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01-20-2015, 01:22 AM
Any thoughts on the similarities amongst these compounds?

Ethanol ("spiritus vini" ?)

Acetic Acid ("vinegar")

{Potassium} bitartrate ("tartar" "cream of tartar")

Acetone (???)

Obviously the acetic/ethanol similarity isn't a big deal as it's just one oxidation step away, but what about the bitartrate and acetone? ORMUS is supposedly attracted to hydrocarbons... I know it's not the spirit but there seems to be some connection?

Dendritic Xylem
01-20-2015, 04:15 PM
The inclusion of carbon is a defining characteristic of organic compounds.
Organic compounds form the basis for all earthly life, according to wikipedia.
So it seems maybe carbon based matter could be viewed as a unique magnet.

01-20-2015, 04:57 PM
Not yet quite sure how this can be related, it has a sort of 'biblical carbonic' spin to it, but here it is:


07-04-2015, 03:57 AM
Some more relevant information.

Makes more sense now, how it all connects. Generally these substances are used to extract (slowly react to form new salts).

The tartar is often times described as being boiled with something else (mentioned in Paracelsus a bit and other places) and you'd get a tartrate of the element.
Vinegar forms acetate salts.
Ethanol forms... something.

So I guess it could be said that tartar is like the dry version of ethanol or vinegar. Anyways the resultant products of these various carboxylates are generally dry distilled to decomposition, and the resultant products are then recombined and manipulated in other common alchemical ways to form materials charged with SM. With a bit of luck you'll be drinking pina coladas on a private island in the Caribbean in no time.

So I would say that if we wanted to add "spirit" to materials these substances and others in the same class of materials would be a good starting point, carboxylates, ketones, etc.

Electro / Magnetism [Indirect ways of pulling in] => Spirit (heating, various operations such as distillation, cohobation, sublimation as well as certain key chemicals such as merc, merc salts or am salts or other things) In various combinations.

This does not explain at all the key question of why these materials can seemingly attract spirit, but I think it does show some basic connections at least on how they are operated with.