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Ghislain
04-20-2015, 09:06 AM
Here is a simple description of the acetate path in simple English.

The acetate path: Obtaining Consciousness from metal (http://www.kymiaarts.com/blog/the-acetate-path)

Ghislain

Michael Sternbach
04-20-2015, 05:04 PM
Very interesting introduction to the topic.

I wonder, is the copper acetate identical with the Green Lion?

amoodikh
04-22-2015, 09:50 PM
Here i got 3 in 1: The mercury liquid, the yellow sulfur and the volatile salt. My substance that i started with was pyrite.

http://i.imgur.com/9NzYgpu.jpg?2

True Initiate
04-23-2015, 07:36 AM
Rubaphilos has published his revelations on Acetate Path for free.
http://www.rubaphilos.com/texts/Hermes%20Paradigm%20Book%20III%20%28digital%20vers ion%29.pdf

Salazius
04-23-2015, 07:56 AM
I wonder, is the copper acetate identical with the Green Lion?

No.
Here it is only a chemical composition. The greeness of the Green Lion is linked with a Sulfur and a presence of Mercury very specific, Alchemically prepared.

True Initiate
04-23-2015, 02:20 PM
Acetate path is what Salazius calls ersatz path. Ersatz means substitute in german. Acetic acid is a substitute for SM in this path. I never managed to reach conjuction in Lead Acetate Path, the ingredients always refused to combine.

Salazius
04-23-2015, 02:23 PM
That's right, yes, I call them like that.
One should not be fooled by the colour.

Everything that is green is not the green lion and everything that is red, is not the stone.

Andro
04-23-2015, 02:30 PM
Acetic acid is a substitute for SM in this path.

Yes, but did you use commercial acetic acid or concentrated wine vinegar/balsam?

Traditional balsams are left in specific conditions for even 50 years (12 years is the minimum for the Italian standard). Some SM surely finds its way in there, during all this time...

Andro
04-23-2015, 02:35 PM
Everything that is red, is not the stone.

Yeah :)

Otherwise I can just buy Fe2O3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron%28III%29_oxide) and live 200 years :)

True Initiate
04-23-2015, 03:29 PM
Yes, but did you use commercial acetic acid or concentrated wine vinegar/balsam?

I was using commercial acetic acid. In Heredom group there was secret doc given only to the initiates on how to extract metallic oils using commercial materials. Rubaphilos openly talks in a doc above so it will not hurt anybody to show you the secret doc.


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True Initiate
04-23-2015, 03:45 PM
You all have seen his work as described in classical texts:

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There was also a short cut for Acetate Path revealed in secret e-mails.

Now... a few final words, on tweaks: I believe the following things (some of this is tried, some just theory)

(1) the Salt should be made via the Aqua Regia way (its easiest, and the product is the best)
(2) It should be possible to use a Sulphur made in any way that metallic Sulphurs can be made. For example, just the basic acetate metal-oil way, without destructive distillation of an acetate by using just basic metal-oil extraction methods, you should obtain greater volumes and volume, with oil, is everything. My preference for further research is oil via citric (from iron). It produces huge amounts.
(3) the Mercury possibly could be just commercial acetone, but alternatives are... via the citric method (that also produces acetone, from a mineral/metal). IMO if you can eliminate the dry (destructive) distil, you are removing a huge messy stage.

Q: Would the acetone have to be distilled?

Yeah I think the commercial acetone would, but my preference would be the citric acetone... that should be distilled too.

B: The acetone evaporates at a low temp... commercial doesn't.

Commercial acetone is very 'gross' and wont volatize as much as 'hand made' acetone. Snap.

Z: We’re talking about that easy and fast method you alluded to last time - "using modern materials in a fraction of the time"

Yup.

P: After you distill the commercial acetone a number of times, it gets much more active.

The idea is... try to understand what is going on in the process. Convention says... the Stone gets its power from a magic bullet, so most conventional alchemists say... natural products are the only way to assure you include this magic bullet. My attitude to this is... bullshit.

The Stone gets its power from the Q-state. That is... the homogenization of the 3Ps into a new state of matter. This is the basic theory of my approach. My underlying motive for my argument is that 'generally' commercial chemicals should be ok. It’s not the chemicals themselves, but what happens to them when you homogenize them. If this concept is true, then we can cut out heaps of messy processes.

IMO all that matters is...
(1) a Mercury obtained from an organio-mineral process
(2) a conventional metallic oil
(3) a chemical Salt that is volatile

Since chemistry does not sell metalic oils, they have to be made, and I think that (to be honest) the entire trick is in the oil.

Z: They are tricky little buggers to make (in my experience..)

Well they are easy via citric. They are tricky via acetic if you use certain metals, but iron and copper are very easy to make oils from, and they are abundant (oil producers). So is lime. Calcium acetate flows like a fountain. So, there you have it. Now you know everything (virtually) I know.

The only thing missing are some small inconsequential details.

And... Z (and everyone else)...

I suggest you don’t post this log at Heredom.org. Because this is the most secret part of the discussion, and I think the fact that hardly anyone turned up for the most important talk is... significant.

Z: I can send it to just the participants here

This is the reason why i used commercial materials. I had this kind of a teacher!

thoth
04-23-2015, 09:21 PM
TI, thanks for the info and PDF & pics.
I have been planning on working on metal oils for the first time, but needed more info really before starting. Bartlett & other books just didnt have enough info.

True Initiate
04-24-2015, 03:54 AM
That's right, yes, I call them like that.
One should not be fooled by the colour.

Everything that is green is not the green lion and everything that is red, is not the stone.

We could turn this ersatz path into a bastard path with your knowledge. Androgynus have suggested 50 years of condensing SM in Vinegar. Sounds great to me, i cann't wait for 2065 to see the results.

Salazius
04-24-2015, 07:25 AM
Yes any ersatz can be turned into Bastard. :)
The key in order to "rise" the work is to :
1. modify your sulfur/oil
2. Supercharge your "mercury" in "mercury of the philosophers" and SM.
3. Know how to cook under a perfect condition for the coction to be accelerated.

Andro
04-24-2015, 07:53 AM
50 years of condensing SM in Vinegar. Sounds great to me, I can't wait for 2065 to see the results.

You can buy it already aged to 50+ years, but it will cost a few thousand Euros for a relatively small bottle.

The standard 12 years aging will cost much less. (Few hundreds for 100 ml)

pH is lower than 3.

Traditional Balsamic Vinegar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Balsamic_Vinegar)

Legend says, a royal from centuries ago paid many gold coins and horses for just a small (but very old) bottle, to be used for making a special medicine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Urbigerus used something similar as an acid booster for his Minor Opus...

True Initiate
04-24-2015, 08:13 AM
Yes any ersatz can be turned into Bastard. :)
The key in order to "rise" the work is to :
1. modify your sulfur/oil
2. Supercharge your "mercury" in "mercury of the philosophers" and SM.
3. Know how to cook under a perfect condition for the coction to be accelerated.

We need only to figure out those keys and how to apply them in practice. Now, where should we start? Maybe by looking deeply into ourselves and meditating for 50 years just in time for our vinegar to mature.



Legend says, a royal from centuries ago paid many gold coins and horses for just a small (but very old) bottle, to be used for making a special medicine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Urbigerus used something similar as an acid booster for his Minor Opus...
If i pay few thousand bucks for old vinegar and there happens to be no SM in it i will sue the moderators of this forum for giving me ill advice.

In Lead Acetate path if we substitute acetic acid with sulphuric acid and pour it on Lead oxide we will get some kind of electric battery. Can the electricity be our ersatz for SM? O relectricity along with magnetism is in fact the SM!

Andro
04-24-2015, 08:32 AM
If i pay few thousand bucks for old vinegar and there happens to be no SM in it I will sue the moderators of this forum for giving me ill advice.

Why do I get this feeling you're targeting me lately? I really hope I'm wrong and it's nothing more than tongue-in-cheek...

Besides, read the Disclaimer (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3017-Disclaimer&p=23198) :)

Back to topic, Canada Balsam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_balsam) is also expensive, but it apparently does the trick, but only if not mixed with Xylene, because it neutralizes its natural Acidum.

Andro
04-24-2015, 08:46 AM
if we substitute acetic acid with sulfuric acid

Personally, I'll take sulfuric in most cases, but not the commercial, even though it can also give interesting results.

Also because Sulfur has relatively more SM affinity, comparable to other matters.


Can the electricity be our ersatz for SM?

The Acidum is merely a catalyst for generating a subtle body for a (relatively weak) SM to incarnate, because SM has to be present anyway for this whole thing to truly work.

Otherwise it's just plain Spagyria.

More about this in a future thread I'm planning.


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True Initiate
04-24-2015, 09:04 AM
Relax, i am just making fun with you guys. Salazius have a knack of concealing his words carefully like the alchemists of old and i am willing to share the information openly without any concealment which sometimes gets me into trouble with certain groups who are claiming ownership to this material. You guys know my attitude towards the secret societies and how much respect i have for them.

I understand the concept of incarnating SM in certain fluids or bodies i am just pondering on what is actually SM? We heard from others that SM is a type of energy which the alchemists of old incarnated in their flask from above just like the magicians used to charge their magic wands and mirrors with it but in one such instance a magician used electric coil to charge his magic wand with SM. If modern electric coil can substitute the old methods for charging the magical instruments then by extension we could apply this modern method in Alchemy too.

Andro
04-24-2015, 01:07 PM
I understand the concept of incarnating SM in certain fluids or bodies.

See THIS (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3952-Real-Process-For-Practical-Alchemy&p=33973#post33973).

One quote from there:


The acids were exposed to sunlight to "solarize" them. Tiffereau complained that the French sun was not so effective as the Mexican.

True Initiate
04-24-2015, 01:43 PM
That means the acids absorbed the energy from the Sun and this energy is electro-magnetic waves. Salazius own words were:
"Ladder of manifestation. Waves, Plasma, Water/Oil, Salt"

The first state of matter is a wave, the next one is plasma which means electric plasma. Am i right? Is there an error in my understanding?

Andro
04-24-2015, 01:53 PM
The first state of matter is a wave, the next one is plasma which means electric plasma. Am i right? Is there an error in my understanding?

The First State is Thought ('Mind in motion'), but yes, we could call it wave if we want.

Plasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29) is already (by definition) ionized gas, so we don't need to add 'electric' to it.

I don't think there is any error in your understanding of this.

The completed fixed 'product' can be compared to 'Mind at rest'.

Kiorionis
04-24-2015, 04:20 PM
"Ladder of manifestation. Waves, Plasma, Water/Oil, Salt"

Plasma is already (by definition) ionized gas, so we don't need to add 'electric' to it.I would venture a guess and say Salazius didn't mean 'plasma' the way that modern students of physics define it. Maybe something more in line with blood/organic plasma?

True Initiate
04-25-2015, 03:09 AM
If the first manifestation of matter is wave then then next logical step is plasma which is one of the four fundamental states of matter as Androgynus correctly pointed out.

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Andro
04-25-2015, 05:35 AM
If the first manifestation of matter is wave then then next logical step is plasma which is one of the four fundamental states of matter as Androgynus correctly pointed out.

Yes, and the 'mystery' doesn't stop here. The plasma state, when 'harnessed' in certain ways, has unique properties allowing it to pierce the 'veil' (of Isis :)) or the 'fabric' of this knowable virtual reality and opening up access to the 'Center' or 'Source' that is hidden everywhere in-between, not bound to time/locality. To get really 'geeky', it could be compared to a Hacker Agent that opens a backdoor to the universal OS.

This may all sound 'scientific', but there's common science and there's Hermetic Science. I am of course talking about the latter. Scalar Physics hold some promise for the 'science' part of it...


I would venture a guess and say Salazius didn't mean 'plasma' the way that modern students of physics define it. Maybe something more in line with blood/organic plasma?

Mr. Kio - I'm talking about the plain common plasma state :). The 'mystery' lies less in this state itself and more in how it's harnessed/applied. A philosophical view of common phenomena is needed. But this conceptual model has been rigorously tested in a lab environment, with both natural and artificially generated plasma. The results have demonstrated an altering of common matter properties, in ways that are not explained by common chemistry.

This is of course strictly my personal perspective, but I've learned more about Alchemy and applied Hermetic Science from Luminaries like Tesla, Kozyrev, Reich, Reichenbach, Hieronymus, etc & from observing natural phenomena, more than I've learned from the labyrinth of 'classical' alchemical literature. The classics have their place, but they only reveal pieces of the puzzle. A more holistic approach is required ('Hermetic Vision') that is much more inclusive as well as revelation based, eventually. The 'revelation mode' begins to show when we start seeing the same thing in all things that appear different.

OK, I'm way off topic now... If it bothers someone, please say so and another moderator can re-arrange it...

But to get at least a little back to the topic, I'll say that the Base is the Mirror (& fixer) of the Acidum Principle, just like the Moon is the Mirror/fixer of the Sun.

In this reflective 'Clash of Oppo-Sames', where the Eye has an opportunity to face/fuck itself, a third ('new') thing is born.
It is not an older/pre-existing (fixed) thing that gets 'sublimed'. It is a new & virgin vehicle/salt body for 'Our Substance'.

Here, we can see all the parallels between the solar/lunar works, the acetate works, the Ormus works, Full Moon harvesting, etc...

Quoth Fulcanelli:


The simplest alchemical procedure consists in utilizing the effect of violent reactions --- those of acids on the bases --- to provoke in the midst of the effervescence the reunion of pure parts, their new arrangement being irreducible.This quote may also be helpful for those interested in hints about the nature of the 'ingredients' in the Fulcanelli 'Dry Way', although he is a bit vague about the New Body that emerges from this dance and about other details as well. The same laws apply to the Ormus people and their pH dance. For this, 'The Golden Chain of Homer' once more proves itself fundamentally essential & invaluable...

Is anyone still here? :)


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Kiorionis
04-25-2015, 12:18 PM
Mr. Kio - I'm talking about the plain common plasma state :). The 'mystery' lies less in this state itself and more in how it's harnessed/applied. A philosophical view of common phenomena is needed. But this conceptual model has been rigorously tested in a lab environment, with both natural and artificially generated plasma. The results have demonstrated an altering of common matter properties, in ways that are not explained by common chemistry.

I was unaware of plasmas being able to alter material properties. Interesting, thanks for elaborating. :)

JDP
04-26-2015, 12:27 AM
Y

Quoth Fulcanelli:

Fulcanelli here actually says "archemical", not "alchemical". He makes a clear distinction between the two sciences/arts. For Fulcanelli "archemy/voarchadumia/spagyrics" is a science/art that achieves some transmutations using its own techniques/processes (the so-called particulars of chymical literature), while "alchemy" is solely concerned with the Philosophers' Stone, which "archemy/voarchadumia/spagyrics" does not know how to make.

Andro
04-26-2015, 03:51 AM
The Acid & Alkali Principles (or 'Sun' & 'Moon', as per above) and their hermetically sealed 'catholic marriage' ('till death/reincrudation do us part') to give birth to the 'Materia Prima' are discussed in 'The Golden Chain'. They're not always necessarily found directly in corporeal form ('embodied'). But one can 'fix' the other.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab172/androgynus_album/GoldenChain02_zps1qm1jlie.jpg

Regardless of the level/plane (spagyria, archemy, alchemy, magick, etc) - the same Laws/Causes apply.

Hermetic Philosophy is a Study of Causes, and the practical work verifies their Effects on the various planes.


The 'revelation mode' begins to show when we start seeing the same thing in all things that appear different.------------------------------------------------------