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ghetto alchemist
05-07-2015, 09:50 PM
Hi Folks,

A couple of years ago now I invested in a bit of research in the mysterious man known as the Count of Saint Germain, on account of the fact that he was a well known historical figure that knew how to make the mercury of the philosophers and who almost certainly had consumed the philosophers stone.

Many people reported that they found it odd that the Count never consumed food in the presence of other people but that he could only ever be seen drinking wine.

I did read somewhere (can´t remember where) that the Count had foreknowledge of the then approaching French Revolution and that he had fled France before it happened, urging other nobles to do the same.

Later in New Orleans there is an account of a man arriving who very much matches the descriptions of the Count, throwing parties and trying to impress everyone, but not eating anything, only drinking his red wine.
Somehow this man ended up being a part of a murder investigation and fled, the police searched his house and discovered that the bottles of wine in his house were actually a mixture of red wine and blood. (unfortunately I cant reference this source because I lost it)

At the time I discovered this, I did ponder that whether the mythology we have been handed down about vampires is in fact the physical characteristics on a person after taking the philosophers stone.
Eg maintaining a youthful appearance, never grow old or get sick, extremely difficult to kill.

I wondered about the other mythology of vampires...
Eg: drink blood, unable to go in sunlight.

I had resigned myself at the time to never be able to answer this question due to lack of access to anyone having taken the stone in modern times.

However, thanks to Crestind, in THIS (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?854-Nitrate&p=37701#post37701) thread, we have a link to THIS (http://www.themasonictrowel.com/ebooks/alchemy/Boag_-_Stories_of_Alchemical_Transmutation.pdf) document, which tells us of the physical effect on a man who took the stone. And the knowledge was acquired through recent personal contact.

Tafkap says that the author W. Fra. Greg Boag is Rubaphilos Salfluěre.

Does anyone know how to contact this man Rubaphilos Salfluěre?

If so would anyone like to ask him what Jerel said about food or sunlight (if anything at all)?

Dev maybe you can get him as a guest on Natural Born Alchemist and ask him directly....

Regards
GA

Awani
05-07-2015, 10:03 PM
Dev maybe you can get him as a guest on Natural Born Alchemist and ask him directly....

Sure, why not...

forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?456-Comte-de-Saint-Germain (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?456-Comte-de-Saint-Germain)

Although I don't think vampirism is a physical effect. Eating food makes you age, so if you can abstain (feed of energy/air etc) then you will age less... also alcohol dries up the skin. So if you abstain from wine/beer then you will also appear younger. I have studied the Count at some length a few years ago, and my conclusion is that he/it has no relation to vampirism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHEItvqF-tg

The Philosopher's Stone, IMO, does not give a person physical eternal life.

:cool:

Salazius
05-08-2015, 10:31 AM
Rubaphilos is on facebook.

Concerning the caracteristics of "a vampire" and an acheived "philosopher", the rules are pretty the same, but the source of the fuel/Power/life Force is not the same.

The Vampire nourishes himself only through an horizontal source, i;e, persons, animals sometime, to the contrary, the Alchemist/Adept, is linked to a vertical source, the universal life force fountain itself.

So yes, there is a link between them in the effects, but the cause is different.

Redemption of the soul, or loosing it. Going upward, or going downward.

ghetto alchemist
05-10-2015, 08:40 AM
Thanks for the info that he is on facebook Salazius, much appreciated.

And dev, your little cartoon made me laugh.

Please if you can Dev, try to get Rubaphilos on NBA in the future. That´s the best way I reckon.
But...err.....just ask him if Jerel reported any change in what he ate, desired to eat.... etc.
maybe we can leave out the stuff about vampires :|

Thanks :)
GA

crestind
05-10-2015, 11:33 PM
What bugs me about this Jerel story is that apparently nobody else experienced the same effects. I remember Mr. Joshua Gulick telling me a story about some Aussie group that allegedly had this magical stone they ate after prolonged mental training, and it'd heat their bodies up so much they needed to take ice baths, and that they'd never fall asleep again, so I wonder if he was actually thinking about this Jerel guy. No mention of a "group" though.

Awani
05-10-2015, 11:46 PM
He said yes regarding podcast... but what is your question exactly?

:cool:

ghetto alchemist
05-11-2015, 01:18 AM
He said yes regarding podcast... but what is your question exactly?

:cool:

First ask Rubaphilos whether he has ever corresponded with Jerel, if he says yes, then ask him if Jerel gave him any other details not written in the article (give him an open question first).

Just try to get as much detail as you can about what Jerel reported to him.
Leave the direct question about any reported change in diet or change in desire for food till last.

That will be enough for me :)
There must be a hundred questions you could ask a guest of this calibre, I leave the rest to you.


@crestind: I remember N_D_C published a series of emails that he received from a self proclaimed adept named Sergio, Sergio´s report about the first night sleeping after taking the stone has some parallel with Jerel´s account. Sergio was a god fearing man though...he described an experience from meeting a higher intelligence of some sort, he said not to look at ¨him¨ directly, but you have the right to ask anything that you desire. And Sergio said that he had asked for knowledge, but didnt elaborate any further. So, for me Jerel´s account already passed the litmus test for being a consistant and genuine sounding account.

crestind
05-11-2015, 03:15 AM
That's a good point, now that you bring that one up.

Link here for people, just in case:

http://www.illuminated-alchemists.co...phical-mercury (http://www.illuminated-alchemists.com/t4-the-glowing-white-philosophical-mercury)

- Philosopher´s gold = If I had to guess, I'd say this is some mercury compound, probably doesn't matter. Mercury sublimate would probably work. Guy says one of the metals is used in the dental industry. But generally it's a mix of mercury, silver, tin and copper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam_%28dentistry%29. Not really sure.

- Calcined Arcanum Duplicatum (with coal) = Common Potassium Carbonate? Sounds like Glauber's way to make "fixed nitre", which is just potassium carbonate made by heating potassium nitrate with coal. I suppose the product would be the same if done with potassium sulfate, which is allegedly what arcanum duplicatum is.

- Distilled Water

- Butter of Antimony = Obvious

- Spiritus Vini

- Love, Faith and patience.

Anyways, we could probably start a new thread to decipher Sergio's wall of text.

________________________________________

Continued on new spin-off thread: Sergio Method (http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4400-Sergio-Method).

Awani
06-03-2015, 10:16 PM
First ask Rubaphilos whether he has ever corresponded with Jerel, if he says yes, then ask him if Jerel gave him any other details not written in the article (give him an open question first).

Just try to get as much detail as you can about what Jerel reported to him.
Leave the direct question about any reported change in diet or change in desire for food till last.

That will be enough for me :)
There must be a hundred questions you could ask a guest of this calibre, I leave the rest to you

Need more I am afraid. Who is this Jerel?

:cool:

Awani
06-05-2015, 05:31 PM
Doing it next week so if anyone has any more suggestions of questions? Nothing too detailed and advanced (like recipes). Just general what would be interesting to talk with this guy about...

:cool:

Andro
06-05-2015, 05:55 PM
Ghetto Alchemist seems to be quite knowledgeable about what would be the best questions to ask him, so maybe you two can Skype/email/PM and take notes on the most relevant topics to discuss in the upcoming podcast? That could minimize guesswork IMO, and maybe also bring more benefit to Alchemy Forums Members who are interested in this.

Awani
06-05-2015, 11:47 PM
Many people reported that they found it odd that the Count never consumed food in the presence of other people but that he could only ever be seen drinking wine.

According to what I have read the Count could stop his body clock while sleeping/meditating and this is how he could avoid food.

:cool:

Awani
09-26-2015, 06:35 PM
Dev maybe you can get him as a guest on Natural Born Alchemist and ask him directly....

Finally you can all enjoy the episode that was the result of the above statement.

Thanks to ghetto alchemist for help with some of the questions.

Episode 41: rubaphilos salfluére (http://www.naturalbornalchemist.com/episodes/2015/9/26/episode-41-rubaphilos-salfluere)

:cool:

zoas23
10-01-2015, 05:52 AM
Later in New Orleans there is an account of a man arriving who very much matches the descriptions of the Count, throwing parties and trying to impress everyone, but not eating anything, only drinking his red wine.
Somehow this man ended up being a part of a murder investigation and fled, the police searched his house and discovered that the bottles of wine in his house were actually a mixture of red wine and blood. (unfortunately I cant reference this source because I lost it)

Taking a very different view from the view that evolved in this thread...

I knew nothing about this event, but it may be real.

The "myth" (or history, depending on your view) of Backstrom's Blood Path is that Saint-Germain initiated the Comte Louis de Chazal and gave him the secrets of the Blood Path... and Chazal initiated S. Backstrom and did the same... and then the Blood Path got mostly linked to him (I mean, most people calls it "Backstrom's blood path").

So the story, even without knowing if it is real, makes sense... if someone had searched the house of S. Germain, Chazal or Backstrom... it would have been likely that bottles with blood could be found there, since the blood path uses "literal" and non-metaphoric blood.

I do believe that this is the "real" part of the story.

As for the "vamp" side of it... I do have my doubts and I believe it's probably a glamorous or "decorated" version about the blood path, that supposedly comes from S. Germain.

That's my theory.

Backstrom never mentioned that he didn't eat food... he did not suggest to do such thing either.

Peter Barnes
12-26-2015, 02:43 PM
I read that he ate porridge only, I didn't read about blood, if so what kind of blood would it be? His own blood, virgins blood? Menstrual blood (hopefully not)? I have never heard of the Backstrom blood path before.

Andro
12-26-2015, 03:24 PM
I have never heard of the Bacstrom blood path before.

Bacstrom's Rosicrucian Aphorisms and Process: http://www.levity.com/alchemy/bacsproc.html (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/bacsproc.html)

Peter Barnes
12-26-2015, 07:01 PM
Androgynus - thanks for the link and the correction in my spelling. I read the method and was eager to try it until it got to the Mercury bit, I wonder has anybody tried this experiment? How does one obtain blood from a healthy young man anyway?

Andro
12-26-2015, 07:32 PM
until it got to the Mercury bit

I suspect it's not Hg (vulgar Mercury) that the text is hinting at. Bacstrom was never fully initiated. (he was a ship doctor and had to sail before his initiation was complete)


How does one obtain blood from a healthy young man anyway?

Get a nurse...

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/female-nurse-holding-up-blood-sample-7766348.jpg

Or go the traditional way :)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fXzB2Am9rz8/VRBA-05ph9I/AAAAAAAAgJg/erX6leblxE4/s1600/interview-with-the-vampire-157.jpg

Peter Barnes
12-26-2015, 08:05 PM
LOL ... Thanks I don't want to suck some young man's neck! That nurse looked okay ... or may'be not, but I'd also need a young man too right? I mean could I use my own blood as I am 48yrs of age, or does the experiment if I am not mistaken refer to taking the blood of a young man in good health, thanks for your pics they are funny. What could the Mercury be referring to I wonder?