the road, we hope to become snowbirds and live in a warmer, more tropical place during the winter months then fresh materials would not be an issue :cool:

...though another question we'd like to experiment with eventually is originating location of prima materia and how this affects our creations.

From what we understand, this experiment will result in Spagyric Elixirs as we are using the Universal Mercury of the plant kingdom, SV. A Magistery would use the mercury derived from each specific plant instead of SV. Would you agree with this definition?

Please continue with your very important work irrespective of the fact that I do not have the same definitions as you have. The work with dried is especially interesting and I am keen to learn the outcome.

Once my fermentation has completed in a few weeks I will distil to separate and then calcinate + leech the sulphur and salt principals. By then my soxhlet extractor will have hopefully arrived so I can accelerate cohobation.

A demijohn with air-trap, full of fermenting plant matter is not entirely interesting so I will wait until I have progressed further before attempting to upload pics. It looks from the photos you have given that photo uploads on the forum are more feasible now which is cool.

Krisztian
10-06-2013, 06:22 PM
Excellent photos! Great commitment.

Two other experimentations that could be worthwhile to pursue in some future date, Dr. Zoidberg. Distill wine (to higher proof) using low heat. With so-called 'mushroom' glassware, such is to be had. To run it up the Vigreux column, that takes much heat.

The second, when digestion is underway, if one is to follow Nature, then keeping the material in darkness is a must.

Dr.Zoidberg
10-07-2013, 12:04 AM
Please continue with your very important work irrespective of the fact that I do not have the same definitions as you have. The work with dried is especially interesting and I am keen to learn the outcome.

Once my fermentation has completed in a few weeks I will distil to separate and then calcinate + leech the sulphur and salt principals. By then my soxhlet extractor will have hopefully arrived so I can accelerate cohobation.

A demijohn with air-trap, full of fermenting plant matter is not entirely interesting so I will wait until I have progressed further before attempting to upload pics. It looks from the photos you have given that photo uploads on the forum are more feasible now which is cool.

Can you explain your understanding of a Spagyric vs. Magistery? What would be your definition of what we are creating? Our knowledge of technical Alchemic terms is in the very beginning stages.

Are you saying that you will calcinate the sulfur also? Never heard of this but we also could be reading your response wrong.

Uploading the pics wasn't too hard, but due to the number we wished to upload, we actually had to use URL links for the pics.


Excellent photos! Great commitment.

Two other experimentations that could be worthwhile to pursue in some future date, Dr. Zoidberg. Distill wine (to higher proof) using low heat. With so-called 'mushroom' glassware, such is to be had. To run it up the Vigreux column, that takes much heat.

The second, when digestion is underway, if one is to follow Nature, then keeping the material in darkness is a must.

Thanks for the suggestions! We did notice the temp needed was a but higher than what we expected based on our research. We just received a shorter Snyder column and are planning on experimenting with it soon. What is the "mushroom" glassware you mention? Is there another name for it?

Thanks for the darkness catch! In our last post we had specified that the elixirs were in a box, on top, of the water heater, covered in a blanket. We forgot to repost this detail.

Axismundi000
10-07-2013, 04:55 PM
Magisterie is putting the plant in alcohol and fermenting for a month, throw away used plant, distilling off alcohol, adding more fresh plant with distilled alcohol plus fresh alcohol if needed, incubating for another month, do the incubation/fresh plant cycle 7 times, cohobate with soxhlet. Bartlet gives the procedure in full.

My view on how to do spagyric quintessence is as follows: Ferment, strain and set aside plant matter and then distil liquid, throw away excess water collect oil left from distil and evaporate to a gum. Distil ethanol 7 times to purify mercury. Calicinate and leach plant matter until no more alchemical salt drawn from ash. More gently calcinate and leach gum to purify sulphur. Put all 3 together and incubate or speed up cohobation in a soxhlet.

This is my approach I am not saying it is 'right' or best I'm just saying that is what I do.

Kiorionis
10-07-2013, 07:49 PM
Can you explain your understanding of a Spagyric vs. Magistery? What would be your definition of what we are creating?

As I see and understand the two, a Spagyric tincture, stone, or elixir is created through the common 'solve et coagula'. The concentrated end result will only contain results particular to the plant in question, and only according to the level of energy preserved in the plant through astrological synchronicity.

A Magistery is then the next level. It is using the spagyric art to create a magnet for the condensing of life energy/universal fire. The Magistery of an herb can then be used to produce a true Philosophic Stone which has greater spiritual/energetic affects according to the strength of the Artist's magnet.

There are also Arcana, which at the moment is beyond me..

As to what you are creating, I see them as planetary tinctures. An elixir by my definition is multiple plants in one tincture. Elixirs fall into the category of homeopathic medicines which takes some understanding of physiology and plant-interaction (chemical interactions, basically. You don't want to create any neurotoxins!) to produce the desired effect.

Dr.Zoidberg
10-07-2013, 09:56 PM
Magisterie is putting the plant in alcohol and fermenting for a month, throw away used plant, distilling off alcohol, adding more fresh plant with distilled alcohol plus fresh alcohol if needed, incubating for another month, do the incubation/fresh plant cycle 7 times, cohobate with soxhlet. Bartlet gives the procedure in full.

My view on how to do spagyric quintessence is as follows: Ferment, strain and set aside plant matter and then distil liquid, throw away excess water collect oil left from distil and evaporate to a gum. Distil ethanol 7 times to purify mercury. Calicinate and leach plant matter until no more alchemical salt drawn from ash. More gently calcinate and leach gum to purify sulphur. Put all 3 together and incubate or speed up cohobation in a soxhlet.

This is my approach I am not saying it is 'right' or best I'm just saying that is what I do.

Thanks for your opinion!


As I see and understand the two, a Spagyric tincture, stone, or elixir is created through the common 'solve et coagula'. The concentrated end result will only contain results particular to the plant in question, and only according to the level of energy preserved in the plant through astrological synchronicity.

A Magistery is then the next level. It is using the spagyric art to create a magnet for the condensing of life energy/universal fire. The Magistery of an herb can then be used to produce a true Philosophic Stone which has greater spiritual/energetic affects according to the strength of the Artist's magnet.

There are also Arcana, which at the moment is beyond me..

As to what you are creating, I see them as planetary tinctures. An elixir by my definition is multiple plants in one tincture. Elixirs fall into the category of homeopathic medicines which takes some understanding of physiology and plant-interaction (chemical interactions, basically. You don't want to create any neurotoxins!) to produce the desired effect.

Thanks for your response!

We feel like we are learning a lot and we really appreciate these responses!

Krisztian
10-07-2013, 10:34 PM
. . . What is the "mushroom" glassware you mention? Is there another name for it?

I own one. Tried to post photo, file too large to upload. . . . I'll make another run at it later.

Dr.Zoidberg
10-08-2013, 12:56 PM
I own one. Tried to post photo, file too large to upload. . . . I'll make another run at it later.

I think I've seen pictures of them before, I just don't know what it is called. I'd be interesting in purchasing one if I could find one, but I need to know its name.

Krisztian
10-08-2013, 02:14 PM
I think I've seen pictures of them before, I just don't know what it is called. I'd be interesting in purchasing one if I could find one, but I need to know its name.

I ordered it from Kontes Glass, because it's a specialty item NDS Technologies in Vineland, N.J. make it, called Reaction flask, 12 litre bottom, 22 litre top. Item # 34-12850-128, 34-13849-228. You'll need a silicone o-ring as well as clamp.

I now only use low heat distillation for my needs in the plant kingdom. If I can minimize size of photos I'll post it.

Dr.Zoidberg
10-10-2013, 12:04 AM
I ordered it from Kontes Glass, because it's a specialty item NDS Technologies in Vineland, N.J. make it, called Reaction flask, 12 litre bottom, 22 litre top. Item # 34-12850-128, 34-13849-228. You'll need a silicone o-ring as well as clamp.

I now only use low heat distillation for my needs in the plant kingdom. If I can minimize size of photos I'll post it.

Cool thanks! I did some more research and think it is also called an Alembic. How long does one distillation cycle typically take and how efficient is it?

Donna Matrix
10-10-2013, 11:01 PM
One way to empower the herb is under a pyramid with a symbol. You can also run it thru your fingers and visualize what you want the elixir to do while loading it into thee soxhlet. I charge my herb in the mortar and set it on a pent. During the week before I talk to it. I thank the deva of the species, and all the builders of the plants. I use planetary symbols, tarot cards, etc to program the extraction.

Dr.Zoidberg
10-18-2013, 07:36 PM
Here is an update to this project. 40 days have passed and here is what our extractions look like now:

White Dried Prairie Rose:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_141710_zps6f4ab141.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_141710_zps6f4ab141.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dried Aloe Vera:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130827_zps8694ab88.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130827_zps8694ab88.jpg.html)

Dry and Fresh Lavender:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130429_zps757dc7c2.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130429_zps757dc7c2.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dry Rosemary:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130339_zps75755a8e.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130339_zps75755a8e.jpg.html)

Fresh and Dry Dill:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130537_zpsccfe7b46.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130537_zpsccfe7b46.jpg.html)

Fresh Purple and White Hibiscus:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130455_zps83113e80.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130455_zps83113e80.jpg.html)

Fresh Sunflower Petals, Leaves, and Seed:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130607_zpsc9163914.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130607_zpsc9163914.jpg.html)

Fresh Catnip:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130725_zpsa8744cad.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130725_zpsa8744cad.jpg.html)

Fresh Cabbage:
http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b620/george5mith/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130927_zpsaf587dc8.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/george5mith/media/Alchemy/IMG_20131018_130927_zpsaf587dc8.jpg.html)

Next we are going to calcinate the bodies and recombine. Can anyone make any suggestions if we should further incubate after this or if they are ready immediately after recombination?

Also we are thinking about testing this on a plant first. Does anyone have experience with acting as their own guinea pig? We are debating on the ethics of testing on other living entities...

Kiorionis
10-18-2013, 08:39 PM
Also we are thinking about testing this on a plant first. Does anyone have experience with acting as their own guinea pig? We are debating on the ethics of testing on other living entities...

I have experience with spagyric preparations. You'll want to consider dosis at this point, not only of a single herb but-if you plan on ingesting all seven-how all seven ought to be harmonized in the body. Everything is a poison to the body if ingested in adverse proportions, but for two reasons.

The first is the obvious overdose. Your body and/or mind can't handle the stimulation and shuts down.

The second is more subtle. If I take a tincture of Barberry root, which is a good cleanser of toxins for the body and liver, but my lymph and excretory system have insufficient resources to move those toxins out the body, they tend to sit in those systems and back things up. I've heard this called having poor drainage. I call it creating an unbalance in the body.

To me the point of herbal preparations is to create a temporary balance in the body so that it can function normally long enough to remove whatever illness is affecting it. After this point natural health is restored.

At this point I'll add that you needn't worry about the second one. One, because you made a tincture of Aloe, which is a common and wonderful purgative. Two because if you are taking each individual tincture once a week (on the day ruled by the planetary affinity of the herb), your body has the chance to process and harmonize with the herbs. The hermetic way is the slow but steady way leading towards health and happiness :)

Dr.Zoidberg
06-26-2014, 07:05 PM
Hello! It has been a while and we figured we'd give an update on this project. As of right now, we think this experiment is chalked up to be a success in that we learned some valuable lessons, but also a failure in the physically practical aspect. In our excitement to try and get as many planetary plants to work with, we neglected some important details. In almost every case there is not enough plant matter to produce a sufficient amount of salts.

Is there a way to salvage this? Can we add more plant matter to the spiritus vini to obtain more caput mortuum for calcination?

If this is a bad idea is there a way to reuse the spiritus vini? If we re-distill will is render the spiritus vini virgin again?

Axismundi000
07-28-2014, 10:29 PM
If you are macerating dried herb in 50% alcohol (spiritus vini). Yes you can basically make more salts of the same plant. When you have enough salts you don't have to add all the alcohol I think roughly 10 to 12 times the salts is the right amount. The alcohol/water mix extracted after the maceration needs to be multiple distilled to purify. Any excess alcohol(now purified mercury) can be used with other plants because the mercury principal in the plant kingdom is universal.

Dr.Zoidberg
08-01-2014, 02:18 PM
If you are macerating dried herb in 50% alcohol (spiritus vini). Yes you can basically make more salts of the same plant. When you have enough salts you don't have to add all the alcohol I think roughly 10 to 12 times the salts is the right amount. The alcohol/water mix extracted after the maceration needs to be multiple distilled to purify. Any excess alcohol(now purified mercury) can be used with other plants because the mercury principal in the plant kingdom is universal.

Our spiritus vini is much higher than 50%. Good to know we can use more of the same plant, but does the fact that it was harvested at a different time/date have effect? The alcohol/water mix taken from maceration now contains sulphur no? It seems the Mercury would come over first, but is there not a risk of cooking the sulphur? Maybe we misunderstand your response.

We've read that dried plant matter is good to store for about 1 year... what about purified salt/mercury/sulphur?

Kiorionis
08-01-2014, 02:58 PM
In almost every case there is not enough plant matter to produce a sufficient amount of salts.

Is there a way to salvage this? Can we add more plant matter to the spiritus vini to obtain more caput mortuum for calcination?

the only way to get more salts is to obtain more plants and calcine them. you don't really even need to draw off a tincture -- the fire will drive out all the volatiles and only the fixed salts will remain (plus fixed dross).


If this is a bad idea is there a way to reuse the spiritus vini? If we re-distill will is render the spiritus vini virgin again?

it will take many distillations and cohobations to separate the alcohol from the volatile oils, and there may still be some volatile substances left. My opinion is that it would be best, and faster, to use fresh alcohol/vini.

Axismundi000
08-01-2014, 07:18 PM
Our spiritus vini is much higher than 50%. Good to know we can use more of the same plant, but does the fact that it was harvested at a different time/date have effect? The alcohol/water mix taken from maceration now contains sulphur no? It seems the Mercury would come over first, but is there not a risk of cooking the sulphur? Maybe we misunderstand your response.

We've read that dried plant matter is good to store for about 1 year... what about purified salt/mercury/sulphur?

What I suggest is how I would address this. Basically you make more with the identical plant species and add to what you already have. Macerate dried plant in 50% alcohol at room temp and air tight for about 2weeks. Decant, strain the plant matter that originally started as dried plant. This is calcinated and leached for salt. Distill off alcohol from liquid set aside. Evaporate residue liquid until a solid gum, calcinate and leach, this is your fixed sulphur. Distill multiple times (at least7) the alcohol until it gets to at least 90% ethanol, this is mercury. Add all to respective products already obtained from previous work MUST Be exact same plant species. So basically I'm suggesting you make more until you have enough for an end product.

Dr.Zoidberg
08-04-2014, 02:18 PM
the only way to get more salts is to obtain more plants and calcine them. you don't really even need to draw off a tincture -- the fire will drive out all the volatiles and only the fixed salts will remain (plus fixed dross).



it will take many distillations and cohobations to separate the alcohol from the volatile oils, and there may still be some volatile substances left. My opinion is that it would be best, and faster, to use fresh alcohol/vini.

Thank you. We were mainly concerned about using a plant that had been harvested at a different time/date, these plants are being harvested almost a year later than the original prima materia.

Regarding the spiritus vini, what you say makes sense to us. Thank you for the advice.


What I suggest is how I would address this. Basically you make more with the identical plant species and add to what you already have. Macerate dried plant in 50% alcohol at room temp and air tight for about 2weeks. Decant, strain the plant matter that originally started as dried plant. This is calcinated and leached for salt. Distill off alcohol from liquid set aside. Evaporate residue liquid until a solid gum, calcinate and leach, this is your fixed sulphur. Distill multiple times (at least7) the alcohol until it gets to at least 90% ethanol, this is mercury. Add all to respective products already obtained from previous work MUST Be exact same plant species. So basically I'm suggesting you make more until you have enough for an end product.

Thank you. We are trying to see how much or if astrological factors are important. Perhaps we are getting too caught up in this aspect right now.

Axismundi000
08-04-2014, 06:06 PM
The stars guide they do not force. So in my opinion a good astrological time is beneficial but work can still be done without waiting for a conjunction. There is nothing to stop you proceeding at a different time and then comparing the two separate outcomes.

Dr.Zoidberg
08-08-2014, 04:45 PM
The stars guide they do not force. So in my opinion a good astrological time is beneficial but work can still be done without waiting for a conjunction. There is nothing to stop you proceeding at a different time and then comparing the two separate outcomes.

Thank you, perhaps we will do this.

MarkostheGnostic
03-18-2015, 04:42 AM
:) Beautiful! Aesthetically pleasing, apothecary bottles and all.