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Andro
05-06-2014, 10:38 AM
This is a spin-off thread that evolved from: Fixation of Sea Salt towards the P-Stone (http://www.forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?656-Fixation-of-Sea-Salt-towards-the-P-Stone).

The Central Salt - It's been called quite a few names, such as 'Regenerated Salt of Nature', 'Centrum Naturae Congentratum', 'Sal Metallorum', 'The Androgynous Matter' (containing the 'Two Metallic Natures'), 'The Hidden Fire', 'The Center of the Earth', 'The Hidden Stone', 'The Stone' (St. Didier), etc...

To get things started, a (previously quoted) paragraph from Rusenstein - notice the first line:

Dissolve sea salt in fair water, but let it be SEA salt.

He is IMO very likely to speak of a different 'Sea' and of a different Salt.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/RusenSalt_zpsae72c17b.jpg

I'm suggesting a somewhat differentapproach to this...

Instead of only dealing with HOW, maybe it's time to also ask WHY (and sometimes WHAT).

WHY 'sea salt'?

WHAT 'sea' are we talking about?

WHY heat the salt? WHAT does/can the heating accomplish?

WHY melt the salt (or not)?

WHY dew?

WHY water/rainwater/'fair' water?

WHY Vinegar?

WHY does/can this process work, IF it works?

WHY doesn't it work, when it doesn't?

WHAT could make it possible for such 'agents' to significantly alter the properties of their 'patients'?

WHAT Keys are consistently being left out of the books/manuscripts?

I'm merely suggesting to also look for CAUSES, rather than merely studying/analyzing the common chemistry of EFFECTS.

It is my personal view that if we don't include Cause in our (equally important) study of Effect, we can read 10,000 more books and yet be none the wiser.

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crestind
05-06-2014, 04:25 PM
@Androgynus

Naturally that's being considered, but leads are generally few. The work of Kozyrev seems somewhat relevant. What are your thoughts on the why?

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Andro
06-01-2014, 08:04 PM
Note that this is the most secret and noble work in our art; for it consists in salt, in common salt as well as the metal salt, but it is quicker if the metal salt is used rather than common salt without the salt hois [???]; the metal salt only needs several dissolvings and coagulations and it is ready to be melted. this is because it has already been putrefied. But common salt must be dissolved about 100 times in order to putrefy and purify it. You cannot see this putrefaction, you can only smell it. For there is a corrosive spirit hiding in it, and only when this has been extracted is it pure. When it is pure it is of the consistency of wax and only needs a ferment, luna or sol.RUESENSTEIN_original.PDF

I very much agree with Herr Ruesenstein here...

Yes, various common salts can work, but the process can be long, tedious and I also doubt its final potency.

Herr Ruesenstein even subtly differentiates (in a quote of him I posted a bit earlier on this thread) between Sea Salt and OUR Sea Salt...

Guasco and others have long and tedious processes with common salt(s), and it takes LARGE amounts of common dew (or many many cycles) to process a comparably small quantity of salt.

Then, Herr Ruesenstein uses the term 'metal salt', otherwise known as 'Sal Metallorum' or 'Salt of Metals'. This is somehow a misnomer, because we are not talking about a known metallic salt, but of the Universal Central Salt, the 'Centrum Naturae Concentratum' (Ali Puli), which many Alchemists tend to associate with the metallic/mineral realm, but its origins are truly universal and it is present EVERYWHERE, only somewhat 'out of sight' (i.e. not readily available for collection in nature and not chemically defined by our chemistry).

I'm also not a fan of common dew as the Agent to operate on the Salt Patient - - - it has very little Celestial Fire, so large quantities are needed and the potency is comparatively quite low.

But for anyone not (yet) familiar with the Universal Center & Agency, the works with common dew and common salt(s) may indeed prove to be valuable experiments/experiences.

crestind
06-02-2014, 06:18 AM
What is "salt hois"? Would be easier to interpret what he says if this term was understood.

As far as the potency of dew, the Actum Leyden process seems to be a method of multiplying its power. I have heard the resulting product, which started as dew water saturated with sea salt at room temperature, becomes of a syrupy consistency.

Andro
06-03-2014, 02:53 PM
But for anyone not (yet) familiar with the Universal Center & Agency, the works with common dew and common salt(s) may indeed prove to be valuable experiments/experiences.

From an anonymous treatise (author unknown):


If one cannot find out the remedy, place one similar upon another similar and healing will result.

Salazius
12-12-2014, 02:21 PM
Herr Ruesenstein even subtly differentiates (in a quote of him I posted a bit earlier on this thread) between Sea Salt and OUR Sea Salt...

Then, Herr Ruesenstein uses the term 'metal salt', otherwise known as 'Sal Metallorum' or 'Salt of Metals'. This is somehow a misnomer, because we are not talking about a known metallic salt, but of the Universal Central Salt, the 'Centrum Naturae Concentratum' (Ali Puli), which many Alchemists tend to associate with the metallic/mineral realm, but its origins are truly universal and it is present EVERYWHERE, only somewhat 'out of sight' (i.e. not readily available for collection in nature and not chemically defined by our chemistry).

I'm also not a fan of common dew as the Agent to operate on the Salt Patient - - - it has very little Celestial Fire, so large quantities are needed and the potency is comparatively quite low.

But for anyone not (yet) familiar with the Universal Center & Agency, the works with common dew and common salt(s) may indeed prove to be valuable experiments/experiences.

I am too of that advice.

Your definition of the Central Salt, or is the best so far I've ever read. Thank you.


I've came across this salt seemingly. It freaked me out a bit, so to speak, because it is not behaving as a salt, but as a cell making mitosis, even if it's coming from a salt, but of course, modified through an alchemical process. It is like organic and no more "saline". It's a salt behaving completely differently of any other "crystalline structure".

I'm not a big fan either of Dew. Dew is a natural process, and as everything natural, we can, art.ifically, recreate it, with less pollution (dew nowaday is polluted), and better quantities.

Andro
12-12-2014, 03:26 PM
It is like organic...

Indeed :) (at least according to some of its 'behavior'/'properties')... Yet, it is still close in nature to a mineral, as well :)

That's what may have caused so much difficulty in naming/defining it.

It is neither exactly organic, metallic or mineral, BUT, evolutionary-wise, it could be said that it is closer to the mineral realm (just under it) than any other matter.

That's why I speculate it has also been called 'Salt of Metals'.

Thank you for the feedback!

Salazius
12-13-2014, 12:16 PM
This is the salt of salts. We could say it is the "first vitriol".

Yes it is not organic, metallic or mineral, but, it is organic, metallic and mineral in the same time... since it is the root of all salts.

We can get it from retrogradation from anything, since everything is "made out" of it.

A good example is mercury. Mercury as root of all metals. And we can get it from retrogradation of all metals.

And it is sometime easier with some metals than others. Some are just closer from the root.

It is exactly the same thing with the Central Salt of Nature.

Andro
12-13-2014, 02:26 PM
Salazius, Mon Cher :)

Although we're kind of repeating some of the things we have already shared in private meetings/conversations, I think it's good to contribute this to the forum as well.

There has been so much speculation and so many interpretations of this term (Central Salt), that it is good to discuss some of the principles behind it.

The title of this thread includes the words 'Sea Salt', but it doesn't have to be 'Sea Salt' exclusively.

The least 'cooked' matters/salts are the best candidates for retro-gradation, I would say...

Like you said:


It is the root of all salts. We can get it from retro-gradation from anything, since everything is "made out" of it.

I have come across an interesting 'candidate' lately, a very promising 'Venus' which is 'born' without hands, but I have to wait until spring when it gets a bit warmer, in order to work it in a Natural Way.

Salazius
12-14-2014, 11:37 AM
Spring can be art.ificially recreated too. That's the good news.

And to be noted that Spring time is our philosophical moment, of the spring.

Indeed as you stated before "our sea salt" can be different from "sea salt". The St Uber salt that is described in the Leyden Letter (St Uby in some other deformed letters), is the salt of the "sea in the sky".

A spring of niter.

alfr
12-14-2014, 06:06 PM
... Dew is a natural process, and as everything natural, we can, art.ifically, recreate it, with less pollution (dew nowaday is polluted), and better quantities.


Spring can be art.ificially recreated too...

Dew we can artificially, recreate? As?
And Spring can be artificially recreated? As?

Hi Salazius very interesting this sentence you say.

And you explain this well as create the dew artificially with less pollution also I here as you in nowadays I am in Italy here in my town where I live I have same problem of strong pollution so can explication as create dew and spring in laboratory I think that many here have a same problem of strong pollution in the town and near the town and no many can transfer ( for the work and for economy crisis etc ) in place with out pollution so can explain deep it ? about these themes I have only listened ( but i not have any date serious and concrete about these) that there are research in agriculture etc about these can give reference link article indication etc about these methodology and technique ?

Very thanks

My best regards alfr

Andro
12-15-2014, 01:01 PM
I think V.I.T.R.I.O.L. could come in handy here...

1. Visit the Interior of the Earth.

2. Rectify it. (some clues in earlier posts)

3. You have found the Hidden Stone.

Quite a recipe, I would say...

Salazius
12-15-2014, 02:02 PM
about these themes I have only listened ( but i not have any date serious and concrete about these) that there are research in agriculture etc about these can give reference link article indication etc about these methodology and technique ?

Thank you Alfr,

I read somewhere that fog and dew are 27% more polluted than rain water. Due to their volatility and the capacity to take the pesticides and other particles.

You are asking about the capacity to recreate by art, the Spring Time and the salt of Dew. You have to deeply understand what exaclty is going on in Nature at that time (also in autumn). And at least, in the overall cycle of the seasons. Once you get the keys, you can identify how, why, what, when. And then you can focus on what is important, essential, to recreate it.

Andro
12-15-2014, 06:11 PM
You know, you can water your garden/lawn with water from the faucet, but it is only during actual rainfall than abundant growth occurs.

I don't remember the details, but some years ago there was a scientific experiment to chemically recreate rainwater.

Anyway, those scientists managed to create an exact chemical replica of rainwater.

However, they failed to achieve the abundant growth and vitalization/quickening that occurs with genuine rainwater.

So it's not in the chemistry. It has to be 'alive'.

Always look for the 'Blind Passenger'.

Always look for the 'Hidden Hand'.

alfr
12-15-2014, 08:29 PM
Hi androgynus thank salazius


... those scientists managed to create an exact chemical replica of rainwater.

However, they failed to achieve the abundant growth and vitalization/quickening that occurs with genuine rainwater So it's not in the chemistry. It has to be 'alive'.

Always look for the 'Blind Passenger'.

Always look for the 'Hidden Hand'

Sure androgynus i am total agree with you ("Hidden Hand" the spark of life etc it is in imho is not possible still now create it in scientific laboratory for now ( inho is possinle only attract and manifest it no more) so dew and spring create in scentific laboratory is not the same result as that of natural cosmic sure )
And so is it for this i am ask salazius that he say that, because watah that he say about it is very very interesting and very important ( if is possible it ? ) but until now (and up to serious and concrete evidence different) in imho i think is not possible create spring and dew in laboratory i very hope this i am very happy if it is possible but i not think it is real possible and gave the same result as the true natural cosmic spring an dew.
But also i have also one very open mind ( and so i accept all the true new discoveries if there are it ) so if is possible in concrete and result it the same i accept it and i happy if it is possinle of can use it also because i see the orrible situation of polluted that made many difficult to work in some aspect universal of alchemy ( dew rain water etc) and so is more difficult if one life in town or near the town with there are much polluted
but i dont think it is possible create well it ( the true natural cosmic spring an dew ) in one laboratory (i have only listened it as a many many rumors about it but only rumors and not more and is for this about this many rumors i have ask if it is real possible it and if some experiment of scientific is arrived to create it .

Alchemy, Our Sea, and the "Hidden Hand"- the Spark of Life .

NOW for me alchemy is a some process near chimical sure ( and imho is not spiritual or similar excuses.. )

but the alchemy imho is also a one essential and indispensable interconnection with the ( our 'Hidden Hand' the spark of life etc it is in imho is not possible still create in scientific laboratory for now but maybe in future yes but maybe in future ). that for imho it is the forces of the nature the attraction by air sky etc the sideral influence ( air, sky sideral etc imho OUR SEA where there is the food of the life very well quoted and indicated by Sendivogius...etc ) the force the rays on the moon, and or of sun, star etc i think the varios magnet salt and the varius matter mineral metallic etc is different support there must atract or extract the Spark of Life ; for one example the famous SALT CENTRAL and the Firs V.I.T.R.I.O.L. or our True Nitro venus or mars in many text and ancient internal and reserved traditional manuscript is give all in different text and reserved manuscript give indication always is give about this Central Salt the indication to use for arrived at manifest it same and as matter for it use the Clay and land greasy rich of iron and copper ( nb leo rutilius/rogerc in this forum made veri interesting thread about it ) and ad exemple Ortelius in him commentary at the novun lumen chimicum of sendivogius (part of this commentary of Ortelius is in the file rams digital library), give precise indication very interesting indication to use as matter for create and extract by it the Central Salt the Bolus Rubens Armenus and it effloresence of it and the his varius synthesis of effloresence of the allumes plumoso etc and about it also thesauro theraurorum of the golden rose cross of the 1700 indicate well it but about it i will return well more in other post that i stay preparing on it) so in imho the different matters ( vegetable, human-animal, mineral, metatallic,universal,) use in alchemy and well preparateis only all a one support sure for the 'Hidden Hand hidden inside our sea the natural force as i have say before) that modification the matter well prepared for the action of the "Hidden Hand"or imho all the various influence of natural forces natural sideral air sky hot cold temperature, the ray of the moon or sun etc


(NB of course this is my opinion : that for made all alchemy work is not necessary spiritual rules or moral rules or state and condiction mental of meditation or similar excuses...for influence and transform the various matters etc alchemy for me is not this . So as have say for me it the alchemy is only on ancient process based on the one ancient science/chemical/physical etc in union with the very strict interconnection with the different cosmic natural force etc and this my opinion is based on data from that study and experimentation for a long time but also of course if about it arrived evidence different with other data serious and valid i well keep account other results )


my best regard alfr

Andro
12-16-2014, 08:35 AM
Alfr my dear, think PRINCIPLES, please!

We don't need to recreate Rain/Dew just like it is in nature. It's too weak for our purposes, anyway...

Jean Dubuis emphasizes the difference between Common Rain and Philosophical Rain. So does Von Welling.

The thread about 'The Iron Soul of Gold' reveals some of the Movers/Carriers of the 'Hidden Hand'.

(Many thanks and appreciation to True Initiate - formerly known as 'True Puffer' - for the insights he has generously shared & revealed on 'The Iron Soul of Gold')

Understand the Movers/Carriers first.

We cannot 'create' Spiritus Mundi/The Universal Spirit.

But, we can rectify a good starting Earth with a properly prepared agent, an agent that is somewhat close in properties (but not in chemistry) with the Universal Spirit, and the resulting Rectified Earth (Central Salt) will be of the same nature with the Universal Spirit (only differing in degree, "As Above So Below") and have great sympathy and attraction for it.

Both our 'Agent' and 'Patient' will have their properties significantly altered in the process of regenerating the Central Salt...

We could even keep the altered Agent for other purposes, more 'Particular' ones (Weidenfeld), but, like Von Welling writes, evaporating it works just as well for re-generating Our Center.

Some Alchemists are of the opinion that the first Agent and the Universal Spirit are one and the same in the first preparation.

I personally do not share this opinion, but it doesn't mean I'm right and they're wrong.

It is my personal and subjective view, given the qualitative similarity (in properties) between the fist ('manufactured') Agent and the Universal Spirit, that many Alchemists divert into High Spagyrics and are content with that, rather than continuing The Work forwards, towards the Universal.

This, however, does NOT mean that our 'manufactured' Agent is devoid of Spirit/'Hidden Hand'. It's in there, it just lacks the potency/concentration of pure, unspecified SM. This is also how I see the foundational difference between Universal Alchemy and High Spagyrics...

It's a little like Catch 22...

To rectify the Earth/Salt/Patient we need the Universal Spirit (returning it closer to its 'First Matter').
However, on the other hand, to attract/embody the Universal Spirit, we need its Rectified Earth/Center.

Much confusion arose (IMO) from writers such as Fulcanelli, who wrote that the Agent/Secret Fire can be 'manufactured' by Man. St. Didier already referred to this prepared/sublimed Salt/Center as 'The Stone'. However, he does differentiate between this initial 'Stone' and the final product.

I very much believe those Authors are referring to the 'next best thing', a 'Prima Materia-Like' agent/substance (Hermes Old & True Nature Path), to overcome this 'Catch 22'...

Please understand well what has been written on this thread and on other similar threads.

The will be no instructions and methodologies here, at least not from me.

You will hopefully design your own methods, just like every Advanced Alchemist I have ever met in my travels.

And please, read The Golden Chain and Opus Mago-Cabalisticum at least 10 times, if not 20 (I'm not joking!!! :))

They explain very well the Magnet ('Venus'), the Agency ('Mars'/'Niter'), the required Affinity of 'The Regenerated Earth' with 'The Heavens', etc...

I.M.S.U.

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alfr
12-16-2014, 08:41 PM
Hi dear androgynus all you write is very interesting thanks

but also a little to much hazard why you say : Much confusion arose (IMO) from writers such as Fulcanelli, who wrote that the Agent/Secret Fire can be 'manufactured' by Man. St. Didier already referred to this prepared/sublimed Salt/Center as 'The Stone'. However, he does differentiate between this initial 'Stone' and the final product.

so yuo know exact waht fulcanelli etc made ?

sorry but but say it it is a little hazard but sorry for say it you must know very well all process, and bebefore say it must have concrete realised of the process and you must have a concrete result and true feedback evidence of all these process so it a much little little hazard say what ? before you have well done the work of Fulcanelli or St. Didier etc and having serious and real and indisputable feedback evidence in what ?

about the share you say : The will be no instructions and methodologies here, at least not from me.

You will hopefully design your own methods, just like every Advanced Alchemist I have ever met in my travels

sure the base and the principle as very much imprtant sure

BUT sorry i respect you opinion but these is not absolutly the my and thre are not it wrong rules inside in my tradition alchemy rc ,to the contrary inside my ancient tradition alchemy rc to which I belonged was all the opposite of what we share all with any problem because we think that the alchemy knowledge spreading can change e save and give a other opportunity at all the humanity and more person wake up is well for all the future of the humanity ... i our opinion and in miho the spreading of the knowledge alchemicals can change this current infernal reality catastrophic of became slaves of the n.w.o. in one real paradise.... and so we continue to share open ..(alchemy ancient tradition rc from which I come and in which I participated and work in laboratory for many years ) and so ( by with about it we hate a one total different opinion ) and so i/ we continue to share very open also the method operative that now thaks at the modern time and modern research and translation now are public in biblioteque archive etc (before at that manuscript reserve can have acces exclusive only for person can have money ( for translation it ) and not are in one intellettual academic elit (Serious traditional data now publish in opposition to the rampant nonsense and flights of fancy and many inventions and pseudo modernist insights that have long plagued the research and experiments in alchemy)) and so i continue to share and put this methods because i think it is inside this ancient operative text and reserved manuscript we must take with good faro and traditional guild help and inside we can found many key and explication for all and not only for one elit so i continue to share opend also all these the ancient method found an translation inside the reserve of ancien manuscript example the instruction ancien for create the SALT CENTRAL by clay / bolus armenus rubens as say commentary of ortelius at the novum lumen chimicun ( part of this commentary it is in file rams digital library) and thesaurum tesaurorum and naxagora on chain gold omero etc so i dont know if these instruction and it principle indicate are complet or not but i think these is a good and serious base traditional of the ancient for to start for study (Serious traditional data now publish in opposition to the rampant nonsense and flights of fancy and many inventions and pseudo modernist insights that have long plagued the research and experiments in alchemy) and maybe to understood many important passage on the work alchemical

The Golden Chain and Opus Mago-Cabalisticum

you say :..And please, read The Golden Chain and Opus Mago-Cabalisticum at least 10 times, if not 20 (I'm not joking!!!.. ok sure so if you about it if you want can you quote more deep there some paragraph of this text that for you can give better indication about you say :They explain very well the Magnet ('Venus'), the Agency ('Mars'/'Niter') can give if you want your opinion and indicate the passage etc that give in your opinion a good clarification in these text

my best regard alfr

Andro
12-16-2014, 11:07 PM
Hi Alfr (& everyone reading this),


i respect you opinion

You said you respect my opinion. Fine. I'll take you up on your word.

My opinion is that you can't expect someone to 'indicate a passage' for you. Read the good books, many times if needed. Every passage needs context, and the books will give you context when you read them entirely, many times over.

My opinion is not to deny someone the quest and the joy of personal/direct Initiation (those precious 'aha' moments) by detailing various 'methods' or 'instructions'. From One Thing there are many Applications. More than one possible agent/patient combo to work with, towards the Re-Generated Central Salt of Nature.

My opinion is that someone should tailor their own path towards Initiation.

My opinion is that the books I've recommended are quite explicit on the current topic, but just one passage is of no use without context and a mind ready and open to receive.

My opinion is that I've already said more than enough on this topic and that I have as clearly as possible (for me) explained the difference between the Universal Spirit and a man-made Agent, plus the confusion added by writers who talk about knowledge of chemistry and making a 'Secret Fire' in the laboratory, and how (and why) this is different from the unspecified Universal Spirit, that cannot be 'made' by man. If it wasn't clear enough, either re-read OR my ability to express those concepts still needs improvement.

My opinion is that I genuinely wish you and everyone else the encounter with Revelation and the Wisdom to recognize it when it's right in front of you.

My opinion is that asking the 'higher' questions will lead to the 'higher' answers, eventually. Low-grade questions will inevitably lead to low-grade answers, IMO.


in miho the spreading of the knowledge alchemicals can change this current infernal reality catastrophic in a paradise

My opinion is that 'paradise' is inaccessible to those who are not able to handle what it might imply. I'm not sure I can. Also, everything 'catastrophic' is merely another step in evolution.

My opinion is that you are completely entitled to disagree with my opinion.

I have already answered, to the best of my ability and my current level of experience and understanding, the questions I cared enough to address. It's far from 'perfect', but it is what I am ready and willing to share at this time.

My 'answers' are not 'The Truth'. One should find their own, IMO.

Ignis Natura Renovatur Integra

Nature regenerates all the time.

The work of the Alchemist towards Re-Generating the Central Salt of Nature is no different in principle, only in degree.

That's all I can say for now, and please take it all with both skepticism and an open mind, simultaneously.
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"The Lips of Wisdom are Sealed Except to the Ears of Understanding"- Hermetic Axiom
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Best Everything.

alfr
12-16-2014, 11:22 PM
hi androgynus I repeat I respect what you say and your opinions, BUT as I said I and the ancient tradition traditional alchemical rc to which I belonged think and think in a totally different on sharing knowledge alchemical rules tradition etc exactly as so I have already explained, therefore I refer in all my previous post
but also you say :
That's all I can say for now, and please take it all with both skepticism and an open mind, simultaneously.

about this sure always about what I totally agree with you

NB anyway made clear this, well this ever differentiating and marking the different opinions you may well think more about what unites and neglecting that which divides always in mutual respect of the difference opiniom and ways to proceed and of sharing.And what can do well to starting by clear and open analysis about the very interesting text of Rusenstein on solve and coagula of the sea salt that you say maybe this recipe you have post is not it ? and water/ dew rain water always maybe you say ? that you have published in the first post of this thread.!
But still maintaining the mutual different opinions and ways of belonging to the tradition as well as the different ways of research and the sharing of the knowledge alchemical

with friendship Alfr

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Hi androgynus lo ripeto io rispetto ciò che tu dici e le tue opinioni MA come ho già detto io e la tradizione antica tradizione alchemica rc a cui ho appartenuto la penso e la pensiamo in maniera totalmente differente sulle condivisione conoscenze alchemiche regole della tradizione etc esattamente come cosi ho già esposto dunque mi rifaccio in tutto al mio post precedente

ma anche tu dici :
That's all I can say for now, and please take it all with both skepticism and an open mind, simultaneously.

circa ciò certo sempre su ciò sono totalmente d'accordo con te

NB comunque ben chiarito ciò e ben sempre differenziando ciò e marcando le differenti opinioni si puo ben ragionare sempre su cio che unisce e tralasciare cio che divide sempre nel rispetto reciproco delle differenti opinioni e modi di procedere e di condividere . E a cio si puo ben fare a partire dalla chiara e aperta analisi del molto interessante testo di Rusenstein su solve e coagula di sale di mare tu dici (che la ricetta che tu hai postato) forse non è cio ? e acqua / rugiada e pioggia iden tu dici forse ? che che hai pubblicato nel primo post di questo thread.!
Ma pur sempre mantenendo le reciproche differenti opinioni e modi di appartenere alla tradizione nonche I differenti modi di ricerca e di condivisione delle conoscenze alchemiche

con amicizia alfr

crestind
12-18-2014, 02:49 AM
I'm currently incubating some NaCl in a solution of ammonium hydroxide and ammonium chloride.

Andro
12-18-2014, 08:03 AM
I'm currently incubating some NaCl in a solution of ammonium hydroxide and ammonium chloride.

The Mutus Liber does indeed depict some sort of 'Sal Ammoniac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal_ammoniac)' as part of the combo it suggests.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/MutusLiberDetail_zps83d668a0.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/SalAmmoniacSymbol_zps86c520ab.jpg

If we wish to go/try this way, it would need to be 'alive' in order to perform such a demanding Agency. This goes for any combo we might work with, and there's a bit more to it...
Like, for example, putrefaction and/or application of the Law of Mediums for the passing of Matter from one state to another (see 'Golden Chain').

Leo/RogerC wrote extensively about this on the Celestial Agriculture (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2451-The-Celestial-Agriculture) thread.
I strongly recommend to read that thread in its entirety.

An interesting way to 'test' our potential agent(s) could be to add it (in small quantities) to a balding grass patch (for example), and see if it has some 'revitalizing' potency like common rain has.

On a slightly different note:

'The Golden Chain' also provides a description of the actual physical appearance of 'our' Salt, when it has reached its 'sublime' state as the 'New Earth', ready to be 'sown' with the Universal Spirit/Seed.

Andro
12-18-2014, 09:20 AM
Addendum:

Since there is more than one way to Re-Generate our 'New Earth', I also recommend reading the second part of THIS POST (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2352-water-which-wets-not-the-hands&p=16449#post16449) that I wrote quite some time ago.

Here is an excerpt:



I know that, as many authors who seem reliable, follow different methods for their first purification and the extraction of their Sal Metallorum. Grasshof, for example, says that we can use different methods to perform that first purification. On the other hand, Limojon de St Didier and Fulcanelli, teach a wholly different protocol [...]
Now, as I believe that you have worked with urea, dew and others matters in the past, you can inform us if you had any success following that approach.

Not urea, urine. And dew, saliva and other body fluids. During the process of working with those matters, I began to realize that they are NOT the materials/ingredients to 'manufacture' The Stone, but merely potential candidates to serve as Ph. Magnets for the Spiritus Mundi. The Ph. Magnet should possess certain qualities, no matter what matter(s) it was prepared from. We may get some good hints of what these QUALITIES are from some old so-called 'recipe' manuscripts, which are in fact merely directions for preparing magnets (IMO) and even so, many of those magnet 'recipes' are still incomplete (like the infamous 'Actum Leyden' document, for example).

I believe all the Authors you mention speak of valid protocols for preparing the Ph. Magnet. It does not need to be a metal or a mineral ore.

The most important thing for the PH. Magnet is to possess the desired attributes for facilitating the attraction and fixation of SM.

The starting material for the Ph. Magnet can be one of several, and the same goes for agents of 'purification'.

alfr
12-22-2014, 08:12 AM
hi every one

Magnet/central salt and the water that does not wet your hand

about the Magnet/central salt it principles of and principle of it mainifistation etc and where you also seek and as found it .
And where and how we can also found in it the famous water that does not wet your hands ( NB and the important efflorecence that must see appear and necessary arrived and appear on the matter ather the correct exposition in the natural force air moon etc for so we can know tha the matter is ready to elaboration : liscivare distillation calcination etc ) and can we see in the it chapter there are a strict connection with the indication gived about it in the golden chain omere so imho this is very important this chapter of the 3 part published in French by Editions sesheta ( small publishing house that has among various subjects of occultism imho of little interest... but instead has a good series of translations of rare texts of the Rosicrucian tradition) link:
http://www.sesheta-publications.com/collections-livres/rose-croix/chaine-d-or-d-homere.html

here i quote integral it (sorry it is in france language maybe please salazius can help in translation well of it )

about this indication on central sal by the edition sesheta are very imprtant also other 2 book about the golden rose cross tradition titled; toeltius coelum reseratum chymicum link:
http://www.sesheta-publications.com/collections-livres/rose-croix/coelum-reseratum-chymicum.html

and : la veritable parfaite preparation de la pierre philosophale enseignee a un ami par un chevalier rose croix link:
http://www.sesheta-publications.com/collections-livres/rose-croix/veritable-preparation-pierre-philosophale-rose-croix.html

about these importante document rc in future we will go more deep

my best regard alfr

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....CHAPITRE XI
COMMENT TROVVER LE ( ICI SIMBOL DE SEL) HYLEALIQUE A PARTIR DU CHAOS PRIMORDIAL.

Le Chaos Primordial n'est rien d'autre que de la terre. Car à cet endroit, l'ancien Père Isaac dit à son fils Jacob, Genèse 27, 28.

"Puisse-t-il t'enrichir, le Seigneur, de la rosée des cieux et des sucs de la terre..."

Ceci est sûrement lu par beaucoup de gens, mais compris par peu d'entre eux. Car la terre est pleine des forces et de la magnificence du seigneur. Le ciel recueille les bénédictions d'en haut, humidifie la terre et la rend fertile.

66. Un Rave.

AUREA CATENA HOMERI
Au printemps, il arrive avec la pluie et la rosée, et en automne, il se retire et retourne là d'oh il vient. Ceci n'est rien d'autre que le vrai ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) astral ou mercuriel, qui peut être gardé très pur, à partir d'une terre vierge adamique, qui est à trouver entre les racines des végétaux, car la terre porte un aimant magnétique en elle : c'est pour cette raison que de tels aimants attirent à eux l'esprit universel, et deviennent un ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) gras.
Ce ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) n'est pas encore spécifié, il n'est ni animal, ni végétal, ni minéral, mais plutôt complètement pur, et universel, propre à toutes choses, parce qu'il contient et possède l'esprit universel et le baume magnétique en grande quantité ; quant à la manière d'y parvenir, je vais te l'enseigner dès à présent.
Si tu connais un endroit oh trouver, au début de l'année, un beau sol noir, gras et glaiseux, ou une terre rouge solaire, comme dans une prairie ou un champ cultivable, alors rends-toi là-bas à l'aube, creuse un trou à hauteur des genoux, afin de n'avoir ni herbes ni racines.
Prends au moins 24. Centner de cette terre, laisse-la étalée pendant jours et nuits par un temps clair et lumineux, la meilleure période étant en mai.
Mais s'il devait pleuvoir, tu devrais la couvrir de planches. Passé ce laps de temps, lorsque la terre a formé des efflorescences, emporte-la à l'abri dans ta maison.
Rends-toi dès lors à l'endroit oh travaillent les femmes, munis-toi d'un tonneau en bois, comme les salpêtriers, qui a été renforcé en bas avec des soutiens et possédant une bonde ou des tubes (ou boute).
Place une quantité de terre brute à l'intérieur, puis de l'air au-dessus, puis verses-y assez d'eau pure pour que la terre se transforme en boue. Prends alors une marmite d'eau chaude, que tu peux d'ailleurs utiliser dès le début.

Pag 466

PARTIE 3 - CHAPITRE XI
Verses-en assez pour recouvrir la terre et qu'elle la dépasse de la hauteur d'une main, ferme le bidon et laisse-le ainsi pendant un jour et une nuit, ensuite ouvre le trou de la bonde tout en bas, et laisse le liquide couler dans une bassine placée en dessous, procède ainsi avec toute la terre.
Place cette lessive dans un chaudron en cuivre, et fais-la évaporer de moitié. Si des cristaux se forment, alors place le chaudron dans un endroit frais, ainsi après peu de jours, un ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) va se déposer au fond, tel un ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SALPETRE ) , mais qui ne brûle pas, comme le fait le vulgaire.
Ce ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) , retire-le, et fais encore évaporer la moitié de la lessive, puis sors-la du feu, alors encore plus de ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) va se former, et continue ceci jusqu'à ce qu'aucun ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) ne se forme plus, purifie le ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) en le dissolvant, le filtrant, coagulant et le cristallisant, aussi longtemps qu'il le faut avec de la rosée ou de l'eau de pluie, jusqu'à ce qu'il devienne entièrement cristallin et transparent.
Ainsi tu tiens entre tes mains le vrai ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SALPETRE ), qui plane dans la mer du monde, et qui, lorsqu'on le trouve, est une eau qui ne mouille pas les mains, c'est un ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) sans lequel rien ne peut naître au monde.
A présent, prends une livre de ton ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) noble, broie-le dans un mortier en verre, mélange-le à sa propre terre que tu as auparavant calcinée, humidifie-la avec de l'eau de pluie, et fais-en des boulettes, que tu sécheras au soleil.
On peut également placer au soleil l'air aui a été mélangé au ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ), et imbiber une telle terre — ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) avec de la rosée ou de l'eau de pluie pendant un mois, afin que l'esprit de ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE MERCURE ) s'y accroisse, fais-en dès lors des boulettes.
Remplis la moitié d'une retorte avec ces boulettes, qui ont été bien écrasées, place-la dans un four, et ferme-la en y installant un grand condenseur, dans lequel tu as rajouté au moins 2 livres d'eau de pluie ; distille ainsi

PAG 467

l'esprit et le ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) en les faisant s'élever, et procède ainsi avec le reste, jusqu'à ce que tu aies élevé et séparé tout le ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) et le sublimé.
Verse ensuite ton sublimé accompagné de ton ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) dans un alambic, et distille-le au bain-marie pour en séparer le phlegme, après cela place l'alambic dans une chapelle de sable et distille à nouveau l'esprit en le faisant s'élever ; garde celui-ci à part, car il doit être distillé plusieurs fois.
Ensuite donne un fort feu, alors le ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) se sublime dans le chapiteau.
Il doit se sublimer assez longtemps pour que plus aucune fèce ne reste dans l'alambic, et celui-ci doit être bien mis de côté et conservé.
Dès à présent, prends le Caput Mortuum et extrais-en le ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) avec de l'eau de pluie distillée.
Purifie ce dernier par la dissolution et la coagulation, jusqu'à ce qu'il soit bien pur et transparent comme un ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SALPETRE ) .
Par la suite, mets ensemble l'esprit et le ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SEL ) dans une fiole, et place-les à digérer dans la vapeur, jusqu'à ce que tout se soit transformé en une eau.
Ainsi tu tiens entre tes mains une vraie liqueur universelle, avec lequel on peut préparer le vrai ( ICI LE SYMBOLE DE LE SOLEIL OU DE LE OR ) Potable et une puissante teinture, comme je vais te l'enseigner, mon fils, dans le travail en aval.....

Ghislain
12-22-2014, 10:15 AM
from google translate:

http://www.sesheta-publications.com/...-d-homere.html

Collectanea Rosicruciana:

COLLECTION DEDICATED TO WRITTEN TRADITION "ROSE + CROSS"

Ancient Texts and Modern, from the seventeenth to the twentieth century.


Alchemy, Mysticism, Magic, Hermeticism, Kabbalah & Theurgy.

Coelum Reseratum Chymicum

Heaven Chymical Open

of J. G. Toeltius



Translated from the German by French Béatrice Descamps.
Introduction Fred MacParthy.


Alchemy Rose Gold Cross of the seventeenth century. One of the few books of alchemy clearly describing the different ways and knacks to obtain the Philosopher's Stone, as described in its title:

"That is to say, the Philosophical Treaty which proved quite frankly, not only the material and the Secret to prepare the Philosopher's Stone in both the preliminary work that further, but also to draw four Kingdoms of Nature the Astral realms, Pet, Plant & Mineral, perfect and priceless Dyes and Medicine, both for conservation of Health and Life for Improving and Transmutation of Metals defective. Written and accompanied by figures, for fans of True Hermetic Philosophy, by someone who knows her. "

This book also includes comments from the Rosicrucian Johann Carl von Frisau, Rosicrucian Golden Ancien system, adding practical keys for each chapter of the book.

Legend has it that the text circulated for years, only in manuscript form in the Rosi-Crucien environment and that they would have bought the manuscript for Duplicates 6000, to a publisher who wanted to publish it.

This book is now famous for the book "A Rosicrucian unknown between the seventeenth and seventeenth centuries Federico Gualdi or Auguste Melech Hultazob prince of Achin. With many rare or unpublished texts and documents to be used in a history of the Rosicrucians Gold ", by A. De Danann, Archy Publishing (2006) and" The Magic of the Golden Rosicrucians "by the same publisher in 2009.


Catena Aurea Homeri
In the spring, sometimes with rain and dew, and autumn, he retired and returned to where he came oh. This is nothing other than the real (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) astral or mercury, which can be kept very pure Adamic from a virgin land, which is found between plant roots because earth has a magnetic magnet in it: it is for this reason that such magnets attract to themselves the universal spirit, and become one (HERE SIMBOL oF SALT) fat.
This (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) is not yet specified, it is neither animal nor vegetable, or mineral, but completely pure and universal fit for all things, because it contains and has the universal spirit and magnetic balm in large quantities; on how to do this, I will teach you now.
If you know a place oh find at the beginning of the year, a beautiful black soil, rich and loamy red earth or sun, as in a grassland or arable field, then go up there at dawn , digs a hole at knee height to have neither grass nor roots.
Take at least 24. Centner of this earth, let it spread out for days and nights with a bright and clear weather, the best time is in May.
But if it were raining, you should cover it with planks. After this time, when the earth formed blooms, carries it to the shelter in your house.
Make yourself once at the point oh working women, armed yourself with a wooden barrel, such as saltpeter, which was reinforced bottom with support and having a bung and tube (or snap).
Place a quantity of raw earth inside, and the air above, and also pour enough pure water to the earth turns into mud. Then take a hot water pot, you can also use early on.



PART 3 - CHAPTER XI
Pour out enough to cover the earth, and it exceeds the height of a hand, closes the can and let him well for a day and a night, then opens the drain hole at the bottom, and leaves the liquid flow into a basin placed below, and proceeds with the earth.
Place the laundry in a copper pot, and let it evaporate half. If crystals form, then put the pot in a cool place, so after a few days, one (HERE SIMBOL OF SALT) will settle to the bottom, like a (HERE OF THE SIMBOL NITRE) but do not burn, as does the vulgar.
This (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT), removes it, and still do evaporate half the laundry, then go out from the heat, so even more (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) will be formed, and continues this until no (SIMBOL HERE tO SALT) no longer form, purifies (SIMBOL HERE tO SALT) in the solvent, the filter, coagulant and crystallizing as long as necessary with dew or rain water, until it becomes fully crystalline and transparent.
So you hold in your hands the real (HERE OF THE SIMBOL NITRE), which hovers in the sea of the world, and, when found, is water that does not wet the hands, it's a (ICI tHE SALT OF SIMBOL) without which nothing can be born in the world.
Now, take a pound of tone (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) noble, crushes it in a glass mortar, mix it with his own land that you previously calcined moistens it with rainwater , and make into balls, you Sécheras the sun.
Can also be placed in the sun the air was mixed with aui (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) and imbibe such land - (HERE SIMBOL OF SALT) with dew or rain water for a months so that the spirit of (HERE SIMBOL MERCURY) it multiply, do with them once dumplings.
Fill half a retort with these balls, which were well crushed it up in a furnace, and shut up by installing a large condenser, in which you added at least 2 pounds of rainwater; and distilled.


mind and (HERE SIMBOL OF SALT) by the rise, and so proceed with the rest until you had all the high and separated (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) and the sublime .
Then pour your sublimated accompanied tone (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) in a still and distills it in a water bath to separate the phlegm after that places the sand still in a chapel and distilled again the mind doing it to rise; guard thereof in part, because it must be distilled multiple times.
Then provides a high heat, then the (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) is sublime in the marquee.
It must sublimate long enough for most any FECE remains in the still, and it must be well set aside and stored.
Now, take the Mortuum-Caput and extract it in the (SIMBOL HERE TO SALT) with distilled water rain.
Purifies it through the dissolution and coagulation, until very pure and transparent as (HERE OF THE SIMBOL NITRE).
Thereafter, putting together the mind and (HERE SIMBOL OF SALT) in a jar, and place them to digest in the steam until everything is transformed into water.
So you hold in your hands a real universal liquor, with which the real can be prepared (HERE OF THE SIMBOL SOLEI OR PRODUCT OR) Drinking and powerful dye, as I will teach you, my son, in the work downstream .....


Ghislain

Nibiru
12-25-2014, 03:27 PM
Thank you Androgynus for starting this thread!

Though 'Central Salt' may not be the same thing as 'our sea-salt', when I hear of 'our sea-salt' I am brought back to what I read in "The Golden Chain of Homer", in that book he mentions a specific salt as 'our sea-salt' and it is not sodium chloride. If 'The Golden Chain' is correct then you guys are on to something here:


I'm currently incubating some NaCl in a solution of ammonium hydroxide and ammonium chloride.




The Mutus Liber does indeed depict some sort of 'Sal Ammoniac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal_ammoniac)' as part of the combo it suggests.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/MutusLiberDetail_zps83d668a0.jpg



If we wish to go/try this way, it would need to be 'alive' in order to perform such a demanding Agency. This goes for any combo we might work with, and there's a bit more to it...
Like, for example, putrefaction and/or application of the Law of Mediums for the passing of Matter from one state to another (see 'Golden Chain').

Leo/RogerC wrote extensively about this on the Celestial Agriculture (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?2451-The-Celestial-Agriculture) thread.
I strongly recommend to read that thread in its entirety.

An interesting way to 'test' our potential agent(s) could be to add it (in small quantities) to a balding grass patch (for example), and see if it has some 'revitalizing' potency like common rain has.

On a slightly different note:

'The Golden Chain' also provides a description of the actual physical appearance of 'our' Salt, when it has reached its 'sublime' state as the 'New Earth', ready to be 'sown' with the Universal Spirit/Seed.


..and I'm not sure if this is a 'central salt' or not, but here is a photo of a salt that I was able to extract from a common 'earth' that seems to have strange properties. From my understanding, this 'salt' is able to be extracted from just about any matter using the method I utilized to obtain what is shown in this image:
http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/18/23/68/27/photo10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/view/18236827/56)

Andro
12-25-2014, 04:05 PM
From my understanding, this 'salt' is able to be extracted from just about any matter.

Theoretically YES, but some matters are so much easier to work with.

That's why I don't think it's the best idea to start with various 'instructions', 'methods', etc... Different Authors worked with different matters and agents, so what we read is only their own applications, not the laws governing the re-generation of 'Our Salt of Nature'. (Note well the term 'RE-Generation').

Yes, we can 'dig a knee-deep hole by a tree' and take some starting matter from there... I know Alchemists who have experimented with it and eventually ended up finding more convenient matters...

So we must understand the laws governing the Re-Generation of 'Our Salt', and pick a matter (or matters) best suited to our manner of operation, because this Center of Nature is EVERYWHERE.

Also, I would prefer to use the term 'regeneration' rather than 'extraction'. It is, in a sense, a 'New Birth' of sorts...

Nibiru
12-25-2014, 04:20 PM
Also, I would prefer to use the term 'regeneration' rather than 'extraction'. It is, in a sense, a 'New Birth' of sorts...

Well I was born caesarian, so technically I was extracted :p but I understand your point :)

Andro
12-25-2014, 04:25 PM
Well I was born cesarean.

So was I... But Generation came before Extraction :)
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Maybe we could, at some point (and on a different thread) explore possible connections between Caesarian Birth and innate Alchemical Inclinations?

Nibiru
12-25-2014, 06:21 PM
So was I... But Generation came before Extraction :)
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Maybe we could, at some point (and on a different thread) explore possible connections between Caesarian Birth and innate Alchemical Inclinations?

Sounds interesting.. And I should of clarified, the salt that I birthed 'caesarian' is what's shown precipitated in the bottom of the container, while the sublime birth/re-generation is shown forming in the wavy pattern above. After the initial extraction, the sublimation/growth took place at room temperature with no further work.

Dendritic Xylem
12-26-2014, 02:16 AM
After the initial extraction, the sublimation/growth took place at room temperature with no further work.

Is it possible that it might be a fungus? Or are you sure it is a salt? If it's a salt, that is very interesting it sublimated so high up the glass at such low temp. How long did this take?

Nibiru
12-26-2014, 05:57 PM
Is it possible that it might be a fungus? Or are you sure it is a salt? If it's a salt, that is very interesting it sublimated so high up the glass at such low temp. How long did this take?

Hello Dendritic Xylem, to the best of my knowledge it is a 'salt'. I feel that the reason it appears as a "fungus" growth rather than crystalline is because it contains 'life' beyond only mineral IMO. I'm not certain how long, as it still continues to grow/birth, but I can say that I've come to the realization that time does play a vital role in most alchemical processes. My theory is that the prepared/Caesarian-salt is acting as a 'magnet' to attract spirit, this in-turn may be causing the evolution and growth/re-birth of the matter climbing the sides of the glass. Hope this helps..

Andro
12-26-2014, 06:35 PM
If it's a salt, that is very interesting it sublimated so high up the glass at such low temp.

'Living' salts sometimes seem to possess 'Levity' (i.e. rising up to the top/Ph. Sky/etc), depending on which Principle (the Fixed or the Volatile) has the upper hand in the RE-Generation.

Dendritic Xylem
12-27-2014, 12:53 AM
Thank you both for the clarifications :)

Dendritic Xylem
12-27-2014, 01:13 AM
I feel that the reason it appears as a "fungus" growth rather than crystalline is because it contains 'life' beyond only mineral IMO......My theory is that the prepared/Caesarian-salt is acting as a 'magnet' to attract spirit...

http://www.rexresearch.com/littlefield/littlefield.htm


When the mineral salts of organic nature are charged with the vital force they take on a radiate structure as shown on the following illustrations:

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/littlef6a_zps16ce8a0a.jpg http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/littlef6b_zps5850288f.jpg


A cat remained dead two hours, and during this time was allowed to remain in the hot sun until rigor mortis had set in. The corpse was then placed upon the heated porcelain and powder applied, and the animal returned to consciousness within five minutes.

Salazius
01-02-2015, 12:29 PM
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/17/05/29/aurea_10.jpg

The Leyden Letter clearly states : the Sea Salt, is St Uber (above) salt...

alfr
01-05-2015, 01:39 PM
hi salazius very interesting thank this pag of chain of omero in wath manuscript becane coll pubblic library or archive etc ?

thanks my best regarda alfr

can also give some indication as made dew in laboratory ? as you have say thanks

Salazius
01-05-2015, 02:33 PM
Hi Alfr,

This page comes from the Manly P hall collection. Unfortunately the version of MPH is not complete, but contains some precious reflexions, that he sidenoted.

Well, of what is composed dew ?
Water and Salts.

Where are they and to what are they exposed ?

alfr
01-05-2015, 03:17 PM
Hi salazius thanks have you a link of it mss MPH version ?
dew yes is water and sal nitato of ammonium and is expose it in the night moon and in spring ? so we must do it?
but if we made it is the same result we have in natur form ?

my best regard alfr

Andro
01-05-2015, 03:43 PM
So we must do it?
But if we made it is the same result we have in natur form?

IMO, no better way to find out than:

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/JustDoIt_zpsf2b76aaa.jpg


Dew yes is water and sal nitato of ammonium and is expose it in the night moon and in spring?

And here is one of the Emblems that are sometimes found together with the 'Chemical Moonshine' manuscript, I'm sure you know it.

It could provide some inspiration...

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/ChemicalMoonshineEmblem1_zpsd46bf0de.jpg
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We have:

1. Polarization

2. Separation (of Passenger from Carrier)

3. Manifestation/RE-Generation

(This is my personal, greatly simplified and very basic conceptual base, but I think it conveys the message...)

Salazius
01-05-2015, 04:46 PM
Alfr,

Take confidence, and try.

IMHO you don't ask yourself enough question :) Ask yourself questions, try to visualize the process in your mind and try to see what happens up there, with all the parameters.
Then, replicate it in your "below" your lab.

Arrakis
01-08-2015, 04:40 AM
Hello,
We all know that there are different ways to get to the Stone, but when it comes to using the radiations from "above" there should be both moon and sun. In some engravings there's just sun as well as in others there's just moon. The Mutus Liber shows both together, two powerful polarities gathered in one.

Salazius
01-08-2015, 05:21 PM
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/17/05/29/img_5410.jpg

Salazius
01-08-2015, 05:31 PM
We all know that there are different ways to get to the Stone, but when it comes to using the radiations from "above" there should be both moon and sun.

In some engravings there's just sun as well as in others there's just moon. The Mutus Liber shows both together, two powerful polarities gathered in one.

Yes, but everything is a question of timing then :)

If you read Fulcanelli with attention he says that sunlight should never touch the matter during the ultimate coction. Because everything that cooks, grows, maturates is always, always out of sunlight, enclosed in a shell, a womb, a crack in the earth.

Sunlight is agressive, and it is only when the matter/baby, news born is strong enough, mature enough that he can bear both sun light AND air/atmosphere.

Arrakis
01-09-2015, 04:16 AM
Sure, that's why I asked in a different thread how to fit the sun force (not necessarily with it's light) without spoil the life in the matter.
In the other hand, as I said, there are many different ways, and in some, the air and everything in the athmosphear (except sunlight) is the starting point of the GW.
Nice engraving!

Andro
01-11-2015, 07:35 PM
"Every Microcosm, every inhabited region, has a Center; that is to say, a Place that is Sacred above All."- Mircea Eliade


One can seek and take this precious Matter in the caves, on the plains and in the Mountains, one finds it in all the paces of the inhabited Earth.- Chemical Moonshine


To you, say I, the Philosophical Heaven stands open, and you shall have the knowledge of the Central Natural Salt hidden in all things, and be its Master; which Central Salt, as the Body of Nature, remains incorruptible in all eternity. Then you will have an understanding of the Central Salt, Body of Nature; so will you also recognize God still better, and learn to understand and know the whole Basis of Nature, also come to know in the work, that the wind has carried your sought-for spirit in its belly.- Chemical Moonshine


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alfr
01-11-2015, 11:07 PM
Hi
now the Chemical Moonshine from which are extracted and these very interesting quotes but as in a previous thread as also said androgynus in it (see the very interesting post of the thread)
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/archive/index.php/t-2071-p-3.html
Chemical Moonshine exists a much more complete and operational uses as key FOR OBTAIN THE CENTRAL SALT salt prepared and obtain by the dew... is the version given by bacstrom and is in the collection of the MPH collection
Now I try and walk more interesting it

i my best regards Alfr

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Hi
ora del Chemical Moonshine da cui derivano e sono estratte queste molto interessanti citazioni ma come in un thread precedente come anche diceva in esso anche androgynus (vedere i post del thread ) http://forum.alchemyforums.com/archive/index.php/t-2071-p-3.html
del Chemical Moonshine esiste una versione molto più completa ed operativa che usa come chiave PER OTTENERE IL SALT CENTRALE il sale elaborato e ottenuto dalla rugiada... è la versione data da bacstrom ed è nella collezione della MPH collection
Adesso lo cerco e i passi più interessanti di esso

i mie migliori saluti alfr

alfr
01-22-2015, 06:54 PM
Hello everyone
about spiritus mundi secret fire etc and the golden chain homero and von Bernus I consider interesting to report an analysis of a friend ( that he is very great and serious researcher and investigator alchemical and which has seen very valid teachers) and that in a important forum French would say the move toward interesting research

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bonjour
pour von bermus l'acide nitrique est le spiritus mundi, le dragon céleste. La fixation du dragon céleste grace son aimant qui est le vrai sel secret des philosophes qui est

est une pierre non pierre selon le cosmopolite et selon basil valentin et c'est notre azot . cette réunion donne selon von bermus le feu secret salin . La vérité joue à cache cache .

Quand on pense à l'AUREA CATENA qui désigne le nitre comme l'acier et le sel commun comme aimant .

HENRI

my best regard alfr

Hello everyone
i have report here the my post posted in the thread titled : What is the Secret Fire? because I think it is also interesting to make contributions to the research analysis developed in this thread

regard

alfr
01-27-2015, 04:10 PM
Chemical Moonshine and dew work and esperiment on electricity/electro-magnetic etc of bacstron for attract and coaguler spiritus mundi

about it see also in this thread the very interesting part poste by T.I. ( ex true puffer) on the original Chemical Moonshine manuscript of the collection MPH that it is more deep and complete http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1832-Dew-Path&p=24762#post24762

regard alfr

Dendritic Xylem
01-28-2015, 11:24 PM
Chemical Moonshine and dew work and esperiment on electricity/electro-magnetic etc of bacstron for attract and coaguler spiritus mundi

about it see also in this thread the very interesting part poste by T.I. ( ex true puffer) on the original Chemical Moonshine manuscript of the collection MPH that it is more deep and complete http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?1832-Dew-Path&p=24762#post24762

Can someone please attach a copy of the linked version of Chemical Moonshine. The file was removed from the download page. I tried messaging you Alfr, but your inbox is full.

Salazius
01-29-2015, 09:27 AM
Here is another interesting vision/version about what we were speaking about :

http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/17/05/29/nitre_10.jpg

Andro
01-29-2015, 09:56 AM
Can someone please attach a copy of the linked version of Chemical Moonshine. The file was removed from the download page.

I can supply the PDF/text (Manly P. Hall version/manuscript), but is there anyone here who can host it permanently on their own website?

Meanwhile, I've uploaded it to scribd.com - HERE (https://www.scribd.com/doc/254066115/Chemical-Moonshine-Ms).

Salazius
01-29-2015, 11:41 AM
The problem with scribd is that you have to be registered.

I can host it permanently on my Mega Upload if you want me to.

Here is the jpeg good quality version + pdf light version + another version of the text found on the net in pdf + the copy of some infos i had on the book on the net. MP Hall.

https://mega.co.nz/#!shVzVQrb!hIS5Ojf65MAGT3iB3ouGL7eqDIsAiQrZVxoV3xt 9P2Q

JDP
01-29-2015, 11:42 AM
I can supply the PDF/text (Manly P. Hall version/manuscript), but is there anyone here who can host it permanently on their own website?

Meanwhile, I've uploaded it to scribd.com - HERE (https://www.scribd.com/doc/254066115/Chemical-Moonshine-Ms).

All those Bacstrom manuscripts can be found permanently hosted here:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Bacstrom%2C+Sigismon d%22

Dendritic Xylem
01-29-2015, 12:33 PM
Thank you everyone!